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"Jason Gastrich" |
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16 Feb 2004 02:44:03 AM |
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No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and avoid using
the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my Ph.D. degree in 2005.
Even though I have received an honorary Th.D. degree from a Bible college
that has been authorized to grant such degrees, I feel it is in the best
interest of many if I stopped using it for now.
Numerous unbelievers have been far too caught up in my title than
considering Jesus Christ. It has been disheartening to see so many people
ignore my Bible-based words and reject the Creator while calling me "fake
Dr." and related things.
It is my pleasure to remove this burden of stumbling from you. Far be it
from me to keep you from Christ and considering God's Son's sacrifice for
you on the cross.
God bless,
Jason
--
The Awesome, Saving Gospel of God
http://gospel.jcsm.org
Are you saved? Read the gospel and make sure!
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 03:32:11 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and avoid using
the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I be
able to obtain a copy?
Even though I have received an honorary Th.D. degree from a Bible college
that has been authorized to grant such degrees, I feel it is in the best
interest of many if I stopped using it for now.
Numerous unbelievers have been far too caught up in my title than
considering Jesus Christ. It has been disheartening to see so many people
ignore my Bible-based words and reject the Creator while calling me "fake
Dr." and related things.
It is my pleasure to remove this burden of stumbling from you. Far be it
from me to keep you from Christ and considering God's Son's sacrifice for
you on the cross.
Well done that man.
You may be interested to know that the correct style for an honorary
Th.D is "Th.D. (h.c.)". Personally I don't think anyone would quibble
if you signed yourself "Jason Gastrich Th.D (hc)".
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 01:58:33 PM |
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"Michael Bragg" <rightshu@bohr.cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9491897DD95E9rightshubohrcoxnet@68.12.19.6...
(snip)
| To find out that he won't be defending his work? Typical. Even better,
| I just noticed the post where he announced that he'd be either using work
| from before his candidacy, or cobbling together some crap on fasting
| (specifically what, he didn't say) for his dissertation.
(snip)
Its possible he published the "skeptics annotated bible corrected and
explained" (sic) during his doctoral candidacy. That said, I don't believe
that should qualify as a dissertation.
And how will the defense go (if there is a defense)?
Dissertation Committee (in unison): "Wow you answered all those heathen
questions in the 'skeptics annotated bible'!"
Gastrich: "Why yes I did."
Dissertation Advisor: "Pass!"
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
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| User: "Bobby D. Bryant" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 03:50:08 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:32:11 +0000, Therion Ware wrote:
You may be interested to know that the correct style for an honorary
Th.D is "Th.D. (h.c.)". Personally I don't think anyone would quibble if
you signed yourself "Jason Gastrich Th.D (hc)".
Right. What irritates people is the dishonesty of posturing as an
authority on something when you aren't. Inflating or misrepresenting
degrees earned is a common way of doing that, but not the only one.
What I find funny is how important academic credentials for an evolution
denier seem to be to the creationist community, when they turn around and
ignore the *thousands* of people with perfectly good credentials who are
telling them that evolution is for real.
(Yeah, it's actually about who has the evidence rather than who has the
sheepskins, but I find that bit of cognitive dissonance amusing, or
sometimes more than a bit annoying.)
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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| User: "Nullifidian" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
17 Feb 2004 10:16:47 AM |
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in
news:pan.2004.02.16.09.53.10.843170@mail.utexas.edu:
(Yeah, it's actually about who has the evidence rather than who has the
sheepskins, but I find that bit of cognitive dissonance amusing, or
sometimes more than a bit annoying.)
Personally, I thought it might be due to the fact that defenders of
evolution don't often have doctorates from diploma mills, whereas this
sort of doctorate is common among the creationists. Therefore, I decided
to apply and accept a degree from By Bayou University, but the
creationists still don't listen to what I have to say.
Perhaps they'd listen if I got another doctorate, this time from the
University of Ediacara?
Naaaaahhhhhh....
--
Nullifidian, a.a. #1774 (Remove NO SPAM to e-mail me.)
Member of the EAC Scientific Priesthood Division (Biology Dept.)
"If you have seen me cross myself, it was to Science, Art and Nature."
- Bela Bartok
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| User: "stew dean" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 11:18:59 AM |
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.02.16.09.53.10.843170@mail.utexas.edu>...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:32:11 +0000, Therion Ware wrote:
You may be interested to know that the correct style for an honorary
Th.D is "Th.D. (h.c.)". Personally I don't think anyone would quibble if
you signed yourself "Jason Gastrich Th.D (hc)".
Right. What irritates people is the dishonesty of posturing as an
authority on something when you aren't. Inflating or misrepresenting
degrees earned is a common way of doing that, but not the only one.
What I find funny is how important academic credentials for an evolution
denier seem to be to the creationist community, when they turn around and
ignore the *thousands* of people with perfectly good credentials who are
telling them that evolution is for real.
Appeals to authority - never good. Many of the readers here have
academic qualifications but do not use them as any leverage for their
argument.
I personaly don't put my degree after my name (think I've done it once
for ironic value).
Occasionaly I've seen it used in defence when someone claims 'you
don't know nothing' but that is in the realm of personal attack as
well we know.
Stew Dean
(Yeah, it's actually about who has the evidence rather than who has the
sheepskins, but I find that bit of cognitive dissonance amusing, or
sometimes more than a bit annoying.)
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 03:54:05 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and avoid
using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my Ph.D.
degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I be
able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I suppose I
could scan it or scan a transcript.
Even though I have received an honorary Th.D. degree from a Bible
college that has been authorized to grant such degrees, I feel it is
in the best interest of many if I stopped using it for now.
Numerous unbelievers have been far too caught up in my title than
considering Jesus Christ. It has been disheartening to see so many
people ignore my Bible-based words and reject the Creator while
calling me "fake Dr." and related things.
It is my pleasure to remove this burden of stumbling from you. Far
be it from me to keep you from Christ and considering God's Son's
sacrifice for you on the cross.
Well done that man.
You may be interested to know that the correct style for an honorary
Th.D is "Th.D. (h.c.)". Personally I don't think anyone would quibble
if you signed yourself "Jason Gastrich Th.D (hc)".
Hmm. Don't underestimate quibblers. ; )
JG
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 04:39:18 AM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and avoid
using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my Ph.D.
degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I be
able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I suppose I
could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
Even though I have received an honorary Th.D. degree from a Bible
college that has been authorized to grant such degrees, I feel it is
in the best interest of many if I stopped using it for now.
Numerous unbelievers have been far too caught up in my title than
considering Jesus Christ. It has been disheartening to see so many
people ignore my Bible-based words and reject the Creator while
calling me "fake Dr." and related things.
It is my pleasure to remove this burden of stumbling from you. Far
be it from me to keep you from Christ and considering God's Son's
sacrifice for you on the cross.
Well done that man.
You may be interested to know that the correct style for an honorary
Th.D is "Th.D. (h.c.)". Personally I don't think anyone would quibble
if you signed yourself "Jason Gastrich Th.D (hc)".
Hmm. Don't underestimate quibblers. ; )
Oh, I rarely do!
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 04:52:13 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in May of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may write
my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
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| User: "Frank Reichenbacher" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 01:00:13 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com...
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in May
of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I
might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've
been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may
write
my dissertation on fasting.
A dissertation should not ever consist of materials published or developed
prior to the student's participation in the graduate school advanced degree
program.
If this is an indication of the rigor or your university's standards, then I
may still decline to address ou as a "doctor" even if you should receive the
diploma.
I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
I can't wait to hear what the "thesis" would be.
Frank
Sincerely,
Jason
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 04:37:34 PM |
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"Frank Reichenbacher" <vesuvius@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:beydndSBFoJ5jqzdRVn-ug@speakeasy.net...
"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com...
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May
of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I
might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've
been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest
edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may
write
my dissertation on fasting.
A dissertation should not ever consist of materials published or developed
prior to the student's participation in the graduate school advanced
degree
program.
Absolutely correct. The standard is that it has to be work done in
residence, under academic supervision. In part, this is to ensure that the
work is really the candidate's and not a "ghost writer". It also has to be
an original contribution to research, not just a review or synthesis of work
done by others.
If this is an indication of the rigor or your university's standards, then
I
may still decline to address ou as a "doctor" even if you should receive
the
diploma.
It sounds awfully easy, not at all like the long hard pull in hard science
that I went through or that I put my students through.
I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
I can't wait to hear what the "thesis" would be.
Frank
Ditto.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Littleboy" |
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| Title: Re: No More "Dr." Gastrich Until 2005 |
16 Feb 2004 01:12:09 PM |
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In article <beydndSBFoJ5jqzdRVn-ug@speakeasy.net>,
vesuvius@speakeasy.net says...
"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com...
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in May
of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I
might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've
been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may
write
my dissertation on fasting.
A dissertation should not ever consist of materials published or developed
prior to the student's participation in the graduate school advanced degree
program.
If this is an indication of the rigor or your university's standards, then I
may still decline to address ou as a "doctor" even if you should receive the
diploma.
I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
I can't wait to hear what the "thesis" would be.
Frank
Sincerely,
Jason
Or what it would be used for on day 41.
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| User: "dave e" |
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17 Feb 2004 01:55:53 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message news:<7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com>...
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in May of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may write
my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
The best research begins with a good research question. By knowing
your question in advance, you can choose only the most appropriate
methods to answer that question. Rather than start out saying, "I'm
going to starve myself for 40 days", ask the question first. Maybe
you can come up with a better way of answering that question which
doesn't require extreme self-deprivation. Or maybe you'll find that
you do need to starve yourself, but in order to accurately control
your findings, you also need to recruit a team of undergraduate
volunteers to starve themselves along with you.
By knowing your question in advance, you can also plan to conduct the
necessary experiments during your period of self deprivation.
Wouldn't it suck to starve yourself for fourty days, only to have your
graduate advisor say "Jason, you should have monitored your blood
selenium levels during your fast. Go back and do it again."
Off the top of my head, I can already think of a number of interesting
research projects related to fasting, but they will all require
careful planning and controls.
"Comparing weight loss of fasting Christians, with those of fasting
non-Christians"
"Comparing halucinatory experiences of fasting Biblical literalists,
with those who profess a non-literal Biblical interpretation."
Dave
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| User: "Yang" |
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17 Feb 2004 02:49:58 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:55:53 +0000 (UTC), (dave
e) wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message news:<7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com>...
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in May of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may write
my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
The best research begins with a good research question.
Since he already knows his reasearch answer, why bother asking any
questions at all?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -542 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "harvest dancer" |
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16 Feb 2004 09:26:57 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message news:<7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com>...
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in May of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may write
my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
I wonder if the work on your dissertation will cause you to actually
learn about your own religion. I've been to your website, and I, a
PAGAN, noticed errors. It's not even my faith and I noticed errors.
Jason
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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17 Feb 2004 02:51:24 AM |
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Użytkownik "harvest dancer" <harvestdancer@hotmail.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:4f697f9f.0402161929.735ae4b@posting.google.com...
"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:<7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com>...
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I
might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've
been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest
edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may
write
my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
I wonder if the work on your dissertation will cause you to actually
learn about your own religion. I've been to your website, and I, a
PAGAN, noticed errors. It's not even my faith and I noticed errors.
Jason
If it's the absence of rhyming couplets you're worried about, don't be.
Our religion doesn't need to do that.
Uncle Davey
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17 Feb 2004 09:39:17 AM |
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message news:<c0skrr$kq2$0@pita.alt.net>...
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"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've
been given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest
edition of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and
meets my university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire,
I may write my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day fasts and
feel I can contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base
(we can't exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
I wonder if the work on your dissertation will cause you to actually
learn about your own religion. I've been to your website, and I, a
PAGAN, noticed errors. It's not even my faith and I noticed errors.
Jason
If it's the absence of rhyming couplets you're worried about, don't be.
Our religion doesn't need to do that.
Uncle Davey
Uh-huh. And that has what exactly to do with what I wrote?
Jason
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17 Feb 2004 10:11:49 AM |
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Użytkownik "harvest dancer" <harvestdancer@hotmail.com> napisał w wiadomości
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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Użytkownik "harvest dancer" <harvestdancer@hotmail.com> napisał w
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"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said,
directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where
will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva
would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate
in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more
to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
I've
been given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the
newest
edition of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long
and
meets my university's standards. However, if I have the time and
desire,
I may write my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day
fasts and
feel I can contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge
base
(we can't exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this
discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
I wonder if the work on your dissertation will cause you to actually
learn about your own religion. I've been to your website, and I, a
PAGAN, noticed errors. It's not even my faith and I noticed errors.
Jason
If it's the absence of rhyming couplets you're worried about, don't be.
Our religion doesn't need to do that.
Uncle Davey
Uh-huh. And that has what exactly to do with what I wrote?
Jason
What are these 'errors' you've discovered there, then?
Uncle Davey
--
"To my mind, Davey, you are the most mischievous and dangerous kind of
Creationist. ... You even know the holes in the knowledge of the study of
language, and you can use the terminology to great effect. People ...
seeing
your essay, would likely fall for it hook, line and sinker. Because it
mixes fact
and myth so very well, you give it an air of plausibility."
Aaron Clausen (02/02/2004)
Read some more on www.usenetposts.com
Play me at halma, reversi, backgammon and other games on
www.itsyourturn.com user name = "Uncle Davey"
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17 Feb 2004 03:03:28 AM |
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Uncle Davey wrote:
Użytkownik "harvest dancer" <harvestdancer@hotmail.com> napisał w
wiadomości news:4f697f9f.0402161929.735ae4b@posting.google.com...
"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:<7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com>...
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where
will I be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva
would be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate
in May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several
more to go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
I've been given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of
the newest edition of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400
pages long and meets my university's standards. However, if I have
the time and desire, I may write my dissertation on fasting. I
have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can contribute something new
and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't exactly call it the
"field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
I wonder if the work on your dissertation will cause you to actually
learn about your own religion. I've been to your website, and I, a
PAGAN, noticed errors. It's not even my faith and I noticed errors.
Jason
If it's the absence of rhyming couplets you're worried about, don't
be.
Our religion doesn't need to do that.
Uncle Davey
Hi Jason,
Thanks for your concern. Please email the errors to and
they will be investigated, immediately.
Jason
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17 Feb 2004 04:39:44 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message news:<FPkYb.5744$_g.47@twister.socal.rr.com>...
Uncle Davey wrote:
Użytkownik "harvest dancer" <harvestdancer@hotmail.com> napisał w
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"Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:<7k1Yb.4064$Le2.3303@twister.socal.rr.com>...
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where
will I be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva
would be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate
in May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several
more to go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
I've been given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of
the newest edition of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400
pages long and meets my university's standards. However, if I have
the time and desire, I may write my dissertation on fasting. I
have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can contribute something new
and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't exactly call it the
"field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
I wonder if the work on your dissertation will cause you to actually
learn about your own religion. I've been to your website, and I, a
PAGAN, noticed errors. It's not even my faith and I noticed errors.
Jason
If it's the absence of rhyming couplets you're worried about, don't
be.
Our religion doesn't need to do that.
Uncle Davey
Hi Jason,
Thanks for your concern. Please email the errors to and
they will be investigated, immediately.
Jason
Have you ever been to a Lutheran service? An Anglican service? A
Greek Orthodox (or other Orthodox) service? Or, for real fun, find a
Coptic service.
Jason
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20 Feb 2004 12:41:14 PM |
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In article <c14ifp$9q2$8@pita.alt.net>, Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com>
writes
Science doesn't, but still uses terms as if it does.
No, it does not.
So what's all that class and order and empire all about?
I thought you claimed to be a linguist. I have difficulty imagining a
linguist innocently committing the etymological fallacy.
--
alias Ernest Major
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16 Feb 2004 01:40:12 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:44:03 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Jason
Gastrich ("Jason Gastrich" <newsgroups@jcsm.org>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
Hi everyone,
No, I'm not leaving usenet. I've decided to humble myself and
avoid using the title "Dr." on my usenet posts until I earn my
Ph.D. degree in 2005.
I'll be interested to read it if and when you qualify. Where will I
be able to obtain a copy?
When you say "it," what are you referring to? My diploma? I
suppose I could scan it or scan a transcript.
A copy of your dissertation, of course. And a tape of the viva would
be interesting too!
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in May of
2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to go. I might
make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation. I've been
given permission to submit the Old Testament portion of the newest edition
of my book for my dissertation. It is over 400 pages long and meets my
university's standards. However, if I have the time and desire, I may write
my dissertation on fasting. I have done two 40 day fasts and feel I can
contribute something new and interesting to the knowledge base (we can't
exactly call it the "field" of fasting) of this discipline.
Sincerely,
Jason
Jason,
On the off chance that you might read this, I offer two comments.
First, I appreciate your pledge to refrain from using "Dr."
until you have an earned doctorate. Personally, I'd have been
satisfied if you styled yourself "Jason Gastrich, ThD (h.c.).
But I support your decision not to appear to have claimed an
honorary degree as perhaps more than it is.
Second, as to your dissertation topic, according to you, your
ThD from Sheperd was given in large part because of your book.
Since the doctoral dissertation is traditionally written on
original research, and is in part to show how your _doctoral_
studies have broadened and deepened your scholarship, ISTM that
you would do well to write it on something else. Something that
you do an exhaustive study on, and that is a new contribution to
the scholarship in your field.
If I were you, I'd think less of a specific graduation date, and
more about what you should be learning in your doctoral program.
In ten years, the time issue will mean little or nothing, while
the value of a well-done dissertation will continue to reap
benefits for you and your associates.
Tom McDonald
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16 Feb 2004 11:06:05 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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16 Feb 2004 11:14:49 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.02.17.05.09.22.375006@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkind.id.au www.wilkins.id.au
It is not enough to succeed. Friends must be seen to have failed.
Truman Capote
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18 Feb 2004 09:11:45 AM |
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"John Wilkins" <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> wrote in message
news:wilkins-AA94F0.16170417022004@news.fu-berlin.de...
In article <pan.2004.02.17.05.09.22.375006@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkind.id.au www.wilkins.id.au
It is not enough to succeed. Friends must be seen to have failed.
Truman Capote
It's easier to do the research and draw conclusions when you have an inside
track with the Most High.
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17 Feb 2004 04:10:20 PM |
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John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> wrote in message news:<wilkins-AA94F0.16170417022004@news.fu-berlin.de>...
In article <pan.2004.02.17.05.09.22.375006@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
If you sorted your T.O. posts by topic and thought of a few good
titles you could have as many PhD's as Jason gets.
BTW, did I mention that I am self-authorized to confer degrees of this
ilk? Of course, the more $10 words in your dissertation, the higher
the "tuition" fees.
--
Greg G.
The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own
good, in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others
of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it. --John Stuart Mill
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24 Feb 2004 06:26:56 PM |
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Greg G wrote:
John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> wrote in message news:<wilkins-AA94F0.16170417022004@news.fu-berlin.de>...
In article <pan.2004.02.17.05.09.22.375006@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
If you sorted your T.O. posts by topic and thought of a few good
titles you could have as many PhD's as Jason gets.
BTW, did I mention that I am self-authorized to confer degrees of this
ilk? Of course, the more $10 words in your dissertation, the higher
the "tuition" fees.
<searching through pockets>
What can I get for $1.32 ?
Wait -- I found a nickel on the floor.
$1.37 ?
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"There are no loose threads in the web of life"
Creation "Science" Debunked:
http://www.geocities.com/lflank
DebunkCreation Email list:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/DebunkCreation
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16 Feb 2004 11:26:52 PM |
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John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> wrote:
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
Yer just jealous.
Sue
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"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
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17 Feb 2004 12:16:11 AM |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 05:14:49 +0000 (UTC),
John Wilkins <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> wrote:
In article <pan.2004.02.17.05.09.22.375006@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
He has the benefit that he can simply give himself a doctorate whenever he
pleases. Why, he'll probably have a dozen while simple ol' you wanders
about with one.
--
Aaron Clausen
tao_of_cow/\alberni.net (replace /\ with @)
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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17 Feb 2004 02:52:50 AM |
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Użytkownik "John Wilkins" <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> napisał w wiadomości
news:wilkins-AA94F0.16170417022004@news.fu-berlin.de...
In article <pan.2004.02.17.05.09.22.375006@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
Is the result on-line anywhere? I'd love to see what you spent 7 years of
your life on.
Uncle Davey
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17 Feb 2004 05:46:13 AM |
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Uncle Davey <noway@jose.com> wrote:
Użytkownik "John Wilkins" <wilkins@wehi.edu.au> napisa" w wiadomości
news:wilkins-AA94F0.16170417022004@news.fu-berlin.de...
In article <pan.2004.02.17.05.09.22.375006@mail.utexas.edu>,
"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbryant@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:52:13 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
It will be a stretch to finish by April of 2005, so I can graduate in
May of 2005. I'm working hard on my courses and have several more to
go. I might make it, though.
I've been considering a few different ideas for my dissertation.
Going to finish a dissertation in a year, and don't even know what the
general subject is yet?
Took me 7 years, and I knew at the start what mine was about. That Jason
must be some thinker and researcher...
Is the result on-line anywhere? I'd love to see what you spent 7 years of
your life on.
Uncle Davey
No, it is not finally submitted all bound and everything (although both
examiners approved it even without the typographical amendments), and
then I hope to publish it as a book - I have a proposal out to one
already. Publishers don't like to republish stuff that is online. But
here's a potted summary:
The origins of species concepts
Abstract
The longstanding species problem in biology has a history that suggests
a solution, and that history is not the received history found in many
texts written by biologists or philosophers. The notion of species as
the division into subordinate groups of any generic predicate was the
staple of logic from Aristotle through the middle ages until quite
recently. However, the biological species concept during the same period
was at first subtly and then overtly different. Unlike the logic sense,
which relied on definitions of the essence of both genus and species,
biological species from the time of Epicurus were consistently
considered to involve a reproductive element: in short, living species
relied not on essential definitions, but on the generative cause, which
might not be definable. I term this the _generative conception of
species_: species were the generation of similar form. This undercuts
the notion of species before Darwin being essentialist, and divorces the
notion of a _type_ being identical to an essence. In fact, as late as
the end of the nineteenth century, logicians explicitly treated
biological "species" as a mere homonym of essentialist species, and
permitted considerable deviation from the type or form. At every point,
species in logic were thought to be a subset, in effect, of some more
general set. I sketch a history of both traditions, philosophical and
biological, of the species concept, before turning to the current
conceptions.
Of the many touted biological species concepts, only one of which is
called the Biological Species Concept, none appears to capture all the
relevant facts, intuitions, and operational requirements of biology.
Cladistic conceptions, however, have much in common with the older
philosophical literature, in that the _natural group_ of cladism is the
clade, or monophyletic group. I argue that species are most particular
terminal taxa in a clade, and that they are "defined" in terms of the
particular synapomorphies, or evolved characters, that are causally
responsible for keeping the lineages that organisms form distinct from
one another. In this way, we can remain within the generative conception
of species that has been in play for over two millennia, and yet avoid
the pitfalls of prior attempts to find a universal conception of
species.
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There's a lot more. For example, in my paper in _Biology and Philosophy_
I explicate the logic of the last two sentences in 9000+ words and
citations. But the rest of the thesis is a blow by blow history of the
philosophical tradition, and then and in parallel, the biological
tradition. Nobody has done that before.
Thanks for asking. At my previous Uni they sold T-shirts with "Ask me
about my thesis" on the front. I really should have got one. Now I want
one that says, "That's *Dr* Arsehole to you!"
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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