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Religions > Atheism |
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"Kurt Nicklas" |
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08 Oct 2007 05:51:11 AM |
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#NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
The crazed mental patient got into several confrontations while
running up Second Ave. near 35th St. before he took aim at Susan
Barron, 67, who was walking to church to have her dog blessed, sources
said.
Barron, who lives in the neighborhood, was stabbed at least 10 times
in the face, neck, arms and abdomen, leaving her badly mutilated,
witnesses said. She was rushed to Bellevue Hospital in critical
condition.
"He was chopping down on her," said Andrew Fink, 29, who was getting
into a cab when the attack took place. "I saw him hit her at least 10
times. She was screaming and crawling along the street and people were
running away.
"It looked like she was trying to crawl into the intersection. She was
crying out in pain. He looked very intent. He was systematically
bringing the weapon down on her."
Police said Coleman, 38, has a history of mental illness and has been
in and out of psychiatric clinics. He was off his medication, sources
said.
He has prior arrests in Georgia in 2001 for child abandonment,
assault, theft and receiving stolen property. He was also arrested in
2004 in New Jersey, but police were unclear on the charges.
Coleman's frenzy along Second Ave. began shortly before the 10:40 a.m.
stabbing. His first stop was Starbucks on 32nd St., where staff caught
him rifling through drawers behind the counter, police said.
He left empty-handed and walked a few blocks north to a deli, engaging
in an argument with a person there.
Coleman then walked to Texas Smokehouse restaurant. He asked to use
the bathroom, but instead went behind the counter and stole four
knives.
Chef Amarjit Singh, 56, was slashed across the face and neck as he
tried to stop Coleman, police sources said.
Singh fled the restaurant onto Second Ave. followed by Coleman, who
came face-to-face with Barron at the corner of 35th St. and, without
warning, turned the knives on her.
Barron - wearing a neck brace from a recent accident - fell to the
ground, holding her cane in one hand and her black Scottish terrier,
Velvet, on a leash in the other, but the attack continued.
Coleman was seen standing over Barron, stabbing her and slashing her
body "like a piece of meat," sources said. "He had so many knives that
he had to put some down on the ground" while he stabbed her with
others.
Despite being badly injured, Singh returned to the scene as Barron was
being attacked, rushed into the restaurant and grabbed towels and
aprons to stem her bleeding.
An off-duty NYPD Transit cop, Gregory Chin, who was on vacation and
had been eating at the Gemini diner near where the attack took place,
spotted the mayhem and intervened.
"Drop it, drop it, drop the f------ knife," he screamed at Coleman, a
police source said.
Coleman ignored Chin's order and advanced aggressively, wielding the
knives, forcing the cop to fire one round with his off-duty weapon,
hitting Coleman in the stomach.
Two bridge-and-tunnel officers helped wrestle Coleman to the ground,
where he continued to resist arrest after he was wounded, witnesses
said.
"Clearly this guy [Chin] is a hero," said Allan Chapin, 66, who
witnessed events from the diner window. "This guy saved a few lives.
He [Coleman] was wrestling like crazy, and it took four policemen to
subdue him and get the cuffs on."
Coleman had been especially upset over an ongoing problem with a
girlfriend, sources said.
Family members met with Coleman Friday night and convinced him to see
a psychiatrist, sources said. But Coleman bolted as relatives tried to
shuffle him into a car to drive him to the doctor.
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cboyle@nydailynews.com
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 09:02:40 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290150@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cboyle@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,3668140.story?coll=la-home-center
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Bill Smith" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 10:38:42 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290150@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cboyle@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,3668140.story?coll=la-home-center
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
Bill Smith
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| User: "Aston Barrett" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 11:17:43 AM |
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Bill Smith wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290150@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cboyle@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,3668140.story?coll=la-home-center
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
And also note that all victims were unarmed.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 11:19:01 AM |
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In article <5ijkg3951rd6apqg27dj62aa3shs46e0tv@
4ax.com>, Bill Smith said...
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all,
much less give any indication that he didn't know the
difference between a knife and a gun.
<Sigh>
Read the subject line. Ponder it. Draw some
inferences. Then feel that uncomfortable surge of
warmth which comes from the embarrassment of saying
something foolish in front of the whole world.
--
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 01:34:34 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:38:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Bill Smith
<quandary@newsguy.com> in <5ijkg3951rd6apqg27dj62aa3shs46e0tv@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290150@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cboyle@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,3668140.story?coll=la-home-center
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
I am sorry you didn't get his attempt at humor. Ask him to explain to
you the "ban" bit and how that related knives and guns. You did see
the subject line, didn't you? I suppose not, because otherwise you are
lying about his making no comments.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Bill Smith" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
09 Oct 2007 11:02:11 AM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:34:34 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:38:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Bill Smith
<quandary@newsguy.com> in <5ijkg3951rd6apqg27dj62aa3shs46e0tv@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290150@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cboyle@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,3668140.story?coll=la-home-center
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
I am sorry you didn't get his attempt at humor. Ask him to explain to
you the "ban" bit and how that related knives and guns. You did see
the subject line, didn't you? I suppose not, because otherwise you are
lying about his making no comments.
It would have been reasonable to ask the poster where the article made
any mention of a ban on kitchen knives, but that isn't what you did.
The subject line, while most certainly irrelevant to the subject
matter of the article, gives no indication at all whether or not the
poster know the difference between knives and guns.
Bill Smith
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
09 Oct 2007 01:49:27 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:02:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Bill Smith
<quandary@newsguy.com> in <r49ng3llfn8bi4dijckogn6sumjduk2361@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:34:34 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:38:42 -0700, in alt.atheism , Bill Smith
<quandary@newsguy.com> in <5ijkg3951rd6apqg27dj62aa3shs46e0tv@4ax.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290150@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cboyle@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,3668140.story?coll=la-home-center
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
I am sorry you didn't get his attempt at humor. Ask him to explain to
you the "ban" bit and how that related knives and guns. You did see
the subject line, didn't you? I suppose not, because otherwise you are
lying about his making no comments.
It would have been reasonable to ask the poster where the article made
any mention of a ban on kitchen knives, but that isn't what you did.
That would be one way to approach it. I might have done that if I did
not understand the OP's point. He was trying to make a statement about
gun bans by pointing out that people can use knives to attack.
The subject line, while most certainly irrelevant to the subject
matter of the article, gives no indication at all whether or not the
poster know the difference between knives and guns.
Sigh. I guess I will have to spell out my response to you as well as
explaining Kurt's point. Yes, I bet that Kurt could probably sort guns
and knives into the appropriate piles. Kurt tried to make a point
about gun bans and I made a point about how guns are far more deadly
than knives. I wanted to try to draw his attention to that particular
distinction.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "Kurt Nicklas" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 10:52:09 AM |
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On Oct 8, 11:38 am, Bill Smith <quand...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cbo...@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,...
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
Silberstein is probably a Usenet bot in Beta. No sentient human could
be so stupid.
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| User: "BizarroBush" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 11:51:39 AM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1191858729.108048.72120@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 8, 11:38 am, Bill Smith <quand...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cbo...@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,...
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
Silberstein is probably a Usenet bot in Beta. No sentient human could
be so stupid.
You can't be any dumber.
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| User: "3816 Dead" |
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| Title: Re: #NYC To Seek Kitchen Knife Ban? |
08 Oct 2007 12:25:32 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:51:39 GMT, "BizarroBush"
<LilGWBooHoo@CrawfordRanch.net> wrote:
"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1191858729.108048.72120@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 8, 11:38 am, Bill Smith <quand...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cbo...@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,...
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
Silberstein is probably a Usenet bot in Beta. No sentient human could
be so stupid.
You can't be any dumber.
A couple of injuries as opposed to seven dead (and an eighth likely to
die).
And the shooter was a cop, no less.
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"3816 Dead" <zepp22113816@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
news:3upkg3tk0ijiou4ol4dadq6cc497gqpbc8@4ax.com...
You can't be any dumber.
A couple of injuries as opposed to seven dead (and an eighth likely to
die).
And the shooter was a cop, no less.
I'd say keep sharp, pointy objects and things that go >>BANG<< away from
Kurt and his rightarded, prozac crunchin' mental cripples.
His mom had to chop up his hot dogs or they'd end up in his little brother's
*****. :^)
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08 Oct 2007 03:07:47 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:52:09 -0700, Kurt Nicklas
<nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Oct 8, 11:38 am, Bill Smith <quand...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:02:40 -0400, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:51:11 -0700, in alt.atheism , Kurt Nicklas
<nickl...@bellsouth.net> in
<1191840671.176711.290...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
[snip]
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cbo...@nydailynews.com
Off-duty deputy kills 6 in Wisconsin - Los Angeles Times
"An off-duty deputy sheriff shot six young people to death early
Sunday before being killed by authorities in a Wisconsin town so small
that it doesn't have traffic lights."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8oct08,0,...
So we have, on one day, a guy who stabbed some people, all of whom
survived, and a guy who killed six. And somehow you can't see the
difference between the knife and the gun.
Please point out where the poster made any comment at all, much less
give any indication that he didn't know the difference between a knife
and a gun.
Silberstein is probably a Usenet bot in Beta. No sentient human could
be so stupid.
As another Irony-o-meter dies laughing...
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"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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08 Oct 2007 03:22:30 PM |
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On Oct 8, 5:51 am, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
The crazed mental patient got into several confrontations while
running up Second Ave. near 35th St. before he took aim at Susan
Barron, 67, who was walking to church to have her dog blessed, sources
said.
Barron, who lives in the neighborhood, was stabbed at least 10 times
in the face, neck, arms and abdomen, leaving her badly mutilated,
witnesses said. She was rushed to Bellevue Hospital in critical
condition.
"He was chopping down on her," said Andrew Fink, 29, who was getting
into a cab when the attack took place. "I saw him hit her at least 10
times. She was screaming and crawling along the street and people were
running away.
"It looked like she was trying to crawl into the intersection. She was
crying out in pain. He looked very intent. He was systematically
bringing the weapon down on her."
Police said Coleman, 38, has a history of mental illness and has been
in and out of psychiatric clinics. He was off his medication, sources
said.
He has prior arrests in Georgia in 2001 for child abandonment,
assault, theft and receiving stolen property. He was also arrested in
2004 in New Jersey, but police were unclear on the charges.
Coleman's frenzy along Second Ave. began shortly before the 10:40 a.m.
stabbing. His first stop was Starbucks on 32nd St., where staff caught
him rifling through drawers behind the counter, police said.
He left empty-handed and walked a few blocks north to a deli, engaging
in an argument with a person there.
Coleman then walked to Texas Smokehouse restaurant. He asked to use
the bathroom, but instead went behind the counter and stole four
knives.
Chef Amarjit Singh, 56, was slashed across the face and neck as he
tried to stop Coleman, police sources said.
Singh fled the restaurant onto Second Ave. followed by Coleman, who
came face-to-face with Barron at the corner of 35th St. and, without
warning, turned the knives on her.
Barron - wearing a neck brace from a recent accident - fell to the
ground, holding her cane in one hand and her black Scottish terrier,
Velvet, on a leash in the other, but the attack continued.
Coleman was seen standing over Barron, stabbing her and slashing her
body "like a piece of meat," sources said. "He had so many knives that
he had to put some down on the ground" while he stabbed her with
others.
Despite being badly injured, Singh returned to the scene as Barron was
being attacked, rushed into the restaurant and grabbed towels and
aprons to stem her bleeding.
An off-duty NYPD Transit cop, Gregory Chin, who was on vacation and
had been eating at the Gemini diner near where the attack took place,
spotted the mayhem and intervened.
"Drop it, drop it, drop the f------ knife," he screamed at Coleman, a
police source said.
Coleman ignored Chin's order and advanced aggressively, wielding the
knives, forcing the cop to fire one round with his off-duty weapon,
hitting Coleman in the stomach.
Two bridge-and-tunnel officers helped wrestle Coleman to the ground,
where he continued to resist arrest after he was wounded, witnesses
said.
"Clearly this guy [Chin] is a hero," said Allan Chapin, 66, who
witnessed events from the diner window. "This guy saved a few lives.
He [Coleman] was wrestling like crazy, and it took four policemen to
subdue him and get the cuffs on."
Coleman had been especially upset over an ongoing problem with a
girlfriend, sources said.
Family members met with Coleman Friday night and convinced him to see
a psychiatrist, sources said. But Coleman bolted as relatives tried to
shuffle him into a car to drive him to the doctor.
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cbo...@nydailynews.com
Obviously Chef Amarjit Singh was at fault for not having those assault
weapons in a locked box.
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08 Oct 2007 05:30:46 PM |
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On Oct 8, 6:51?am, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Woman fights for life after psycho goes on knife rampage
BY ALISON GENDAR, JOHN LAUINGER and CHRISTINA BOYLE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Sunday, October 7th 2007, 4:00 AM
A shirtless madman wielding stolen knives went on a bloody midtown
rampage yesterday - stabbing a restaurant worker and a psychologist
walking her dog before being shot by an off-duty cop, authorities
said.
Deranged Lee Coleman stood wild-eyed over the dog-walker, methodically
plunging a knife into her body and face over and over - even pausing
to change knives as the woman lay in a pool of blood, screaming for
help.
The crazed mental patient got into several confrontations while
running up Second Ave. near 35th St. before he took aim at Susan
Barron, 67, who was walking to church to have her dog blessed, sources
said.
Barron, who lives in the neighborhood, was stabbed at least 10 times
in the face, neck, arms and abdomen, leaving her badly mutilated,
witnesses said. She was rushed to Bellevue Hospital in critical
condition.
"He was chopping down on her," said Andrew Fink, 29, who was getting
into a cab when the attack took place. "I saw him hit her at least 10
times. She was screaming and crawling along the street and people were
running away.
"It looked like she was trying to crawl into the intersection. She was
crying out in pain. He looked very intent. He was systematically
bringing the weapon down on her."
Police said Coleman, 38, has a history of mental illness and has been
in and out of psychiatric clinics. He was off his medication, sources
said.
He has prior arrests in Georgia in 2001 for child abandonment,
assault, theft and receiving stolen property. He was also arrested in
2004 in New Jersey, but police were unclear on the charges.
Coleman's frenzy along Second Ave. began shortly before the 10:40 a.m.
stabbing. His first stop was Starbucks on 32nd St., where staff caught
him rifling through drawers behind the counter, police said.
He left empty-handed and walked a few blocks north to a deli, engaging
in an argument with a person there.
Coleman then walked to Texas Smokehouse restaurant. He asked to use
the bathroom, but instead went behind the counter and stole four
knives.
Chef Amarjit Singh, 56, was slashed across the face and neck as he
tried to stop Coleman, police sources said.
Singh fled the restaurant onto Second Ave. followed by Coleman, who
came face-to-face with Barron at the corner of 35th St. and, without
warning, turned the knives on her.
Barron - wearing a neck brace from a recent accident - fell to the
ground, holding her cane in one hand and her black Scottish terrier,
Velvet, on a leash in the other, but the attack continued.
Coleman was seen standing over Barron, stabbing her and slashing her
body "like a piece of meat," sources said. "He had so many knives that
he had to put some down on the ground" while he stabbed her with
others.
Despite being badly injured, Singh returned to the scene as Barron was
being attacked, rushed into the restaurant and grabbed towels and
aprons to stem her bleeding.
An off-duty NYPD Transit cop, Gregory Chin, who was on vacation and
had been eating at the Gemini diner near where the attack took place,
spotted the mayhem and intervened.
"Drop it, drop it, drop the f------ knife," he screamed at Coleman, a
police source said.
Coleman ignored Chin's order and advanced aggressively, wielding the
knives, forcing the cop to fire one round with his off-duty weapon,
hitting Coleman in the stomach.
Two bridge-and-tunnel officers helped wrestle Coleman to the ground,
where he continued to resist arrest after he was wounded, witnesses
said.
"Clearly this guy [Chin] is a hero," said Allan Chapin, 66, who
witnessed events from the diner window. "This guy saved a few lives.
He [Coleman] was wrestling like crazy, and it took four policemen to
subdue him and get the cuffs on."
Coleman had been especially upset over an ongoing problem with a
girlfriend, sources said.
Family members met with Coleman Friday night and convinced him to see
a psychiatrist, sources said. But Coleman bolted as relatives tried to
shuffle him into a car to drive him to the doctor.
Singh was hospitalized at Bellevue in serious but stable condition,
while Coleman was in stable condition at the same hospital. Coleman
was charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of
a weapon.
Chin was given a sobriety test - which he passed - under a new and
controversial NYPD policy introduced last Sunday.
cbo...@nydailynews.com
People will be headed off the deep end more and more as time goes by.
As our earth heats up, we have too much stress on our backs from wrong
living and overcrowding, we will continue to get bombarded with more
radio and satellite waves and radiation and when our excessive desires
cannot be fulfilled any longer to distract us from the hellish world
we have created for humans to live in...people will snap.
Our food supply has degenerated unbelievably in recent years and is
getting worse every day that goes by.
It is factory made, genetically engineered poison.
If the poison dopes not drive us crazy, the salty and unnatural
combinations and nutritionally bankrupt content will do the job.
The fruits and vegetables taste like rubber and seem to rot before
they ripen...and all for the bargain price of $2 to $3 a pound.
But the world has bigger problems that bad fruits and food. We could
clean up our food, but cannot clean up the real mess we have created.
Our population has grown to levels where it has passed the point of no
return for supporting a sustainable human population as we know it
today.
Population control is a sad but undeniable truth that we all must
accept someday.
Since the US is said to be about 75% Christian and was founded on
maximum freedom for its people, I doubt whether the US will ever come
up with a population control plan. It would be too controversial and
it goes against promoting life and personal freedoms.
And while I cannot deny the wisdom of promoting life and freedom,
sometime we must accept the lesser of two evils if promoting life
turns into being more destructive to life than 'not promoting' it.
It then becomes a decision whether to choose between the 'greater good
for the whole' or the 'greater personal right for the individual'...
and the whole be damned. (Whole meaning entire human population of our
planet.)
For instance, on a farm if the plants are planted packed like sardines
(or 'packed like sushi' as they say in Japan) the plants do not
flourish.
In nature, trees that are overcrowded weed themselves out by nature's
decree. But if man forced the trees to not weed out and forces
crowding the trees may die from disease due to a forced and
unsustainable growth plan.
So it goes with how our planet is evolving...a sad but exactly true
statement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation
You see, the problem is not with the earth having enough land for all
its people - the problem is with earth providing ad infinitum for all
the needs the people crave.
The more people born, the more heat is produced from their life and
all their cravings, As such, the warmer and more polluted the earth
gets and the more energy they all use and the earths resources are
depleted.
Fueling the problem of consumption is the games the Federal banks play
with interest rates. They manage the economies in ways to fuel
consumption to mask the real trend.
Our economy is not based on sustainable health - it is based low
interest credit to encourage compulsive spending, debt, living a life
of constant consumption with a 'disposable mentality' when it comes to
durable goods.
All this consumption contributes to more and more global warming and
the depletion of our natural resources. Then the governments juggle
the numbers to make the inflation figures seem artificially low, so
everyone's retirement portfolio will make them happy so they will
continue to buy and consume more...and on it goes.
China and India are just starting to bloom with their demands for
fossil fuels We haven't seen anything yet with the meteoric rise of
gas, energy and over consumption.
In China the per capita car ownership rate is 40 car owners per 1000
persons. In India it is much lower, running 8 cars per 1000 people. As
these two giants evolve more of their population will want cars...in
India, they are making a $2500 car as well.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/05/percapita_car_o.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20394364/
But what can one say about the problem unless people just cut back
reproducing?
Everyone has a desire to have some sex stimulation and through that
stimulation comes more and more people.
And everyone has a desire to keep warm when it is cold or to keep cool
in the heat or move about the earth and wear clothes. And it is from
all those desires that global warming fueled through the expenditure
of fossil fuels takes place.
But the sad reality is even if people cut back having babies, we are
only delaying the inevitable and that alone will not fix the problem.
It can be compared to men stuck underwater in a crippled submarine.
The more they move around, the quicker they run out of air and die.
The less they move, the longer they can live...but the end result is
the same.
Now maybe some genius will come up with a replacement for petroleum,
natural gas and coal to meet all out needs. But it is unrealistic to
think we can grow enough corn to fuel all the trucks, airlines, cargo
ships, cars and other needs we humans have in addition run all the
power plants and factories, heat and cool our homes.
You see all our energy needs are met with non sustainable non
renewable resources whether it be coal, petroleum, or natural gas.
Even nuclear power is dependent on the mining of uranium and has
limits as to how long the supply will last.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4287300/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves
But lets not project too far in the future and try to keep our minds
on the problems at hand.
$10 a gallon gas in the future? What about $40 a gallon gas??
No doubt! All we have to do is look to history for the answer.
When I first took notice of gas prices in the early 70's gas was .22
cents a gallon.
No one would have thought that gas would take a 1360% rise in price in
3 1/2 decades.
In addition to cars and gasoline, tons of other products and
industries are dependent on crude oil as a component for their
products.
http://www.lmoga.com/refoutput.htm
I can see how life has degenerated in recent years and this is just
the tip of the berg for things to come. I am not an alarmist as one
lady accused me, but I would do humanity a disservice if I did not
bring this topic up now an again for discussion.
See my post
"Your sanity is my sanity and my sanity is your sanity."
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=628.0
When you bring up population control the talk naturally turns to China
and India.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2872/is_1_27/ai_71563390
And population control alone is a controversial subject to discuss
...."when you get beyond the mythology and seriously examine the one-
child policy, it is clear the policy is not viable even if one can
stomach the horrendous human rights violations it entails."
From:
http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/countries-of-the-world/asia/china/chinas-one-child-policy/
But in reality, there is no such thing as 'opinionated' -
'provocative' 'controversial' subjects.
These are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind. Such 'mind
blocks' may bother one, but do not bother another. As such, all
problems related to 'controversial subjects' such as this are problems
created in the mind...the mind of ego based, prejudicial man.
My own opinion is this:
Since the US enjoys so much freedom, be it freedom of religion or
freedom of personal liberty, I doubt whether anything will ever be
done with this topic and we will just keep growing with our population
and our insatiable demands.
Any president would do doubt have little success in getting anything
done with population control. We can hear the cries
now...Communist!...Atheist!...Baby Killer....Hitler!!!!
So the best thing for the president to do would be to put it before
the public every 3 years in a national election to get America's
verdict on the subject. Put America on record. Then at least the
president could say he tried, but the people of the US prefer to thumb
their noses at the rest of the world and the vote is in...we will do
as we like.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption
When we can understand that all humans are interdependent and not
independent of one another, we come to realize that we all share the
same breath.
If anyone is against population control and has no other viable
alternative to offer other than Communist!...Atheist!...Baby
Killer....Hitler! - when they are asked what can be done to **slow
down global warming - slow down over consumption - slow down the
destruction of the human race that hell bent on growing at an
unsustainable pace - they should respond:
"I just don't care...that is someone else's problem not mine."
Now, I don't claim to have the magic bullet to fix all our woes. I'm
just a simple philosopher not a scientist or genius. All I can do is
to bring the problem to the forefront and ask that we all work in a
more healthier direction that the one we have been headed in.
(**It seems global warming can't be fixed, it can only be slowed
down...too many people on earth to fix it...to many demands...too many
cravings...best we can do is to slow it down)
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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V wrote:
Our population has grown to levels where it has passed the point of no
return for supporting a sustainable human population as we know it
today.
Simply not true. ALL the people of the world could fit into Texas and
not be any more crowded than New York City.
Population control is a sad but undeniable truth that we all must
accept someday.
Total and common mistake. It it assuming life is a "zero sum" game. It
is not. Invention and innovation make all things possible.
Since the US is said to be about 75% Christian and was founded on
maximum freedom for its people, I doubt whether the US will ever come
up with a population control plan. It would be too controversial and
it goes against promoting life and personal freedoms.
Of course the U.S. HAS come up with controversial population control
plans. They are known as AIDS and EBOLA and the ones you don't know
about yet. They are working quite well in Africa and the Gay community
as I recall. (if you MUST reduce population, you might as well get rid
of the "undesirables" first!)
And while I cannot deny the wisdom of promoting life and freedom,
sometime we must accept the lesser of two evils if promoting life
turns into being more destructive to life than 'not promoting' it.
It then becomes a decision whether to choose between the 'greater good
for the whole' or the 'greater personal right for the individual'...
and the whole be damned. (Whole meaning entire human population of our
planet.)
Sorry there is NO reason to choose between the "lesser of two evils".
There is NO reason to start adopting the Vulcan leftist philosophy.
Fact is, that what people have to come to realize is that we no longer
live in a vast uncharted wilderness with so many trees and land and
natural resources that you can stupidly and blindly waste them as if
the supply were limitless! Virtually ALL of the original trees have
been cut and often stupidly burned or used to make iron rails and the
like. Oil is in limited supply and driving huge stupid trucks to go to
the grocery store simply isn't going to work anymore. Building houses
by stacking up whole trees is an idea that belongs to another age.
Unless people get this large trouble looms ahead.
Never forget that population systems are self-regulating (get too many
people, it causes some to die reducing the population) BUT the systems
are NOT stable! There will be serious convulsions as the system goes
nuts trying to self-regulate. It would be so much easier to simply cut
back our consumption and try to get along with our neighbors first.
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