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"Not-easily-duped" |
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26 Nov 2003 06:22:06 PM |
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No Pig Jew Should Have Two Ears |
Our problem today is not separation of church and state, but infiltration of
the religion of Secularism into the schools and the corresponding exclusion of
Christianity.
This is where your interpretation of separation and state leads. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS COMING.
Our problem is that state is not properly defined from God's perpective
nor is defined Church and then they want us to separate which were already
separated by divine wisdom AND by seperation they only mean OPPOSITION.
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Could that be seen as state interference in religious matters? No
SHOULD A BISHOP ALSO BE A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL? NO
Could that be seen as a separation of state and Church? No
WHAT IS REALLY MEANT BY SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE? THAT IS THE
REAL ISSUE.
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Cut off their left ears as a mark of their impious dealing.
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| User: "Del Travis" |
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| Title: Muslims worship a "pile of bricks" in Mecca |
26 Nov 2003 06:21:15 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0311261622.43fc0da8@posting.google.com...
Our problem today is not separation of church and state, but infiltration
of
the religion of Secularism into the schools and the corresponding
exclusion of
Christianity.
This is where your interpretation of separation and state leads. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS COMING.
Our problem is that state is not properly defined from God's perpective
nor is defined Church and then they want us to separate which were
already
separated by divine wisdom AND by seperation they only mean OPPOSITION.
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Depends. If we're talking about the "moon god" exemplified by a "pile of
bricks" in Mecca, the answer is NO.
If we're taling about the REAL God, the answer is YES.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: Muslims worship a "pile of bricks" in Mecca |
01 Dec 2003 06:31:20 PM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> thought hard and said:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0311261622.43fc0da8@posting.google.com...
Our problem today is not separation of church and state, but infiltration
of
the religion of Secularism into the schools and the corresponding
exclusion of
Christianity.
This is where your interpretation of separation and state leads. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS COMING.
Our problem is that state is not properly defined from God's perpective
nor is defined Church and then they want us to separate which were
already
separated by divine wisdom AND by seperation they only mean OPPOSITION.
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Depends. If we're talking about the "moon god" exemplified by a "pile of
bricks" in Mecca, the answer is NO.
If we're taling about the REAL God
Zoroaster?
, the answer is YES.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Michael Nash" |
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| Title: Re: Christians worship a redneck with a "pile of bricks" between his ears in Talibama |
26 Nov 2003 11:38:05 PM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:fbd2de8909443c057e15a840adaacd59@news.teranews.com:
(snip)
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Depends. If we're talking about the "moon god" exemplified by a "pile
of bricks" in Mecca, the answer is NO.
What if we're talking about the Canaanite "sky god" exemplified by a big
rock with a bunch of words carved into it in Alabama?
If we're taling about the REAL God, the answer is YES.
Outstanding. As soon as you primitives get around to figuring out which
one is the "REAL" one, do let us know...
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Michael Nash - aa # 1651
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we
are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Teddy
Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"The Three Branches of Government: Money, Television, and *****." -- P.
J. O'Rourke
"Conservatives want a federal government so small it fits in your
bedroom." -- Brian Westley
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Muslims worship a "pile of bricks" in Mecca |
30 Nov 2003 12:21:12 AM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:fbd2de8909443c057e15a840adaacd59@news.teranews.com...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0311261622.43fc0da8@posting.google.com...
Our problem today is not separation of church and state, but
infiltration
of
the religion of Secularism into the schools and the corresponding
exclusion of
Christianity.
This is where your interpretation of separation and state leads. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS COMING.
Our problem is that state is not properly defined from God's
perpective
nor is defined Church and then they want us to separate which were
already
separated by divine wisdom AND by seperation they only mean
OPPOSITION.
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Depends. If we're talking about the "moon god" exemplified by a "pile of
bricks" in Mecca, the answer is NO.
If we're taling about the REAL God, the answer is YES.
So, who's to say which is the REAL God(TM)? You? Are you the self-proclaimed
sole arbiter of which god is the REAL God(TM)?
And which god is the REAL God(TM)? Vishnu? Odin? Zeus? Caishen? Jupiter?
Inti? Ba'al? Dagon? Ra? Quetzalcoatl? All of these are or were considered
real by those who believe(d) in them.
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Peacenik
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| User: "William S.Hubbard" |
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| Title: Re: Muslims worship a "pile of bricks" in Mecca |
30 Nov 2003 01:33:47 AM |
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The Kaaba is a Borg cube.
"Peacenik" <criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> wrote in message
news:s%fyb.360385$HS4.3011080@attbi_s01...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:fbd2de8909443c057e15a840adaacd59@news.teranews.com...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0311261622.43fc0da8@posting.google.com...
Our problem today is not separation of church and state, but
infiltration
of
the religion of Secularism into the schools and the corresponding
exclusion of
Christianity.
This is where your interpretation of separation and state leads. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS COMING.
Our problem is that state is not properly defined from God's
perpective
nor is defined Church and then they want us to separate which were
already
separated by divine wisdom AND by seperation they only mean
OPPOSITION.
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Depends. If we're talking about the "moon god" exemplified by a "pile
of
bricks" in Mecca, the answer is NO.
If we're taling about the REAL God, the answer is YES.
So, who's to say which is the REAL God(TM)? You? Are you the
self-proclaimed
sole arbiter of which god is the REAL God(TM)?
And which god is the REAL God(TM)? Vishnu? Odin? Zeus? Caishen? Jupiter?
Inti? Ba'al? Dagon? Ra? Quetzalcoatl? All of these are or were considered
real by those who believe(d) in them.
--
Peacenik
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| User: "William S.Hubbard" |
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| Title: Re: Muslims worship a "pile of bricks" in Mecca |
26 Nov 2003 06:33:55 PM |
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Actually it is a Borg cube.
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:fbd2de8909443c057e15a840adaacd59@news.teranews.com...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0311261622.43fc0da8@posting.google.com...
Our problem today is not separation of church and state, but
infiltration
of
the religion of Secularism into the schools and the corresponding
exclusion of
Christianity.
This is where your interpretation of separation and state leads. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS COMING.
Our problem is that state is not properly defined from God's
perpective
nor is defined Church and then they want us to separate which were
already
separated by divine wisdom AND by seperation they only mean
OPPOSITION.
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Depends. If we're talking about the "moon god" exemplified by a "pile of
bricks" in Mecca, the answer is NO.
If we're taling about the REAL God, the answer is YES.
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| User: "Del Travis" |
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| Title: Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think) |
26 Nov 2003 06:31:27 PM |
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"William S.Hubbard" <bill@muniria.com> wrote in message
news:TDbxb.118559$Dw6.544722@attbi_s02...
Actually it is a Borg cube.
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc while the
Muslims have just dirt and rock.
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:fbd2de8909443c057e15a840adaacd59@news.teranews.com...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0311261622.43fc0da8@posting.google.com...
Our problem today is not separation of church and state, but
infiltration
of
the religion of Secularism into the schools and the corresponding
exclusion of
Christianity.
This is where your interpretation of separation and state leads. YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS COMING.
Our problem is that state is not properly defined from God's
perpective
nor is defined Church and then they want us to separate which were
already
separated by divine wisdom AND by seperation they only mean
OPPOSITION.
SHOULD THE CIVIL LAW OR THE LAW OF THE LAND REFLECT GOD'S WILL? YES
Depends. If we're talking about the "moon god" exemplified by a "pile
of
bricks" in Mecca, the answer is NO.
If we're taling about the REAL God, the answer is YES.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think) |
26 Nov 2003 07:43:58 PM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got, if (ex)
judge Moore is to be believed.
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| User: "Del Travis" |
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| Title: The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell. |
26 Nov 2003 09:46:12 PM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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| Title: Re: The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell. |
26 Nov 2003 10:50:06 PM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can
tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
You seem to think health care, freedom, etc. are ordained by your
personal sky daddy. I'm priveledged enough to live in the USA by birth.
This gives me LEGAL citizenship, regardless of my religious (or lack
of) belief.
Bigot.
--
Blast Femur
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"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top
throwing lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so
silly. So primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning
bushes talking to people and guys walking on water. We're
....sophisticated.'"
-Paul Provenza
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell. |
26 Nov 2003 10:13:59 PM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
.....whoooooooosh....
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can
tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
Fortunately for those of us who do live in the US, it isn't a xian
nation. (At least not yet.)
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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| Title: Re: The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell. |
27 Nov 2003 12:01:34 PM |
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Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote in message news:<Xns943FEC5D251B4wodencharternet@216.168.3.44>...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
....whoooooooosh....
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can
tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
Fortunately for those of us who do live in the US, it isn't a xian
nation. (At least not yet.)
And of course those who are trying to make it a xian country are also
trying to make it a lousy country.
What bemuses me to no end is that these fundy bozos boast that this is
a great country and think that this is somehow a criticism of
freethinking folks, while it is the freethinking folk who prevent the
fundy fanatics from turning this country into nothing more than
another hellhole theocracy along the lines of Iran or Afhanistan.
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| User: "Michael Nash" |
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27 Nov 2003 12:05:43 AM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can
tell.
Really? As far as I can tell, the Constitution specifies that America
doesn't belong to the Christians, it belongs to all its citizens
regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
LOL...Better health care, my *****. We're 48th in life expectancy and
42nd in lowest infant mortality rate. America has a great health care
system, it's just a shame that so many Americans don't have access to
it.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/life_expectancy_at_birth_0.html
http://www.photius.com/rankings/infant_mortality_rate_0.html
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
Yes, and while America has its faults it is still a great place to live.
But none of the things that make America such a great place to live have
anything to do with the irrational religious beliefs of those in the
Christian majority. In fact, quite a few of the Christians are
disturbingly hostile to some of the freedoms that make our country so
great, like freedom of religion and the Constitutional separation of
church and state that goes with it.
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." --
Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"The Three Branches of Government: Money, Television, and *****." --
P. J. O'Rourke
"Conservatives want a federal government so small it fits in your
bedroom." -- Brian Westley
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| User: "Al Green" |
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| Title: Re: The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell. |
27 Nov 2003 04:24:32 AM |
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can
tell.
Really? As far as I can tell, the Constitution specifies that America
doesn't belong to the Christians, it belongs to all its citizens
regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
***You are absolutely correct. Separation of Church and state means simply
that the federal government shall enact no laws promoting any religion or
one religion over another. It has absolutely nothing to do with the practice
of religion -- any religion -- by the people who live in the U.S.
***This is U.S. history 101...every kid should have learned this by 10th
grade.
Al
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| User: "Michael Nash" |
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27 Nov 2003 05:15:52 PM |
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"Al Green" <agg@nospam.com> wrote in
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"Michael Nash" <nashmj1971@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can
tell.
Really? As far as I can tell, the Constitution specifies that
America doesn't belong to the Christians, it belongs to all its
citizens regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
***You are absolutely correct. Separation of Church and state means
simply that the federal government shall enact no laws promoting any
religion or one religion over another.
Actually, that's not quite correct - church/state separation applies to
government at all levels, and it applies to any official action that the
government or any elected/appointed official thereof undertakes, as well
as the use of government funding and government-owned facilities. It
also applies to individual religious doctrines, not just to religions in
general...
It has absolutely nothing to do
with the practice of religion -- any religion -- by the people who
live in the U.S.
Actually, it does when you're talking about the practice of religion by
government officials who are performing the official duties of their
position.
***This is U.S. history 101...every kid should have learned this by
10th grade.
Wouldn't that be nice...
--
Michael Nash - aa # 1651
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." --
Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918)
"The Three Branches of Government: Money, Television, and *****." --
P. J. O'Rourke
"Conservatives want a federal government so small it fits in your
bedroom." -- Brian Westley
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| User: "Alan Hobson" |
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01 Dec 2003 05:15:39 PM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com>...
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
You mean Liberia or Vatican City?
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Orhan Orgun" |
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28 Nov 2003 01:14:41 PM |
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"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com>...
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
Fortunately, the xians* do not "have" this country yet. And it is
quite obvious that the moment they "have" it, it will cease to be "the
greatest country on earth." Already, they are busy making the country
as lousy as they can manage.
*This is spceifically referring to the "religious right" assholes of
course. The fact that many of the good folk are also xians is noted;
presumably those would be good folk regardless of their nominal
religious affiliation.
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| User: "Sean C" |
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| Title: Re: The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell. |
27 Nov 2003 12:59:08 AM |
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In article <58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com>, Del
Travis <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote:
"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EJydnTtT7o25y1iiRVn-hg@comcast.com...
"Del Travis" <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote
Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
Compared to other modern democracies, our health care system sucks. And
it's ridiculously overpriced. The pharmaceutical industry is the most
profitable in the US, courtesy of craven politicians who let drug
companies gouge sick people who are desperate enough to pay anything.
What has Christianity done for medical care? Best I can tell, they have
fought medical and scientific progress for the past 2,000 years, the
latest example being the fight over stem-cell research. The Religious
Right throught the Republican Party fights against extending health
care coverage to all Americans, while supporting a Medicare bill that
is little more than corporate welfare for drug companies.
All human progress of the past 200 years has been in spite of, not
because of, religion. Having battled that progress for centuries, the
Christians now show up to take credit for it. *****.
Sean C
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In article <58c80e5bfcaa3468e43cbd3e1039698e@news.teranews.com>, Del
Travis <amity-aaa@mindspring.com> wrote:
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Borg cube was more "advanced" (I think).
I believe it had advanced electronics, lasers, phasers, etc
while the Muslims have just dirt and rock.
That's one better than what the Christians have got ...
The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell.
More prosperity, more freedom, better health care, etc.
Are you priviledged enough to live in the US?
Compared to other modern democracies, our health care system sucks. And
it's ridiculously overpriced. The pharmaceutical industry is the most
profitable in the US, courtesy of craven politicians who let drug
companies gouge sick people who are desperate enough to pay anything.
What has Christianity done for medical care? Best I can tell, they have
fought medical and scientific progress for the past 2,000 years, the
latest example being the fight over stem-cell research. The Religious
Right throught the Republican Party fights against extending health
care coverage to all Americans, while supporting a Medicare bill that
is little more than corporate welfare for drug companies.
The concept of hospitals was invented by Christians during the Byzantine
empire. Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US cities and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
I kindly ask you not to confused the political rants of the lunatic american
religious fringe with what is a genuine Christian pursuit to heal the sick
and suffering and to understand the marvels of this universe and everything
in it.
Scientific truth is God's truth. Plain and simple.
All human progress of the past 200 years has been in spite of, not
because of, religion. Having battled that progress for centuries, the
Christians now show up to take credit for it. *****.
Sean C
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28 Nov 2003 03:55:55 AM |
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In article <T8qxb.34$s8.366@news.on.tac.net>, sonodude
<conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote:
The concept of hospitals was invented by Christians during the Byzantine
empire.
Not quite. The original hospitals were places where people went to die,
usually of plague or other pestilence. Modern hospitals are--in theory,
at least--places where people go to get better.
Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US cities and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
This service is hardly provided on a non-profit basis, the way the
public health systems of other modern democracies are. These hospitals
and the churches that back them have a vested finanical interest in
resisting the adoption of a national health service that would make
health care available to all citizens at a reasonable cost.
I kindly ask you not to confused the political rants of the lunatic american
religious fringe with what is a genuine Christian pursuit to heal the sick
and suffering and to understand the marvels of this universe and everything
in it.
Scientific truth is God's truth. Plain and simple.
Stem cell research is scientific truth. Is that God's truth as well?
How about abortion and birth control? It is a scientific truth that our
planet is overcrowded and poverty is rampant throughout the world
because of it. Is doing something to curtail population growth "God's
truth" or isn't it?
For centuries "God's truth" was the substitute for science. For
centuries, "God's truth" prohibitted men of science from thoroughly
examining the human body and learning things that could stem disease
and cure illnesses of the body. Illnesses of the mind were regarded as
evidence of demonic possession, according to "God's truth." The plague
was caused by the Jews, and spread by cats, who were the familiars of
"witches." Pain was regarded as a good thing, that could promote
"spiritual growth," and Christians fought against the use of
anesthestics in surgery and for the treatment of pain. Even as late as
50 years ago, medical textbooks in this country advised doctors not to
treat pain, as doing so would prevent patients from experiencing the
spiritual growth that comes from enduring the "suffering of Christ."
(Like three hours on the cross is the equivalent of three years with
bone cancer.) This argument is still used to oppose euthanasia, or the
civilized and humane ending of life where life has become intolerable
due to terminal illness.
"God's truth" would be fine, if you just kept it to yourself and let
the rest of us pursue our own truth.
Sean C
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01 Dec 2003 09:45:46 AM |
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"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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In article <T8qxb.34$s8.366@news.on.tac.net>, sonodude
<conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote:
The concept of hospitals was invented by Christians during the Byzantine
empire.
Not quite. The original hospitals were places where people went to die,
usually of plague or other pestilence. Modern hospitals are--in theory,
at least--places where people go to get better.
They went there to die because medicine was not a advanced as now. The
reason those hospitals were created was out of compassion for the suffering
who would otherwise be left on the streets to die. Giving people comfort
and dignity before they die is just as important as whatever medicine we can
administer today.
Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
This service is hardly provided on a non-profit basis, the way the
public health systems of other modern democracies are. These hospitals
and the churches that back them have a vested financial interest in
resisting the adoption of a national health service that would make
health care available to all citizens at a reasonable cost.
This is because theses hospitals have been essential hijacked by
corporations run by individuals who have no sense of piety in there lives.
I only listed them examples of how Christians felt compelled to build them
as part of their philanthropic efforts.
You could also add soup kitchens, homeless shelters, addition centers, youth
centers, woman's shelters, etc, etc, etc.
BTW, I live in Canada where we have this vaunted, so-called "universal"
health care. Let me tell you it is an absolute mess. People are being
denied service and are going to the US to get treatment. Our government, in
its never ending struggle to oppress the people, refuse selective
privatization, refuse user fees to offset cost increases as medicine
evolves, etc. Most of our hospitals (and we do have a ton of them) have
entire wings closed due to cut backs, service consolidations, etc. In
short, Canadians are being denied health care simply because they can pay
for it themselves. If that's not immoral, I don't know what is.
I kindly ask you not to confused the political rants of the lunatic
american
religious fringe with what is a genuine Christian pursuit to heal the
sick
and suffering and to understand the marvels of this universe and
everything
in it.
Scientific truth is God's truth. Plain and simple.
Stem cell research is scientific truth. Is that God's truth as well?
How about abortion and birth control? It is a scientific truth that our
planet is overcrowded and poverty is rampant throughout the world
because of it. Is doing something to curtail population growth "God's
truth" or isn't it?
Its not overpopulation that is the problem per se, but the impact of
population on the planet's ecosystem that is of gravest concern. That said,
it is our western society that is polluting the planet, not the "over
populated" areas in the third world. One person living in the US or Canada
pollutes more than hundreds if not thousands of persons living in the third
world. They are in the state they are because of our glutinous lifestyles
that requires exploitation of the planet and the oppress of the third world.
Those people are a reflection of how we live our lives, a mirror so to
speak. But what your solution? Exterminate their numbers with condoms,
pentobarbital and D&C stations so that we don't have to see their misery and
be reminded that WE put them there. These are human beings, not weeds to be
pulled out of the ground.
For centuries "God's truth" was the substitute for science. For
centuries, "God's truth" prohibitted men of science from thoroughly
examining the human body and learning things that could stem disease
and cure illnesses of the body. Illnesses of the mind were regarded as
evidence of demonic possession, according to "God's truth." The plague
was caused by the Jews, and spread by cats, who were the familiars of
"witches." Pain was regarded as a good thing, that could promote
"spiritual growth," and Christians fought against the use of
anesthestics in surgery and for the treatment of pain. Even as late as
50 years ago, medical textbooks in this country advised doctors not to
treat pain, as doing so would prevent patients from experiencing the
spiritual growth that comes from enduring the "suffering of Christ."
(Like three hours on the cross is the equivalent of three years with
bone cancer.) This argument is still used to oppose euthanasia, or the
civilized and humane ending of life where life has become intolerable
due to terminal illness.
Is suffering that indignant? Do we in the West really suffer at all? Is
it our ultimate accomplishment that Christopher Reeves be able to mount his
thoroughbred stallion and gallop around his immense ranch again? Let me
tell
you something friend, we in the West have NO idea what suffering is; we have
never tasted the anguish that millions throughout the world taste. What's
worse is their suffering can be alleviated by a little compassion (Christian
or otherwise) and help from us. But we won't. We rather thin their numbers
a little. Sinister, to say the least. BTW, how exactly would stem cell
research help these people? Hmmmm . . .
Your comments about the medical textbooks is nonsense. I have a PhD in
pharmacology and toxicology, so I know a little on the subject. The
"bible", if you will, of this area is Goodman and Gilman's "The
Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics" whose first edition was published in
1941 (62 years ago) and there is none of this garbage you state above. I
will go to the library of my medical school and look through some texts in
the archives to see if I can find anything there. I suggest you do the
same.
And yes Scientific Truth is God's Truth. Please allow me to elaborate as it
appears my statement was too broad. There is a difference between Science
and applied science. All Science is noble but how that is applied can be
corrupt. Nuclear Physics, the study of the atom and sub-atomic particles is
noble. Perverting it to create atomic weapons is blasphemy. Organic
Chemistry is noble, but biological and chemical weapons is blasphemy. I
don't think we would be in much disagreement here. Molecular Biology is
noble, but harvesting the carcasses (and the precious stem cells within) of
the unborn is blasphemy. Look, I appreciate the importance of stem cell
research (a colleague of mine is taking certain stem cells (mouse model) and
genetically transforming them in insulin producing pancreatic islet cells .
.. .awesome stuff!!) and the great potential it holds for us. If doctors are
able to get these stem cells from fetuses that spontaneously aborted that
would be one thing, but Science does need a moral compass. This is all that
I am trying to say.
"God's truth" would be fine, if you just kept it to yourself and let
the rest of us pursue our own truth.
Sean C
I wish you peace as you pursue the Truth.
The Dude.
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01 Dec 2003 04:40:16 PM |
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message news:<TmJyb.43$s8.469@news.on.tac.net>...
"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
This service is hardly provided on a non-profit basis, the way the
public health systems of other modern democracies are. These hospitals
and the churches that back them have a vested financial interest in
resisting the adoption of a national health service that would make
health care available to all citizens at a reasonable cost.
This is because theses hospitals have been essential hijacked by
corporations run by individuals who have no sense of piety in there lives.
I only listed them examples of how Christians felt compelled to build them
as part of their philanthropic efforts.
As part of their effort to make a profit you mean.
I don't know too much about the other curches, but
I do know how slimy the Catholic church is when it
comes to money.
Larry
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02 Dec 2003 08:57:49 AM |
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message
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"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
snipage
Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US
cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
This service is hardly provided on a non-profit basis, the way the
public health systems of other modern democracies are. These hospitals
and the churches that back them have a vested financial interest in
resisting the adoption of a national health service that would make
health care available to all citizens at a reasonable cost.
This is because theses hospitals have been essential hijacked by
corporations run by individuals who have no sense of piety in there
lives.
I only listed them examples of how Christians felt compelled to build
them
as part of their philanthropic efforts.
As part of their effort to make a profit you mean.
I don't know too much about the other curches, but
I do know how slimy the Catholic church is when it
comes to money.
Larry
I'm not a roman catholic. But what I can say is that if you don't want to
give any money to them, then don't. And that's the end of it. Try to
protect your property from the government it claims as its own through
ridiculous taxes and you will audited, hauled into a court, have your
personal goods confiscated and lastly you will be incarcerated.
How's that for slimy.
Its funny how it took the west over a 1000 years to wrestle power and
control away from kings and churches, only to turn around hand it over to
the government in less than 50 years. Amazing . . .
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03 Dec 2003 04:34:46 PM |
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message news:<WL1zb.47$s8.542@news.on.tac.net>...
"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message
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"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
snipage
Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US
cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
This service is hardly provided on a non-profit basis, the way the
public health systems of other modern democracies are. These hospitals
and the churches that back them have a vested financial interest in
resisting the adoption of a national health service that would make
health care available to all citizens at a reasonable cost.
This is because theses hospitals have been essential hijacked by
corporations run by individuals who have no sense of piety in there
lives.
I only listed them examples of how Christians felt compelled to build
them
as part of their philanthropic efforts.
As part of their effort to make a profit you mean.
I don't know too much about the other curches, but
I do know how slimy the Catholic church is when it
comes to money.
Larry
I'm not a roman catholic. But what I can say is that if you don't want to
give any money to them, then don't. And that's the end of it.
I do not. But I am wary of the way they have monopolized hospitals
in some places, leaving very little choice, especially where abortion
is concerned.
Also they seem to want vouchers to rob the public schools of
their rightful funding. And please do not get me started
about the Nazi's and the molestations.
Try to
protect your property from the government it claims as its own through
ridiculous taxes and you will audited, hauled into a court, have your
personal goods confiscated and lastly you will be incarcerated.
How's that for slimy.
Someone must pay for roads and the common defense. I think that
our givernment should not just sit by and let people starve to
death like the British did during the potato famine.
Its funny how it took the west over a 1000 years to wrestle power and
control away from kings and churches, only to turn around hand it over to
the government in less than 50 years. Amazing
But you do have representation.
Larry
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message
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"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
snipage
Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in
US
cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
This service is hardly provided on a non-profit basis, the way the
public health systems of other modern democracies are. These
hospitals
and the churches that back them have a vested financial interest
in
resisting the adoption of a national health service that would
make
health care available to all citizens at a reasonable cost.
This is because theses hospitals have been essential hijacked by
corporations run by individuals who have no sense of piety in there
lives.
I only listed them examples of how Christians felt compelled to
build
them
as part of their philanthropic efforts.
As part of their effort to make a profit you mean.
I don't know too much about the other curches, but
I do know how slimy the Catholic church is when it
comes to money.
Larry
I'm not a roman catholic. But what I can say is that if you don't want
to
give any money to them, then don't. And that's the end of it.
I do not. But I am wary of the way they have monopolized hospitals
in some places, leaving very little choice, especially where abortion
is concerned.
There are around 1 million abortions performed every year in the USA and it
is the only medical procedure that a minor can have done without parental
consent. So I find it extremely hard to believe that abortions are hard to
come by.
Also they seem to want vouchers to rob the public schools of
their rightful funding. And please do not get me started
about the Nazi's and the molestations.
School vouchers are a bad idea because even if you don't have children, you
still benefit from a public school system. On the other hand, if I was a
christian parent and the only local public school was barackated with razor
wire and the students are forced to learn about islam and are told to
observe ramadan, then I would seriously consider a private school option,
christian or secular. If I did, I should receive some credit for opting
out.
Its controversial issue to say the least.
As for the molestations, its disgusting to say the least. I'm strongly
anti-death penalty, but about the only time I would consider it is when
these animals do those horrible things to the children. Unfortunatley,
within the roman church, it is still pervasive today. What can you expect
though when the roman church allowed the priesthood to be overun by
homosexual pedophiliacs. To contrast, how many pedophilia scandals have
rocked the Boy Scouts? Hmmmm . . . .
Try to
protect your property from the government it claims as its own through
ridiculous taxes and you will audited, hauled into a court, have your
personal goods confiscated and lastly you will be incarcerated.
How's that for slimy.
Someone must pay for roads and the common defense. I think that
our givernment should not just sit by and let people starve to
death like the British did during the potato famine.
I'm not oppose to all taxes, just the rediculous amounts that we are taxed.
I live in Ontario, Canada. At the end of the year, you are lucky if you get
to hold onto 40% of your income. Roads, basic schooling, military, some
sort of welfare net are fine. These services used to better 30-40 years ago
and the tax burden was much less. What happened? Do we need the government
involved in the arts? Do we need to send billions to developed nations like
Israel? Do we need to station troops, nukes and CIA cells all over the
planet? Politicians used to brown bag their lunches, now they take limos to
fancy restaurants. The waste of your money by government is absolutley
horendous. And so on . . .
I don't think we are much dissagreement here, are we?
Its funny how it took the west over a 1000 years to wrestle power and
control away from kings and churches, only to turn around hand it over
to
the government in less than 50 years. Amazing
But you do have representation.
In theory, that would be nice. But do I? Do you?
In Canada, our senators are not even elected, but appointed from within the
goverment. Can you believe it ???
I'd rather represent myself. I read a great idea on the net. Replace
congress with e-voting. We have the technology, and you unfortunate
Americans won't have to go through another 'dimpled-chad" fiasco again.
Larry
Thanks for the interesting debate.
- The Dude -
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:45:34 -0500, "sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ>
wrote:
"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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about the Nazi's and the molestations.
School vouchers are a bad idea because even if you don't have children, you
still benefit from a public school system. On the other hand, if I was a
christian parent and the only local public school was barackated with razor
wire and the students are forced to learn about islam
Why shouldn't they learn about Islam? Is ignorance better?
and are told to
observe ramadan,
Never happened.
then I would seriously consider a private school option,
christian or secular. If I did, I should receive some credit for opting
out.
Its controversial issue to say the least.
Not if one sticks to the truth.
As for the molestations, its disgusting to say the least. I'm strongly
anti-death penalty, but about the only time I would consider it is when
these animals do those horrible things to the children. Unfortunatley,
within the roman church, it is still pervasive today. What can you expect
though when the roman church allowed the priesthood to be overun by
homosexual pedophiliacs. To contrast, how many pedophilia scandals have
rocked the Boy Scouts? Hmmmm . . . .
Yet another bigot - What a surprise.
snip
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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04 Dec 2003 01:23:45 PM |
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:45:34 -0500, "sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ>
wrote:
"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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about the Nazi's and the molestations.
School vouchers are a bad idea because even if you don't have children,
you
still benefit from a public school system. On the other hand, if I was a
christian parent and the only local public school was barackated with
razor
wire and the students are forced to learn about islam
Why shouldn't they learn about Islam? Is ignorance better?
What happened to separation or church and state? If these students or their
parents want to learn more about Islam, they can go to a library or mosque
and get info there. These students can even discuss Islam with their muslim
classmates of they want. But why are these public schools (aka the
government) promoting religion? Or is it just certain faiths you want to
see out of schools.
and are told to
observe ramadan,
Never happened.
Really?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35809
An isolated incident perhaps, but if the students were encouraged to
participate in a Christian fast, well, I don't have to tell you about the
deafening uproar that would ensue.
then I would seriously consider a private school option,
christian or secular. If I did, I should receive some credit for opting
out.
Its controversial issue to say the least.
Not if one sticks to the truth.
Which truth? That private schools do a better job of educating students?
That students from private schools, on average, get better jobs, earn higher
wages and pay more taxes that then help fund the public schools? Which
truth were you referring to?
Public schools used to do a good job, when they were run by local boards.
As a Canadian, I came from the public school system (grade through high) and
it was fine program. But over the years our big government grabbed control
from the local school boards, slashed transfer payments and centralized it
(more akin to the US Department of Education) and now its a shadow of its
former self. Even the catholic schools supported the public teachers and
municipal boards, but alas, there is no stopping the big red machine. My
father-in-law was a high school teacher for over 30 years. He campaigned,
he wrote letters, he marched, but eventually took an early retirement
because he just couldn't watch the system degrade further in the hands of
the government.
As for the molestations, its disgusting to say the least. I'm strongly
anti-death penalty, but about the only time I would consider it is when
these animals do those horrible things to the children. Unfortunately,
within the roman church, it is still pervasive today. What can you
expect
though when the roman church allowed the priesthood to be overrun by
homosexual pedophiliacs. To contrast, how many pedophilia scandals have
rocked the Boy Scouts? Hmmmm . . . .
Yet another bigot - What a surprise.
No. I asked a specific question. How many scandals? The Boy Scouts are
*very* careful about who gets to be troop leaders. The roman church,
because it has
this bizarre policy of celibacy in the priesthood, has lead to a shortage
and are allowing anyone who shows up for the job; and look at what's
happened. Now if I was a pedophile and I wanted unsupervised access to
children, what job would I seek? And I am sorry, but there is a gender bias
to pedophilia. Most molesters are males and most of those seek young boys.
At least this is what I am aware of. I don't have any references off hand.
If you have something on this demographic, I'd like to read it.
It is unjust that a qualified person, who grew up in the scout program, can
be denied this leadership role, simply because he was gay. But if
"orientation" profiling will spare children the horrors of molestation, I'd
rather see the kids protected. Now, if it can be demonstrated that
profiling does not prevent these molestations, I would rethink me position.
Until then, the question still remains . . . How many scandals?
bigot: (Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.) n
: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his
own.
My opinions are just that, mine. So naturally I would favour them. I may
have my prejudices, but if profiling can protect our children, well I have
to admit, I have a hard time arguing against it. You can call that bigotry
if you feel compelled to do so.
snip
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| Title: Re: The Christians have the greatest country on earth, as far as I can tell. |
02 Dec 2003 01:00:09 AM |
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YES IN AMERICA(WEST) WE BUILD HOSPITALS, SHELTERS, FOOD KITCHENS, HOUSES TO
LIVE IN, , BUILDINGS TO WORK IN ETC. IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD THEY BUILD
MADRASASES, MOSQUES TO STUDY TO DESTROY THOSE THAT THE WEST BUILDS.
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Peter
http://atcoalition.showsit.info/
http://main.faithfreedom.org/
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.
"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message
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"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US
cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
This service is hardly provided on a non-profit basis, the way the
public health systems of other modern democracies are. These hospitals
and the churches that back them have a vested financial interest in
resisting the adoption of a national health service that would make
health care available to all citizens at a reasonable cost.
This is because theses hospitals have been essential hijacked by
corporations run by individuals who have no sense of piety in there
lives.
I only listed them examples of how Christians felt compelled to build
them
as part of their philanthropic efforts.
As part of their effort to make a profit you mean.
I don't know too much about the other curches, but
I do know how slimy the Catholic church is when it
comes to money.
Larry
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02 Dec 2003 05:52:48 AM |
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
news:75ab6396.0312011440.62b94ba5@posting.google.com...
"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message
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"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
snipage
Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in US
cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
Excuse me, but are you saying that these are Christian hospitals? Sinai?
Beth Israel? I suppose the Jewish General hospital is also a great Christian
institution?
Just asking.
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| User: "sonodude" |
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02 Dec 2003 08:47:59 AM |
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"ArWeGod" <ArWeGod?@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message
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"sonodude" <conman88@yahoo.comZZZ> wrote in message
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"Sean C" <redhawk@burnspammersalivehvc.rr.com> wrote in message
snipage
Most universities and hospitals in old Europe were built by the
Christian Churches. Look around at all the major hospitals in
US
cities
and
you will see:
St. Elizabeth's Medical Centre
St. Jude Medical
Cedars-Sinai
Presbyterian St. Luke's
Beth Israel Deaconess
Mount Sinai Hospital
Columbia Presbyterian
St. Josheph's Health Care System
. . . and on, and on, and on.
Excuse me, but are you saying that these are Christian hospitals? Sinai?
Beth Israel? I suppose the Jewish General hospital is also a great
Christian
institution?
Just asking.
Nope. I was making the point that most hospitals and other places of
hospice like soup kitchens and shelters were built by people who were
inspired to do so by their faith (Jewish, Christian, etc). I was countering
the point made earlier in the thread where someone said essentially religion
has done nothing but deter and impede science and medicine.
I apologize for the misunderstanding. Thank you for bring out this point of
clarification.
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