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"t1gercat" |
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01 May 2007 11:54:54 AM |
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NPR On the Mormons |
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: NPR On the Mormons |
01 May 2007 01:57:28 PM |
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Fundies and other conservatives already believe that anything public is
automatically leftist. If Public TV and Radio were to take an absolute
stand against faith, the conservatives would have a cow. Unfortunately
NPR needs congressional support; "Viewers like You" don't give enough
during pledge drives.
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| User: "corky" |
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01 May 2007 02:00:27 PM |
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"t1gercat" <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178038494.199334.82670@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
Many of the Christians I know believe the universe is 6,000 years old, gay
people are gay because they want to sin against god, the earth may come to
an end at any second and that the most will eventually reside inl Hell if
they don't convert.
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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01 May 2007 10:53:47 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "corky" <corky@bureauofschmeng.com>
bloodied us up with this:
Many of the Christians I know believe the universe is 6,000 years old,
gay people are gay because they want to sin against god, the earth may
come to an end at any second and that the most will eventually reside
in Hell if they don't convert.
Yet they have no evidence their belief system is the one everyone should
convert to. Or anyone else's, for that matter.
What we do have evidence for is evolution. Evolution proves Original Sin
never happened, therefore there is nothing to be saved from. Evolution
makes the Young Earth Creationists' heads explode. They have to deny it to
qualify their belief system.
They have to deny reality to support their beliefs.
The defense rests.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "raven1" |
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02 May 2007 01:48:59 AM |
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On 02 May 2007 03:53:47 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, "corky" <corky@bureauofschmeng.com>
bloodied us up with this:
Many of the Christians I know believe the universe is 6,000 years old,
gay people are gay because they want to sin against god, the earth may
come to an end at any second and that the most will eventually reside
in Hell if they don't convert.
Yet they have no evidence their belief system is the one everyone should
convert to. Or anyone else's, for that matter.
What we do have evidence for is evolution. Evolution proves Original Sin
never happened, therefore there is nothing to be saved from.
Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, no, it doesn't necessarily
prove such a thing; one can always equivocate that "well, at a certain
point God intervened in evolution to create Adam, the first human with
a soul, and capable of sin". It's absolutely nonsensical, and
unfalsifiable, but it does make the idea that evolution offers a
"proof" that Original Sin is false untenable. (I leave aside that
science doesn't deal in proof, but with evidence).
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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02 May 2007 09:09:44 AM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:lfcg33dv2kqrs7ja4bpgfj5bjanv037q42@4ax.com...
On 02 May 2007 03:53:47 GMT, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, "corky" <corky@bureauofschmeng.com>
bloodied us up with this:
Many of the Christians I know believe the universe is 6,000 years old,
gay people are gay because they want to sin against god, the earth may
come to an end at any second and that the most will eventually reside
in Hell if they don't convert.
Yet they have no evidence their belief system is the one everyone should
convert to. Or anyone else's, for that matter.
What we do have evidence for is evolution. Evolution proves Original Sin
never happened, therefore there is nothing to be saved from.
Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, no, it doesn't necessarily
prove such a thing; one can always equivocate that "well, at a certain
point God intervened in evolution to create Adam, the first human with
a soul, and capable of sin". It's absolutely nonsensical, and
unfalsifiable, but it does make the idea that evolution offers a
"proof" that Original Sin is false untenable. (I leave aside that
science doesn't deal in proof, but with evidence).
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No. But look at the claims made without any real 'proof' to support any of
it. Besides, the preposterous nature of the whole Jesus/God thing should
raise more than a few 'red flags'.
A deity that is utterly incapable of 'proving' he exists without any
reservation whatsoever is an imaginary, make-believe, non-existent deity. If
members of the Jewish, Islamic, and Christian 'faith's' claim they can
'detect' him, why is it that individuals of other faiths, or the
nonbeliever, does not?
Greywolf
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| User: "raven1" |
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02 May 2007 01:37:27 AM |
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On 1 May 2007 09:54:54 -0700, t1gercat <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
So what's not to like...?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "satyr" |
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01 May 2007 06:38:22 PM |
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On 1 May 2007 09:54:54 -0700, t1gercat <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
IOW, just another run of the mill religion.
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "snex" |
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01 May 2007 02:06:13 PM |
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On May 1, 11:54 am, t1gercat <wexford1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
*waits for the "rational theists" to flood the thread in defense of
mormonism.*
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| User: "snex" |
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01 May 2007 02:06:42 PM |
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On May 1, 2:06 pm, snex <x...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 1, 11:54 am, t1gercat <wexford1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
*waits for the "rational theists" to flood the thread in defense of
mormonism.*
whoops, wrong newsgroup!
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| User: "t1gercat" |
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01 May 2007 02:15:59 PM |
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On May 1, 3:06 pm, snex <x...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 1, 2:06 pm, snex <x...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 1, 11:54 am, t1gercat <wexford1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
*waits for the "rational theists" to flood the thread in defense of
mormonism.*
whoops, wrong newsgroup!- Hide quoted text -
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Maybe I should have cross-posted.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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01 May 2007 10:55:37 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, t1gercat <wexford1778@yahoo.com> bloodied us
up with this:
*waits for the "rational theists" to flood the thread in defense of
mormonism.*
whoops, wrong newsgroup!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Maybe I should have cross-posted.
"No! ...that's just what they'd be expecting you to do."
[Airplane!]
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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01 May 2007 08:12:12 PM |
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On May 1, 12:54 pm, t1gercat <wexford1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
I think there is a segment of the left that is a bit too concerned
with being overly polite and tolerant about stupidity if it's within
the context of multiculturalism or religion.
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| User: "Stan-O" |
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01 May 2007 10:59:48 PM |
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On 1 May 2007 18:12:12 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 1, 12:54 pm, t1gercat <wexford1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
I think there is a segment of the left that is a bit too concerned
with being overly polite and tolerant about stupidity if it's within
the context of multiculturalism or religion.
That's because they treat these people as if they don't have a choice
but to believe. You can't change your race, your gender preference, or
many other aspects of who you are, but your religion and belief is
something that is taught to you. It pisses me off to no end when I'm
told to respect religious beliefs when my belief is that these people
have been lied to their entire lives...
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| User: "Bill Dunkenfield" |
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01 May 2007 04:29:19 PM |
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t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I watched the program last night.
I find the Mormon religion just as preposterous as any other.
The stories in the christian bible are just as ridiculous. The book of
Mormon is no better or worse.
JAM
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| User: "snex" |
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01 May 2007 04:50:17 PM |
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On May 1, 4:29 pm, Bill Dunkenfield <BillDunkenfi...@nospam.net>
wrote:
t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I watched the program last night.
I find the Mormon religion just as preposterous as any other.
The stories in the christian bible are just as ridiculous. The book of
Mormon is no better or worse.
JAM
what makes mormonism more preposterous is that its recentness makes it
all the more easy to uncover the silliness that went into its
founding. if only we had these hilarious details about ancient
religions!
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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02 May 2007 09:21:19 AM |
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"snex" <snex@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1178056217.484800.107190@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 1, 4:29 pm, Bill Dunkenfield <BillDunkenfi...@nospam.net>
wrote:
t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I watched the program last night.
I find the Mormon religion just as preposterous as any other.
The stories in the christian bible are just as ridiculous. The book of
Mormon is no better or worse.
JAM
what makes mormonism more preposterous is that its recentness makes it
all the more easy to uncover the silliness that went into its
founding. if only we had these hilarious details about ancient
religions!
The 'fact' that when the apostles, upon hearing the reports of a 'risen'
Jesus appearing to the women, thought them 'nuts' *after* having been
(allegedly) endowed with the ability and power to raise the dead through
Jesus *themselves* (Mt. 10:8), says it all, doesn't it? And why would
'Doubting Thomas' be so 'doubting'?
'Silliness' is right. 'Hilarious is an apt description as well. But just
look at the numbers of the 'faithful'. Not a bit funny at all.
Greywolf
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01 May 2007 06:05:39 PM |
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On May 1, 5:50 pm, snex <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 1, 4:29 pm, Bill Dunkenfield <BillDunkenfi...@nospam.net>
wrote:
Interesting
t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I watched the program last night.
I find the Mormon religion just as preposterous as any other.
The stories in the christian bible are just as ridiculous. The book of
Mormon is no better or worse.
JAM
what makes mormonism more preposterous is that its recentness makes it
all the more easy to uncover the silliness that went into its
founding. if only we had these hilarious details about ancient
religions!- Hide quoted text -
Mormonism is a particularly obnoxious sect. Despite the fact that the
main stream church now excommunicates bigamists, there are any number
of "traditional" Mormons who practice it, and who consider the LDS to
be heretical (or at least claim to believe that). All Mormons --
despite the sect -- quietly support one another, so prosecution of
Mormon bigamists in Utah was almost unheard-of until a few years ago
when a prominent one who kept flaunting his five wives taunted the
police so much they had to do something.
In the countryside in several Western states, spin off Mormon
communities treat teenage girls as chattle or concubines, who are
traded and sold to much older men as wifes. Often younger sisters
follow older ones into marriage, heaping ickiness upon exploitation.
Some of the wives can be as youg as 14. Most of these marriages are
volitional. The girls, after all, have been udergoing indoctrination
since birth. Boys on the other hand are useless. If they stay around
the community, they invariably get involved with the girls, and that
ruins things for their families who want to sell the girls into
marriages with older men. So, teenage boys are run off. Sometimes they
show up in cities like San Francisco, barely literate and unable to do
anything but basic farm work.
Even in the squeeky-clean, Republican LDS proper, there's a cloying,
controlling atmosphere. Mormons not only look after one another, they
spy on one another, report aberrations and generally bother their
neighbors. In addtion the tithe -- at about 30% -- puts a lot of money
into the church coffers. The books are secret so no one knows what
it's used for.
Why anyone follows this clownish sect, I don't know. It is banal,
stupid and expensive. Main stream Christians can at least look back at
a legacy that includes Rafael and Michaelangelo. Even if the religion
is unappealing the art and architecture are magnificient. Jews can
proudly invoke a long intellectual tradition of famous Rabbis and
philosophers. The Mormons? They've visited some of the most monstrous
architectural conceits ever conceived on the modern world. Their whole
tradition is crass and banal. Their history is bizarre; they were
founded by sexual predators who culled gullible women into grossly
polygamous marriages. Their original founders were adamant racists as
well. The whole mess is repulsive, yet they flog their history as
heroic and inspiring.
In any event, some of this should have been pointed out in the NPR,
"review." Instead all we heard was confused mewing about "faith."
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| User: "Stan-O" |
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01 May 2007 10:50:48 PM |
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On 1 May 2007 16:05:39 -0700, t1gercat <wexford1778@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mormonism is a particularly obnoxious sect. Despite the fact that the
main stream church now excommunicates bigamists, there are any number
of "traditional" Mormons who practice it, and who consider the LDS to
be heretical (or at least claim to believe that). All Mormons --
despite the sect -- quietly support one another, so prosecution of
Mormon bigamists in Utah was almost unheard-of until a few years ago
when a prominent one who kept flaunting his five wives taunted the
police so much they had to do something.
In the countryside in several Western states, spin off Mormon
communities treat teenage girls as chattle or concubines, who are
traded and sold to much older men as wifes. Often younger sisters
follow older ones into marriage, heaping ickiness upon exploitation.
Some of the wives can be as youg as 14. Most of these marriages are
volitional. The girls, after all, have been udergoing indoctrination
since birth. Boys on the other hand are useless. If they stay around
the community, they invariably get involved with the girls, and that
ruins things for their families who want to sell the girls into
marriages with older men. So, teenage boys are run off. Sometimes they
show up in cities like San Francisco, barely literate and unable to do
anything but basic farm work.
Even in the squeeky-clean, Republican LDS proper, there's a cloying,
controlling atmosphere. Mormons not only look after one another, they
spy on one another, report aberrations and generally bother their
neighbors. In addtion the tithe -- at about 30% -- puts a lot of money
into the church coffers. The books are secret so no one knows what
it's used for.
Why anyone follows this clownish sect, I don't know. It is banal,
stupid and expensive. Main stream Christians can at least look back at
a legacy that includes Rafael and Michaelangelo. Even if the religion
is unappealing the art and architecture are magnificient. Jews can
proudly invoke a long intellectual tradition of famous Rabbis and
philosophers. The Mormons? They've visited some of the most monstrous
architectural conceits ever conceived on the modern world. Their whole
tradition is crass and banal. Their history is bizarre; they were
founded by sexual predators who culled gullible women into grossly
polygamous marriages. Their original founders were adamant racists as
well. The whole mess is repulsive, yet they flog their history as
heroic and inspiring.
In any event, some of this should have been pointed out in the NPR,
"review." Instead all we heard was confused mewing about "faith."
They may as well call the state of Utah."Mormon Land" and declare it a
separate country. A co-worker of mine, who is Catholic, was traveling
though Utah back in the mid 1970s. He was looking for a Catholic
church, and stopped at a gas station in Ogden to ask if there was one
around anywhere. The attendant said that there wasn't any church
around, and that he'd better not ask about it again while he was in
the state. How's that for religious tolerance?
On an un-related note, Utah is the home for the corporate headquarters
of many "network marketing" companies such as Amway and their ilk.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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01 May 2007 01:22:22 PM |
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t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged.
[snip a well reasoned rant]
Well put. If NPR isn't going to tell us that the emperor has no clothes,
then who will? Fortunately, most listeners of public radio don't need to be
told what crock Mormonism is.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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01 May 2007 04:31:15 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged.
[snip a well reasoned rant]
Well put. If NPR isn't going to tell us that the emperor has no clothes,
then who will? Fortunately, most listeners of public radio don't need to be
told what crock Mormonism is.
I nearly completed a conversion to Mormonism when I was a teenager.
Near the end of it I began asking questions. They were answered with
*****. I quit immediately. I don't think even the Mormons know what
a crock Mormonism is. Sad, isn't it?
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| User: "t1gercat" |
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01 May 2007 02:18:15 PM |
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On May 1, 2:22 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged.
[snip a well reasoned rant]
Well put. If NPR isn't going to tell us that the emperor has no clothes,
then who will? Fortunately, most listeners of public radio don't need to be
told what crock Mormonism is.
I agree. I just get huffy when this nonsense is elevated to a
spiritual plane it doesn't deserve. NPR would happily host both
fundies and scientists on an evolution debate. It would have been
interesting to hear from at least one noted skeptic.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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01 May 2007 10:14:10 PM |
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t1gercat wrote:
On May 1, 2:22 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved,
so laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged.
[snip a well reasoned rant]
Well put. If NPR isn't going to tell us that the emperor has no
clothes, then who will? Fortunately, most listeners of public radio
don't need to be told what crock Mormonism is.
I agree. I just get huffy when this nonsense is elevated to a
spiritual plane it doesn't deserve. NPR would happily host both
fundies and scientists on an evolution debate. It would have been
interesting to hear from at least one noted skeptic.
NPR and public radio here get a lot of money from fairly consertive people
as well as from the woo-woo crowd (Randi - I've been using that term for
many, many years.)
A Noetic science show is featured and new age music sponswered by the crowd
that does not believe in conventioal medicine.
If they came down hard they would loose a good bit of programming and
sponsership.
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| User: "cactus" |
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02 May 2007 09:51:10 AM |
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t1gercat wrote:
I listened to NPR's review of the PBS super-special on "The Mormons"
while driving to work this morning. The comments were so reserved, so
laced with NPR's typical effusions of respect for the sanctity of
bizarre religious beliefs, that I almost gagged. Isn't there some
point at which Public Radio can simply drop its pretensions and stop
propagandizing for "faith" of one sort or another? Over the years I've
heard it beat the drum for everything from sweat lodge ceremonies to
Christian snake handlers and Cali worshippers. Don't these NPR people
ever get to where even their sensibilities are taxed to the breaking
point? Isn't there a level of nonsense that repels even these folks?
I have to admit of all American Christian-type "faiths" (to use the
favored NPR word), I find Mormonism to be the most banal, stupid and
blatantly phoney. Anyone who actually thinks that the Angel Moroni
dropped off the amazing disappearing golden tablets to Joseph Smith is
either a victim of gross indoctrination or a gullible fool. At least
the snake handlers for Christ actually handle snakes (and sometimes
die as a result). Mormons just endlessly tout the lies of Smith and
his minions. They subject their people to a lifetime of
indoctrination, glean about 30% of their pay and use the profits to
market the religion so that they can grow their membership and
indoctrinate as many more as they can. I can't help but believe that
somewhere in the hierarchy of their church, the prelates are bathing
in cash and cackling with glee. To top it off, the Mormon cult is
heavily into right wing politics, all for the war in Iraq and
elimination of all social welfare, including social security,
preferring to be taxed by their church than by the government. In any
event, I thought the NPR "review" was nothing short of a glorification
of a white bread cult founded by a sexual predator, peopled and
perpetuated by indoctrinated fools.
Obviously not your religion.
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