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Religions > Atheism |
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"Odysseus" |
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09 Apr 2004 05:59:33 PM |
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NO Such Thing as Human Rights |
From http://www.transtopia.org/quiz.html
"There are no "rights", only privileges granted by entities with
superior mental and/or physical strength. The bigger the difference in
power between two entities, the more precarious the weaker one's
position becomes. These entities can, for example, be individual
people, organizations, countries, or (soon) machines, and the strength
may be anything from big muscles, guns, and nukes to superior
intelligence and psychological insight, but the basic principle is
always the same: "might makes right". Contrary to what some people
like to think, this is not some "fascist" personal preference, but a
fact of life. It is probably also one of the few "eternal" principles;
if there'll still be life in the universe a billion years from now,
this rule will still apply."
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| User: "Jim Austin" |
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| Title: Re: NO Such Thing as Human Rights |
09 Apr 2004 09:07:30 PM |
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Odysseus wrote:
From http://www.transtopia.org/quiz.html
"There are no "rights", only privileges granted by entities with
superior mental and/or physical strength.
Actually, there are "rights." Rights are the power to act unrestrained
by others. Rights are essential to human survival. Rights make life
possible and worth living. Recognition of rights represent terms by
which humans agree to exist peacefully with each other.
The bigger the difference in power between two entities, the more precarious
the weaker one's position becomes.
Unlike other entities, with human beings, no person is so strong and
powerful that a much weaker person cannot reach for a weapon to hurt,
maim or kill the stronger person. This makes peaceful existance among
humans where rights are not recognized precarious.
These entities can, for example, be individual people, organizations,
countries, or (soon) machines, and the strength may be anything from big
muscles, guns, and nukes to superior intelligence and psychological insight,
but the basic principle is always the same: "might makes right".
Actually, it's the other way around: right makes might. Countries
where rights are recognized can, if motivated, produce more machines,
guns and nukes to overwhelm other countries where rights are not
recognized: crush their military, level their cities, starve their
populace.
Contrary to what some people like to think, this is not some "fascist"
personal preference, but a fact of life.
Fascism, along with Nazis and communism, legitimizes aggression.
It is probably also one of the few "eternal" principles; if there'll still be
life in the universe a billion years from now, this rule will still apply."
It is not an eternal principle. It depends upon large numbers of
people believing in ideologies that legitimize aggression and penalize
defense.
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| User: "Odysseus" |
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| Title: Re: NO Such Thing as Human Rights |
10 Apr 2004 06:32:00 PM |
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But who assigns rights? Well, those who are stronger. America is
stronger than Iraq, so we dictate rights to Iraqi's, not the other way
around.
Rights is a man-made concept, and as such, the stronger
man/group/nation get's his way when deciding what is a right and what
is not.
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| User: "Jim Austin" |
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| Title: Re: NO Such Thing as Human Rights |
11 Apr 2004 10:34:06 PM |
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Odysseus wrote:
But who assigns rights?
Rights are derived from human nature and what humans require to
survive.
Well, those who are stronger. America is stronger than Iraq, so we dictate
rights to Iraqi's, not the other way around.
America is stronger because it recognizes rights. Because it
recognizes rights, it develops the material to defeat a more numerous
Iraqi army in 1990. Because Iraq is a backward nations in that it
subscribes to the very philosophy that Odysseus advocates, it gets its
***** kicked whenever facing a foe that recognizes rights.
Rights is a man-made concept,...
Not man-made. Man-derived.
...and as such, the stronger man/group/nation get's his way when deciding
what is a right and what is not.
Non sequitur.
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