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"Jake21" |
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09 Jan 2005 12:28:33 PM |
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not anti God |
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
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| User: "Tink" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
10 Jan 2005 07:08:57 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jake21" <jake.hargreaves@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a72b4cb2.0501091028.13d177e6@posting.google.com...
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Why do you wish there was a god?
I wish there was a god so I could tell him about all the ***** his
followers are doing in his name.
--
Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
away... It really pisses him off.
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
09 Jan 2005 08:06:51 PM |
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(Jake21) wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Besides, there seem to be a lot of people out there who would rape,
murder, plunder, and steal if they didn't have their gods so it's a
good thing that the mentally deranged among us have them.
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Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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09 Jan 2005 08:10:46 PM |
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You can raise a child in an atheist way without them being sociopaths.
However, I wish truth was more apparent. Then I would be much more
comfortable in life.
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
09 Jan 2005 09:11:29 PM |
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FreeThink wrote:
You can raise a child in an atheist way without them being sociopaths.
However, I wish truth was more apparent. Then I would be much more
comfortable in life.
If truth were easy and obvious,
we wouldn't be so proud of ourselves for digging it out of the
universe.
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John Popelish
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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09 Jan 2005 10:57:32 PM |
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John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
FreeThink wrote:
You can raise a child in an atheist way without them being sociopaths.
However, I wish truth was more apparent. Then I would be much more
comfortable in life.
If truth were easy and obvious, we wouldn't be so proud of
ourselves for digging it out of the universe.
<heh> That's the cocaine talking, folks. }:-}
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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09 Jan 2005 11:10:58 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" wrote:
John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote:
FreeThink wrote:
You can raise a child in an atheist way without them being sociopaths.
However, I wish truth was more apparent. Then I would be much more
comfortable in life.
If truth were easy and obvious, we wouldn't be so proud of
ourselves for digging it out of the universe.
<heh> That's the cocaine talking, folks. }:-}
You got cocaine that talks?
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John Popelish
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
11 Jan 2005 01:48:38 AM |
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In article <a72b4cb2.0501091028.13d177e6@posting.google.com>,
(Jake21) wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Little Me" |
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11 Jan 2005 02:40:45 AM |
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Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
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I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
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| User: "johac" |
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12 Jan 2005 01:11:49 AM |
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In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
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I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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12 Jan 2005 06:50:38 AM |
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"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
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I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
Aaaaaaarrrrrrrgh!!
Don't do that to me first thing in the morning! :)
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Jan 2005 12:21:19 AM |
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In article <34kkopF4cafkcU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
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I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
Aaaaaaarrrrrrrgh!!
Don't do that to me first thing in the morning! :)
I hope you didn't spray your orange juice on the monitor! :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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13 Jan 2005 08:21:45 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:50:38 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
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I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
Aaaaaaarrrrrrrgh!!
Don't do that to me first thing in the morning! :)
Do what?
(wide-eyed innocence)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Little Me" |
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12 Jan 2005 01:47:28 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
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I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
LMAO! hehehehe
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| User: "johac" |
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14 Jan 2005 12:24:51 AM |
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In article <kC4Fd.30$0z6.3@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
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I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
LMAO! hehehehe
I suppose that technically if it were my niece, I would be a monkey's
grand uncle.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Jan 2005 08:42:56 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kC4Fd.30$0z6.3@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in
gods.
I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
LMAO! hehehehe
I suppose that technically if it were my niece, I would be a monkey's
grand uncle.
A roughly similar problem would occur if your neice married a guy
named wrench and they named their child monkey.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
15 Jan 2005 01:28:14 AM |
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In article <en0hu09b4ugf38drnr17qnsr48s7vfoqqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kC4Fd.30$0z6.3@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there
isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief
in
gods.
I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
LMAO! hehehehe
I suppose that technically if it were my niece, I would be a monkey's
grand uncle.
A roughly similar problem would occur if your neice married a guy
named wrench and they named their child monkey.
Heh! Or if she married a guy named Business and named the kid Monkey.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "" |
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16 Jan 2005 10:23:42 AM |
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In talk.atheism johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <en0hu09b4ugf38drnr17qnsr48s7vfoqqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kC4Fd.30$0z6.3@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there
isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief
in
gods.
I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
LMAO! hehehehe
I suppose that technically if it were my niece, I would be a monkey's
grand uncle.
A roughly similar problem would occur if your neice married a guy
named wrench and they named their child monkey.
Heh! Or if she married a guy named Business and named the kid Monkey.
A telephone-listing search at www.superpages.com DID show 388 people with
last name of "Wrench" and 7 of them were listed as "M. Wrench" but none had
their full first names listed. Hmmmm...makes me wonder why so many 'M.'s and
no full names:)
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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The only product that Micro$oft could produce that *wouldn't* suck would be a
vacuum cleaner..
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| User: "johac" |
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17 Jan 2005 12:41:56 AM |
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In article <iywGd.12221$Zv5.1218@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
wrote:
In talk.atheism johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <en0hu09b4ugf38drnr17qnsr48s7vfoqqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kC4Fd.30$0z6.3@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there
isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of
belief
in
gods.
I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God,
I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
LMAO! hehehehe
I suppose that technically if it were my niece, I would be a monkey's
grand uncle.
A roughly similar problem would occur if your neice married a guy
named wrench and they named their child monkey.
Heh! Or if she married a guy named Business and named the kid Monkey.
A telephone-listing search at www.superpages.com DID show 388 people with
last name of "Wrench" and 7 of them were listed as "M. Wrench" but none had
their full first names listed. Hmmmm...makes me wonder why so many 'M.'s and
no full names:)
:-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 Jan 2005 02:27:47 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:23:42 GMT, wrote:
In talk.atheism johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <en0hu09b4ugf38drnr17qnsr48s7vfoqqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kC4Fd.30$0z6.3@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there
isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief
in
gods.
I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
LMAO! hehehehe
I suppose that technically if it were my niece, I would be a monkey's
grand uncle.
A roughly similar problem would occur if your neice married a guy
named wrench and they named their child monkey.
Heh! Or if she married a guy named Business and named the kid Monkey.
A telephone-listing search at www.superpages.com DID show 388 people with
last name of "Wrench" and 7 of them were listed as "M. Wrench" but none had
their full first names listed. Hmmmm...makes me wonder why so many 'M.'s and
no full names:)
A mikey on their backs?.......
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Sam" |
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15 Jan 2005 01:39:48 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <en0hu09b4ugf38drnr17qnsr48s7vfoqqq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:24:51 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote:
In article <kC4Fd.30$0z6.3@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-A52583.23114911012005@news.giganews.com...
In article <hiMEd.7$V67.1@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
"Little Me" <soul.lover@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there
isn't.
Who says atheists are anti god? Atheism is simply a lack of belief
in
gods.
I am anti God! If I married a boys Uncle and his surname was God, I
would
love to be Auntie God.
But that's just me
Well, I'm glad that my niece didn't marry a guy named Monkey. If they
had a kid, I'd be a Monkey's uncle.
LMAO! hehehehe
I suppose that technically if it were my niece, I would be a monkey's
grand uncle.
A roughly similar problem would occur if your neice married a guy
named wrench and they named their child monkey.
Heh! Or if she married a guy named Business and named the kid Monkey.
and the kid got smashed with a toaster on accident. wait, thats just
sad. sorry, back to the show...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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09 Jan 2005 07:25:24 PM |
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In our last episode <a72b4cb2.0501091028.13d177e6@posting.google.com>,
Jake21 lept out of the bushes shouting:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
You know, I don't...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "jwk" |
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09 Jan 2005 03:55:18 PM |
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Jake21 wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
I wouldn't mind the god most of the Christians *think exists, but I
wouldn't want him if he was responsible for running things up to now.
His work stinks.
jwk
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| User: "Nick Wesh" |
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10 Jan 2005 09:23:57 PM |
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Jake21 wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Please substantiate the assertion that there isn't a god.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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10 Jan 2005 09:59:30 PM |
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"Nick Wesh" <nick500@flashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105413837.911879.20360@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jake21 wrote:
Atheists are not anti god. I wish there were a god but there isn't.
Please substantiate the assertion that there isn't a god.
You're the believer. You provide evidence that it (the particular
god that you happen to believe in, that is) does exist. Lack of
evidence is my main reason for not believing any kind of god
exists. Leave out the Bible. It proves nothing.
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| User: "Nick Wesh" |
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11 Jan 2005 04:37:17 PM |
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Shifting of the burden of proof. Jake21 clearly stated that he wished
there was a god but asserted that there isn't, thus, he is a believer
in the assertion that there isn't a god. It is his responsibility to
provide sound reasoning and evidence for that conclusion. Asserting
that there isn't a god is not the same thing as lacking a belief in the
existence of a god or gods. Strong atheism vs. weak atheism.
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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12 Jan 2005 08:07:00 AM |
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he is a believer in the assertion that there isn't
a god.
A completely undetectable entity is exactly the same as a non-existent
entity for all practical purposes. Haven't you figured this out yet?
It is his responsibility to provide sound reasoning
and evidence for that conclusion.
No, it is the responsibility of those who claim the entity exists to
show us how to detect it, or it is exactly the same as a non-existent
entity. If you disagree, feel free to either:
1. Explain how an entity which is undetectable is different from one
that does not exist -- IOW, show the relevance an unfalsifiable claim
of existence
or
2. Tell us how to detect the entity -- IOW, make the claim of
existence falsifiable.
Until then, your gods don't exist, and neither do your leprechauns.
Hec
http://hectorplasmic.com
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| User: "Nick Wesh" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
12 Jan 2005 09:25:27 PM |
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A completely undetectable entity is exactly the same as a
non-existent
entity for all practical purposes. Haven't you figured this out yet?
Another note, your mention of the word practial implied pragmatism,
which is an incoherent method of gaining truth. The reason being, it
would force us to accept as truth some things known independently to be
false. For example, it is far more practical to believe that someone
does not have cancer, even if on empirical grounds we known that
someone does have cancer.
<snip>
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| User: "Nick Wesh" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
12 Jan 2005 09:20:03 PM |
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Hector Plasmic wrote:
he is a believer in the assertion that there isn't
a god.
A completely undetectable entity is exactly the same as a
non-existent
entity for all practical purposes. Haven't you figured this out
yet?
No, as it is an argument from ignorance.
No, it is the responsibility of those who claim the entity exists to
show us how to detect it, or it is exactly the same as a non-existent
entity.
Again, this is false for it commits the argumentum ad ignorantiam
fallacy.
If you disagree, feel free to either:
1. Explain how an entity which is undetectable is different from one
that does not exist -- IOW, show the relevance an unfalsifiable claim
of existence
Simple, an entity which is incapable of being detected could still be
very much existent. Lacking knowledge of evidence for this entity would
not rationally warrant belief that this entity does not exist.
<snip>
Until then, your gods don't exist, and neither do your leprechauns.
Incorrect, for the reasons stated above.
Hec
http://hectorplasmic.com
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
13 Jan 2005 09:02:14 AM |
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he is a believer in the assertion that there isn't
a god.
A completely undetectable entity is exactly the same as a
non-existent entity for all practical purposes. Haven't you
figured this out yet
No, as it is an argument from ignorance.
I am not making an argument from ignorance -- I am not making a formal
logical argument at all. I am merely stating the *practical* realities
involved. We use these practical realities every day, when we don't
make sacrifices to the itchy rash fairies but wash our asses instead,
or fill our vehicles with petroleum products rather than saying prayers
to the propulsion leprechauns and continuing to drive confident that
our vehicles will not stall mysteriously. You know about reality,
don't you?
No, it is the responsibility of those who claim the entity
exists to show us how to detect it, or it is exactly the
same as a non-existent entity.
Again, this is false for it commits the argumentum ad
ignorantiam fallacy.
No, this merely reflects the practical reality of the situation. An
entity which cannot be detected has no detectable effect upon us, and
is exactly the same as a non-existent entity for all practical
purposes. An invisible, intangible wall is the same as no wall at all;
proceed at will.
If you disagree, feel free to either:
1. Explain how an entity which is undetectable is different from
one that does not exist -- IOW, show the relevance an
unfalsifiable claim of existence
Simple, an entity which is incapable of being detected could
still be very much existent.
Oh, how hollow a "victory" for you! A victory, in fact, indiscernable
from total, miserable defeat! :-) Because, for all *practical
purposes* your indetectable entity still does not exist. It can have
no detectable effect upon us (else it would be detectable) and is thus
irrelevant *at best* and practically identical to any non-existent
entity you care to name -- road kill elves, perhaps.
2. Tell us how to detect the entity -- IOW, make the claim
of existence falsifiable.
You failed to address this at all. You have therefore failed the
simple tests given you to establish some practical basis for the claim
"gods exist," so I'm afraid you claim remains, practically speaking,
identical to a false claim.
Until then, your gods and your leprechauns don't exist. Dismissed, old
bean.
Another note, your mention of the word practial
implied pragmatism, which is an incoherent method
of gaining truth.
I take it that the scientific method just makes you want to crap your
pants in outrage, then? :-)
The reason being, it would force us to accept as truth
some things known independently to be false.
You are confused, and your cancer example was incoherent. Your gods
and your leprechauns don't exist (slap me with one if you feel
otherwise :-).
Hec
http://hectorplasmic.com
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| User: "Nick Wesh" |
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| Title: Re: not anti God |
13 Jan 2005 03:03:54 PM |
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<snip>
2. Tell us how to detect the entity -- IOW, make the claim
of existence falsifiable.
You failed to address this at all. You have therefore failed the
simple tests given you to establish some practical basis for the
claim
"gods exist," so I'm afraid you claim remains, practically speaking,
identical to a false claim.
Where did I make such a claim?
Until then, your gods and your leprechauns don't exist. Dismissed,
old
bean.
Where did I say that I have gods and leprechauns?
Another note, your mention of the word practial
implied pragmatism, which is an incoherent method
of gaining truth.
I take it that the scientific method just makes you want to crap your
pants in outrage, then? :-)
Not at all, as practical knowledge is useful, but cannot constitute a
full epistemology.
The reason being, it would force us to accept as truth
some things known independently to be false.
You are confused, and your cancer example was incoherent.
Please explain.
Your gods
and your leprechauns don't exist (slap me with one if you feel
otherwise :-).
I believe I have, for your claims about practicality are true, but if a
pragmatic epistemology is incoherent, then such a claim seems to have
lessened significance.
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