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"Jason Spaceman" |
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26 Sep 2004 03:05:45 AM |
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Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
From the article:
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McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader—a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years—also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
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Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
J. Spaceman
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04 Oct 2004 01:54:26 PM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
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McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
JM
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 Oct 2004 02:09:31 PM |
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"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410041058.34e7cdd3@posting.google.com...
snippage
But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
Gee, no freaking kidding.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "VoiceOfReason" |
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05 Oct 2004 05:07:59 AM |
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In the category of "It's enlightening to see someone on a voyage of discovery."
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:<2sdlbeF1jbgpmU1@uni-berlin.de>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410041058.34e7cdd3@posting.google.com...
snippage
But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
Gee, no freaking kidding.
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| User: "AC" |
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05 Oct 2004 12:10:44 AM |
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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark, when the ***** country is filled with actually existing antiquities.
I don't blame them for pocketing the cash of morons wanting to survey a bit
of nothing at all. A lot easier than having to deal with archaeologists
actually wanting to unearth real finds. Maybe I'll claim the Virgin Mary
came to me in a dream and told me that the Apostle John's testicles were
buried somewhere on my property, and see how many of you goofballs come with
cash in hand.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "Chris Thompson" |
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05 Oct 2004 09:49:43 AM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military
zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented
in that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like
McGivern's are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark
existed, these scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the
boat would still be preserved today, thousands of years later.
Moving ice is likely to have swept away any wooden structure,
experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920
_noahs_ark
.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye
Olde Ark, when the ***** country is filled with actually existing
antiquities. I don't blame them for pocketing the cash of morons
wanting to survey a bit of nothing at all. A lot easier than having
to deal with archaeologists actually wanting to unearth real finds.
Maybe I'll claim the Virgin Mary came to me in a dream and told me
that the Apostle John's testicles were buried somewhere on my
property, and see how many of you goofballs come with cash in hand.
Nah.
Now if the Apostle John came to you in a dream and told you where Mary's
testicles were, THEN I'd pay money.
Chris
--
"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and
then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so
as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry
on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that
sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually
on a battlefield." --George Orwell, 1946, "Under Your Nose"
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| User: "J McCoy" |
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05 Oct 2004 10:24:13 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark,
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes? Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
when the ***** country is filled with actually existing antiquities.
Actually, the Turks already know where the Ark is. I stood next to
the road sign. It reads Nuhun Gemesi.
JM
I don't blame them for pocketing the cash of morons wanting to survey a bit
of nothing at all. A lot easier than having to deal with archaeologists
actually wanting to unearth real finds. Maybe I'll claim the Virgin Mary
came to me in a dream and told me that the Apostle John's testicles were
buried somewhere on my property, and see how many of you goofballs come with
cash in hand.
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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06 Oct 2004 06:02:17 AM |
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(J McCoy) wrote in message news:<3f355ee.0410051929.62c73df7@posting.google.com>...<snipped>
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook.
Unless you give a citation (i.e. Title, publisher and date) for this
text book, I think this assertion can be treated as a lie.
Haeckels lies
....is an exageration, as any reasonable reading of the literature will
tell you ...
were
discovered decades ago.
....by scientists working in the field.
Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes?
None. I can state that with absolute certainty. Bearing in mind that
Haeckel was known to have exagerated his findings in the early part of
the 20th century, and that although some text books may have continued
to use his charts (they are, after all very attractive graphics) to
illustrate a point now done using photographs of embryos, any serious
student would have learned that very early in his or her career.
In any case, the appearance of the precursors of gills in mammalian
embryos is only one very small part of the evidence in favour of
evolution. I would not expect anyone to be persuaded of the validity
of any theory by a single piece of evidence. Would you?
Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
<snipped>
You've had many links presented to you which support this claim.
Here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
I quote from the site "However, sufficient evidence exists in support
of evolution to convince 99.85% of America's earth and life scientists
that the theory is valid. Evolution is the key unifying theory that
unifies many different branches of science, from cosmology to
biology."
and
"According to Newsweek in 1987, "By one count there are some 700
scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of
480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to
creation-science..." That would make the support for creation science
among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life
forms at about 0.14%"
Here is a report on a Gallup poll taken of scientists in the USA
http://christianparty.net/gallupcreationscientists.htm
Note "Among scientists, only 5 percent hold the literal Bible view, 40
percent believe in theistic evolution and a majority, 55 percent,
believe in evolution without help from God."
Here is the Institute of Creation Research
http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-a/btg-046a.htm
"If there is so much evidence for creation and against naturalistic
evolution, why do the majority of scientists believe in evolution?
Surely these scientists would become creationists if this evidence was
convincing."
(of course the rest of the page is empty rhetoric)
Note that this refers to polls and studies made in the USA. In Europe
the percentage of scientists who do not accept evolutionary theory is
vanishingly small.
So if you repeat your claim that "you guys keep trying to say that the
majority of scientists are evolutionists. But you never prove that
claim", you are lying.
If you claim that the sources I have quoted are unreliable (and don't
forget that it includes the Institute for Creation Research), you need
to substantiate that claim.
RF
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07 Oct 2004 08:56:34 AM |
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In article <3f355ee.0410051929.62c73df7@posting.google.com> (J McCoy) writes:
<AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
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<> The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
<> Ark,
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<I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
<that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
<discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
<were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes?
OK, I'll bite: how many?
<Man. No wonder
<you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
<evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
Too true. For that matter I know of no readily available proof that the
majority of chemists believe in atoms, or that most doctors believe
in bacteria.
But if the farm's the wager, that's the way I'm betting.
-- cary
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| User: "AC" |
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06 Oct 2004 10:29:03 AM |
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark,
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes? Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over, John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
when the ***** country is filled with actually existing antiquities.
Actually, the Turks already know where the Ark is. I stood next to
the road sign. It reads Nuhun Gemesi.
They, like every other people on Earth, know how to bilk money out of morons
and lunatics.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "J McCoy" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
06 Oct 2004 06:14:27 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm844c.1ud.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark,
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes? Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over, John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
JM
when the ***** country is filled with actually existing antiquities.
Actually, the Turks already know where the Ark is. I stood next to
the road sign. It reads Nuhun Gemesi.
They, like every other people on Earth, know how to bilk money out of morons
and lunatics.
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
06 Oct 2004 08:35:41 PM |
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"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
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Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
DJT
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| User: "J McCoy" |
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07 Oct 2004 07:26:58 PM |
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"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
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Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
Well, I'm saying that in jest, that the textbook author that included
a Haeckel chart in his book got mad when he was exposed and in
response took up a handle name in order to write "you are a sad,
pathetic creature that not even your fellow creationists...."
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these
individuals are scientists. And that's why when you say that the
majority of "scientists" supposedly believe in evolution, well, of
course they do. They've read about these phoney gill slits and phony
embryo charts and so fourth. My fourth grade science textbook even
had piltdown man. Yes, sometimes it takes schools a long time to get
rid of those old rotten textbooks. But the damage was done. How is a
fourth grader going to question Haeckel's charts or Piltdown man, not
knowing anything about the controversy. You're sitting there calling
me names and all I've done in this post was to tell the truth. I
don't see you doing it? Not one evolutionist has brought up the
Haeckel charts. Do you know why? Because they are defending their
junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
JM
DJT
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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08 Oct 2004 02:01:19 PM |
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"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410071631.47c205af@posting.google.com...
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow
Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics
and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
Well, I'm saying that in jest, that the textbook author that included
a Haeckel chart in his book got mad when he was exposed and in
response took up a handle name in order to write "you are a sad,
pathetic creature that not even your fellow creationists...."
Again, what book is that? Full citation please. Or was your claim that
such a book exists simply a "jest"?
snip of bizarre rant
DJT
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Oct 2004 10:27:29 PM |
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:26:58 +0000 in episode
<3f355ee.0410071631.47c205af@posting.google.com> we saw our hero
mccoy@sunset.net (J McCoy):
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com... snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow
Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics
and pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
Well, I'm saying that in jest, that the textbook author that included a
Haeckel chart in his book got mad when he was exposed and in response took
up a handle name in order to write "you are a sad, pathetic creature that
not even your fellow creationists...."
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers for
deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks and even
got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these individuals are
scientists. And that's why when you say that the majority of "scientists"
supposedly believe in evolution, well, of course they do. They've read
about these phoney gill slits and phony embryo charts and so fourth. My
fourth grade science textbook even had piltdown man. Yes, sometimes it
takes schools a long time to get rid of those old rotten textbooks. But
the damage was done. How is a fourth grader going to question Haeckel's
charts or Piltdown man, not knowing anything about the controversy.
You're sitting there calling me names and all I've done in this post was
to tell the truth. I don't see you doing it? Not one evolutionist has
brought up the Haeckel charts. Do you know why? Because they are
defending their junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
Mad? I doubt that. Everybody knows you're a kook.
Not just the majority of scientists accept evolution but the overwhelming,
vast majority. And just because you can find a handful of examples of
mistakes in science doesn't change that a century and a half of evidence
and research all points to evolution.
You can post to Usenet all day long, every day, for the rest of your life
and the evidence won't change to support your silly superstition. Sorry
but that's life.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "AC" |
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08 Oct 2004 11:38:29 AM |
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:26:58 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
Well, I'm saying that in jest, that the textbook author that included
a Haeckel chart in his book got mad when he was exposed and in
response took up a handle name in order to write "you are a sad,
pathetic creature that not even your fellow creationists...."
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these
individuals are scientists. And that's why when you say that the
majority of "scientists" supposedly believe in evolution, well, of
course they do. They've read about these phoney gill slits and phony
embryo charts and so fourth. My fourth grade science textbook even
had piltdown man. Yes, sometimes it takes schools a long time to get
rid of those old rotten textbooks. But the damage was done. How is a
fourth grader going to question Haeckel's charts or Piltdown man, not
knowing anything about the controversy. You're sitting there calling
me names and all I've done in this post was to tell the truth. I
don't see you doing it? Not one evolutionist has brought up the
Haeckel charts. Do you know why? Because they are defending their
junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
I think you're lying. Prove me wrong and provide the name of the textbook.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "Callipygian Nullifidian" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
08 Oct 2004 02:26:25 PM |
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"AC" <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrncmdgud.4rs.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net...
: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:26:58 +0000 (UTC),
: J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
[snip]
: > You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook
publishers
: > for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy
textbooks
: > and even got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these
: > individuals are scientists. And that's why when you say that the
: > majority of "scientists" supposedly believe in evolution, well, of
: > course they do. They've read about these phoney gill slits and
phony
: > embryo charts and so fourth. My fourth grade science textbook
even
: > had piltdown man. Yes, sometimes it takes schools a long time to
get
: > rid of those old rotten textbooks. But the damage was done. How
is a
: > fourth grader going to question Haeckel's charts or Piltdown man,
not
: > knowing anything about the controversy. You're sitting there
calling
: > me names and all I've done in this post was to tell the truth. I
: > don't see you doing it? Not one evolutionist has brought up the
: > Haeckel charts. Do you know why? Because they are defending
their
: > junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
:
: I think you're lying. Prove me wrong and provide the name of the
textbook.
Sadly, I don't think he's "lying", he's just full of *****. Hey
dingleberry! When were you in fourth grade? The hoax came to light
in the early '50s, so you could easily have had a textbook that wasn't
up to date into the '60s...that wouldn't have been the scientists
fault, it would have been the publisher and/or the school board. You
can mostly blame religious nutcases for much of the destruction of the
US public school system.
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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10 Oct 2004 01:55:24 AM |
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"Callipygian Nullifidian" <mulberry@ameritech.net> writes:
"AC" <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:slrncmdgud.4rs.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net...
: On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:26:58 +0000 (UTC),
: J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
[snip]
: > You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook
publishers
: > for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy
textbooks
: > and even got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these
: > individuals are scientists. And that's why when you say that the
: > majority of "scientists" supposedly believe in evolution, well, of
: > course they do. They've read about these phoney gill slits and
phony
: > embryo charts and so fourth. My fourth grade science textbook
even
: > had piltdown man. Yes, sometimes it takes schools a long time to
get
: > rid of those old rotten textbooks. But the damage was done. How
is a
: > fourth grader going to question Haeckel's charts or Piltdown man,
not
: > knowing anything about the controversy. You're sitting there
calling
: > me names and all I've done in this post was to tell the truth. I
: > don't see you doing it? Not one evolutionist has brought up the
: > Haeckel charts. Do you know why? Because they are defending
their
: > junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
:
: I think you're lying. Prove me wrong and provide the name of the
textbook.
Sadly, I don't think he's "lying", he's just full of *****. Hey
dingleberry! When were you in fourth grade? The hoax came to light
in the early '50s, so you could easily have had a textbook that wasn't
up to date into the '60s...that wouldn't have been the scientists
fault, it would have been the publisher and/or the school board. You
can mostly blame religious nutcases for much of the destruction of the
US public school system.
Actually, the hoax was exposed in Haeckel's lifetime. Also, there has
been at least one textbook that has featured Haeckel's embryo drawings.
I know this because the publisher issued an apology for including such
flawed drawings in their textbook.
This is as far as the truth of the creationist claim goes, however. There
was no intention of deception with including the drawings. The drawings
were NOT presented as an example of what Haeckel claimed, they were merely
offered as examples of embryos of different species. As such, there was
no intention to claim that Haeckel's statements were truthful -- this is a
flat-out lie told and repeated by creationists.
The publisher has since replaced the drawings with actual images of real
embryos. Unlike creationists, honest biology professionals will admit
their mistakes and work to correct them.
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "Mark Isaak" |
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10 Oct 2004 06:52:19 PM |
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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 06:55:24 +0000 (UTC),
(Keenan Clay Wilkie) wrote:
[re Heackel's embryo drawings]
Actually, the hoax was exposed in Haeckel's lifetime. Also, there has
been at least one textbook that has featured Haeckel's embryo drawings.
I know this because the publisher issued an apology for including such
flawed drawings in their textbook.
This is as far as the truth of the creationist claim goes, however. There
was no intention of deception with including the drawings. The drawings
were NOT presented as an example of what Haeckel claimed, they were merely
offered as examples of embryos of different species. As such, there was
no intention to claim that Haeckel's statements were truthful -- this is a
flat-out lie told and repeated by creationists.
In fact, the evidence for evolution is stronger when you use accurate
illustrations.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
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| User: "Jon Fleming" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
07 Oct 2004 08:19:01 PM |
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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:26:58 +0000 (UTC), (J McCoy)
wrote:
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" < > wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
Well, I'm saying that in jest, that the textbook author that included
a Haeckel chart in his book got mad when he was exposed and in
response took up a handle name in order to write "you are a sad,
pathetic creature that not even your fellow creationists...."
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these
individuals are scientists. And that's why when you say that the
majority of "scientists" supposedly believe in evolution, well, of
course they do. They've read about these phoney gill slits and phony
embryo charts and so fourth. My fourth grade science textbook even
had piltdown man. Yes, sometimes it takes schools a long time to get
rid of those old rotten textbooks. But the damage was done. How is a
fourth grader going to question Haeckel's charts or Piltdown man, not
knowing anything about the controversy. You're sitting there calling
me names and all I've done in this post was to tell the truth. I
don't see you doing it? Not one evolutionist has brought up the
Haeckel charts. Do you know why? Because they are defending their
junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
IOW, there is no such textbook ... it's just another McNameless lie.
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| User: "Tracy Hamilton" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
08 Oct 2004 12:27:30 PM |
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"Jon Fleming" <jonf@fleming-nospam.com> wrote in message
news:foqbm0tkk1rbb64gphhqnugrva1d2gv01i@4ax.com...
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:26:58 +0000 (UTC), (J McCoy)
wrote:
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" < > wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow
Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics
and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
Well, I'm saying that in jest, that the textbook author that included
a Haeckel chart in his book got mad when he was exposed and in
response took up a handle name in order to write "you are a sad,
pathetic creature that not even your fellow creationists...."
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these
individuals are scientists. And that's why when you say that the
majority of "scientists" supposedly believe in evolution, well, of
course they do. They've read about these phoney gill slits and phony
embryo charts and so fourth. My fourth grade science textbook even
had piltdown man. Yes, sometimes it takes schools a long time to get
rid of those old rotten textbooks. But the damage was done. How is a
fourth grader going to question Haeckel's charts or Piltdown man, not
knowing anything about the controversy. You're sitting there calling
me names and all I've done in this post was to tell the truth. I
don't see you doing it? Not one evolutionist has brought up the
Haeckel charts. Do you know why? Because they are defending their
junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
IOW, there is no such textbook ... it's just another McNameless lie.
And it is on page 150, or is it 160?
Tracy P. Hamilton
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
06 Oct 2004 10:06:32 PM |
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:14:27 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm844c.1ud.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark,
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes? Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over, John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
No, it's experience with one of the most immoral people I've encountered on
Usenet.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "J McCoy" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
07 Oct 2004 07:30:12 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm9d05.2t9.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:14:27 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm844c.1ud.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark,
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes? Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over, John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
No, it's experience with one of the most immoral people I've encountered on
Usenet.
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage. And now these
individuals are scientists. And that's why when you say that the
majority of "scientists" supposedly believe in evolution. Well, of
course they do. They've read about these phoney gill slits and phony
embryo charts and so fourth at a very young age. My fourth grade
science textbook contained the fraudulent Piltdown man. Yes,
sometimes it takes schools a long time to get rid of those old rotten
textbooks. But the damage was done. How is a fourth grader going to
question Haeckel's charts or Piltdown man, not knowing anything about
the controversy? You're sitting there calling me names and all I've
done in this post was to tell the truth. I don't see you exposing the
lies in textbooks? Not one evolutionist has brought up the Haeckel
charts on talk.origin. Do you know why? Because they are defending
their junk science and refuse to confront the truth.
JM
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
08 Oct 2004 02:05:31 PM |
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"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:14:27 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
snipping content, but leaving attributions intact
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow
Creationists on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics
and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
No, it's experience with one of the most immoral people I've encountered
on
Usenet.
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow
Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics
and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage.
What book? Citation please.
Snip the rest of an anti-science rant
DJT
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| User: "Florian" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
07 Oct 2004 09:07:33 PM |
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(J McCoy) writes:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm9d05.2t9.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:14:27 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy < > wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm844c.1ud.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy < > wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy < > wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
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McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
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Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark,
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes? Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over, John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
No, it's experience with one of the most immoral people I've encountered on
Usenet.
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" < > wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage.
He asked you for an example of one of these "trashy textbooks". Can you
provide one, or are you just making stuff up in your head again?
Wake up, John.
(snip rest)
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ego vidi stultum firma radice et maledixi pulchritudini eius statim
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| User: "J McCoy" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
11 Oct 2004 02:04:21 PM |
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Florian <petafrog@evilemail.com> wrote in message news:<m3zn2yc64u.fsf@tiainen.domain.invalid>...
mccoy@sunset.net (J McCoy) writes:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm9d05.2t9.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:14:27 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm844c.1ud.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained
clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.
The choice of expedition leader?a Turkish academic named Ahmet Ali
Arslan, who claims to have climbed Mount Ararat 50 times in 40
years?also raised a red flag with those familiar with previous
expeditions.
(Neither McGivern nor Arslan responded to requests by National
Geographic News for interviews for this story.)
Arslan was involved in a 1993 documentary, aired on CBS television,
which claimed to have found the ark. Some of the evidence presented in
that documentary turned out to be a hoax, raising concerns about
Arslan's testimony.
Some archaeologists charge that Noah's-ark expeditions like McGivern's
are nothing but wild-goose chases. Even if the ark existed, these
scholars argue, it is unlikely that the wood from the boat would still
be preserved today, thousands of years later. Moving ice is likely to
have swept away any wooden structure, experts say.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
\
Actually, the reason the trip was cancelled was because the Turks
imposed stipulations into the permit. When ICR wanted to use a
helicopter around Mt Ararat, they required in the permit that ICR
photograph the Durupinar site. The Turks will sometimes require
that the efforts of some benefit the Turks in extracurricular items.
ICR never went ahead in using that helicopter. Whether these
extracurricular items had anything to do with it is up in the air.
But it did shut down the latest August attempt. But the Ark isn't up
on Mt Ararat so that would have been a waste of time anyway.
The Turks must get a real kick out of all you nutjobs looking for Ye Olde
Ark,
I thought you were going to mention the Ye Olde Forged Haeckel Charte
that is found in my early 80's textbook. Haeckels lies were
discovered decades ago. Do you know how many scientists working today
were convinced as young students by these Ye Chartes? Man. No wonder
you guys keep trying to say that the majority of scientists are
evolutionists. But you never prove that claim.
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over, John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
No, it's experience with one of the most immoral people I've encountered on
Usenet.
"Dana Tweedy" <reddfrogg@Nospam.com> wrote in message news:<J819d.10416$gs1.620@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410061519.1df39d5d@posting.google.com...
snipping
Evasion noted. Don't you get tired of the same lies over and over,
John?
You are a sad, pathetic creature that not even your fellow Creationists
on
this newsgroup defend. You're an isolate even among liars, lunatics and
pseudo-scientists.
Reads like someone who wrote that book wrote your script.
What book is that? Full citation please
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage.
He asked you for an example of one of these "trashy textbooks". Can you
provide one, or are you just making stuff up in your head again?
Wake up, John.
(snip rest)
Sigh. How many times to I have to post the same thing over and over
again. You saw those references!
JM
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| User: "Dana Tweedy" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
11 Oct 2004 02:40:15 PM |
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"J McCoy" <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:3f355ee.0410111110.f313e8c@posting.google.com...
snipping
He asked you for an example of one of these "trashy textbooks". Can you
provide one, or are you just making stuff up in your head again?
Wake up, John.
(snip rest)
Sigh. How many times to I have to post the same thing over and over
again. You saw those references!
Just one, would suffice. Where are those "references"? Certianly not
anywhere in this thread.
Citation for the geology "textbook" you claim has Haeckel's embryo
drawings,
please.
DJT
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| User: "Florian" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
12 Oct 2004 11:16:54 AM |
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(J McCoy) writes:
Florian <petafrog@evilemail.com> wrote in message news:<m3zn2yc64u.fsf@tiainen.domain.invalid>...
(J McCoy) writes:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm9d05.2t9.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
(snip)
What book is that? Full citation please
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage.
He asked you for an example of one of these "trashy textbooks". Can you
provide one, or are you just making stuff up in your head again?
Wake up, John.
(snip rest)
Sigh. How many times to I have to post the same thing over and over
again. You saw those references!
Nope, I didn't see them. Did you post them outside of talk.origins?
Please give a link or repost here.
--
ego vidi stultum firma radice et maledixi pulchritudini eius statim
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| User: "John Drayton" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
13 Oct 2004 07:07:35 AM |
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(J McCoy) wrote in message news:<3f355ee.0410111110.f313e8c@posting.google.com>...
Florian <petafrog@evilemail.com> wrote in message news:<m3zn2yc64u.fsf@tiainen.domain.invalid>...
(J McCoy) writes:
<snip>
You're just angry with me because I exposed the textbook publishers
for deceiving generations of students who read these trashy textbooks
and even got degrees for reading this garbage.
He asked you for an example of one of these "trashy textbooks". Can you
provide one, or are you just making stuff up in your head again?
Wake up, John.
(snip rest)
Sigh. How many times to I have to post the same thing over and over
again.
The book reference? Once would be fine.
You saw those references!
JM
I've seen you spend an awful lot of effort in claiming
that you already have posted the reference - far more
effort than it would take to actually post a reference.
Why don't you just make up a reference to a book that
doesn't exist? At least that would add some variety to
your lies: this one's getting boring.
--
John Drayton
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt? |
11 Oct 2004 03:26:21 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:04:21 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Florian <petafrog@evilemail.com> wrote in message news:<m3zn2yc64u.fsf@tiainen.domain.invalid>...
mccoy@sunset.net (J McCoy) writes:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm9d05.2t9.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:14:27 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm844c.1ud.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<slrncm4bgg.14b.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net>...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC),
J McCoy <mccoy@sunset.net> wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message news:<l4ucl0dhkl87ktesn765fnqhjmphkadv5b@4ax.com>...
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------------
McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than
mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early
announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government
into granting him a p | | | | | | | | | | |
