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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Fredric L. Rice" |
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31 Jul 2005 10:29:36 PM |
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No wall between Church and State? Here's what happens. |
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| Asked about the Islamic gangs who force women to wear headscarves
| and prevent the sale of alcohol and music, a member of the writers'
| union immediately started trembling. "I'm sorry, I can't talk about
| that. This is a dangerous thing," he said. "I have three kids and I
| love life. The Islamic movement is very hard. Al- Qaeda is not a
| problem here. The Iranian revolution is the problem." The various
| Islamic parties, most of whom spent years of exile from Saddam
| Hussein's Iraq in neighbouring Iran, deny any link to the violence
| and blame al-Qaeda.
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| But officials say that the parties are closely linked to Iran,
| receiving funding and reciprocating with intelligence.
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| Samir Jassim Khadair, a spokesman for the Southern Oil Company in
| Basra, was blunt.
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| "Iran is running Iraq, frankly speaking," he said.
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<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1712774,00.html>
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| User: "fred" |
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| Title: Re: No wall between Church and State? Here's what happens. |
01 Aug 2005 12:01:32 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
| ...
| Asked about the Islamic gangs who force women to wear headscarves
| and prevent the sale of alcohol and music, a member of the writers'
| union immediately started trembling. "I'm sorry, I can't talk about
| that. This is a dangerous thing," he said. "I have three kids and I
| love life. The Islamic movement is very hard. Al- Qaeda is not a
| problem here. The Iranian revolution is the problem." The various
| Islamic parties, most of whom spent years of exile from Saddam
| Hussein's Iraq in neighbouring Iran, deny any link to the violence
| and blame al-Qaeda.
|
| But officials say that the parties are closely linked to Iran,
| receiving funding and reciprocating with intelligence.
|
| Samir Jassim Khadair, a spokesman for the Southern Oil Company in
| Basra, was blunt.
|
| "Iran is running Iraq, frankly speaking," he said.
|
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1712774,00.html>
--bks
Saying "no wall between church and state" is a separationist strawman
rebuttal. It also shows complete disregard for the 1st Amendment's
prohibitions on the federal government's power to address religious
issues.
The bottom line is that separationists seem to be doing their best to
ignore the fact that the Founding Fathers meant for the 10th Amendment
to work with the 1st Amendment to delegate certain powers exclusively
to the states. The reasonable implication with respect to these
amendments is that the states have the power to address religion. This
essay gives the details:
http://www.renewamerica.us/readings/keyes_essay.htm
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| User: "Bret Ludwig" |
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| Title: Re: No wall between Church and State? Here's what happens. |
01 Aug 2005 12:59:16 PM |
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Moreover, he is talking about Iraq, which is not the United States and
is not governed by the United States Constitution.
The Iraqis are going to have an Islamic government. Islam is a simple,
direct, fairly unambiguous religion. Enough of the population believes
in it and enough will kill or die to enforce it that it is going to be
there a while. Converting them to secularism is far less feasible then
converting our own country to secularism: we can't even do that. And
I'm sure you aren't crazy enough to want to convert them to
Christianity.
Personally, I think the United States has no business trying to tell
these people how to live. Let them have their fucked up and brutal form
of government: they will have no other.
The United States has neither the assets, the money, the national
will, nor frankly the stomach nor balls to set the Middle East
straight. In fact given that we put our own homegrown fundamentalist
idiots and their lackeys in power, what moral brief do we have to do
so?
Americans should be focused on setting America straight. That's a
difficult enough job as it is.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: No wall between Church and State? Here's what happens. |
01 Aug 2005 11:39:44 PM |
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Converting them to secularism is far less feasible then
converting our own country to secularism: we can't even do that.
They _were_ a secular State before Bush came in. Women were
actually safe while Saddam was gassing Kurds.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: No wall between Church and State? Here's what happens. |
01 Aug 2005 11:39:42 PM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
| ...
| Asked about the Islamic gangs who force women to wear headscarves
| and prevent the sale of alcohol and music, a member of the writers'
| union immediately started trembling. "I'm sorry, I can't talk about
| that. This is a dangerous thing," he said. "I have three kids and I
| love life. The Islamic movement is very hard. Al- Qaeda is not a
| problem here. The Iranian revolution is the problem." The various
| Islamic parties, most of whom spent years of exile from Saddam
| Hussein's Iraq in neighbouring Iran, deny any link to the violence
| and blame al-Qaeda.
|
| But officials say that the parties are closely linked to Iran,
| receiving funding and reciprocating with intelligence.
|
| Samir Jassim Khadair, a spokesman for the Southern Oil Company in
| Basra, was blunt.
|
| "Iran is running Iraq, frankly speaking," he said.
|
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1712774,00.html>
--bks
Saying "no wall between church and state" is a separationist strawman
rebuttal. It also shows complete disregard for the 1st Amendment's
prohibitions on the federal government's power to address religious
issues.
Sice you're against the Constitutional dictate of seporation of
Church from State, why don't you run off to Iran where you'll find
the political climate more to your liking?
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