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"J Young" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:11:33 AM |
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NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 12:05:32 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
Why do you hate the United States Constitution?
Why do you hate America?
Those who volunteer to serve their country in the United States military are
by understanding agreeing to make the supreme sacrifice in answer to their
country's call - and this is something to be honored by all Americans.
This does not preclude the responsibilty of every American to demand from
our elected and appointed leaders the highest possible standards when
considering whether to send those who serve into harm's way in defense of
this great nation. George W. Bush and his accolytes have grossly failed in
this responsibilty, and it is in honor of those who serve and have died for
this country that we who speak out against this administration do so as part
of our patriotic duty to the United States of America.
George W. Bush and his supporters have helped the 9/11 mass murderers
succeed beyond their wildest dreams. America is divided internally; more
Americans are dead; the world is united against America, terrorism
world-wide has TRIPLED; and the middle-east's newest recruiting and training
ground for terrorists - Iraq - is about to implement a socialist Islamic
theocracy.
Nice job.
-Jeff
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:32:49 AM |
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*It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
How christian and how compassionate of you...
Or do you mean that if your Jesus Christ came to Earth and made the
same type of gatherings that the Bible said he did, you'd be happy to
have him arrested?
Besides, another proof that freedom of expression in the USA is more
and more a vague concept...
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| User: "brutus" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:09:25 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127226768.963727.119950@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
*It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
How christian and how compassionate of you...
Or do you mean that if your Jesus Christ came to Earth and made the
same type of gatherings that the Bible said he did, you'd be happy to
have him arrested?
Besides, another proof that freedom of expression in the USA is more
and more a vague concept...
Actually it is a race issue, not religious. HTH.
Brutus
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:38:22 AM |
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On 20 Sep 2005 07:32:49 -0700, "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com>
wrote:
*It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
How christian and how compassionate of you...
Or do you mean that if your Jesus Christ came to Earth and made the
same type of gatherings that the Bible said he did, you'd be happy to
have him arrested?
Young is a practitioner of the Christianity of Hate.
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "Bill Bonde by a commodius vicus of" |
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20 Sep 2005 01:51:38 PM |
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Parsifal wrote:
*It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
How christian and how compassionate of you...
Or do you mean that if your Jesus Christ came to Earth and made the
same type of gatherings that the Bible said he did, you'd be happy to
have him arrested?
If the issue was freedom of speech, everyone posting here could be
arreseted.
Besides, another proof that freedom of expression in the USA is more
and more a vague concept...
Do you fear arrest?
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So they are even more frightened than we are, he thought. Why, is this
all that's meant by heroism? And did I do it for the sake of my country?
And was he to blame with his dimple and his blue eyes? How frightened he
was! He thought I was going to kill him. Why should I kill him? My hand
trembled. And they have given me the St. George's Cross. I can't make it
out, I can't make it out! +-Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"
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| User: "James Ascher" |
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20 Sep 2005 07:18:23 PM |
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J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
You're just another conservative against the First Amendment and Free
Speech!
James
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:11:24 PM |
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On 20-Sep-2005, James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
You're just another conservative against the First Amendment and Free
Speech!
Actually, he's a brainless troll who will take any side if he thinks it will
cause
someone, somewhere to validate his existence with even a negative response.
Susan
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:24:23 AM |
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J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and everyone else should
be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you hate America?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "osprey" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:32:57 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and everyone
else should
be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you hate America?
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to, then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made aware of
conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
A good example: You can't get up and speak to a crowd of people and urge
them to do something violent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "LC" |
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20 Sep 2005 09:45:58 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ScmdnTTcp7PFgK3eRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and
everyone else should be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you
hate America?
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to, then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made aware
of conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
A good example: You can't get up and speak to a crowd of people and urge
them to do something violent.
<snicker>
Y'know, it's kind of cute when Ostrich recites his latest lesson from his
night classes:
"Mommy, looky what I learned today!"
LC~ Ostrich's waist is a terrible thing to mind.
"Everyone has a right to a university degree in America, even if it's in
Hamburger Technology."~ Clive James
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| User: "Vince" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:49:11 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ScmdnTTcp7PFgK3eRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.> In this case, if they
didn't get a permit and they were required to, then that's on them.
I always hear people arguing that the Constitution must be strictly
observed. I also believe in strict construction.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The First Amendment says nothing about a "permit". Strictly construed, any
law requiring a permit would be unconstitutional. But of course we all know
that people want a strict constuction only when it suits their political
agenda.
Vince
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| User: "osprey" |
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20 Sep 2005 11:11:19 AM |
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"Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qaGdnby39LDmsq3eRVn-oA@comcast.com...
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ScmdnTTcp7PFgK3eRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.> In this case, if they
didn't get a permit and they were required to, then that's on them.
I always hear people arguing that the Constitution must be strictly
observed. I also believe in strict construction.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The First Amendment says nothing about a "permit". Strictly construed, any
law requiring a permit would be unconstitutional. But of course we all
know that people want a strict constuction only when it suits their
political agenda.
Then let the court system take it's course.
The First Amendment says nothing about, "you shall not speek out and provoke
people to breaking the law" either, but guess what..that type of speach is
restricted.
Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the Court adopted a new test - the "imminent
lawless action" test.
The Court set a three-part test that the government MUST meet if certain
communication is NOT to be protected by the First Amendment:
(1) the speaker subjectively intended incitement
(2) in context, the words used were likely to produce imminent, lawless
action
(3) the words used by the speaker objectively encouraged and urged
incitement
This test replaced the "clear and present danger" test, in determining when
speech should not be protected by the First amendment.
Vince
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| User: "Attila" |
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20 Sep 2005 11:04:16 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:49:11 -0400, "Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id <qaGdnby39LDmsq3eRVn-oA@comcast.com>
wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ScmdnTTcp7PFgK3eRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.> In this case, if they
didn't get a permit and they were required to, then that's on them.
I always hear people arguing that the Constitution must be strictly
observed. I also believe in strict construction.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The First Amendment says nothing about a "permit".
It says nothing about an amplified megaphone either.
Strictly construed, any
law requiring a permit would be unconstitutional.
That would depend on what the permit was for.
But of course we all know
that people want a strict constuction only when it suits their political
agenda.
Vince
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| User: "Bill" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:13:43 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ScmdnTTcp7PFgK3eRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and
everyone else should
be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you hate America?
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to, then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made aware
of conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
A good example: You can't get up and speak to a crowd of people and urge
them to do something violent.
Why would someone have to obtain permission from some government hack to do
something that is already
granted by the Constitution???
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "osprey" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:44:10 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:_EVXe.11892$pn2.4841@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ScmdnTTcp7PFgK3eRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and
everyone else should
be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you hate America?
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to, then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made aware
of conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
A good example: You can't get up and speak to a crowd of people and urge
them to do something violent.
Why would someone have to obtain permission from some government hack to
do something that is already
granted by the Constitution???
I guess you have to ask the people who require them to have a permit for a
loudspeaker.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/20/AR2005092000521.html
NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech
NEW YORK -- Police cut short a speech by anti-war activist Cindy
Sheehan and arrested a rally organizer, saying he hadn't obtained a
permit for use of a loudspeaker
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2005 12:00:47 PM |
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On 20-Sep-2005, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:ScmdnTTcp7PFgK3eRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to,
then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made
aware
of conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
A good example: You can't get up and speak to a crowd of people and
urge
them to do something violent.
Why would someone have to obtain permission from some government hack to
do
something that is already
granted by the Constitution???
Why are you bigots always so phonily disingenuous?
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:40:11 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:32:57 -0400, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and everyone
else should
be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you hate America?
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to, then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made aware of
conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
Query - did bush have to get a permit for his megaphone after 9-11?
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "" |
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20 Sep 2005 10:39:19 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:32:57 -0400, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to, then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made aware of
conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
Yeah get a dissent permit and move to the "free speech zone".
this was censorship plain and simple.
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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20 Sep 2005 12:03:33 PM |
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On 20-Sep-2005, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:32:57 -0400, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
In this case, if they didn't get a permit and they were required to, then
that's on them.
While I will always support freedom of speach, we must also be made aware
of
conditions that limit our freedom of speech.
Yeah get a dissent permit
You are both wrong.
It was a permit to for a loudspeaker.
IOW, a permit to make a LOT of public noise & cause a general distraction.
and move to the "free speech zone".
No one said that at all.
this was censorship plain and simple.
Not at all.
Susan
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20 Sep 2005 12:22:03 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:03:33 GMT, wrote:
Yeah get a dissent permit
You are both wrong.
It was a permit to for a loudspeaker.
IOW, a permit to make a LOT of public noise & cause a general distraction.
and move to the "free speech zone".
No one said that at all.
this was censorship plain and simple.
Not at all.
Did Bush need a megaphone permit for his 9-11 events in NYC?
Did they ask them to stop using the megaphone or just arrest them?
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "Attila" |
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20 Sep 2005 11:02:37 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:22:03 -0700, in
alt.abortion with message-id
<l5h0j1pt7pfkvg32n8csabe8261q64mjhg@4ax.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:03:33 GMT, wrote:
Yeah get a dissent permit
You are both wrong.
It was a permit to for a loudspeaker.
IOW, a permit to make a LOT of public noise & cause a general distraction.
and move to the "free speech zone".
No one said that at all.
this was censorship plain and simple.
Not at all.
Did Bush need a megaphone permit for his 9-11 events in NYC?
Did they ask them to stop using the megaphone or just arrest them?
Do you know for a fact he (or his organization) did not have one?
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"Should any political party attempt to abolish
social security, unemployment insurance, and
eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would
not hear of that party again in our political
history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them
are [a] few other Texas oil millionaires, and an
occasional politician or business man from other
areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 09:55:21 AM |
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osprey wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and everyone
else should
be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you hate America?
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
Mr. Young said nothing at all about any such conditions. He said, "It's about time someone
silenced this whining *****."
In other words, he cares only that the government "silenced" someone with whom he
disagreed. He clearly hates America.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "brutus" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 10:08:43 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:433022D9.5A78186E@serv.net...
osprey wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:43301B97.27C1F76F@serv.net...
J Young wrote:
It's about time someone silenced this whining *****.
So, the First Amendment exists only for people you agree with and
everyone
else should
be "silenced" by the police? Mr. Young, why do you hate America?
Careful, the first amendment is often times misunderstood. There are
conditions that will restrict a person from freedom of speach and could
often times land a person in trouble with the law.
Mr. Young said nothing at all about any such conditions. He said, "It's
about time someone
silenced this whining *****."
In other words, he cares only that the government "silenced" someone with
whom he
disagreed. He clearly hates America.
--
Gregory Gadow
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 11:21:25 AM |
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brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
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| User: "Jeff Welch" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 12:07:00 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
She did you ignorant *****.
Why do you hate the United States Constitution?
Why do you hate America?
Those who volunteer to serve their country in the United States military are
by understanding agreeing to make the supreme sacrifice in answer to their
country's call - and this is something to be honored by all Americans.
This does not preclude the responsibilty of every American to demand from
our elected and appointed leaders the highest possible standards when
considering whether to send those who serve into harm's way in defense of
this great nation. George W. Bush and his accolytes have grossly failed in
this responsibilty, and it is in honor of those who serve and have died for
this country that we who speak out against this administration do so as part
of our patriotic duty to the United States of America.
George W. Bush and his supporters have helped the 9/11 mass murderers
succeed beyond their wildest dreams. America is divided internally; more
Americans are dead; the world is united against America, terrorism
world-wide has TRIPLED; and the middle-east's newest recruiting and training
ground for terrorists - Iraq - is about to implement a socialist Islamic
theocracy.
Nice job.
-Jeff
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| User: "James Ascher" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 07:21:23 PM |
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J Young wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
So a personal tragedy shouldn't inspire a passionate campaign? Where
would the March of Dimes or the Red Cross or Jerry Lewis' Labor Day
Telethon be without personal tragedy to inspire them? You're a sick
MthrFckr!
James
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 11:00:55 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:21:23 GMT, James Ascher <jwa1968@earthlink.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<7I1Ye.1014$zQ3.1009@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
So a personal tragedy shouldn't inspire a passionate campaign? Where
would the March of Dimes or the Red Cross or Jerry Lewis' Labor Day
Telethon be without personal tragedy to inspire them? You're a sick
MthrFckr!
James
The operation and goals of the American military is hardly the March
of Dimes. Perhaps you should stop and remember the purpose of the
military. Hint - it is not to raise money for a charity.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
20 Sep 2005 05:05:01 PM |
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On 20 Sep 2005 09:21:25 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1127233285.440956.80830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> wrote:
brutus wrote:
Maybe he just hates whining... :)
Brutus
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
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| User: "torresD" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
21 Sep 2005 01:37:44 AM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:8k11j1pgp2s2i59rne2i9r8sksv8dh1675@4ax.com...
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Oh yeah right, Bush really respected the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
he just went AWOL.
Bush's kids haven't been signed up.
Bush and Cheney both skipped out, yet they send other people's kids to die
for oil and Israel's security.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: NYC Police Shut Down Cindy Sheehan Speech |
21 Sep 2005 07:00:33 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:37:44 GMT, "torresD" <torresd30@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<Yc7Ye.2245$q1.1111@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:8k11j1pgp2s2i59rne2i9r8sksv8dh1675@4ax.com...
Thankyou. I can't fathom how a woman who just lost her son, and who's
mother has one foot in the grave, can find all this time to travel,
have meetings, collect money, and attend rallies. Maybe she should
spend a few days at home and grieve with some quiet dignity.
Especially since her son signed up voluntarily. He was not drafted
and was hired and trained to do exactly what he was killed in the
process of doing. It was part of the agreement that he would go where
he was told to go and do what he was told to do. There are detailed
and exact procedures in the Uniform Code of Military Justice which
provides for anyone who feels he is given an unlawful order. These
procedures are told to every recruit as a vital and necessary part of
their basic training.
Oh yeah right, Bush really respected the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
he just went AWOL.
And I support so charging him if it can be proven.
Bush's kids haven't been signed up.
There is currently no law requiring enlistment. If draft registration
evasion is involved they should be prosecuted.
Bush and Cheney both skipped out, yet they send other people's kids to die
for oil and Israel's security.
Their elected positions may require such actions. If the majority
disagrees they can be called to task over this.
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