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Exclusive Interview: Liberals, Bush, and Israel: A Chat With Ann
Coulter
The Jewish Press ^ | Tuesday, July 4, 2006 | Avraham Shmuel Lewin
Posted on 07/10/2006 9:33:40 AM PDT by GMMAC
Exclusive Interview:
Liberals, Bush, and Israel: A Chat With Ann Coulter
By: Avraham Shmuel Lewin
The Jewish Press
Tuesday, July 4, 2006
Ann Coulter is the author of five New York Times bestsellers, including
the current Godless: The Church of Liberalism.
Coulter, who writes a popular and controversial syndicated column, is a
frequent guest on many TV shows, including Hannity and Colmes, Wolf
Blitzer Reports, Scarborough Country, The O'Reilly Factor. Coulter
consistently raises the ire of liberals, most recently when she
castigated several 9/11 widows for using their status to score
political points against the Bush administration.
America knows Ann Coulter's views on liberals and liberalism in
America, but little is known about her views on Israel. Ms. Coulter
addressed that and other questions in an interview last week with The
Jewish Press.
Jewish Press: Why is it that liberals can attack and ridicule you and
other conservatives and it's considered within the realm of free
speech, but when someone like you lashes out at liberals you are
silenced and castigated? How do you explain this liberal double
standard?
Ann Coulter: You said it yourself: the famed liberal double standard
(although I think now they're calling it "multi-standardizing").
There's one set of rules for them and another, much stricter set of
rules for everyone else.
How do you explain the phenomenon of so many American Jews identifying
with liberal views and policies that often go against Jewish interests?
Absolutely baffling. But it is changing. I believe about 40 percent of
Jewish males under 30 voted for Bush in the last election.
Moreover, both America and Israel are quite popular with Jews who
actually practice the Jewish faith in some way. President Reagan's
approval rating in the chassidic community was off the scale (something
like 90 percent) - surpassed only by his approval from residents of
Grenada.
Why, when it comes to terrorism in Afghanistan or Iraq, does the U.S.
apply a strong hand - but when it's Palestinian terrorism against
Israel, there's not the same tenacity and determination?
Probably because of the formidable left-wing lobby, which has now added
anti-Semitism to its sins.
Many conservatives have been increasingly disappointed with President
Bush's performance on issues like immigration, the economy and of
course the war in Iraq as it drags on. Do you share their dismay?
Like most, I am utterly baffled by Bush's position on illegal
immigration (amnesty for illegals, no serious wall at the border). But
President Bush has fought the war on terrorism magnificently,
completely ignoring liberal naysayers who want us to capitulate to
savagery. For that, he deserves our support.
Even though the 2008 presidential election is still more than two years
away, what's your early guess of who the Democratic and Republican
candidates might be?
Absolutely no idea. My most interesting prediction at this stage -
since she is the clear front-runner - is that the Democratic nominee
might possibly not be Hillary.
Have you ever written about Israel? If not, why not?
I rarely write about any country other than the U.S. There are too many
big juicy fish to fry right here at home! Also, I'm a Protestant girl
from Connecticut and there are many other capable writers who know a
lot more about the subject than I do. In fact, I just started a
screenplay about a Connecticut shiksa like me trying to become an
expert on Israel. It's called "Mission Impossible IV."
Have you ever visited Israel?
No, but I have been to Miami if that's any help.... Actually, I would
like to go, but I've been too busy keeping my eye on liberals here at
home for the past several years to have taken any vacations. My parents
went to Israel a few years ago and loved it. I definitely will go some
day.
While we know how you feel about liberals in America, what's your
opinion on the liberals in Israel like Shimon Peres, Ehud Olmert and
others like them who gave away the Gaza Strip and plan to give away the
West Bank, which many perceive as a victory for terrorism?
No one can be as contemptible as American liberals. I am informed, for
example, that, in Israel, even liberals serve in the military.
What are your feelings about the disengagement from Gaza last year?
Since Israel's withdrawal from the area over 500 rockets have been
fired from Gaza into Jewish communities. Al Qaeda has moved into the
territory abandoned by Israel. Iran is looking to establish an embassy
there. Egypt has accused the Gaza terrorists as targeting them as well.
My first thought is that the Jewish people may not drive as hard a
bargain as I've always been led to believe. I take it this is part of a
long-term Israeli strategy to achieve lasting security by giving up
some disputed areas while re-doubling efforts to protect their new,
smaller boundaries with measures such as the security wall, which I
understand has been very effective in keeping suicide bombers out.
By the way, would you happen to know where the U.S. could get one of
those walls? One about, oh, seven hundred miles or so long? No special
reason, just curious.
What about the planned withdrawal from the West Bank, from which
rockets can hit Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Israel's International Airport?
If you start a war and lose, you lose your land. Next.
Have you ever thought of running for elected office?
No, but if I did, I'd run for the U.S. Senate from New York. Those
people will elect just about anybody!
Have you been threatened, physically or in any other way, for being so
outspoken against liberals?
Frequently on college campuses - or as we call them, "America's
madrassas," I've had food thrown at me and I've been cursed out in the
foulest language imaginable.
Has the response to your new book been largely congratulatory or
disparaging?
Overwhelmingly congratulatory.
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"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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"brique"
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to
dropping half-ton bombs on members of hezbollah's
homes, then such an argument would have consistency,
if not moral merit. But if that same State orders the
entire population of the south to evacuate or be
bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and
attacks every convoy,
You are nuts.
If it was doing that, there would be fifty thousand
dead, and several thousand more every day. Last count
there were two hundred dead, which indicates surgical
precision attacks on the guilty, indicates an
astonishingly determined effort to seek out those hiding
behind innocent human shields without nailing too many
of their shields.
One can make reasonable criticisms of Israel's effort,
and when the time is appropriate, I will do so. But your
criticism is demented.
The government of Lebanon allowed a thousands strong military force,
Hezbollah, to train, arm itself, plot at if it were a country to its own.
The people of Lebanon stood silent as Hezbollah set up weapons caches and
rocket launchers inside of private home, businesses, apartments. They did
NOTHING.
To take out the rocket launchers, Iraelis must hit the private homes,
businesses, apartments where the rockets are being fired from. That they hit
the buildings where the rocket were being launched and left the surrounding
buildings standingf is an act of incredible restraint.
Meanwhile, the missiles Hezbullah is firing into Israel are not guided and
haver no targeting capabilities. Hezbollah does not care who they kill with
their missiles.
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21 Jul 2006 11:05:42 AM |
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Morton Davis <antikerry@go.com> wrote in message
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"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:ntv0c2d3vira0oalssmho7q2ius9tfq0ch@4ax.com...
"brique"
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to
dropping half-ton bombs on members of hezbollah's
homes, then such an argument would have consistency,
if not moral merit. But if that same State orders the
entire population of the south to evacuate or be
bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and
attacks every convoy,
You are nuts.
If it was doing that, there would be fifty thousand
dead, and several thousand more every day. Last count
there were two hundred dead, which indicates surgical
precision attacks on the guilty, indicates an
astonishingly determined effort to seek out those hiding
behind innocent human shields without nailing too many
of their shields.
One can make reasonable criticisms of Israel's effort,
and when the time is appropriate, I will do so. But your
criticism is demented.
The government of Lebanon allowed a thousands strong military force,
Hezbollah, to train, arm itself, plot at if it were a country to its own.
And why was hezbollah there in the first palce, sponsored by Syria, a nation
which the Lebanese have only just managed to get their uniformed troops to
leave?
twenty years of Israel using it as a proxy battlefield and now its doing the
same again. If hezbollah is the enemy, if their backers are Syria and Iran,
then Israle should bomb the ***** out of Damascus and Tehran. Israle
deliberately made Lebanon weak and dependent on Syria, now it seeks to
weaken it yet again.
The people of Lebanon stood silent as Hezbollah set up weapons caches and
rocket launchers inside of private home, businesses, apartments. They did
NOTHING.
Because the Syrian Army was there to stop them doing anything. read up abit
on recent history in the region beofre you make such stupid pronouncements.
To take out the rocket launchers, Iraelis must hit the private homes,
businesses, apartments where the rockets are being fired from. That they
hit
the buildings where the rocket were being launched and left the
surrounding
buildings standingf is an act of incredible restraint.
Huh. so, where were the rocket launchers at beirut airport then? Or beiruts
power stations, or on the highway bridges? Have to be some rockets to hit
Haifa from there, heh?
Meanwhile, the missiles Hezbullah is firing into Israel are not guided and
haver no targeting capabilities. Hezbollah does not care who they kill
with
their missiles.
Then Israel should try hitting hezbollah and its sponsors, Iran and
Syria.... blasting the ***** out of Lebanon's civil infrastructure isnt going
to do much to halt them, quite the opposite, it will probably act as the
best recruiting method they have had since the Isralei backed militias took
out those palestinian refugee camps during the last civil war Israel
provoked in the region..
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21 Jul 2006 04:12:23 PM |
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On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
Morton Davis <antikerry@go.com> wrote in message
news:zq3wg.89535$1i1.62502@attbi_s72...
"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:ntv0c2d3vira0oalssmho7q2ius9tfq0ch@4ax.com...
"brique"
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to
dropping half-ton bombs on members of hezbollah's
homes, then such an argument would have consistency,
if not moral merit. But if that same State orders the
entire population of the south to evacuate or be
bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and
attacks every convoy,
You are nuts.
If it was doing that, there would be fifty thousand
dead, and several thousand more every day. Last count
there were two hundred dead, which indicates surgical
precision attacks on the guilty, indicates an
astonishingly determined effort to seek out those hiding
behind innocent human shields without nailing too many
of their shields.
One can make reasonable criticisms of Israel's effort,
and when the time is appropriate, I will do so. But your
criticism is demented.
The government of Lebanon allowed a thousands strong military force,
Hezbollah, to train, arm itself, plot at if it were a country to its
own.
And why was hezbollah there in the first palce,
That's whaT HE WAS DISCUSASING.
sponsored by Syria, a
nation
which the Lebanese have only just managed to get their uniformed troops to
leave?
So, IOW, they CAN get rid of people they WANT to make leave.
twenty years of Israel using it as a proxy battlefield and now its doing
the
same again.
Wrong group.
It's Hezbollah who's been doing that & always will, until it's stopped.
If hezbollah is the enemy, if their backers are Syria and
Iran,
then Israle should bomb the ***** out of Damascus and Tehran.
Them next, hopefully.
But Israel has to get them where they find them.
DUH.
In fact, the same people who whioe about Israel attacking the
Lebanese hidey holes will be the first to whine if Israel does
as you suggest, using the same argument: trhe false
"collective punishment" argument.
Israle
deliberately made Lebanon weak and dependent on Syria,
Oh, really?
Israel is that poerful?
Do tell us how she managed it.
now it seeks to
weaken it yet again.
The people of Lebanon stood silent as Hezbollah set up weapons caches
and
rocket launchers inside of private home, businesses, apartments. They
did
NOTHING.
Because the Syrian Army was there to stop them doing anything. read up
abit
on recent history in the region beofre you make such stupid
pronouncements.
And you ask yourself why Lebanon didn't ask for help before you make
such stupid excuses.
To take out the rocket launchers, Iraelis must hit the private homes,
businesses, apartments where the rockets are being fired from. That they
hit
the buildings where the rocket were being launched and left the
surrounding
buildings standingf is an act of incredible restraint.
Huh. so, where were the rocket launchers at beirut airport then?
Why is it that only Israel has to refrain from the time-honored military
practice of "cutting off supply lines"? How do you think the rockets
GET there??
Or
beiruts
power stations, or on the highway bridges?
See previous.
Have to be some rockets to hit
Haifa from there, heh?
Meanwhile, the missiles Hezbullah is firing into Israel are not guided
and
haver no targeting capabilities. Hezbollah does not care who they kill
with
their missiles.
Then Israel should try hitting hezbollah
It's trying to do that & you;re complaining about it.
and its sponsors, Iran and
Syria....
Because, of course, Israel is strong enough to take on 3 countries at once.
blasting the ***** out of Lebanon's civil infrastructure isnt
going
to do much to halt them, quite the opposite, it will probably act as the
best recruiting method they have had since the Isralei backed militias
took
out those palestinian refugee camps during the last civil war Israel
provoked in the region..
Which is what everyone says the minute Israel tries to fight the terrorists.
So if it's a choice between "fight back & provoke them" and "lay down &
die & provoke them", I'm sure you'll understand why Israel picks "fight
back."
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 07:35:55 PM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Xqbwg.60$6G3.47@trnddc05...
On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
Morton Davis <antikerry@go.com> wrote in message
news:zq3wg.89535$1i1.62502@attbi_s72...
"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:ntv0c2d3vira0oalssmho7q2ius9tfq0ch@4ax.com...
"brique"
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to
dropping half-ton bombs on members of hezbollah's
homes, then such an argument would have consistency,
if not moral merit. But if that same State orders the
entire population of the south to evacuate or be
bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and
attacks every convoy,
You are nuts.
If it was doing that, there would be fifty thousand
dead, and several thousand more every day. Last count
there were two hundred dead, which indicates surgical
precision attacks on the guilty, indicates an
astonishingly determined effort to seek out those hiding
behind innocent human shields without nailing too many
of their shields.
One can make reasonable criticisms of Israel's effort,
and when the time is appropriate, I will do so. But your
criticism is demented.
The government of Lebanon allowed a thousands strong military force,
Hezbollah, to train, arm itself, plot at if it were a country to its
own.
And why was hezbollah there in the first palce,
That's whaT HE WAS DISCUSASING.
sponsored by Syria, a
nation
which the Lebanese have only just managed to get their uniformed troops
to
leave?
So, IOW, they CAN get rid of people they WANT to make leave.
twenty years of Israel using it as a proxy battlefield and now its doing
the
same again.
Wrong group.
It's Hezbollah who's been doing that & always will, until it's stopped.
If hezbollah is the enemy, if their backers are Syria and
Iran,
then Israle should bomb the ***** out of Damascus and Tehran.
Them next, hopefully.
But Israel has to get them where they find them.
DUH.
In fact, the same people who whioe about Israel attacking the
Lebanese hidey holes will be the first to whine if Israel does
as you suggest, using the same argument: trhe false
"collective punishment" argument.
Israle
deliberately made Lebanon weak and dependent on Syria,
Oh, really?
Israel is that poerful?
Do tell us how she managed it.
now it seeks to
weaken it yet again.
The people of Lebanon stood silent as Hezbollah set up weapons caches
and
rocket launchers inside of private home, businesses, apartments. They
did
NOTHING.
Probably because Hezbolah have guns and lebanese villagers tend not to have
guns.
Perhaps you should try it one day, demanding armed men go play elsewhere,
let me know the response you get.
Because the Syrian Army was there to stop them doing anything. read up
abit
on recent history in the region beofre you make such stupid
pronouncements.
And you ask yourself why Lebanon didn't ask for help before you make
such stupid excuses.
Actually, they did, it's why the EU has been funding the reconstruction, why
the UN patrols the border, underfunded, under-equipped and under orders not
to upset anyone by actually interfering, which works both ways, hezbollah
gets to play at heros and Israel gets to charge across the border in hot
pursuit.
To take out the rocket launchers, Iraelis must hit the private homes,
businesses, apartments where the rockets are being fired from. That
they
hit
the buildings where the rocket were being launched and left the
surrounding
buildings standingf is an act of incredible restraint.
Huh. so, where were the rocket launchers at beirut airport then?
Why is it that only Israel has to refrain from the time-honored military
practice of "cutting off supply lines"? How do you think the rockets
GET there??
Probably by road from Damascus, not much point flying them to Beirut then
trucking them from there. Logically, to cut that supply route you only need
take out the border crossings, taking out every bridge in Southern Lebanon
is somewhat militarily pointless, taking out power supplies in beirut is
militarily pointless, taking out milk processing plants is militarily
pointless.... if the point of your military action is to stop rockets being
fired form points within a few miles of your own border.
Of course, if your intention is to destroy the civil infrastructure of a
country then all the above is militarily good policy, but does little to
stop the rockets being fired.
Or
beiruts
power stations, or on the highway bridges?
See previous.
Have to be some rockets to hit
Haifa from there, heh?
Meanwhile, the missiles Hezbullah is firing into Israel are not guided
and
haver no targeting capabilities. Hezbollah does not care who they kill
with
their missiles.
Then Israel should try hitting hezbollah
It's trying to do that & you;re complaining about it.
No, its not, its destroying the civil infrastructure of a country in a
systematic manner with little regard for civilian casualties. It acts no
different to Hezbollah when it blindly fires it rockets into Israel, just
the same assumption that whatever it hits is guilty anyway, if not of being
a combatant enemy, then of being their neighbour or foolish enough to be
nearby when the explosive hits.
and its sponsors, Iran and
Syria....
Because, of course, Israel is strong enough to take on 3 countries at
once.
Only two, Syria and Iran, after all, its them that's funding and supplying
Hezbollah, isn't it? If you want to cut the hezbollah supply lines, start at
the beginning. But you do touch upon the reason not to do so. Iran and Syria
can fight back, Lebanon can't. So guess who gets to enjoy a demonstration of
military power? Huhuh.
blasting the ***** out of Lebanon's civil infrastructure isnt
going
to do much to halt them, quite the opposite, it will probably act as the
best recruiting method they have had since the Isralei backed militias
took
out those palestinian refugee camps during the last civil war Israel
provoked in the region..
Which is what everyone says the minute Israel tries to fight the
terrorists.
So if it's a choice between "fight back & provoke them" and "lay down &
die & provoke them", I'm sure you'll understand why Israel picks "fight
back."
Sure, its a simple crowd-pleaser act, goes down well with the voters. Solves
bugger all and stores up more trouble for the future but hey, then they can
fight some more.
Is that your ambition for Israel, fighting and fighting and fighting until
when? Or what?
Think about it, will you fight until there is no-one left to fight? If so,
then you hand your enemies a gilt-edged recruitment card..... for then for
them not to fight is to acquisce in their own destruction. You wouldn't do
it, why do you think they would?
Susan
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On 21-Jul-2006, "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote:
The government of Lebanon allowed a thousands strong military force,
Hezbollah, to train, arm itself, plot at if it were a country to its own.
The people of Lebanon stood silent as Hezbollah set up weapons caches and
rocket launchers inside of private home, businesses, apartments. They did
NOTHING.
While it is unfairly easy to insist that unarmed civilians throw these
slimebags out,
it is the opposite to insist that a government do so. And when they do not
even
at least *take notice*, it is hypocritical for people to complain at what
happens next,
and *only* at what happens next.
To take out the rocket launchers, Iraelis must hit the private homes,
businesses, apartments where the rockets are being fired from. That they
hit
the buildings where the rocket were being launched and left the
surrounding
buildings standingf is an act of incredible restraint.
And this is exactly the sort of thing that CONSTANTLY goes on against
Israel,
and yet must CONSTANTLY be pointed out!
Meanwhile, the missiles Hezbullah is firing into Israel are not guided and
haver no targeting capabilities. Hezbollah does not care who they kill
with their missiles.
Details, details...!
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 10:49:47 AM |
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On 21-Jul-2006, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
"brique"
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to
dropping half-ton bombs on members of hezbollah's
homes, then such an argument would have consistency,
if not moral merit. But if that same State orders the
entire population of the south to evacuate or be
bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and
attacks every convoy,
You are nuts.
If it was doing that, there would be fifty thousand
dead, and several thousand more every day. Last count
there were two hundred dead, which indicates surgical
precision attacks on the guilty, indicates an
astonishingly determined effort to seek out those hiding
behind innocent human shields without nailing too many
of their shields.
One can make reasonable criticisms of Israel's effort,
and when the time is appropriate, I will do so. But your
criticism is demented.
I'm sure I will take heat for this, but I agree with you.
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 02:05:38 PM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:vI6wg.24$6G3.4@trnddc05...
On 21-Jul-2006, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
"brique"
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to
dropping half-ton bombs on members of hezbollah's
homes, then such an argument would have consistency,
if not moral merit. But if that same State orders the
entire population of the south to evacuate or be
bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and
attacks every convoy,
You are nuts.
If it was doing that, there would be fifty thousand
dead, and several thousand more every day. Last count
there were two hundred dead, which indicates surgical
precision attacks on the guilty, indicates an
astonishingly determined effort to seek out those hiding
behind innocent human shields without nailing too many
of their shields.
One can make reasonable criticisms of Israel's effort,
and when the time is appropriate, I will do so. But your
criticism is demented.
I'm sure I will take heat for this, but I agree with you.
If this surgical strike capacity exists, then why isnt it striking hezbollah
members? Ten days of surgical strikes and the rockets keep falling on Haifa.
Maybe if they bombed a little less in the north and a bit more in the
limited zone from which these rockets are actually fired, i.e. fought the
actual people firing them, then the rockets may very well stop falling on
Israel.
Currently, how taking out a power station in beirut affects the launch of a
rocket in Southern Lebanon is a mystery. No doubt someone here can explain
the mysterious link between a milk processing plant and rocket fuel,
whatever, it was deemed necessary to destroy the one in Beirut anyway.
If Isreal hit Hezbollah, nobody would have any argument, its the seeming
readiness to extract the maximum pain out of the lebanese civil population
which calls into question Israels motives and intentions in the region.
And as for the idea that there is some limit on when criticism should be
made, that is arrant nonsense, the best and only time to criticise is when
the action in question is occuring, otherwise its just historical debate
occuring when its far to late to do anything about it.
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 05:05:52 AM |
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brique wrote:
Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
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brique wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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"brique"
James should be well pleased with current events, a
minor muslim clreic had a half-ton bomb dropped on his
house taking out both him and all his family plus half
the neighbourhood. He wont be saying 'scary stuff'
again, for sure, and neither will his children!
I notice you decline to name the cleric - probably
because if he was named, we would find he claimed credit
for some very large number of murders.
Thus slaughtering his family and neighbours was a perfectly justified
response....
Nice world you live in James, stay there please.
There's only one good reason to kill somebody, and that's to protect
yourself. People have a right to protect themselves - and more
importantly, people, even the most peace-loving people, are *going* to
protect themselves - and if the only way to do that is to drop bombs on
Nasrallah (to use an example from the current news) *and* Nasrallah's
neighbors and family, then people have got a right to do that, and
they're going to do that, if he's attacking them, as he's attacking the
Israelis. The blood of his neighbors and family is on Nasrallah's
hands, not on the folks who drop bombs on him.
If the State of Israeli had confined themselves to dropping half-ton bombs
on members of hezbollah's homes, then such an argument would have
consistency, if not moral merit.
But if that same State orders the entire population of the south to evacuate
or be bombed, then bombs every bridge and highway, and attacks every convoy,
if that State places destroying the entire national infrastructure above
bombing the alleged 'reason' for its actions. For example, The State of
Israle deemed it necessary to destroy the airport and power supplies,
highway bridges and harbour installations before it bothered to hit the
clearly-marked and well-known HQ building of hezbollah in Beirut. One is
right to question what conceptual framework is guiding this 'response' and
what conclusion is actually desired.
Now, suppose that Nasrallah lives in my apartment building. Someone
bombs my building. Well, long before that happens, I've moved out of
there, because I'm not stupid. And/or, I've hired somebody to take care
of Nasrallah myself, which is analogous to what the Lebanese might have
done, what Israel gave the Lebanese (and the UN for the matter) plenty
of time to do. It was only after it had long since become entirely
clear that nobody was going to take care of Nasrallah and his "party of
God" that Israel started the current campaign.
No, the basis for the State of Israels reaction was the cross-border attack
and capture of Israeli soldiers.
I didn't say what was the basis. I said, suppose I live in the same
building as Nasrallah and Israel starts bombing Nasrallah, which means
it starts bombing my building.
The only reason being given for the attacks
upon Lebanon is the attempt to force recovery of their soldiers.
Obviously false. One simply has to look at the news reports:
[quote]
Elite Israeli troops have been launching small-scale raids in Lebanon
to try to stop Hizbollah, a Shi'ite Islamist group backed by Syria and
Iran, from firing rockets into Israel.
[end quote]
Hezbollah
has said they can have them back, subject to the usual negotiations
regarding prisoner swaps, swaps which have always taken places and are part
of the 'modus operandi' in that area.
Whether a swap is appropriate is for the Israelis to decide. Conditions
may have changed, or the Israelis may have changed their mind as to
what is the best way to protect themselves.
Let's take ordinary kidnappings, say in the US, as a microcosm.
Sometimes you negotiate with the kidnappers, give them money in
exchange for the return of the victim. But sometimes you don't.
And the villagers forcibly evacuated from their village, ordered by Israeli
military to leave and sent up a road in a convoy of cars which was then
bombed by an F-16 ordered to hit all moving traffic..... who was their
neighbour again?
Should they have moved already? Where to? Beirut?
They are in a tough spot. But that does not mean that the Israelis are
going to sacrifice themselves for them.
Yes, the Lebanese are indeed in a tough spot, and the people to blame
for that are the party of God.
Is there some sort of
'megans law' so that murderous terrorists have to put a large sign outside
their houses, to warn neighbours that it may be bombed at some point?
Are you saying it was a secret that the party of God was in southern
Lebanon? That their neighbors did not realize who was living among
them?
Not
necessary, it seems just living nin Lebanon is sufficient 'guilt' for ones
No, the victims of Nasrallah and the party of God are not guilty, they
are innocent victims of the party of God. Most of them, anyway, I'm
sure.
death to be deemed 'a reasonable response'.
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brique:
Unless they say 'scary stuff', in which case james
thinks they should have their head nailed to some
near-by wall and their families should be
exterminated as a warning to other people whoi might
say 'scary stuff'... but done in a loving,
non-threatening manner with full regard for their
property rights, of course....
constantinopoli@gmail.com
How about providing an example.
In context, "scary stuff" referred to such people as Abu
Bakar Bashir, spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah,
who urged indiscriminate murder of westerners, and whose
organization murdered two hundred westerners at a night
club.
Nor did I suggest their families be exterminated as a
warning. Rather I urged that such people be killed
without too much regard for collateral damage, much as
Reagan went after the ruler of Libya, Colonel Gadhaffi,
killing his daughter in the process, with the result
that Gadhaffi abruptly reformed.
Were anyone to employ similar methods, targeting the
head as Reagan did, rather than the hands as Bush does,
as Israel is doing as we speak, I would expect to see a
wave of similar reforms. Why does Sadr still live?
Why does Bashir still live? And why does Prince Abdalah
bin Abd al-Aziz still live?
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali
Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese civilians his
hired killers hide behind, the middle east would quieten
down amazingly.
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of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
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18 Jul 2006 07:49:46 PM |
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"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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brique:
Unless they say 'scary stuff', in which case james
thinks they should have their head nailed to some
near-by wall and their families should be
exterminated as a warning to other people whoi might
say 'scary stuff'... but done in a loving,
non-threatening manner with full regard for their
property rights, of course....
constantinopoli@gmail.com
How about providing an example.
In context, "scary stuff" referred to such people as Abu
Bakar Bashir, spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah,
who urged indiscriminate murder of westerners, and whose
organization murdered two hundred westerners at a night
club.
Nor did I suggest their families be exterminated as a
warning. Rather I urged that such people be killed
without too much regard for collateral damage, much as
Reagan went after the ruler of Libya, Colonel Gadhaffi,
killing his daughter in the process, with the result
that Gadhaffi abruptly reformed.
Were anyone to employ similar methods, targeting the
head as Reagan did, rather than the hands as Bush does,
as Israel is doing as we speak, I would expect to see a
wave of similar reforms. Why does Sadr still live?
Why does Bashir still live? And why does Prince Abdalah
bin Abd al-Aziz still live?
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali
Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese civilians his
hired killers hide behind, the middle east would quieten
down amazingly.
NOPE. Another mopre rabid nutcsase would take his place.
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18 Jul 2006 07:56:34 PM |
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"James A. Donald"
If Israel killed the Supreme Leader of Iran,
Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the
Lebanese civilians his hired killers hide behind,
the middle east would quieten down amazingly.
"Morton Davis"
NOPE. Another mopre rabid nutcsase would take his
place.
Worked in Libya.
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of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
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18 Jul 2006 09:02:00 PM |
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Ann Coulter is a sexual athelete.
James A. Donald wrote:
"James A. Donald"
If Israel killed the Supreme Leader of Iran,
Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the
Lebanese civilians his hired killers hide behind,
the middle east would quieten down amazingly.
"Morton Davis"
NOPE. Another mopre rabid nutcsase would take his
place.
Worked in Libya.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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18 Jul 2006 07:51:32 PM |
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Rumor has it that Ann Coulter has s tight *****.
Morton Davis wrote:
"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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brique:
Unless they say 'scary stuff', in which case james
thinks they should have their head nailed to some
near-by wall and their families should be
exterminated as a warning to other people whoi might
say 'scary stuff'... but done in a loving,
non-threatening manner with full regard for their
property rights, of course....
constantinopoli@gmail.com
How about providing an example.
In context, "scary stuff" referred to such people as Abu
Bakar Bashir, spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah,
who urged indiscriminate murder of westerners, and whose
organization murdered two hundred westerners at a night
club.
Nor did I suggest their families be exterminated as a
warning. Rather I urged that such people be killed
without too much regard for collateral damage, much as
Reagan went after the ruler of Libya, Colonel Gadhaffi,
killing his daughter in the process, with the result
that Gadhaffi abruptly reformed.
Were anyone to employ similar methods, targeting the
head as Reagan did, rather than the hands as Bush does,
as Israel is doing as we speak, I would expect to see a
wave of similar reforms. Why does Sadr still live?
Why does Bashir still live? And why does Prince Abdalah
bin Abd al-Aziz still live?
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali
Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese civilians his
hired killers hide behind, the middle east would quieten
down amazingly.
NOPE. Another mopre rabid nutcsase would take his place.
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18 Jul 2006 11:50:13 PM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:jmnqb2hlhf483nb0775i9je51ktelf18cn@4ax.com...
brique:
Unless they say 'scary stuff', in which case james
thinks they should have their head nailed to some
near-by wall and their families should be
exterminated as a warning to other people whoi might
say 'scary stuff'... but done in a loving,
non-threatening manner with full regard for their
property rights, of course....
constantinopoli@gmail.com
How about providing an example.
In context, "scary stuff" referred to such people as Abu
Bakar Bashir, spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah,
who urged indiscriminate murder of westerners, and whose
organization murdered two hundred westerners at a night
club.
Nor did I suggest their families be exterminated as a
warning. Rather I urged that such people be killed
without too much regard for collateral damage, much as
Reagan went after the ruler of Libya, Colonel Gadhaffi,
killing his daughter in the process, with the result
that Gadhaffi abruptly reformed.
Were anyone to employ similar methods, targeting the
head as Reagan did, rather than the hands as Bush does,
as Israel is doing as we speak, I would expect to see a
wave of similar reforms. Why does Sadr still live?
Why does Bashir still live? And why does Prince Abdalah
bin Abd al-Aziz still live?
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali
Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese civilians his
hired killers hide behind, the middle east would quieten
down amazingly.
James, you have changed your opinion, a few months ago, you contended that
not enough muslims were being killed in sufficiently dreadful manner to
encourage more moderate thinking amongst the survivors. Now you contend that
it is the wrong kind of muslim that is being killed. Are you turning into a
liberal?
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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19 Jul 2006 04:44:19 AM |
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James A. Donald
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah
Ali Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese
civilians his hired killers hide behind, the middle
east would quieten down amazingly.
"brique"
James, you have changed your opinion, a few months
ago, you contended that not enough muslims were being
killed in sufficiently dreadful manner to encourage
more moderate thinking amongst the survivors.
liar
I said then, and say now, that not enough of the right
muslims are being killed in sufficiently dreadful
manner.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "brique" |
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20 Jul 2006 11:00:16 AM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah
Ali Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese
civilians his hired killers hide behind, the middle
east would quieten down amazingly.
"brique"
James, you have changed your opinion, a few months
ago, you contended that not enough muslims were being
killed in sufficiently dreadful manner to encourage
more moderate thinking amongst the survivors.
liar
I said then, and say now, that not enough of the right
muslims are being killed in sufficiently dreadful
manner.
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to convert)... that would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how convenient.....
--
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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20 Jul 2006 02:00:33 PM |
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brique wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:vivrb2lu82012ms2cgob75skfegerlh79d@4ax.com...
James A. Donald
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah
Ali Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese
civilians his hired killers hide behind, the middle
east would quieten down amazingly.
"brique"
James, you have changed your opinion, a few months
ago, you contended that not enough muslims were being
killed in sufficiently dreadful manner to encourage
more moderate thinking amongst the survivors.
liar
I said then, and say now, that not enough of the right
muslims are being killed in sufficiently dreadful
manner.
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to convert)... that would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how convenient.....
Rather, according to many muslims (and you know who they are because
they loudly state their views), that's what Islam demands. They're the
only ones who are a threat, the only ones who need to be dealt with one
way or another. The vast majority of muslims are not any sort of
threat.
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21 Jul 2006 12:01:06 AM |
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153422033.895306.155920@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
brique wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:vivrb2lu82012ms2cgob75skfegerlh79d@4ax.com...
James A. Donald
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah
Ali Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese
civilians his hired killers hide behind, the middle
east would quieten down amazingly.
"brique"
James, you have changed your opinion, a few months
ago, you contended that not enough muslims were being
killed in sufficiently dreadful manner to encourage
more moderate thinking amongst the survivors.
liar
I said then, and say now, that not enough of the right
muslims are being killed in sufficiently dreadful
manner.
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to convert)... that
would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how convenient.....
Rather, according to many muslims (and you know who they are because
they loudly state their views), that's what Islam demands. They're the
only ones who are a threat, the only ones who need to be dealt with one
way or another. The vast majority of muslims are not any sort of
threat.
Of course the vast majority of muslims will not be any kind of threat, the
intention seems to be to ensure that by the expedient use of mass execution
and castration. 'The only good indian is a dead indian' built the new
fontier in the west, 'the only good muslim is a dead muslim' will build the
new frontier in the east. Eminent domain, better hurry though, before Israel
reaches Tibet in its quest for 'defensible borders'...
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21 Jul 2006 03:14:47 AM |
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"brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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Constantinople <constantinopoli@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153422033.895306.155920@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
brique wrote:
James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:vivrb2lu82012ms2cgob75skfegerlh79d@4ax.com...
James A. Donald
If Israel killed Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah
Ali Hoseini-Khameni, instead of the Lebanese
civilians his hired killers hide behind, the middle
east would quieten down amazingly.
"brique"
James, you have changed your opinion, a few months
ago, you contended that not enough muslims were being
killed in sufficiently dreadful manner to encourage
more moderate thinking amongst the survivors.
liar
I said then, and say now, that not enough of the right
muslims are being killed in sufficiently dreadful
manner.
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to convert)... that
would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how convenient.....
Rather, according to many muslims (and you know who they are because
they loudly state their views), that's what Islam demands. They're the
only ones who are a threat, the only ones who need to be dealt with one
way or another. The vast majority of muslims are not any sort of
threat.
Of course the vast majority of muslims will not be any kind of threat, the
intention seems to be to ensure that by the expedient use of mass
execution
and castration. 'The only good indian is a dead indian' built the new
fontier in the west, 'the only good muslim is a dead muslim' will build
the
new frontier in the east. Eminent domain, better hurry though, before
Israel
reaches Tibet in its quest for 'defensible borders'...
Where do you get this? You may be projecting; just so you know.
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21 Jul 2006 11:30:12 PM |
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Of course the vast majority of muslims will not be
any kind of threat, the intention seems to be to
ensure that by the expedient use of mass execution
and castration. 'The only good indian is a dead
indian' built the new fontier in the west, 'the
only good muslim is a dead muslim' will build the
new frontier in the east. Eminent domain, better
hurry though, before Israel reaches Tibet in its
quest for 'defensible borders'...
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:14:47 GMT, "shrikeback"
Where do you get this? You may be projecting; just so
you know.
It is projection. They are filled with outrage at
entirely imaginary plots to murder certain groups,
because of their intent to murder certain other groups.-
check out the thread "plan to beatify fascist martyrs"
to see what they are projecting - needless to say there
is no evidence that any of these martyrs who were
murdered for their Roman Catholic religious beliefs were
fascists.
When Christians are murdered for their beliefs, they are
supposedly fascists. When Muslims get killed because
they were hanging around in the vicinity of murderers,
they are supposedly victims of a vast plot to
exterminate muslims.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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21 Jul 2006 10:49:11 AM |
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On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to convert)... that
would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how convenient.....
Rather, according to many muslims (and you know who they are because
they loudly state their views), that's what Islam demands. They're the
only ones who are a threat, the only ones who need to be dealt with one
way or another. The vast majority of muslims are not any sort of
threat.
Of course the vast majority of muslims will not be any kind of threat, the
intention seems to be to ensure that by the expedient use of mass
execution
and castration.
Huhwhat??
Where on earth is either of this going on?
While anyone's death is sad, it is an exaggeration to say there is
"mass executions" taking place, much less "castration"!!!
'The only good indian is a dead indian' built the new
fontier in the west, 'the only good muslim is a dead muslim' will build
the
new frontier in the east. Eminent domain, better hurry though, before
Israel
reaches Tibet in its quest for 'defensible borders'...
If Israel were half as bad as idiots claim, she'd've nuked just about every
other country inthe ME by now. And she certainly hassnt done that.
She hasn't even annexed terrotitories she won by beating back her
attackers. That's a pretty lame expansionist policy!!
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 01:52:02 PM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:XH6wg.23$6G3.20@trnddc05...
On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to convert)...
that
would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how convenient.....
Rather, according to many muslims (and you know who they are because
they loudly state their views), that's what Islam demands. They're the
only ones who are a threat, the only ones who need to be dealt with
one
way or another. The vast majority of muslims are not any sort of
threat.
Of course the vast majority of muslims will not be any kind of threat,
the
intention seems to be to ensure that by the expedient use of mass
execution
and castration.
Huhwhat??
Where on earth is either of this going on?
While anyone's death is sad, it is an exaggeration to say there is
"mass executions" taking place, much less "castration"!!!
That was James A Donalds favoured solution for the 'islamic problem'... now
denied but still resplendently esconsed in google-land.
'The only good indian is a dead indian' built the new
fontier in the west, 'the only good muslim is a dead muslim' will build
the
new frontier in the east. Eminent domain, better hurry though, before
Israel
reaches Tibet in its quest for 'defensible borders'...
If Israel were half as bad as idiots claim, she'd've nuked just about
every
other country inthe ME by now. And she certainly hassnt done that.
She hasn't even annexed terrotitories she won by beating back her
attackers. That's a pretty lame expansionist policy!!
Pardon?... check the 1948 borders of the State of Israel with the current
borders, you may notice a few .... modifications.
Apparently, Israeli leaflets being dropped on southern lebanon demand all
civilians move north of a certain river or face being bombed. Of course,
driving on the roads is also seemingly viewed as a terrorist act and thus
will be bombed (in self-defence, of course, there may be a rocket hidden in
the bus full of refugees, or even a box of matches), but, what the hey, its
their own fault for....hummm.... oh yes..... having terrorist neighbours. I
wonder, if the Israleis can't seem to shift Hezbollah with all their
weapons, planes and surgical strikes, and thirty years of shifting has
still failed to deal with their 'palestinian problem', (speaking of which,
suddenly no-one is watching Gaza any more... how convenient), just how were
lebanese farmers supposed to do it?
As for why Israel hasn't nuked other ME countries...probably because their
own radiation would not stop at the border of the nuked country, a rather
nasty case of 'blowback' would probably occur. If you are going to nuke
anyone, its best to choose a nukee in a different hemisphere. I jest,
slightly, nobody says the Israelis are all idiots, but I do say the Israeli
state seems to have a hard-on for military solutions which decades of
experience should surely have shown as not to work. Whether this is because
of the tendency for the military to get so closely involved in politics or
a lack of imagination beyond tomorrows headlines, who can say.
Fact is, any sensible person will recognise that Israel is not going to go
away, equally, neither is Palestine. the two are goign to have to resolve
their situation one day or in a centuries time they will still be at it but
with even more of a 'blood fued' to fuel it
Israels solution seems to be the immiseration of Palestine and their
consequent meek acceptance of an Israeli final say in any actions that state
may wish to carry out. I.E, you can have democracy and elections and your
own legislature, as long it agrees with us. Now, that is a solution, of
sorts, but, hoenstly, if Canada sought to impose a similar relationship upon
the USA, would americans meekly accept it? No, I think not, but its what
some seem to feel is 'right' for Palestine.
The solution to the current nonsense in lebanon is clear. Lebanon should
announce its immediate and unconditional surrender to Israel, invite it to
form an interim administration, invoke the Geneva Conventions on the
treatment of the civilian population in an occupied country then sit back
and say 'Okay, you so smart, you sort it out!' Meanwhile the EU, who funded
the airport, highways and bridges that Israel has deemed it necessary to
destroy should ask for a refund.
Susan
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21 Jul 2006 11:59:55 PM |
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James A. Donald:
Where on earth is either of this going on? While
anyone's death is sad, it is an exaggeration to say
there is "mass executions" taking place, much less
"castration"!!!
"brique"
That was James A Donalds favoured solution for the
'islamic problem'
liar
--
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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22 Jul 2006 07:35:51 AM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
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James A. Donald:
Where on earth is either of this going on? While
anyone's death is sad, it is an exaggeration to say
there is "mass executions" taking place, much less
"castration"!!!
"brique"
That was James A Donalds favoured solution for the
'islamic problem'
liar
What's up James? if you choose to promote genocidal solutions to your
paranoiac prejudices, why so shy of admitting them? Nobody is going to think
any worse of you if you do. Nobody could.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| Title: Re: No One Can Be As Contemptible As Ann Coulter |
21 Jul 2006 04:24:23 PM |
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On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:XH6wg.23$6G3.20@trnddc05...
On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to convert)...
that
would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how
convenient.....
Rather, according to many muslims (and you know who they are because
they loudly state their views), that's what Islam demands. They're
the
only ones who are a threat, the only ones who need to be dealt with
one
way or another. The vast majority of muslims are not any sort of
threat.
Of course the vast majority of muslims will not be any kind of threat,
the
intention seems to be to ensure that by the expedient use of mass
execution
and castration.
Huhwhat??
Where on earth is either of this going on?
While anyone's death is sad, it is an exaggeration to say there is
"mass executions" taking place, much less "castration"!!!
That was James A Donalds favoured solution for the 'islamic problem'...
now
denied but still resplendently esconsed in google-land.
'The only good indian is a dead indian' built the new
fontier in the west, 'the only good muslim is a dead muslim' will
build
the
new frontier in the east. Eminent domain, better hurry though, before
Israel
reaches Tibet in its quest for 'defensible borders'...
If Israel were half as bad as idiots claim, she'd've nuked just about
every
other country inthe ME by now. And she certainly hassnt done that.
She hasn't even annexed terrotitories she won by beating back her
attackers. That's a pretty lame expansionist policy!!
Pardon?... check the 1948 borders of the State of Israel with the current
borders, you may notice a few .... modifications.
Ever hear of a few dates like 56, 67, 73 - yo uknow, when Israel was
attacked, and fought her enemies back?
Apparently, Israeli leaflets being dropped on southern lebanon demand all
civilians move north of a certain river or face being bombed.
IOW, unlike her enemies, Israel gives warnings when she is forced to attack.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention: it
Of course,
driving on the roads is also seemingly viewed as a terrorist act
After a certain point, I can well imagine why Israel would be forced to
think so, yes.
and thus
will be bombed (in self-defence, of course, there may be a rocket hidden
in
the bus full of refugees, or even a box of matches),
Considering that they've done that, and put them in ambulances, too,
again, I can imagine Israel being forced tothink so.
but, what the hey,
its
their own fault for....hummm.... oh yes..... having terrorist neighbours.
If they could throw out the Syrians ,they could throw out Hexbollah.
And if they couldn't. they could have asked for help.
Who do you think would have refused to thelp them?
I
wonder, if the Israleis can't seem to shift Hezbollah with all their
weapons, planes and surgical strikes, and thirty years of shifting has
still failed to deal with their 'palestinian problem',
Yeah, imagine that: using the minimal response & trusting the
Palestinains to live up to their word when it comes to peace treaties
they've signed have done nothing - and yet people still shriek at
whatever Israel does to try to get rid of the problem.
(speaking of which,
suddenly no-one is watching Gaza any more... how convenient),
For the Palestinians, yes, since they did exactly what many of us
predicted they would with their new land: made it into a base of
operations from which to attack israel
just how
were
lebanese farmers supposed to do it?
As for why Israel hasn't nuked other ME countries...probably because their
own radiation would not stop at the border of the nuked country, a rather
nasty case of 'blowback' would probably occur.
I was speaking almost facetiously.
The point is that Israel could have destroyed them long agao, and did not.
If you are going to nuke
anyone, its best to choose a nukee in a different hemisphere. I jest,
slightly, nobody says the Israelis are all idiots, but I do say the
Israeli
state seems to have a hard-on for military solutions which decades of
experience should surely have shown as not to work.
Probably because peace talks & negotiations have worked even less
Yes, they should use stronger responses instead of measured ones.
Whether this is
because
of the tendency for the military to get so closely involved in politics
or
a lack of imagination beyond tomorrows headlines, who can say.
Fact is, any sensible person will recognise that Israel is not going to go
away, equally, neither is Palestine. the two are goign to have to resolve
their situation one day or in a centuries time they will still be at it
but
with even more of a 'blood fued' to fuel it
This is why Israel has always agreed to peace talks & negotiations
which the Palestinains inevitably spit on, sometimes even after they
sign the agreements.
Israels solution seems to be the immiseration of Palestine and their
consequent meek acceptance of an Israeli final say in any actions that
state
may wish to carry out. I.E, you can have democracy and elections and your
own legislature, as long it agrees with us.
Amazing how "accepting that we have a right to exist" is, ONLY FOR
ISRAEL considered to be an unreasonable request.
Now, that is a solution, of
sorts, but, hoenstly, if Canada sought to impose a similar relationship
upon
the USA, would americans meekly accept it? No, I think not, but its what
some seem to feel is 'right' for Palestine.
And if Minnie Mouse decided to divorce Mickey, little children would cry.
This was a dumb an empty analogy as I;ve seen lately.
The solution to the current nonsense in lebanon is clear. Lebanon should
announce its immediate and unconditional surrender to Israel, invite it to
form an interim administration, invoke the Geneva Conventions on the
treatment of the civilian population in an occupied country then sit back
and say 'Okay, you so smart, you sort it out!'
Or they could ask the wonderful UN to put its money where its mouth
is and take over.
Meanwhile the EU, who
funded
the airport, highways and bridges that Israel has deemed it necessary to
destroy should ask for a refund.
And they can hold their breath getting it, because they fund terrorists,
too.
Susan
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: No One Can Be As Contemptible As Ann Coulter |
21 Jul 2006 07:01:30 PM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:bCbwg.61$yN3.1@trnddc04...
On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:XH6wg.23$6G3.20@trnddc05...
On 21-Jul-2006, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote:
And, according to you, as Islam demands the 'dhimmification' of
non-beleivers and the slaughter of anyone refusing to
convert)...
that
would
make every muslim the 'wrong' kind of muslim... how
convenient.....
Rather, according to many muslims (and you know who they are
because
they loudly state their views), that's what Islam demands. They're
the
only ones who are a threat, the only ones who need to be dealt
with
one
way or another. The vast majority of muslims are not any sort of
threat.
Of course the vast majority of muslims will not be any kind of
threat,
the
intention seems to be to ensure that by the expedient use of mass
execution
and castration.
Huhwhat??
Where on earth is either of this going on?
While anyone's death is sad, it is an exaggeration to say there is
"mass executions" taking place, much less "castration"!!!
That was James A Donalds favoured solution for the 'islamic problem'...
now
denied but still resplendently esconsed in google-land.
'The only good indian is a dead indian' built the new
fontier in the west, 'the only good muslim is a dead muslim' will
build
the
new frontier in the east. Eminent domain, better hurry though,
before
Israel
reaches Tibet in its quest for 'defensible borders'...
If Israel were half as bad as idiots claim, she'd've nuked just about
every
other country inthe ME by now. And she certainly hassnt done that.
She hasn't even annexed terrotitories she won by beating back her
attackers. That's a pretty lame expansionist policy!!
Pardon?... check the 1948 borders of the State of Israel with the
current
borders, you may notice a few .... modifications.
Ever hear of a few dates like 56, 67, 73 - yo uknow, when Israel was
attacked, and fought her enemies back?
Apparently, Israeli leaflets being dropped on southern lebanon demand
all
civilians move north of a certain river or face being bombed.
IOW, unlike her enemies, Israel gives warnings when she is forced to
attack.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention: it
Of course,
driving on the roads is also seemingly viewed as a terrorist act
After a certain point, I can well imagine why Israel would be forced to
think so, yes.
and thus
will be bombed (in self-defence, of course, there may be a rocket hidden
in
the bus full of refugees, or even a box of matches),
Considering that they've done that, and put them in ambulances, too,
again, I can imagine Israel being forced tothink so.
but, what the hey,
its
their own fault for....hummm.... oh yes..... having terrorist
neighbours.
If they could throw out the Syrians ,they could throw out Hexbollah.
And if they couldn't. they could have asked for help.
Who do you think would have refused to thelp them?
I
wonder, if the Israleis can't seem to shift Hezbollah with all their
weapons, planes and surgical strikes, and thirty years of shifting has
still failed to deal with their 'palestinian problem',
Yeah, imagine that: using the minimal response & trusting the
Palestinains to live up to their word when it comes to peace treaties
they've signed have done nothing - and yet people still shriek at
whatever Israel does to try to get rid of the problem.
(speaking of which,
suddenly no-one is watching Gaza any more... how convenient),
For the Palestinians, yes, since they did exactly what many of us
predicted they would with their new land: made it into a base of
operations from which to attack israel
just how
were
lebanese farmers supposed to do it?
As for why Israel hasn't nuked other ME countries...probably because
their
own radiation would not stop at the border of the nuked country, a
rather
nasty case of 'blowback' would probably occur.
I was speaking almost facetiously.
The point is that Israel could have destroyed them long agao, and did not.
If you are going to nuke
anyone, its best to choose a nukee in a different hemisphere. I jest,
slightly, nobody says the Israelis are all idiots, but I do say the
Israeli
state seems to have a hard-on for military solutions which decades of
experience should surely have shown as not to work.
Probably because peace talks & negotiations have worked even less
Yes, they should use stronger responses instead of measured ones.
Whether this is
because
of the tendency for the military to get so closely involved in politics
or
a lack of imagination beyond tomorrows headlines, who can say.
Fact is, any sensible person will recognise that Israel is not going to
go
away, equally, neither is Palestine. the two are goign to have to
resolve
their situation one day or in a centuries time they will still be at it
but
with even more of a 'blood fued' to fuel it
This is why Israel has always agreed to peace talks & negotiations
which the Palestinains inevitably spit on, sometimes even after they
sign the agreements.
Israels solution seems to be the immiseration of Palestine and their
consequent meek acceptance of an Israeli final say in any actions that
state
may wish to carry out. I.E, you can have democracy and elections and
your
own legislature, as long it agrees with us.
Amazing how "accepting that we have a right to exist" is, ONLY FOR
ISRAEL considered to be an unreasonable request.
Now, that is a solution, of
sorts, but, hoenstly, if Canada sought to impose a similar relationship
upon
the USA, would americans meekly accept it? No, I think not, but its what
some seem to feel is 'right' for Palestine.
And if Minnie Mouse decided to divorce Mickey, little children would cry.
This was a dumb an empty analogy as I;ve seen lately.
The solution to the current nonsense in lebanon is clear. Lebanon should
announce its immediate and unconditional surrender to Israel, invite it
to
form an interim administration, invoke the Geneva Conventions on the
treatment of the civilian population in an occupied country then sit
back
and say 'Okay, you so smart, you sort it out!'
Or they could ask the wonderful UN to put its money where its mouth
is and take over.
Meanwhile the EU, who
funded
the airport, highways and bridges that Israel has deemed it necessary to
destroy should ask for a refund.
And they can hold their breath getting it, because they fund terrorists,
too.
Susan
Alas, your response is indicative of the problem, neither side will trust
the other and can produce myriad reasonings why such trust is not warranted
and thus normal service is resumed with the requisite number of dead and
maimed innocents on both sides.
Meanwhile the power-hungry trade on that fear to bolster their power and
control, the continuance of the impasse feeding that which feeds them.
The only possible solution under such a mind-set is the eventual
extermination of one side or the other which in itself, then justifies the
mindset that it be the other side that gets exterminated first for it can
not be trusted to exist for its very existence is a threat.
Ireland managed 700 years of such nonsense, a nonsense which still stirs
dark hatreds and suspicions even now when the guns have fallen silent. How
long do you think the Middle East can tolerate it?
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