Religions > Atheism > Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack
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26 Jun 2006 09:43:15 PM |
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Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a vengeful lot. Ms. Iyer
deserves a commandation, not harrassment.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1573.html
Tallahassee, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A nurse who cared for Terri Schiavo during
the mid 1990s and helped expose her former husband's mistreatment of her is
under attack from a state agency. The Florida Department of Health wants to
revoke Carla Iyer's license over an interview she gave CNN last March about
how Michael Schiavo failed to care for and mistreated Terri.
Iyer, who is employed at the Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center, filed
an affidavit for Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in his attempts to help Terri's
parents prevent Terri's death.
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
She checked Terri's blood sugar levels and they were barely showing any
reading on the glucometer, she indicated. She also saw a vial of "insulin
concealed in the trash bin."
She indicated there were needle marks underneath Terri's breast, under her
arms, and in her groin area.
However, according to a North Country Gazette report, the Florida Department
of Health wants to revoke Iyer's nursing license and force her to pay nearly
$1,700 in administrative fees to do so. The agency says it wants Iyer to
voluntarily relinquish her license and claims she was wrong to discuss the
legal battle publicly in the CNN interview.
NCG says Iyer is fighting back and says she had a right to provide further
background in the legal battle because of her First Amendment right to free
speech.
The request comes after a Massachusetts woman filed a complaint with the
agency after she watched Iyer's CNN interview, NCG reported. She filed the
complaint last March, the day after the interview, saying Iyer made
"inflammatory remarks" regarding Michael Schiavo.
Iyer's attorney's have filed papers saying the information Iyer discussed in
the CNN interview was a matter of public record at the time.
Iyer explained in an August 2003 affidavit for Terri's parents Bob and Mary
Schindler that that Michael would complain when staff would take care of her
or feed her. He would also refused to provide her with any rehabilitative
treatment.
"[T]hat's therapy -- take that washcloth out," he would tell Iyer.
She said, "it was clear to me at Palm Garden that all decisions regarding
Terri Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo with no allowances made for any
discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training
there consists solely of the instruction, 'Do what Michael Schiavo tells you
or you will be terminated.'"
"Very few of us were allowed to see Terri," she said. However, she saw
enough of Terri to know that she was not in a persistent vegetative state.
Iyer said one of the problems in the long legal battle between Michael and
the Schindlers had been courts not fully investigating every complaint and
concern.
"That's been the problem the whole time -- [presiding] Judge Greer not
looking into all the evidence," Iyer said last year.
Iyer said she has never been interviewed by any of the judges considering
Terri's case.
"None of us were able to testify," she said, referring to fellow nurses
Heidi Law and Carolyn Johnson, who both filed affidavits to confirm Iyer's
contention that Michael withheld medical care and rehabilitative treatment
and may have tried to take his wife's life.
In the affidavit, Iyer contends Michael repeatedly asked hospice staff when
Terri was going to die, with demeaning questions such as "When is that *****
gonna die?"
Iyer was ultimately fired from her position after filing a police report
regarding the insulin incident. She cared for Terri from April 1995 through
August 1996.
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J Yöung
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Jun 2006 01:42:58 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a vengeful lot.
Next thing you know they'll be calling for the execution of those who
disagree, the enslavement of inferiors, the mass killing of people of
other religions, and war after war.
Much like you and your ilk already do.
Or not.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "gatt" |
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28 Jun 2006 05:43:23 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a vengeful lot.
Next thing you know they'll be calling for the execution of those who
disagree, \
Right. Anybody who disagrees with them is a coward and a traitor, etc.
-c
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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27 Jun 2006 02:34:37 AM |
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Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
Is this behaviour plausible, given the vestigial nature of her
surviving brain?
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| User: "Tim McGaughy" |
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29 Jun 2006 12:23:55 AM |
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Nosterill wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
Is this behaviour plausible, given the vestigial nature of her
surviving brain?
No.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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27 Jun 2006 03:05:19 AM |
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On 27 Jun 2006 00:34:37 -0700, "Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com>
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youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
Is this behaviour plausible, given the vestigial nature of her
surviving brain?
Do you mean Schiavo or the "nurse" who's apparently stupid enough to
think we'll buy that story? <G>
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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27 Jun 2006 05:17:00 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On 27 Jun 2006 00:34:37 -0700, "Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com>
wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
Is this behaviour plausible, given the vestigial nature of her
surviving brain?
Do you mean Schiavo or the "nurse" who's apparently stupid enough to
think we'll buy that story? <G>
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a few who are more than willing
to buy the story. The quoted lines shocked me because they present an
image of a concious and emotionally aware woman - a million miles away
from the reality of a vegetable with a brain the size of a walnut. If
that kind of false impression is in common currency then it's no wonder
people have been getting over-excited about the whole affair.
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| User: "Kate " |
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27 Jun 2006 09:20:02 AM |
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On 27 Jun 2006 03:17:00 -0700, "Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com>
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John Baker wrote:
On 27 Jun 2006 00:34:37 -0700, "Nosterill" <robin@davinoptronics.com>
wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
Is this behaviour plausible, given the vestigial nature of her
surviving brain?
Do you mean Schiavo or the "nurse" who's apparently stupid enough to
think we'll buy that story? <G>
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a few who are more than willing
to buy the story. The quoted lines shocked me because they present an
image of a concious and emotionally aware woman - a million miles away
from the reality of a vegetable with a brain the size of a walnut. If
that kind of false impression is in common currency then it's no wonder
people have been getting over-excited about the whole affair.
This nurse has been repeatedly proven to lie. Apparently either a
publicity hound, or being paid for it.
That the story exists, especially in the annuls of the neo
conservative pulping machine means nothing.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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27 Jun 2006 11:31:19 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:34:37 -0700, Nosterill wrote:
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20
minutes with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying
hysterically."
Is this behaviour plausible, given the vestigial nature of her surviving
brain?
Yes. Not having a brain tends to make one a touch "lethargic".
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Jun 2006 08:15:15 AM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Nosterill"
<robin@davinoptronics.com> posting the following on 27 Jun 2006
00:34:37 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
Is this behaviour plausible, given the vestigial nature of her
surviving brain?
Not in the least. Hell, part of the care for Terri was giving her eye
drops because her tear ducts didn't work.
The woman's story is lie, long since debunked. There were no needle
marks, the "insulin container" was never produced, and she was fired
for cause.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing." - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
26 Jun 2006 11:23:45 PM |
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->The Florida Department of Health wants to revoke Carla Iyer's
->license over an interview she gave CNN last March about how
->Michael Schiavo failed to care for and mistreated Terri.
Carla Lyer is a Registered Nurse. She is a health care professional and
undoubtedly violated ethics standards required for her profession.
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| User: "cor" |
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27 Jun 2006 02:17:49 AM |
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As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a vengeful lot. Ms. Iyer
deserves a commandation, not harrassment.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1573.html
Tallahassee, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A nurse who cared for Terri Schiavo during
the mid 1990s and helped expose her former husband's mistreatment of her is
under attack from a state agency. The Florida Department of Health wants to
revoke Carla Iyer's license over an interview she gave CNN last March about
The ***** nurse violated Patient privacy and confidentiality laws!
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| User: "" |
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29 Jun 2006 02:45:53 PM |
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wrote:
As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a
vengeful lot. Ms. Iyer deserves a commandation,
not harrassment.
Florida is controlled by the Republicans. Heck, George
Dubya Bush's own brother is even the governor. If
someone is being unfairly persecuted here, they are
being unfairly persecuted by the conservative wing
of the Republican party.
Another interesting fact: That GOP controlled Florida
government investigated more than 80 charges of
abuse levelled at Terri Schiavo's husband, and every
single one of them turned out to be false.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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27 Jun 2006 03:58:14 AM |
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As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a vengeful lot. Ms. Iyer
The name says it all. Give it up or be made to look extremely stupid -
again.
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| User: "jcon" |
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27 Jun 2006 09:58:32 AM |
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wrote:
As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a vengeful lot. Ms. Iyer
deserves a commandation, not harrassment.
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1573.html
Tallahassee, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A nurse who cared for Terri Schiavo during
the mid 1990s and helped expose her former husband's mistreatment of her is
under attack from a state agency. The Florida Department of Health wants to
revoke Carla Iyer's license over an interview she gave CNN last March about
how Michael Schiavo failed to care for and mistreated Terri.
Iyer, who is employed at the Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center, filed
an affidavit for Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in his attempts to help Terri's
parents prevent Terri's death.
Iyer said that, after one visit by Michael in Terri's room for 20 minutes
with the door shut, Iyer found Terri lethargic and "crying hysterically."
She checked Terri's blood sugar levels and they were barely showing any
reading on the glucometer, she indicated. She also saw a vial of "insulin
concealed in the trash bin."
That's pretty damning stuff. I wonder why Terri Schiavo's family
didn't
call her as a witness during the trial.
Oh yeah, it was because they concluded she was a total nutball with
no credibility whatsoever who would only hurt their case.
-jc
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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27 Jun 2006 06:35:02 AM |
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wrote:
As we see daily here on Usenet, liberals can be a vengeful lot. Ms. Iyer
deserves a commandation, not harrassment.
Commandation? Is that retard speak for commendation?
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| User: "Johnny" |
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27 Jun 2006 05:08:38 PM |
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I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers and
thieves in government.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Jun 2006 07:22:12 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing." - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
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| User: "Johnny" |
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27 Jun 2006 07:31:44 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee or is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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29 Jun 2006 10:03:01 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee or is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills. If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger? We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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29 Jun 2006 11:35:56 AM |
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"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills.
Or, if you're like my late father, you throw yourself down a flight of
stairs headfirst so you can crack open your skull on the blue stone in the
foyer. How lovely that was :P
If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger? We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
I agree. I wish my dad could have been given a shot that put him to sleep
forever rather than having to take the drastic measure that he did. It
would have been a much nicer way for him to go and was what he wanted.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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29 Jun 2006 12:37:12 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151593381.770905.72090@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills.
Or, if you're like my late father, you throw yourself down a flight of
stairs headfirst so you can crack open your skull on the blue stone in the
foyer. How lovely that was :P
It couldn't have been a good site. See, there has to be a better way
for people to end their suffering.
If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger? We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
I agree. I wish my dad could have been given a shot that put him to sleep
forever rather than having to take the drastic measure that he did. It
would have been a much nicer way for him to go and was what he wanted.
If we ever get the christian whackos to understand that dying isn't the
same are murder, maybe we can finally have a humane way for people to
end their suffering.
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29 Jun 2006 01:17:04 PM |
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"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151602632.479435.181410@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151593381.770905.72090@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel
baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens
to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee
or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills.
Or, if you're like my late father, you throw yourself down a flight of
stairs headfirst so you can crack open your skull on the blue stone in
the
foyer. How lovely that was :P
It couldn't have been a good site. See, there has to be a better way
for people to end their suffering.
I didn't see him until the following day as I didn't even hear about it
until 10:30 that night - and that was only to say my goodbyes before they
turned off the respirator.
If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger? We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
I agree. I wish my dad could have been given a shot that put him to
sleep
forever rather than having to take the drastic measure that he did. It
would have been a much nicer way for him to go and was what he wanted.
If we ever get the christian whackos to understand that dying isn't the
same are murder, maybe we can finally have a humane way for people to
end their suffering.
Prior to this occurring, I remember discussing his situation with my
Catholic mother-in-law. She was very adamant that she didn't believe in
euthanasia. I told her that perhaps if she saw how much my father was
suffering, she might feel differently.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
29 Jun 2006 02:30:48 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel
baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens
to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee
or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills.
Or, if you're like my late father, you throw yourself down a flight of
stairs headfirst so you can crack open your skull on the blue stone in
the
foyer. How lovely that was :P
It couldn't have been a good site. See, there has to be a better way
for people to end their suffering.
I didn't see him until the following day as I didn't even hear about it
until 10:30 that night - and that was only to say my goodbyes before they
turned off the respirator.
How truly sad that must have been. My heart goes out to you. I'm
fortunate enough to still have both of my parents with me. My wife on
the other hand lost her mom a few years back, and she still cries on
the day her mom died. So, even though I've not been touched personally
by the death of a parent, I do see the pain it causes.
If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger? We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
I agree. I wish my dad could have been given a shot that put him to
sleep
forever rather than having to take the drastic measure that he did. It
would have been a much nicer way for him to go and was what he wanted.
If we ever get the christian whackos to understand that dying isn't the
same are murder, maybe we can finally have a humane way for people to
end their suffering.
Prior to this occurring, I remember discussing his situation with my
Catholic mother-in-law. She was very adamant that she didn't believe in
euthanasia. I told her that perhaps if she saw how much my father was
suffering, she might feel differently.
Unfortunately, the only thing that will change the minds of some people
is them actually experiencing the pain and suffering themselves. I
would hope that they then understand why we want people to have the
right to end their lives with dignity.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
29 Jun 2006 03:23:47 PM |
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"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151602632.479435.181410@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun
2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel
baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just
happens
to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has
a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches
as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby
killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from
Tallahassee
or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun
or
a bottle of pills.
Or, if you're like my late father, you throw yourself down a flight of
stairs headfirst so you can crack open your skull on the blue stone in
the
foyer. How lovely that was :P
It couldn't have been a good site. See, there has to be a better way
for people to end their suffering.
I didn't see him until the following day as I didn't even hear about it
until 10:30 that night - and that was only to say my goodbyes before they
turned off the respirator.
How truly sad that must have been.
Yeah, it was bloody awful - especially since my mother, who was there at the
time, decided to pick a fight with me. Talk about timing :P
My heart goes out to you. I'm
fortunate enough to still have both of my parents with me. My wife on
the other hand lost her mom a few years back, and she still cries on
the day her mom died. So, even though I've not been touched personally
by the death of a parent, I do see the pain it causes.
To be honest, I was just SO relieved that he was out of his misery. Also,
we weren't close, to put it mildly. I'm adopted and while he never said
anything to me about it (never once told me he loved me either), he said
make some remark to my brother, also adopted, about being "someone else's
kid".
I found out later that he was a real *****. Cheated on my mother since their
third year of marriage and had to gall to tell her about it. Do I miss him?
Not in the least.
If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to
their
head and pulling the trigger? We treat our pets with more respect
than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
I agree. I wish my dad could have been given a shot that put him to
sleep
forever rather than having to take the drastic measure that he did.
It
would have been a much nicer way for him to go and was what he wanted.
If we ever get the christian whackos to understand that dying isn't the
same are murder, maybe we can finally have a humane way for people to
end their suffering.
Prior to this occurring, I remember discussing his situation with my
Catholic mother-in-law. She was very adamant that she didn't believe in
euthanasia. I told her that perhaps if she saw how much my father was
suffering, she might feel differently.
Unfortunately, the only thing that will change the minds of some people
is them actually experiencing the pain and suffering themselves. I
would hope that they then understand why we want people to have the
right to end their lives with dignity.
Hate to break it to you, but she's so god-soaked she would never get it. Oh
well.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband FacesAttack |
29 Jun 2006 02:08:23 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
I agree. I wish my dad could have been given a shot that put him to sleep
forever rather than having to take the drastic measure that he did. It
would have been a much nicer way for him to go and was what he wanted.
My condolences on the loss of your father (no matter how long ago it was
when dad dies there's a hole in your heart that no one can ever fill).
There seems to be a new "trend" in suicide techniques; having someone
else unwillingly cause your death. Pulling a gun on a police officer has
become so common they've nick named it "suicide by cop", another one
that I find really selfish on the part of the one who wants to die is
throwing yourself in front of some kind of train. No matter how good the
train operator's reactions are s/he is going to feel horribly guilty
about not being able to stop in time. If there were laws permitting
these people to go legally they wouldn't drag strangers into their death.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
29 Jun 2006 10:04:58 AM |
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"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151593381.770905.72090@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills. If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger?
Or, starvation via pulling a feeding tube against your will?
We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
Not me.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
29 Jun 2006 08:17:33 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151593381.770905.72090@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun
2006 18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel
baby-killers and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just
happens to be the brother of the President, and whose state
legislature has a Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches
as Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby
killers and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from
Tallahassee or is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun
or a bottle of pills. If someone wants to die because they're tired
of the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to
their head and pulling the trigger?
Or, starvation via pulling a feeding tube against your will?
We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
Not me.
Don't worry, when your time comes you'll have plenty of help.
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
29 Jun 2006 10:22:05 AM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151593381.770905.72090@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills. If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger?
Or, starvation via pulling a feeding tube against your will?
If they're on a feeding tube, they aren't making the decision for
themselves which is a totally different situation that what we are
discussing. So, wouldn't you the person have a more human way of dying
than by shooting themselves in the head?
We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
Not me.
So, how did you make it better for a friend/family member who wanted to
die due to their illness?
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
29 Jun 2006 12:00:33 PM |
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"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151594525.309615.143050@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151593381.770905.72090@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel
baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens
to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee
or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills. If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger?
Or, starvation via pulling a feeding tube against your will?
If they're on a feeding tube, they aren't making the decision for
themselves which is a totally different situation that what we are
discussing.
Nah. You are talking about personal autonomy with regard to one's own life.
Pulling feeding tubes is in the same area.
You are mentioning people not having the right to end their suffering, then
you flip and seem to say that people on feeding tubes are not qualified to
have that right.
So, wouldn't you the person have a more human way of dying
than by shooting themselves in the head?
They can shoot themselves in the head if they want to.
I am not trying to make up their mind for them.
We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
Not me.
So, how did you make it better for a friend/family member who wanted to
die due to their illness?
I do not know if they wanted to die or not, but they died.
Any more questions?
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Nurse Who Helped Expose Terri Schiavo's Former Husband Faces Attack |
29 Jun 2006 12:32:26 PM |
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Johnny wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151594525.309615.143050@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1151593381.770905.72090@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Johnny wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:8oi3a2p81375rp9vugbcp8n9qkquf7qcpo@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and "Johnny"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> posting the following on Tue, 27 Jun 2006
18:08:38 -0400 iin alt.atheism?
I guess this is what happens when you get a bunch of cruel
baby-killers
and
thieves in government.
Hint: This all happened in *Florida.* Whose Governor just happens
to
be the brother of the President, and whose state legislature has a
Republican majority.
The judges who heard the numerous appeals and filings were
overwhelmingly appointed by Republicans, or ran for their benches as
Republicans.
So, according to you, the Bush GOP is a party of "cruel baby killers
and thieves."
Word twisting to suit your agenda?
Is it the Florida government who is firing this lady from Tallahassee
or
is
it the branch in Tampa?
Euthanasia freaks are euthanasia freaks.
People who want to die will find a way to do it - usually with a gun or
a bottle of pills. If someone wants to die because they're tired of
the suffering of pain or disease, wouldn't you rather they have a
humane way of doing so rather than resorting to putting a gun to their
head and pulling the trigger?
Or, starvation via pulling a feeding tube against your will?
If they're on a feeding tube, they aren't making the decision for
themselves which is a totally different situation that what we are
discussing.
Nah. You are talking about personal autonomy with regard to one's own life.
Pulling feeding tubes is in the same area.
No. Making your own decision to end your life is one thing. Having
someone else make the decision for you is another.
You are mentioning people not having the right to end their suffering, then
you flip and seem to say that people on feeding tubes are not qualified to
have that right.
Now, you're twisting my words. People on feeding tubes should have the
same right to end their suffering as well. However, what I'm saying
is, if you are on a feeding tube, you probably don't have the ability
to end your own life and someone else has to do it. Therefore, it
isn't the same situation.
So, wouldn't you the person have a more human way of dying
than by shooting themselves in the head?
They can shoot themselves in the head if they want to.
I am not trying to make up their mind for them.
But, wouldn't you rather there be a more humane way for them to die?
If you don't have a problem with them shooting themselves, why would
you care if someone sets up a device on which they have to press a
button that would kill them more humanely? The end result is the same,
and both processes have to be initiated by the person wanting to die.
So, why do you object to this?
We treat our pets with more respect than
we do friends/family who no longer wish to live due to extended
suffering.
Not me.
So, how did you make it better for a friend/family member who wanted to
die due to their illness?
I do not know if they wanted to die or not, but they died.
Any more questions?
Whether they died or not isn't the issue at hand. The issue at hand is
whether people have the right to die, and have a right to seek
assistance in killing themselves humanley.
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