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Exclusive Interview: Liberals, Bush, and Israel: A Chat With Ann
Coulter
The Jewish Press ^ | Tuesday, July 4, 2006 | Avraham Shmuel Lewin
Posted on 07/10/2006 9:33:40 AM PDT by GMMAC
Exclusive Interview:
Liberals, Bush, and Israel: A Chat With Ann Coulter
By: Avraham Shmuel Lewin
The Jewish Press
Tuesday, July 4, 2006
Ann Coulter is the author of five New York Times bestsellers, including
the current Godless: The Church of Liberalism.
Coulter, who writes a popular and controversial syndicated column, is a
frequent guest on many TV shows, including Hannity and Colmes, Wolf
Blitzer Reports, Scarborough Country, The O'Reilly Factor. Coulter
consistently raises the ire of liberals, most recently when she
castigated several 9/11 widows for using their status to score
political points against the Bush administration.
America knows Ann Coulter's views on liberals and liberalism in
America, but little is known about her views on Israel. Ms. Coulter
addressed that and other questions in an interview last week with The
Jewish Press.
Jewish Press: Why is it that liberals can attack and ridicule you and
other conservatives and it's considered within the realm of free
speech, but when someone like you lashes out at liberals you are
silenced and castigated? How do you explain this liberal double
standard?
Ann Coulter: You said it yourself: the famed liberal double standard
(although I think now they're calling it "multi-standardizing").
There's one set of rules for them and another, much stricter set of
rules for everyone else.
How do you explain the phenomenon of so many American Jews identifying
with liberal views and policies that often go against Jewish interests?
Absolutely baffling. But it is changing. I believe about 40 percent of
Jewish males under 30 voted for Bush in the last election.
Moreover, both America and Israel are quite popular with Jews who
actually practice the Jewish faith in some way. President Reagan's
approval rating in the chassidic community was off the scale (something
like 90 percent) - surpassed only by his approval from residents of
Grenada.
Why, when it comes to terrorism in Afghanistan or Iraq, does the U.S.
apply a strong hand - but when it's Palestinian terrorism against
Israel, there's not the same tenacity and determination?
Probably because of the formidable left-wing lobby, which has now added
anti-Semitism to its sins.
Many conservatives have been increasingly disappointed with President
Bush's performance on issues like immigration, the economy and of
course the war in Iraq as it drags on. Do you share their dismay?
Like most, I am utterly baffled by Bush's position on illegal
immigration (amnesty for illegals, no serious wall at the border). But
President Bush has fought the war on terrorism magnificently,
completely ignoring liberal naysayers who want us to capitulate to
savagery. For that, he deserves our support.
Even though the 2008 presidential election is still more than two years
away, what's your early guess of who the Democratic and Republican
candidates might be?
Absolutely no idea. My most interesting prediction at this stage -
since she is the clear front-runner - is that the Democratic nominee
might possibly not be Hillary.
Have you ever written about Israel? If not, why not?
I rarely write about any country other than the U.S. There are too many
big juicy fish to fry right here at home! Also, I'm a Protestant girl
from Connecticut and there are many other capable writers who know a
lot more about the subject than I do. In fact, I just started a
screenplay about a Connecticut shiksa like me trying to become an
expert on Israel. It's called "Mission Impossible IV."
Have you ever visited Israel?
No, but I have been to Miami if that's any help.... Actually, I would
like to go, but I've been too busy keeping my eye on liberals here at
home for the past several years to have taken any vacations. My parents
went to Israel a few years ago and loved it. I definitely will go some
day.
While we know how you feel about liberals in America, what's your
opinion on the liberals in Israel like Shimon Peres, Ehud Olmert and
others like them who gave away the Gaza Strip and plan to give away the
West Bank, which many perceive as a victory for terrorism?
No one can be as contemptible as American liberals. I am informed, for
example, that, in Israel, even liberals serve in the military.
What are your feelings about the disengagement from Gaza last year?
Since Israel's withdrawal from the area over 500 rockets have been
fired from Gaza into Jewish communities. Al Qaeda has moved into the
territory abandoned by Israel. Iran is looking to establish an embassy
there. Egypt has accused the Gaza terrorists as targeting them as well.
My first thought is that the Jewish people may not drive as hard a
bargain as I've always been led to believe. I take it this is part of a
long-term Israeli strategy to achieve lasting security by giving up
some disputed areas while re-doubling efforts to protect their new,
smaller boundaries with measures such as the security wall, which I
understand has been very effective in keeping suicide bombers out.
By the way, would you happen to know where the U.S. could get one of
those walls? One about, oh, seven hundred miles or so long? No special
reason, just curious.
What about the planned withdrawal from the West Bank, from which
rockets can hit Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Israel's International Airport?
If you start a war and lose, you lose your land. Next.
Have you ever thought of running for elected office?
No, but if I did, I'd run for the U.S. Senate from New York. Those
people will elect just about anybody!
Have you been threatened, physically or in any other way, for being so
outspoken against liberals?
Frequently on college campuses - or as we call them, "America's
madrassas," I've had food thrown at me and I've been cursed out in the
foulest language imaginable.
Has the response to your new book been largely congratulatory or
disparaging?
Overwhelmingly congratulatory.
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21 Jul 2006 10:43:44 AM |
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On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
So, the hijacked 9/11 flight heading for the pentagon, that was okay in
your
book?
Er, how did you deduce this?
From the previous posts, the only thing to be deduced is that the
victims of 9/11 are on the heads of the hijackers.
Howeve, I am freely willing to admit to having come in in the middle
of a conversation, and that I may have missed something - or many
somethings.
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 11:20:14 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:QC6wg.19$6G3.2@trnddc05...
On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:eluvb29ku2p2eucg0lomj6r7tflrm34mdr@4ax.com...
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
So, the hijacked 9/11 flight heading for the pentagon, that was okay in
your
book?
Er, how did you deduce this?
Well, it's the logic that Consatnce uses to defend a state killing the
innocent whilst trying to destroy its enemies. The Pentagon, as the HQ of
the US military is undoubtedly the enemy of those opposed to US foerign
policy and military actions, thus it is a legitimate target. Using
Constances 'defence', the passengers on that plane were therefore murdered
by the USA, not the hi-jackers. Which somewhat shows the lunacy behind his
logic.
Of course, Constance may modify his logic to exclude non-state agencies, but
how a self-proclaimed libertarian can square that with their opposition to
the states holding or seeking to hold a monoploy of force is likely to
produce some amusing contortions.....
From the previous posts, the only thing to be deduced is that the
victims of 9/11 are on the heads of the hijackers.
Howeve, I am freely willing to admit to having come in in the middle
of a conversation, and that I may have missed something - or many
somethings.
Susan
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20 Jul 2006 05:12:13 PM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
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21 Jul 2006 12:20:07 AM |
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153433533.280874.64970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as ever.....
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21 Jul 2006 03:27:20 AM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153433533.280874.64970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
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21 Jul 2006 08:59:08 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:27:20 GMT, "shrikeback"
<hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote:
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
news:1153459471.19405.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153433533.280874.64970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
Does Hezbollah have missile silos? Or hippies?
Idiot.
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Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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21 Jul 2006 12:55:13 PM |
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2554 Dead wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:27:20 GMT, "shrikeback"
<hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote:
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
news:1153459471.19405.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153433533.280874.64970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
Does Hezbollah have missile silos? Or hippies?
Well, no silos, but they do have missiles.
They probably don't have hippies because if they had
one, they'd probably get medieval on his *****.
Idiot.
Okay, so I give you an example of the justifiable killing
of innocent hippies, and you exhibit an inability to
generalize. For some inexplicable reason, you cope
with this by calling me the "idiot"?
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21 Jul 2006 10:44:33 AM |
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On 21-Jul-2006, 2554 Dead <zepp22112554@finestplanet.com> wrote:
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
Does Hezbollah have missile silos? Or hippies?
Hey, this isn'ty funny - don't make me lugh!
Susan
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22 Jul 2006 02:34:34 AM |
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zepp22112554@finestplanet.com:
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung
Il's nuclear silos, okay? They're minding their own
business, toking away. Say you still take out that
silo just before launch. The hippies didn't deserve
it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
2554 Dead
Does Hezbollah have missile silos? Or hippies?
It has missile silos (non nuclear missile silos) but it
shoots hippies.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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22 Jul 2006 07:54:08 AM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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zepp22112554@finestplanet.com:
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung
Il's nuclear silos, okay? They're minding their own
business, toking away. Say you still take out that
silo just before launch. The hippies didn't deserve
it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
2554 Dead
Does Hezbollah have missile silos? Or hippies?
It has missile silos (non nuclear missile silos) but it
shoots hippies.
Silo's are not required to launch the rocket types that hezbollah are known
or suspected of possessing. The rockets currently being launched against
Israel are thought to be Fajr3 models, of Iranian manufacture and supplied
several years ago. They are about 16' long and 240mmm wide. They could have
silos, along with uranium processing plants, reactors, poison gas plants and
bio-chemical warfare research facilities, hidden beneath the olive groves
and cattle sheds. Some may think they have hi-jacked nuclear submarines
hidden inside oil tnakers cruising the med, just waiting to strike. There
may also be massive slave labour factories and a sinister headquarters,
built into the side of a volcano with lots of desks, flashing lights,
hundreds of dedictaed fanatics in colour-co-ordinated boiler-suits rushing
around and a sinister voice on the tannoy intoning: 'Five minutes,... und
counting'.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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21 Jul 2006 11:12:30 AM |
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shrikeback <hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
***** backwards logic....does killing lebanese civilians and destroying the
civil infrastructure of Lebanon stop hezbollah firing rockets into Israel ?
Does destroying Beirut airport stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying power stations stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying a shoe factory stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying farms and farmers stop the rockets being fired?
Plain simple answer is no, for the rockets are still being fired.
In which case, if that plan to destroy the lebanese civil infrastructure
isn't working to stop the rockets being fired, what other purpose does it
serve?
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21 Jul 2006 04:15:42 PM |
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On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
shrikeback <hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Id0wg.7387$Lw.4209@trnddc07...
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
news:1153459471.19405.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153433533.280874.64970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as
ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
***** backwards logic....
Yes, no need to annoujnce it as such.
does killing lebanese civilians
Nice of you to admit that you refused to read anything that
was just said to you explaining how this is Hezbollah's fault.
and destroying the
civil infrastructure
I see you;ve made this a catch phrase.
or are just parroting it.
of Lebanon stop hezbollah firing rockets into Israel ?
It can - just listen:
Does destroying Beirut airport stop the rockets being fired?
How do you think the rockets get into Lebanon?
Does destroying power stations stop the rockets being fired?
How do you think the terrorists
Does destroying a shoe factory stop the rockets being fired?
See above re: hippies, Hezbollah's fault, etc..
Does destroying farms and farmers stop the rockets being fired?
Ditto
Plain simple answer is no, for the rockets are still being fired.
And the even simper answer is that if Israel were to do nothing,
what do you think would then happen?
In which case, if that plan to destroy the lebanese civil infrastructure
isn't working to stop the rockets being fired, what other purpose does it
serve?
It's stopping the terrorists it finds, for sure.
For Israel to do as YOU want would mean that Israel would have
to do the very same to Syria & Iran, and then you'd be whining
about that, too.
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 08:02:36 PM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2ubwg.61$6G3.33@trnddc05...
On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
shrikeback <hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Id0wg.7387$Lw.4209@trnddc07...
"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153433533.280874.64970@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected
to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the
killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as
ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
***** backwards logic....
Yes, no need to annoujnce it as such.
does killing lebanese civilians
Nice of you to admit that you refused to read anything that
was just said to you explaining how this is Hezbollah's fault.
Nope, its the standard excuse for the careless application of excessive
force, as used by terrorists themselves : i.e Okay, they might not have been
the real targets but they might have been and anyway, they are all guilty
becuase they havent stopped whatever from happening and some of them may
well have grow a tomatoe that one of our enemies ate for lunch......
Does hezbollah constitue a threat to Israle? yes, Does destroying Lebanon's
civli infrastruture damage hezbollah? No, the opposite, it strengthens it.
It provides a massive propaganda boost, it adds credence to their claims
that Israel will kill any arab regardless of combatant status, it shows them
as being the only force that opposes Israel's actions in destroying the
Lebanon, it creates hundreds, if not thousands of grief-stricken relatives
of the innocent dead, now all to ready to hear the siren call to vengeance
of the recruiters. hHezbollah and its ilk doesn't recruit its foot soldiers
from a moderately successful economy, from a nation at peace with itself, a
nation with hopes for its future. It recruits from refugee camps and the
dispossed, from the orphaned and from the grief-stricken, despair is its
breeding ground and Israels current military policy is playing right into
their hands.
and destroying the
civil infrastructure
I see you;ve made this a catch phrase.
or are just parroting it.
of Lebanon stop hezbollah firing rockets into Israel ?
It can - just listen:
According to the news I just watched... another rocket hit..... what was
that about listening again?
Does destroying Beirut airport stop the rockets being fired?
How do you think the rockets get into Lebanon?
Probably in trucks over the Syrian border, probably when the Syrian army was
occupying Lebanon and no, I doubt they asked permission from the lebanese
and wouldnt; have cared two monkeys nuts if they recieved it or not.
Does destroying power stations stop the rockets being fired?
How do you think the terrorists...
What, make their dinner?
Does destroying a shoe factory stop the rockets being fired?
See above re: hippies, Hezbollah's fault, etc.
Oh, of course, terrorists must wear shoes..... so the shoe factory was
directly implicit in supporting terrorism...... Is that the plan then? Deny
hezbollah new boots and they will inevitably acknowlegde their cause is
lost?
Does destroying farms and farmers stop the rockets being fired?
Ditto
Huhuh.... okay, Plan B.... starve them into submission. but why bother, you
already took away their shoes and they have no electricity to cook
anyhow....
Plain simple answer is no, for the rockets are still being fired.
And the even simper answer is that if Israel were to do nothing,
what do you think would then happen?
I never said Isreal should do nothing, don't get caught in the binary bind,
Susan, assuming that opposition to one courseof action is opposiiton to any
course of action. I have already said Israel should hit hezbollah, and its
backers, Syria and Iran. After all, its them that are supplying the rockets
and the funds to enable hezbollah to fire them not the lebanese people as a
whole or even a small part.
In which case, if that plan to destroy the lebanese civil infrastructure
isn't working to stop the rockets being fired, what other purpose does
it
serve?
It's stopping the terrorists it finds, for sure.
For Israel to do as YOU want would mean that Israel would have
to do the very same to Syria & Iran, and then you'd be whining
about that, too.
On the contrary, if Israel hit the backers of hezbollah, rather than the
residents of the area it currently occupies, I would have no complaints. If
Israel hit hezbollah and the rockets stopped, I would have no complaints.
But the rockets haven't stopped, have they? So, for all the bombing and
destruction carried out against an undefended country, what has actually
been achieved ? Might as well have dropped all the bombs into the Med for
the all the good they have done in achieving Israels stated purpose.
Susan
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brique wrote:
shrikeback <hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
***** backwards logic....does killing lebanese civilians and destroying the
civil infrastructure of Lebanon stop hezbollah firing rockets into Israel ?
Does destroying Beirut airport stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying power stations stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying a shoe factory stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying farms and farmers stop the rockets being fired?
Plain simple answer is no, for the rockets are still being fired.
Israel didn't achieve that goal immediately? You don't say. Well, that
certainly goes to show that they weren't trying.
In which case, if that plan to destroy the lebanese civil infrastructure
isn't working to stop the rockets being fired, what other purpose does it
serve?
Why, to steal the Lebanese oil, of course.
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
shrikeback <hewpiedawg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected
to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the
killers.
But those who share a zip-code can...... astounding logic, as
ever.....
Say a bunch of hippies have camped out on Kim Jung Il's nuclear
silos, okay? They're minding their own business, toking away.
Say you still take out that silo just before launch. The hippies
didn't deserve it, but still.... The question comes down to: does
Hizbullah constitute a legitimate threat to Israel?
***** backwards logic....does killing lebanese civilians and destroying
the
civil infrastructure of Lebanon stop hezbollah firing rockets into
Israel ?
Does destroying Beirut airport stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying power stations stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying a shoe factory stop the rockets being fired?
Does destroying farms and farmers stop the rockets being fired?
Plain simple answer is no, for the rockets are still being fired.
Israel didn't achieve that goal immediately? You don't say. Well, that
certainly goes to show that they weren't trying.
It shows their planning is up ***** creek, your neighbour tosses a
firecracker in your yard so you shoot his grandma three blocks away.... that
will teach him!
In which case, if that plan to destroy the lebanese civil infrastructure
isn't working to stop the rockets being fired, what other purpose does
it
serve?
Why, to steal the Lebanese oil, of course.
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brique wrote:
Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can......
No.
astounding logic, as ever.....
You're making up logic.
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21 Jul 2006 11:15:08 AM |
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed
credit for some very large number of murders.
"brique"
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a
perfectly justified response...
He chose to hide behind innocents. Those innocents
should have fled or if not permitted to flee, should
have killed him.
When the killers choose to use human shields, the blood
of the innocents is on the heads of the killers.
And the reason for this is that no one can reasonably be expected to
lie down and die - for example, the would-be victims of the killers.
But those who share a zip-code can......
No.
astounding logic, as ever.....
You're making up logic.
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are supporting the monopoly
use of violence by the state to further its aim of denying the use of
violence to a non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same state.
What was that about logic again?
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22 Jul 2006 04:23:00 AM |
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"brique"
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are
supporting the monopoly use of violence by the state
to further its aim of denying the use of violence to a
non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same
state.
You are talking to the voices in your head, as usual.
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is trying
to kill Jews.
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of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
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22 Jul 2006 07:57:16 AM |
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"brique"
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are
supporting the monopoly use of violence by the state
to further its aim of denying the use of violence to a
non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same
state.
You are talking to the voices in your head, as usual.
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is trying
to kill Jews.
But surely your own philosophy supports that? A group of private individuals
combining to exercise the use of violence to resist a state agency it
beleives is a threat? Well, isn't that your proposed social order. Mr
anarcho-capitalist-libertarian?
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of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
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22 Jul 2006 03:26:25 PM |
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James A. Donald
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is
trying to kill Jews.
"brique"
But surely your own philosophy supports that?
No.
A group of private individuals combining to exercise
the use of violence to resist a state agency it
beleives is a threat?
That is not what Hezbollah is doing. They are not
resisting a state agency. They are attacking Jews. The
state agency is just getting in their way. It would be
the same whether the state of Israel existed or not.
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of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
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23 Jul 2006 04:54:52 AM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is
trying to kill Jews.
"brique"
But surely your own philosophy supports that?
No.
A group of private individuals combining to exercise
the use of violence to resist a state agency it
beleives is a threat?
That is not what Hezbollah is doing. They are not
resisting a state agency. They are attacking Jews. The
state agency is just getting in their way. It would be
the same whether the state of Israel existed or not.
Doesn't matter, your philosophy makes no distinction as the moral
correctitude of any individuals motives, such is to be corrected during or
after the event by his peers or by market forces not by a State exercising
monopoly of force.
Your philosophy abjures the monopoly of force being held by a State in favor
of anyone being free to organise their own enforcement agencies, alone or in
combination.
Thus those who hate jews are totally free, under your philosophy, to combine
with the purpose of killing jews by dint of announcing that they feel jews
are a threat to them. Jews may equally combine in agencies to defend
themselves and attack whoever they feel is a threat to them. The 'threat'
itself requires no proof, for there is no agency in your philosophy which
can adjudicate, for such would require a State, which you, being good little
anarcho-capitalists, allegedly despise and would do without.
What is not deemed acceptable in your philosophy is the State ( regardless
of rleigious or secular bent) exercising the monopoly of force in promotion
of its percieved interests and in the process damaging the soveriegn
property of individuals, for then it is the right and duty of that
individual to defend themselves from that State. Just like you say beneath
in your dig-sig, eh James?
Or is this one of those...Yes....but...except..... codicils to your high
moral position?
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of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
err...... except....... well, you know.....watch the news..... self-hater!
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23 Jul 2006 04:14:22 PM |
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James A. Donald
That is not what Hezbollah is doing. They are not
resisting a state agency. They are attacking Jews.
The state agency is just getting in their way. It
would be the same whether the state of Israel
existed or not.
"brique"
Doesn't matter, your philosophy makes no distinction
as the moral correctitude of any individuals motives,
You are talking to the voices in your head again.
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22 Jul 2006 06:14:03 AM |
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James A. Donald wrote:
"brique"
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are
supporting the monopoly use of violence by the state
to further its aim of denying the use of violence to a
non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same
state.
You are talking to the voices in your head, as usual.
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is trying
to kill Jews.
As least now brique clarifies the basis of his views: he sides with
Hezbollah, considering it morally superior to Israel from the very
start of this conflict. Supposedly because it is a non-state agency,
but that's obviously not why (leftists, anarchist or not, have no
problem siding with states against non-state agencies that they don't
like).
We saw, earlier, that brique criticized Israel for responding with
force to the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers. Brique's view is that the
proper response to the kidnapping of the soldiers would have been to
release the prisoners Hezbollah wanted released - that is, to reward
Hezbollah for the kidnapping rather than punishing them. It follows
that Brique does not consider it a crime to kidnap Israeli soldiers.
Not because the soldiers are agents of the state (dealt with that
above). For another reason.
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22 Jul 2006 08:10:30 AM |
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald wrote:
"brique"
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are
supporting the monopoly use of violence by the state
to further its aim of denying the use of violence to a
non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same
state.
You are talking to the voices in your head, as usual.
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is trying
to kill Jews.
As least now brique clarifies the basis of his views: he sides with
Hezbollah, considering it morally superior to Israel from the very
start of this conflict. Supposedly because it is a non-state agency,
but that's obviously not why (leftists, anarchist or not, have no
problem siding with states against non-state agencies that they don't
like).
Try reading what I wrote, Constance. You and James promote a philosphy which
applauds the combination of private individuals into self-defence groups.
Your philosophy condemns the state for siezing the monopoly of violence. You
yourself earlier stated that if you found yourself with a threatening
neighbour you would act with others to remove them. Well, here you are then,
a group of individuals combining to challenge the states monopoly of
violence which they beleive will be directed against them and now you cry
'thats a commie idea!' Oh, hang on, you dont think the state with the
monopoly of violence is a threat and you think the individuals are amd to
think that. but your philosophy doesnt have nay moral baisis for judging who
is right or wrong, does it? Its their right to combine to defend themselves,
the state is wrong to monopolize force, so... constance, shouldn't you be
cheering on hezbollah as being a vindication of your own much-vaunted
philosophy?
We saw, earlier, that brique criticized Israel for responding with
force to the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers. Brique's view is that the
proper response to the kidnapping of the soldiers would have been to
release the prisoners Hezbollah wanted released - that is, to reward
Hezbollah for the kidnapping rather than punishing them. It follows
that Brique does not consider it a crime to kidnap Israeli soldiers.
Incorrect, but not surprising you should choose to invent that piece of
nonsense. Israel and hezbollah have co-operated on prisoner exchanges
before, its a fairly common piece of business in the region and not the
sudden awful unexpected and unthinkable vista that some would present it as.
If Israel chooses to deny that course of action, so what, but it is not an
unprecedented or unlikely course of action to have taken. If you bothered to
take your head out of James ***** you would note I have written that if the
Israelis seek to destroy hezbollah and its backers, it is bombing the wrong
targets. It should be bombing Syria and Iran, but then, they might bomb
straight back because they actually have an airforce and long-range missiles
which could hit the Knesset.
Not because the soldiers are agents of the state (dealt with that
above). For another reason.
Why don't you just come out and say it, Constance? Surely such elliptic coy
phrases do not sit well with your bluff no-nonsense I say what I mean and I
mean what I say, get off your horse and drink your milk, persona?
You are a silly little man but I bet you look good in your dreams.
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22 Jul 2006 09:04:02 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:23:00 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
"brique"
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are
supporting the monopoly use of violence by the state
to further its aim of denying the use of violence to a
non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same
state.
You are talking to the voices in your head, as usual.
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is trying
to kill Jews.
Ah. So the state is bad and should be powerless, unless someone
challenges the power of the state.
American libertarians are such fucking frauds....
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22 Jul 2006 12:33:44 PM |
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2554 Dead <zepp22112554@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:23:00 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
"brique"
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are
supporting the monopoly use of violence by the state
to further its aim of denying the use of violence to a
non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same
state.
You are talking to the voices in your head, as usual.
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is trying
to kill Jews.
Ah. So the state is bad and should be powerless, unless someone
challenges the power of the state.
American libertarians are such fucking frauds....
Some do seem to have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to applying their
philosophy to the actions of their favored states, it is true.
--
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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23 Jul 2006 06:11:20 AM |
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On 22-Jul-2006, 2554 Dead <zepp22112554@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:23:00 +1000, James A. Donald
<jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
"brique"
You, supposed anarchist/libertarian/capitalist are
supporting the monopoly use of violence by the state
to further its aim of denying the use of violence to a
non-state agency in defence of itsself from that same
state.
You are talking to the voices in your head, as usual.
Hezbollah is not trying to defend itself. It is trying
to kill Jews.
Ah. So the state is bad and should be powerless, unless someone
challenges the power of the state.
American libertarians are such fucking frauds....
--
Are you seriously suggesting that
a) Jews are a state?
b) Jews are - or, more accurately, Israel is - actually doing
anything to terrorists that they don't earn? And that anything
done to the women & chlidren with whom said terrorists
sandbag themselves is soehow Israel's fault?
Susan
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20 Jul 2006 01:56:01 PM |
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brique wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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"brique"
James should be well pleased with current events, a
minor muslim clreic had a half-ton bomb dropped on his
house taking out both him and all his family plus half
the neighbourhood. He wont be saying 'scary stuff'
again, for sure, and neither will his children!
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed credit
for some very large number of murders.
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a perfectly justified
response....
Nice world you live in James, stay there please.
There's only one good reason to kill somebody, and that's to protect
yourself. People have a right to protect themselves - and more
importantly, people, even the most peace-loving people, are *going* to
protect themselves - and if the only way to do that is to drop bombs on
Nasrallah (to use an example from the current news) *and* Nasrallah's
neighbors and family, then people have got a right to do that, and
they're going to do that, if he's attacking them, as he's attacking the
Israelis. The blood of his neighbors and family is on Nasrallah's
hands, not on the folks who drop bombs on him.
Now, suppose that Nasrallah lives in my apartment building. Someone
bombs my building. Well, long before that happens, I've moved out of
there, because I'm not stupid. And/or, I've hired somebody to take care
of Nasrallah myself, which is analogous to what the Lebanese might have
done, what Israel gave the Lebanese (and the UN for the matter) plenty
of time to do. It was only after it had long since become entirely
clear that nobody was going to take care of Nasrallah and his "party of
God" that Israel started the current campaign.
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21 Jul 2006 12:18:27 AM |
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:vsvrb2tmof2pa07mo684jkfv5jbi9q5ttl@4ax.com...
"brique"
James should be well pleased with current events, a
minor muslim clreic had a half-ton bomb dropped on his
house taking out both him and all his family plus half
the neighbourhood. He wont be saying 'scary stuff'
again, for sure, and neither will his children!
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed credit
for some very large number of murders.
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a perfectly justified
response....
Nice world you live in James, stay there please.
There's only one good reason to kill somebody, and that's to protect
yourself. People have a right to protect themselves - and more
importantly, people, even the most peace-loving people, are *going* to
protect themselves - and if the only way to do that is to drop bombs on
Nasrallah (to use an example from the current news) *and* Nasrallah's
neighbors and family, then people have got a right to do that, and
they're going to do that, if he's attacking them, as he's attacking the
Israelis. The blood of his neighbors and family is on Nasrallah's
hands, not on the folks who drop bombs on him.
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to dropping half-ton bombs
on members of hezbollah's homes, then such an argument would have
consistency, if not moral merit.
But if that same State orders the entire population of the south to evacuate
or be bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and attacks every convoy,
if that State places destroying the entire national infrastructure above
bombing the alleged 'reason' for its actions. For example, The State of
Israle deemed it necessary to destroy the airport and power supplies,
highway bridges and harbour installations before it bothered to hit the
clearly-marked and well-known HQ building of hezbollah in Beirut. One is
right to question what conceptual framework is guiding this 'response' and
what conclusion is actually desired.
Now, suppose that Nasrallah lives in my apartment building. Someone
bombs my building. Well, long before that happens, I've moved out of
there, because I'm not stupid. And/or, I've hired somebody to take care
of Nasrallah myself, which is analogous to what the Lebanese might have
done, what Israel gave the Lebanese (and the UN for the matter) plenty
of time to do. It was only after it had long since become entirely
clear that nobody was going to take care of Nasrallah and his "party of
God" that Israel started the current campaign.
No, the basis for the State of Israels reaction was the cross-border attack
and capture of Israeli soldiers. The only reason being given for the attacks
upon Lebanon is the attempt to force recovery of their soldiers. Hezbollah
has said they can have them back, subject to the usual negotiations
regarding prisoner swaps, swaps which have always taken places and are part
of the 'modus operandi' in that area.
And the villagers forcibly evacuated from their village, ordered by Israeli
military to leave and sent up a road in a convoy of cars which was then
bombed by an F-16 ordered to hit all moving traffic..... who was their
neighbour again?
Should they have moved already? Where to? Beirut? Is there some sort of
'megans law' so that murderous terrorists have to put a large sign outside
their houses, to warn neighbours that it may be bombed at some point? Not
necessary, it seems just living nin Lebanon is sufficient 'guilt' for ones
death to be deemed 'a reasonable response'.
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"brique"
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to
dropping half-ton bombs on members of hezbollah's
homes, then such an argument would have consistency,
if not moral merit. But if that same State orders the
entire population of the south to evacuate or be
bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and
attacks every convoy,
You are nuts.
If it was doing that, there would be fifty thousand
dead, and several thousand more every day. Last count
there were two hundred dead, which indicates surgical
precision attacks on the guilty, indicates an
astonishingly determined effort to seek out those hiding
behind innocent human shields without nailing too many
of their shields.
One can make reasonable criticisms of Israel's effort,
and when the time is appropriate, I will do so. But your
criticism is demented.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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