"Hybrid Angel" <xxx0110@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a mathematical proof (Also know as The Harlow Paradox) that
there is NO number zero.

"...-3-2-1-0 > We have lift off Houston...."

*I*............................................................wrote that!

The Mathematical Number 0 exists alright, otoh there's
no such thing as a 100% Nothing or Vacuum. It's only
a Manner of Speaking....but in Reality, an Impossibility.

OK. Start with number 8. Now cut it in half = 4

Cut that in half = 2

Cut that in half = 1

Cut that in half = 1/2

Cut that in half = 1/4

Cut that in half = 1/8

Then 1/16th, 1/32nd, 1/64th etc.

You can do this unto infinity and still never hit zero!



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What about binary language......?
http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/courses/CSCI1200-96/binary.html
Here are the numbers from 0 to 15, in binary:

0000 = 0
0001 = 1
0010 = 2
0011 = 3
0100 = 4
0101 = 5
0110 = 6
0111 = 7
1000 = 8
1001 = 9
1010 = 10
1011 = 11
1100 = 12
1101 = 13
1110 = 14
1111 = 15

Correct!

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"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a mathematical proof (Also know as The Harlow Paradox) that
there is NO number zero.

"...-3-2-1-0> We have lift off Houston <0+1+2+3..."

*I*...............................................................wrote
that!!

The Mathematical Number/Function 0 exists alright, otoh,
there's no such thing as a 100% Nothing or Vacuum. It's
a Manner of Speaking, which in Reality is an Impossibility.

20 apples - 20 apples = 0 or no apples at this point in time,
but not a Zero as a Nothing or a Vacuum, because there are
more apples.. (a - z)...where they came from......ad infinitum.

A Cake is a Zero too, but it's not a Vacuum, because mathe-
matically it can be sub-divided ad infinitum. The same with a
Crop-circle, the Earth, the Universe, etc, etc, etc...
2
E = MC = Eternal Energy = Eternal Matter Squared.

OK. Start with number 8. Now cut it in half = 4

Cut that in half = 2

Cut that in half = 1

Cut that in half = 1/2

Cut that in half = 1/4

Cut that in half = 1/8

Then 1/16th, 1/32nd, 1/64th etc.

You can do this unto infinity and still never hit zero!



~
"I don't have mental health issues." -Twonky

What about binary language......?
http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/courses/CSCI1200-96/binary.html
Here are the numbers from 0 to 15, in binary:

0000 = 0
0001 = 1
0010 = 2
0011 = 3
0100 = 4
0101 = 5
0110 = 6
0111 = 7
1000 = 8
1001 = 9
1010 = 10
1011 = 11
1100 = 12
1101 = 13
1110 = 14
1111 = 15

Correct!

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:04:12 -0500, "Hybrid Angel"
<xxx0110@comcast.net> wrote:

"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Here's a mathematical proof (Also know as The Harlow Paradox) that
there is NO number zero.

3 2 1 0 We have lift off Houston....

OK. Start with number 8. Now cut it in half = 4

Cut that in half = 2

Cut that in half = 1

Cut that in half = 1/2

Cut that in half = 1/4

Cut that in half = 1/8

Then 1/16th, 1/32nd, 1/64th etc.

You can do this unto infinity and still never hit zero!



~
"I don't have mental health issues." -Twonky

What about binary language......?
http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/courses/CSCI1200-96/binary.html
Here are the numbers from 0 to 15, in binary:

0000 = 0
0001 = 1
0010 = 2
0011 = 3
0100 = 4
0101 = 5
0110 = 6
0111 = 7
1000 = 8
1001 = 9
1010 = 10
1011 = 11
1100 = 12
1101 = 13
1110 = 14
1111 = 15

As the saying goes, "there are 10 kinds of people in the world; those
who understand binary, and those who don't"...

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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to
skyscrapers..."

cactus wrote:

But you can get as close as you want to zero, which is just as good.

No it's not, because sometimes you really do just need zero. For example, I
want to owe my bank zero dollars. If I owe them more than that, the
interest will still compound, and I will wind up owing them a lot of money.

Zero exists in the real numbers and the integers; in fact, zero is part of
the definition of those systems:

For all integers (or real numbers) X, there exists an integer (or real
number) 0 such that X + 0 = X

Also, I'd take issue with the idea of getting "close" to something. A lot
of people think limits work like that, but they really don't. The limit of
a function at a certain point has nothing to do with things "approaching"
other things. The limit is actually defined over the entire domain of the
function for every point you are taking a limit at.

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"Andy W" <vor...@mailinator.com> wrote in message

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On 17 Jan, 13:29, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:> Here's a mathematical p=

there is NO number zero.

OK. Start with number 8. Now cut it in half =3D 4

Cut that in half =3D 2

Cut that in half =3D 1

<snip> you get the idea

I prefer this one (Apologies if this doesn't look right):

Let x=3Dy

Multiply through by x
x=B2=3Dxy

Subtract y=B2
x=B2-y=B2=3Dxy-y=B2

Factorise
(x+y)(x-y)=3Dy(x-y)

Two problems here: Factorize is spelled wrong

(don't give me that "Sun never sets..." crap - wake up and smell the coffe=

plus for x=3D5, y=3D5 you have
(10)(0)=3D5(0) and it's game over. You can't move on to dividing by the (0=

part because we haven't proven Infinity yet, even here at alt.atheiism.

You alt.paranoid people can keep this one alive as long as you like.

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"David St. Albans" <whisperindave@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 17, 6:29 am, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's a mathematical proof (Also know as The Harlow Paradox) that
there is NO number zero.
OK. Start with number 8. Now cut it in half = 4
Cut that in half = 2
Cut that in half = 1
Then 1/16th, 1/32nd, 1/64th etc.
You can do this unto infinity and still never hit zero!

Uhm, you start from Zero. Which indicates nothing. It is a place
holder. It's why you can count past nine. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10/ See
how that works, your back to one again. that's so you don't have to
make up symbols for each number anfter nine.
You simply use the first
nine numbers and a sero. This is what makes mathematics work. It was
invented by the Hindus and Arabs. Without it, you cannot perform
higher math functions. Again it is not a number. So you are right,
there is no "number zero." But we do say that the numbers include zero
in some instances. With your theory one can also never reach a
negative number. Which is too bad, because higher functions of math
use negative numbers too. In other words, on the other side of zero is
-1 -2 -3 etc. That means you can have less than something. Which of
course doesn't make a lot of sense. How can one have 1 less apple than
zero? Well, if one is expecting to have twenty apples and none arrive,
he has -20 apples. When they do arrive, he will have 20 apples. (See
where the zero comes in handy again?) If he has no apples he has zero
apples. If he receives ninteen apples, he can say he has twenty apples
minus one. it's a language.
=========
Zero did not always come in handy (esp. since I don't have zero fingers
[on my hand - get it??? Handy?!]). I expect 20 apples. When I get them, I
have 20 apples. I never have -20 apples. I'm just waiting on your tardy
***** to bring me my apples. Until then "j'ai besoin".

Michael Palin (Monty Python fame) has a documentry program, I think it was
actually call "One", but it dealt more with the invention of the number
zero. It's a good show, and I think it was just an hour. It describes how
the transition from Roman Numerals to Arabic (0-9), i.e. the addition of
the Zero. Anyone who is really interested in this thread should seek it
out.
"
X shall stand for playmates Ten:
V for Five stout stalwart men:
I for One, as I'm alive;
C for Hundred, and D for five:*
M for a Thousand soldiers true,
And L for Fifty, I'll tell you.
"
* Five hundred

Zero was definately not obvious. Much like the Earth revolving around the
sun. Or Gods not being necesary for life. What's the quote about how we
see more clearly by standing on the shoulders of giants...

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