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"Leonard Abbott" |
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29 Nov 2007 07:30:29 PM |
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No stone age in N, Europe (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ian=A0Smith?=) |
No stone age in N, Europe
(Ian=A0Smith)
Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
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LEN=3D Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Wall to wall arrow heads would be common especially in England and all
of N, Europe, Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
They are especially ideal for a primitive people. because ot unsanitary
conditions where tropical diseases can multiply causing pandemics. Such
as the bubonic plague that killed 30 million people in Southern
Europe..and did not materialize in the North..
There was no large areas of population in N. Europe until the Great
migration in the 1st and 2nd centuries proving there was no stone age in
N. Europe to speak of..
lenny
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| User: "Robert Weldon" |
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29 Nov 2007 08:21:55 PM |
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"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abbott@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22788-474F67B5-291@storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net...
No stone age in N, Europe
(Ian Smith)
Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
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LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
The survival rate now is much higher than it was in past times, research
what the infant mortality rate was.
And again, there was no global flood, not 4400 years ago, not 10,000 years
ago, not 100,000 years ago.
Wall to wall arrow heads would be common especially in England and all
of N, Europe, Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
They are especially ideal for a primitive people. because ot unsanitary
conditions where tropical diseases can multiply causing pandemics. Such
as the bubonic plague that killed 30 million people in Southern
Europe..and did not materialize in the North..
There was no large areas of population in N. Europe until the Great
migration in the 1st and 2nd centuries proving there was no stone age in
N. Europe to speak of..
lenny
You know, if you read any actual history and science books, and comprehended
what you were reading, you would realize how stupid your postings are.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: No stone age in N, Europe (IanSmith) |
29 Nov 2007 09:14:43 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Robert Weldon"
<rweldon.spamblock@jrpspamblock.ca> bloodied us up with this:
Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
I don't know. Sweat makes a pretty good lubricant...
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: No stone age in N, Europe (IanSmith) |
30 Nov 2007 03:09:03 AM |
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"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abbott@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22788-474F67B5-291@storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net...
No stone age in N, Europe
(Ian Smith)
Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
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LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Wall to wall arrow heads would be common especially in England and all
of N, Europe, Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
They are especially ideal for a primitive people. because ot unsanitary
conditions where tropical diseases can multiply causing pandemics. Such
as the bubonic plague that killed 30 million people in Southern
Europe..and did not materialize in the North.
As usual, nameless, your knowledge is totally
wrong. Bubonic Plague probably came from
Central Asia by way of camel caravans with
infected merchants. It also came from
merchant ships carrying flea carrying rats
and infected sailors and merchants. Are you
saying that the plague didn't hit the British
Isles, France, Germany, etc. or that Northern
Europe only consists of Russia,Denmark,
Sweden, The Netherlands and Finland? Both
Southern and Northern Europe (including
Russia)were hit very hard by the Plague. In
fact, one form of the Plague (there were
three forms) entered through Russia and
moved south. The Plague hit Europe for
the first time in the 14th century when there
were plenty of centers of large populations in
many countries. Millions of people died in both
Northern and Southern Europe.
http://www.american.edu/TED/bubonic.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab94
There was no large areas of population in N. Europe until the Great
migration in the 1st and 2nd centuries proving there was no stone age in
N. Europe to speak of..
lenny
As to there being no Northern European Stone Age:
http://www.travelexplorations.com/boomerangs-used-in-the-stone-age-in-finland.525883-60153.html
http://www.grampusheritage.fsnet.co.uk/EASE%20Finland.htm
http://www.news.wisc.edu/12670
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1334.htm
http://history-world.org/stone_age2.htm
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/001649.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=9569973&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google
http://anthropology.net/2007/05/30/human-sacrifice-in-stone-age-europe/
ghfh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartberg_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardenoisian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Age_Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Scotland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Stone_Age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalithic_art
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lengyel_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsa_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Georgia
Have you read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs
and Steel"? No? I didn't think you had. Your
ignorance is astounding. Tropical diseases in
Stone Age Europe? How about Middle Eastern
ones due to domesticated animals from that
area spreading out into Europe and bringing
their diseases with them.
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| User: "Timothy 1:4a" |
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30 Nov 2007 08:55:39 PM |
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On Nov 30, 4:09 am, "Michelle Malkin" <hypati...@comcast.net> wrote:
"Leonard Abbott" <leonard-abb...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22788-474F67B5-291@storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net...
No stone age in N, Europe
(Ian Smith)Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
-------------------------------------------------
LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Wall to wall arrow heads would be common especially in England and all
of N, Europe, Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
They are especially ideal for a primitive people. because ot unsanitary
conditions where tropical diseases can multiply causing pandemics. Such
as the bubonic plague that killed 30 million people in Southern
Europe..and did not materialize in the North.
As usual, nameless, your knowledge is totally
wrong. Bubonic Plague probably came from
Central Asia by way of camel caravans with
infected merchants. It also came from
merchant ships carrying flea carrying rats
and infected sailors and merchants. Are you
saying that the plague didn't hit the British
Isles, France, Germany, etc. or that Northern
Europe only consists of Russia,Denmark,
Sweden, The Netherlands and Finland? Both
Southern and Northern Europe (including
Russia)were hit very hard by the Plague. In
fact, one form of the Plague (there were
three forms) entered through Russia and
moved south. The Plague hit Europe for
the first time in the 14th century when there
were plenty of centers of large populations in
many countries. Millions of people died in both
Northern and Southern Europe.
http://www.american.edu/TED/bubonic.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=...
There was no large areas of population in N. Europe until the Great
migration in the 1st and 2nd centuries proving there was no stone age in
N. Europe to speak of..
lenny
As to there being no Northern European Stone Age:
http://www.travelexplorations.com/boomerangs-used-in-the-stone-age-in...
http://www.grampusheritage.fsnet.co.uk/EASE%20Finland.htm
http://www.news.wisc.edu/12670
http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1334.htm
http://history-world.org/stone_age2.htm
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/001649.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=9569973&cmd=sh...
http://anthropology.net/2007/05/30/human-sacrifice-in-stone-age-europe/
ghfhhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartberg_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardenoisian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Age_Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Scotland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Stone_Age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalithic_art
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lengyel_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsa_culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Georgia
Have you read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs
and Steel"? No? I didn't think you had. Your
ignorance is astounding. Tropical diseases in
Stone Age Europe? How about Middle Eastern
ones due to domesticated animals from that
area spreading out into Europe and bringing
their diseases with them.
I hope Leonard Abbott is not a troll and will read this and follow
your links. This is just a tiny sample, much less than 1%, of the info
available, but it puts to rest the "Great migration in the 1st and 2nd
century" and really should be enough to make him question his
assumptions.
Evidence like this is why most Christians, just like most non-
Christians, are no longer YEC's. There is nothing in the Bible to
prevent you from believing in an old earth - it is only your
prejudices that do so.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: No stone age in N, Europe (Ian Smith) |
01 Dec 2007 03:19:03 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:55:39 -0800 (PST), "Timothy 1:4a"
<canfanorama@gmail.com> wrote:
I hope Leonard Abbott is not a troll and will read this and follow
your links.
You hope in vain, my friend. Lenny is a troll and nothing but a troll.
This is just a tiny sample, much less than 1%, of the info
available, but it puts to rest the "Great migration in the 1st and 2nd
century" and really should be enough to make him question his
assumptions.
Evidence like this is why most Christians, just like most non-
Christians, are no longer YEC's. There is nothing in the Bible to
prevent you from believing in an old earth - it is only your
prejudices that do so.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: No stone age in N, Europe (IanSmith) |
30 Nov 2007 08:54:04 PM |
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(Leonard Abbott) wrote in news:22788-474F67B5-
291@storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net:
No stone age in N, Europe
(IanSmith)
Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be
wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
-------------------------------------------------
LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Wall to wall arrow heads would be common especially in England and all
of N, Europe, Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
They are especially ideal for a primitive people. because ot unsanitary
conditions where tropical diseases can multiply causing pandemics. Such
as the bubonic plague that killed 30 million people in Southern
Europe..and did not materialize in the North..
There was no large areas of population in N. Europe until the Great
migration in the 1st and 2nd centuries proving there was no stone age
in
N. Europe to speak of..
So, "Lenny."
What fucking University did you get your incredible "knowledge" from? U
of WebTV?
Your choice of Web providers brings, shall we say, issues of credibility
to your argument.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Andy W" |
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01 Dec 2007 04:24:45 AM |
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On 30 Nov, 01:30, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
No stone age in N, Europe
(Ian Smith)Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
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LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Wall to wall arrow heads would be common especially in England and all
of N, Europe, Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
They are especially ideal for a primitive people. because ot unsanitary
conditions where tropical diseases can multiply causing pandemics. Such
as the bubonic plague that killed 30 million people in Southern
Europe..and did not materialize in the North..
There was no large areas of population in N. Europe until the Great
migration in the 1st and 2nd centuries proving there was no stone age in
N. Europe to speak of..
lenny
There was actually a good article on this in New Scientist a few weeks
ago. By combining evidence from paleontology, archaeology and genetics
they've determined that humanity stayed in Africa until about 65 000
years ago, then spread into Asia first, moving into India, China and
then down to Australia by about 50k years ago. Then a second wave
entered Europe about 40k years ago while the Asian migration crossed
into the Americas about 15k years back. And all of this is supported
by a wide range of actual, mutually supporting evidence, whereas all
you've got is crap you made up. Or more likely, someone else made up
and you just copied it.
Andy
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| User: "Davej" |
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29 Nov 2007 08:56:20 PM |
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On Nov 29, 7:30 pm, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
[...] Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you
would have over population at least a 1000 times. We are having
it now and we are only 4400 yrs from the flood [...]
Hey Lenny, "common horse sense" should tell you that there was no
flood. Kangaroos did not float on Noah's boat, and then swim from Mt.
Ararat back to Australia.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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29 Nov 2007 11:38:23 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:56:20 -0800 (PST), Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Nov 29, 7:30 pm, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
[...] Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you
would have over population at least a 1000 times. We are having
it now and we are only 4400 yrs from the flood [...]
Hey Lenny, "common horse sense" should tell you that there was no
flood. Kangaroos did not float on Noah's boat, and then swim from Mt.
Ararat back to Australia.
WebTV = imbecility
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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30 Nov 2007 06:25:02 AM |
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On Nov 30, 1:30 am, (Leonard Abbott) wrote:
No stone age in N, Europe
(Ian Smith)Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
-------------------------------------------------
LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Wall to wall arrow heads would be common especially in England and all
of N, Europe, Cooler places are a better place to multiply the
population,
They are especially ideal for a primitive people. because ot unsanitary
conditions where tropical diseases can multiply causing pandemics. Such
as the bubonic plague that killed 30 million people in Southern
Europe..and did not materialize in the North..
There was no large areas of population in N. Europe until the Great
migration in the 1st and 2nd centuries proving there was no stone age in
N. Europe to speak of..
And a couple of fit guys could have knocked up Stonehenge in an
afternoon..........
Idiot.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: No stone age in N, Europe (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ian=A0Smith?=) |
30 Nov 2007 07:39:57 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:30:29 -0600, Leonard Abbott wrote:
Common horse sense should tell you.
Yah, horses are known for their archaeological expertise...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The men the American people admire most
extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men
they detest most violently are those who try to
tell them the truth.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: No stone age in N, Europe (IanSmith) |
29 Nov 2007 09:13:41 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, (Leonard Abbott)
bloodied us up with this:
No stone age in N, Europe
(IanSmith)
Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
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LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Common horse sense is good for finding hay, not much else. How about some
*real* history?
http://tinyurl.com/y2wl5j
World population is increasing geometrically; its relationship to the
constant of time is hyperbolic, as any normal intelligent *person* would
expect.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Timothy 1:4a" |
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29 Nov 2007 11:45:18 PM |
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On Nov 29, 10:13 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, (Leonard Abbott)
bloodied us up with this:
No stone age in N, Europe
(Ian Smith)
Leonard Abbott wrote:
But the stone age did not last 800,000 yrs if it had there would be wall
to wall arrow heads..
Why? Just how many stone age men do you think there were? Can you
justify your statement?
-------------------------------------------------
LEN= Common horse sense should tell you. in 800,000 yrs you would have
over population at least a 1000 times. We are having it now and we are
only 4400 yrs from the flood ----------------------------
Common horse sense is good for finding hay, not much else. How about some
*real* history?
http://tinyurl.com/y2wl5j
World population is increasing geometrically; its relationship to the
constant of time is hyperbolic, as any normal intelligent *person* would
expect.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Geometric is different than hyperbolic. Actually world population is
increasing much faster now than in most of past history - the
population is doubling every 40 years! Did it always do this? No,
that's easy to prove. If it did...
2007 6,500,000,000
1967 3,250,000,000
1927 1,625,000,000
1887 812,500,000
1847 406,250,000
1807 203,125,000
1767 101,562,500
1727 50,781,250
1687 25,390,625
1647 12,695,313
1607 6,347,656
1567 3,173,828
1527 1,586,914
1487 793,457
1447 396,729
1407 198,364
1367 99,182
1327 49,591
1287 24,796
1247 12,398
1207 6,199
1167 3,099
1127 1,550
1087 775
1047 387
1007 194
967 97
927 48
887 24
847 12
807 6
767 3
727 2
...."Adam and Eve" would have lived in 727 AD.
No, for its first couple of hundred thousand years the human
population was quite low and quite stable. By today's standards it was
very, very slow growth, and very slow spread out of Africa to the rest
of the world.
With today's evidence, it's no longer sensible to believe that people
got started only 6000 years ago. People are digging all over the world
and finding buried stone tools! Why so many? Exactly because they were
used for hundreds of thousands of years. We ARE almost wall to wall
with stone arrowheads, but you have to dig or explore caves to find
them.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: No stone age in N, Europe (Ian Smith) |
30 Nov 2007 12:35:13 AM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Timothy 1:4a" <canfanorama@gmail.com>
bloodied us up with this:
On Nov 29, 10:13 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
World population is increasing geometrically; its relationship to the
constant of time is hyperbolic, as any normal intelligent *person*
would expect.
Geometric is different than hyperbolic. Actually world population is
increasing much faster now than in most of past history - the
population is doubling every 40 years! Did it always do this? No,
that's easy to prove. If it did...
2007 6,500,000,000
1967 3,250,000,000
1927 1,625,000,000
1887 812,500,000
1847 406,250,000
1807 203,125,000
1767 101,562,500
1727 50,781,250
1687 25,390,625
1647 12,695,313
1607 6,347,656
1567 3,173,828
1527 1,586,914
1487 793,457
1447 396,729
1407 198,364
1367 99,182
1327 49,591
1287 24,796
1247 12,398
1207 6,199
1167 3,099
1127 1,550
1087 775
1047 387
1007 194
967 97
927 48
887 24
847 12
807 6
767 3
727 2
..."Adam and Eve" would have lived in 727 AD.
No, for its first couple of hundred thousand years the human
population was quite low and quite stable. By today's standards it was
very, very slow growth, and very slow spread out of Africa to the rest
of the world.
With today's evidence, it's no longer sensible to believe that people
got started only 6000 years ago. People are digging all over the world
and finding buried stone tools! Why so many? Exactly because they were
used for hundreds of thousands of years. We ARE almost wall to wall
with stone arrowheads, but you have to dig or explore caves to find
them.
Good post. I stand corrected. I am sure recent religions have a lot to
do with the population explosion we see today. "Go forth and multiply"
has become "go forth and exponentialize" (is that a word? Hey, I'm a
musician, not a mathematician.) More and more I see those "My family"
decals, always on the back window of a huge SUV, and some reach halfway
across the damn window. The great grandchildren of these people will be
fighting for air to breathe, let alone a decent place to live.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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