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http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/article_show.aspx?Q=62
Source: DAILY MIRROR 16 May 02
"I lost my dad, my marriage and the band... I thought about suicide but
Anita saved me...."
BRIAN May is exhausted. His face, framed by the notorious wild mane of hair
is pale, the features look drawn.
The legendary guitarist of rock band Queen has had little sleep for weeks.
We Will Rock You, the spectacular West End musical which features 31 Queen
hits set to a new story by Ben Elton opened last night, and since January,
Brian has devoted every waking moment to it.
As co-producer with Robert De Niro he is at the theatre day and night,
dedicated and completely obsessed.
But working so hard he is absolutely exhilarated. "It's insane," he tells me
happily, backstage at the Dominion Theatre as the sound of We Are The
Champions pounds through the building.
"You just chuck food down yourself. I don't even have time to go to the
toilet, for heaven's sake. And yet I feel great. Very focused and very
fortunate."
He looks good too, despite the fatigue. At 54, ludicrously he still looks as
he always has done.
But the way he feels is in stark contrast to how he was for most of the last
decade. Freddie Mercury's tragic death from Aids in 1991 sparked off a
depression that culminated in a breakdown four years ago and thoughts of
suicide.
"I'm sitting here smiling, and very happy now. But back then I could never
have imagined it," he tells me somewhat hesitantly. Always polite and highly
intelligent he is, at heart, a very private man.
"I thought my life was over. I was totally and utterly depressed, I mean
real, proper depression. When you literally can't get out of bed, you just
want to pull the covers over.
"It's like you're paralysed. I found I couldn't see colour. There was no
colour in the world, literally. Even music didn't get to me in the worst
moments. Depression would clamp down like a fog. Black fog.
"I can remember looking up at planes and thinking, 'My God, somebody built
that plane, somebody is flying it. They've had the strength to achieve
things. I don't even know how to get breakfast inside me. How can people be
so in control of their lives?"
FREDDIE'S death was not the only disaster that Brian had to contend with
that year.
"My father died, and everything happened at once," he says, looking bleak.
"I lost one of my closest friends, I lost the band, which was like a family,
I lost my marriage. All in the same year.
"I have great strength, a strong optimistic side, but because I didn't
really deal with the loss, I was carrying this low-grade depression for a
long time. And much later, when I came to the complete crisis, I'd lost my
Mum too."
He tried many forms of therapy, but ultimately they didn't help. In utter
despair, Brian checked himself into Cottonwood, a clinic in Arizona, where
nobody knew who he was. "I was in with people in a similar position, but
also drug addicts and alcoholics and people with food disorders.
"It's the same thing, you've lost yourself. It's a loss of self. You realise
you're not the only person who is suffering."
Brian had always avoided taking medication. He has never taken drugs. "I
know people find hard to believe. That's what they said to me when I was in.
'Really? A rock guitarist! Are you telling us the truth?' I was like, It's
just not the way I am.'" He resisted taking antidepressants until his final
week. When he gave in, the results were disastrous.
"They made me 100 times worse. I was shaking. I had this out-of-body feeling
the whole time, my whole insides went, I couldn't keep any food in me," he
says.
"But the moment when I said to myself, 'I ain't gonna do this,' was the
moment I started to feel better. I started to walk forward in the right
direction.
"It was the beginning of a new life. Wipe the slate clean. I was a new
person. Now I'm incredibly productive, very enthusiastic, very happy. I'm
not religious, but I thank God every day." His long-standing relationship
with actress Anita Dobson, whom he'd met in the Eighties when she was
starring as Angie in EastEnders, took on a new lease of life as well.
"She's incredible," he says, a smile lighting up his face. "If I didn't have
Anita, all the therapy in the world wouldn't sort me. If she wasn't by my
side now, I wouldn't be in this state. She's somehow part of me.
"I'm very logical. I had a scientific upbringing, and I'm not the kind of
person who would say anything like this lightly, but there is a supernatural
force at work, as far as I'm concerned, with Anita.
"Any time that I've tried to turn my back on her in the smallest possible
way, my guts fall out.
"Ever since I first set eyes on her, she's been an essential part of my
life. Even my mum used to say, 'There's a kind of sunshine that flows out of
Anita.' And once you've experienced it, you can't do without it." He shrugs
his shoulders and admits:
"When she gets ***** with me, the world goes black, it really does. The
thread is very strong." When they met, Brian's life was turned upside down.
He was married with three children and the trauma of the split still haunts
him.
"It was utter hell for three years," he says. "Sheer pain. To contemplate
not waking up with your kids is unthinkable. Anyone who finds themselves in
that position can never forgive themselves. I don't know if I have still,
really. But I know in my heart there was no other way."
Now he talks proudly, like any parent, of how well they are doing. And he
and Anita finally married secretly in November 2000.
"It was just for us," he says. "We looked each other in the eye, and made
the full commitment, and it's been great. It was a big thing for me. I'd
already failed in a marriage, so I wasn't going to go into it without a
great deal of thought. But it's strengthened our relationship beyond
belief."
Now he feels he's achieved balance in his life between home, children and
work. A balance that has been thrown temporarily off, because the musical is
so demanding. Six years in development, at a cost of £7.5 million. He is a
lovely man, sweet-natured, thoughtful and utterly genuine.
PASSIONATE about the young cast, he describes vividly the standing ovation
they got on Parkinson, taped for screening on May 18.
"It gave me the shivers," he says. "When Freddie died, we all thought it was
the end. And it was, the end of an era. But something does live on in this.
"Nobody could sing like Freddie, but nobody is trying. The whole thing is
steeped in the spirit of Queen, and Freddie is part of that. He is in there
loud and clear." It is obvious that Brian still misses Freddie. "But most of
the time I have very happy memories," he says fondly.
Alan Price:
Smile while you're makin' it.
Laugh while you're takin' it.
Even though you're fakin' it.
Nobody's gonna know.
THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST
''By their fruits ye shall know them.''
....
Behold, we are surrounded by demons, yea, we are encircled about by the
angels of him who hath sought to destroy our souls (the cause of mental
depression, saith the Lord). Behold our iniquities are great. O Lord, canst
thou not turn away thine anger from us? And this shall be your language in
those days. But behold, your days of probation are past; ye have
procrastinated the day of your salvation until it is everlastingly too late,
and your destruction is made sure; yea, for ye have sought all the days of
your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and ye have sought for
happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the nature of that
righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head. O ye people of the
land that ye would hear my words! And I pray that the anger of the Lord be
turned away from you, and that ye would repent and be saved."
Helaman 13:23-39. The words of a Prophet of the Lord unto the nation
which inhabited the land before this one, which inhabitants covered the
face of the land as does this one, saith the Lord God of Art Bulla.
~~"Introductory Quotes" in *The Revelations of Jesus Christ*, pgs. ix,xiii
Earth & Sky interviews Brian May of Queen
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE : November 09, 2006
....
With a musical career spanning 3 decades, Queen founding member Brian May is
a world-renowned guitarist, songwriter, producer, and performer. What Earth
& Sky listeners may not know is that he is also an astronomer.
Brian May gave up his PhD studies in interplanetary dust to form Queen. Now,
almost four decades later, he has come full circle to co-write BANG! THE
COMPLETE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE with astronomers Patrick Moore and Chris
Lintott.
"I've had some wonderful times in my life. But I've also had some severe
depression," May told Earth & Sky. "And in those times, I would go out and
look at the sky and see perhaps Orion, in the sky, looking very strong and
brave, and always the same. Always a friend I could come back to. I remember
looking up at the stars and feeling brave, feeling that there was something
eternal. And that I would get through, and I would find a better place."
Earth & Sky features Brian May on two of its broadcasts: Rock Star Describes
Spiritual Lift from Astronomy and Bang! An Astronomy Book by Brian May of
Queen.
44 ... The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things denote there
is a God; yea, even the earth, and all things that are upon the face of it,
yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in their
regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 30:44)
http://www.earthsky.org/press/51544/earth-sky-interviews-brian-may-of-queen
"I grew up listening to Brian's music and was blown away to discover his
love of astronomy," said writer and producer Jorge Salazar, who interviewed
May for Earth & Sky. "We are delighted to share his vision of making science
accessible to everyone."
165 And as respecting that theory concerning the origin of man upon the
earth in the which he is said to have sprung from orders that are called
lower, behold, it is false and cometh from that Evil One who goeth up and
down in the earth blinding the hearts of the children of men, in the which
they raise their heads in wickedness before me, and deny the Holy Ghost and
the Creator that made them.
166 Thus they become devils forever and ever, saith the Lord, and suffer the
wrath of the Lord in eternity and are cast into that lake of fire, and their
worm dieth not but they are consumed.
167 And the common man and woman is not guiltless before me in these things,
saith the Lord, for in their sloth they have allowed themselves to be
deceived, even in these things and by false religions.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 3:165-167
http://www.culturewars.com/Reviews/DionysosRisingReviews.html
American Record Guide says, "It hits many a nail on the head and names many
a problem that needs a name."
The Religion and Society Report says, "E. Michael Jones posits the highly
provocative thesis that the roots of cultural upheavel that culminated in
the
sixties can be traced back to Richard Wagner's revolt against classical
rational ideals in musical composition coupled with his 'revolutionary'
sexual ethics. The book is gripping in its story line - Nietzsche,
Schonberg,
and Mick Jagger form the rest of Jones's main cast ... Jones puts his
finger on a notion that is at least as old as Plato's Republic. Music, he
contends, acts directly on the soul. Disordered music leads to disordered
lives, which lead to disorder in the state. The idea deserves thoughtful
consideration."
Douglas Wilson of Agenda Magazine says, "E. Michael Jones takes a meat axe
to Wagner's Tristan und Isolde in his provocative Dionysos Rising. Great
book."
Michael Chapman of HLI Reports says, "Well-written and lucid. Catholics
engaged in the Culture of Life will find the book indispensible."
Social Justice Review says, "For a first hand account of how the Western
musical tradition was deconstructed, there is no better place to begin than
with E. Michael Jones' eminently readable book."
Eric J. Scheske of New Covenant says, "Music can help a person develop an
ordered and virtuous soul, or it can tend to disrupt a person's soul. This
fact was extensively illustrated by E. Michael Jones in Dionysos Rising."
JJ Cale:
Guitar man, tell me what your secret am
Tell me please, can you put my mind at ease
When you're standing in the spotlight
With all the girls around
I was wondering how you do it
How you make that sound, guitar man
Tell me what your secret am
Tell me please, can you put my mind at ease
Your fingers move so swiftly
Across those silver strings
It looks so nice and easy
How you make it sing, guitar man
Tell me what your secret am
Tell me please, can you put my mind at ease
Guitar man, in a guitar jam
Playing low, playing slow
Playing loud, working the crowd
Playing high, you seem to fly
Guitar man, tell me what your secret am
http://www.earthsky.org/press/51544/earth-sky-interviews-brian-may-of-queen
About Earth & Sky
Earth & Sky is a clear voice for science on radio and internet. The Earth &
Sky radio series creates 8 million impressions for science daily around the
world. Headquartered in Austin, Texas, the Earth & Sky science radio show
and website are a joint project of EarthSky Communications, Inc. and Earth &
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The Earth & Sky promise
"We take seriously our responsibility for bringing the ideas, strategies,
and research results of scientists to people around the world, with the goal
of illuminating pathways to a hopeful and sustainable future."
JJ Cale:
Things that you trust
Could crumble into dust
No one can really say it ain't so.
When you go over a mountain
When you're looking down the road
When you think you're going backwards
It's all in vain, it seems insane
When you ask, nobody knows
When all our days are gone
You can catch us with a song
Something that seemed almost right
We've known love and joy
Eternity's been our toy
Something to play with in the night
http://www.earthsky.org/article/brian-may-interview/
From astronomer to rock star, and back again
Rock star Brian May of the legendary band Queen draws inspiration from the
stars and tells the tale of the cosmos.
How did the universe begin? How will it end? And just how did the first
galaxies, stars, and planets evolve to create beings capable of asking these
questions? Brian May, guitarist and founding member of the band Queen, can
tell you. He's spent almost three years writing the book called Bang! - A
Complete History of the Universe, along with astronomers Sir Patrick Moore
and Chris Lintott. May himself was once a Ph.D. student in astronomy at
Imperial College. And he's on a mission to tell the story of the evolution
of the universe that's accessible to anyone, without math or jargon. Brian
May spoke with Earth & Sky's Jorge Salazar about re-igniting his passion for
the stars above.
Salazar: Hi, thanks for coming on Earth & Sky.
May: It's my pleasure to be here. Where are you calling from?
Salazar: Earth & Sky is produced out here in Austin, Texas.
May: Austin, what a fabulous rock and roll town. Austin's great, I love it.
Salazar: Thank you Dr. May.
May: You can call me Brian. It's probably easier.
Salazar: What compelled you to want to write a book about the history of the
universe?
May: Well, there have been a falling off in the number of students who are
entering the sciences in this country. And, I must say, that I was first
inspired by seeing Patrick Moore's program on the T.V., which is called "The
Sky at Night," when I was a kid. And Patrick is the guy who I've
collaborated with on this book. He's the one who persuaded me to make, to
take this step. I've actually known him for quite a while as a friend. And
he said, "Look, Brian, we need to write a book together, and it needs to be
a book to inspire young people. It needs to be understandable, and it needs
to be the complete history of the universe." And I said, "You've got your
title right there, then." "The Complete History of the Universe" is not a
modest aim, but I said that you probably want another hook for it. And a
couple of days later, I just thought that the idea of the word, "Bang!"
Salazar: The book which you've co-authored is titled as "The Complete
History of the Universe." In talking with astronomers, some have conveyed
that such a book would be missing quite a few pages. What were some
challenges that you encountered?
May: That's a big question. Actually, there's a lot of challenges. Part of
it is because you're trying to pin the tail on a moving donkey, because
things are changing daily. And certainly, this week, there have been some
findings which seriously challenge the ideas of red shift and the whole Big
Bang fabric, if you like. So that was one difficulty, to find a consensus
that we could write about. The other difficulty is that some of the concepts
are quite difficult, or at least they're unusual. They're not things which
you encounter every day. So trying to explain something like inflation, or
anything which relates to relativity, takes a little bit of care.
I actually think that some of these concepts are not as hard as people
think. It's just that they're unfamiliar. So the big challenge was to keep
writing in English, and not in mathematics, not in the jargon that
scientists pass between each other. We wanted to make this truly
understandable to anyone who had an interest in the subject.
Salazar: What inspired you to become an astronomer?
May: A major part of it was Patrick Moore's program. It's really an English
phenomenon, of course, but Patrick's program, "The Sky at Night," is the
longest running program in the world, presented by one person. He's been
there 50 years, bringing science to the masses, and he's done a wonderful
job, really. He inspired not only amateurs, I mean I regard myself as an
amateur although I'm returning to the fold, doing my Ph.D., but all of the
professional astronomers, if you talk to them in England, they're all
inspired by Patrick. He instilled that feeling of awe and mystery about the
universe, which sucked us all in for the rest of our lives.
Salazar: As you look out at the stars at night, what do you feel?
May: I find it a great help, spiritually, something which grounds you, and
in times of difficulty, can give you hope, in my worst times. I've had some
wonderful times in my life. But I've also had some quite severe depression.
And in those times, I would go out and look at the sky and see perhaps
Orion, in the sky, looking very strong and brave, and always the same.
Always a friend that I could come back to. I remember looking up and
thinking, and getting a feeling of bravery from the stars, a feeling that
there was something that was eternal. And that I would get through, and I
would find a better place.
And I've always been someone who would go up and look. It's not necessarily
very common among astronomers. If you go to an observatory, I recently
visited La Palma, in the Canary Islands, where they were building the GTC,
which will be the biggest telescope in the world, the biggest optical
telescope in the world when it opens next year. And there are a number of
telescopes there, clustered around this beautiful, beautiful island, at the
top of the clouds. And I said, "is there anyone looking through these
telescopes at the moment?" And the guy who was showing me around said, "No,
no, no. Nobody looks through telescopes. No. There's a few cameras on the
end of them. There's spectroscopes. But nobody's looking through." The eye
isn't a very good means of looking into the universe. And that is a point.
The eye can't integrate. So all of these wonderful pictures that you see of
nebulae and galaxies cannot be seen with the naked eye. They have to be
photographed in some way.
But me, I still love to just go out and look up at the sky and feel that
sense of awe, feel my place in the universe.
Salazar: How does what you've learned as an astronomer permeate your
day-to-day living?
May: Interesting question. I do feel it gives me a balance. I'm very much
immersed in music, a lot of the time. I'm also immersed in stereo
photography, and 1850's deguerotypists, and I'm immersed in astronomy. I
just find that my brain needs to be stimulated in these different ways, and
I think that it stops me from getting tired. There's always something new. I
think that each of them exercises a different part of the brain. And it
gives me a sense of perspective. I think that rock stars could be accused of
losing their sense of perspective quite often. And this is something that
definitely keeps me with one foot in a different kind of world, where it's
necessary to be very humble. Because we are very small creatures in this
universe, for sure.
Salazar: What was it like collaborating with the other astronomers, Charles
Lintott and Sir Patrick Moore, in producing Bang!
May: I came to it as someone who had been really out of the mainstream of
astronomy for 30 years, even though I was trained in it to begin with. And
so there were many points during the writing of the book that I thought, "My
God, I'm understanding this for the first time." And that was an essential
part, because an author has this ability to be a bridge. And that's really
how I regarded myself. I thought that If I could bring myself to understand
it, I would then be able to write it in a form which anyone could understand
it. There were lots of concepts like this, in the book.
The concept of the cosmic microwave background, the CMB, it wasn't really
apparent to me what it was. I had been talking about it, I had been aware of
it. But I hadn't really figured out how it could be an echo of the original
moments of the Big Bang. So once they had explained it to me properly, I
felt able to communicate that. I think it comes alive in the book. I think
it's fairly clear what that is.
Having said that, there are people who interpret it differently. And we've
been very much aware of this, in writing the book. We've actually said in
the book, this book will have to be rewritten in a few years time, because
things are changing so fast. And many of the beliefs that are embodied in
this book will definitely have changed. There are people who do not think
that the CMB is the echo of the Big Bang. So we shall see.
Astronomy is changing faster than its ever done. I'm finding it very
interesting. In this period of post-Big-Bang book, I'm finding myself drawn
toward the alternative ideas. I've been reading a lot of Burbidge and Hoyle
recently, and it's very interesting to see a different point of view. You
have to be at rather a high level to be able to form an opinion, though.
Otherwise, you're really at the mercy of whatever everyone else thinks.
Astronomy is a vast subject with lots of strange corners, so it's almost
impossible to understand it all.
Salazar: You're referring to an alternative view that holds that the
universe didn't start with a bang, but instead has always existed?
May: That's right, the steady-state theory, which still has adherence, and
to be truthful, there are plenty of holes being shot in the Big Bang theory
at this very moment. We shall see if it survives.
Salazar: How would you describe a universe that seems infinite, but actually
has limits? What's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it, so to
speak?
May: I think most astronomers would tell you that the universe is not
infinite, that it's very, very big, and it's impossible to see it all. But
it's actually finite, but without boundaries. That's the most popular view
at the moment. That's a little hard to explain. We have a neat little
analogy in the book, which is an ant crawling on the surface of a football,
I don't know if you've come across this. It's a fairly crude analogy, but it
gives you some idea. This ant, assuming it can't jump off, it'll crawl over
the surface of the football as long as it likes, and it will never come to a
boundary. But the surface that it's crawling on is nevertheless finite. And
that's kind of the view, translated into three dimensions of space, and one
of time. That's more or less the view that most cosmologists have of the
universe at the moment.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.181:
A key: Every principle proceeding from God is eternal and any principle
which is not eternal is of the devil. The sun has no beginning or end; the
rays which proceed from himself have no bounds, consequently are eternal.
Salazar: Thanks for sharing your thoughts today. Is there anything else
you'd like tell the listeners and readers of Earth & Sky today?
May: We'd like you to visit our website, which is banguniverse.com, which we
hope will become an interactive, thriving community of people who are
interested in astronomy. We've already started to answer some questions
which have been sent in from people who have read the book, and it will be a
general little forum and a place to have fun with astronomy, we hope. We're
going to do some merchandise too. We really think that astronomy ought to be
fun, and not regarded as this sort of unreachable thing that people
sometimes view it as. So we'll be doing mugs and t-shirts, which I love. I
love the toys, and that's pretty much the way we've been in Queen throughout
the years.
Salazar: Thanks again.
May: Thank you. All the very best. Bye.
20 For this is denial of the Holy Ghost, yea, even thy sciences are
organized according to this blasphemy, and are based upon the lie that all
things which are eternal are denied by them, that there is no absolute
truth.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 159:20
3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be
wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful
the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even
down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in
your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would
ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not
true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having
faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of
the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is
good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
7 And ye may know that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I
would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power,
according to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow,
and forever.
(Book of Mormon | Moroni 10:3 - 7)
James Clerk Maxwell:
The special educational value of this combined study of music and acoustics
is that more than almost any other study it involves a continual appeal to
what we must observe for ourselves.
The facts are things which must be felt; they cannot be learned from any
description of them.
All this has been said more than 200 years ago by one of our own
prophets, William Harvey of Gonville and Caius College:-"For whosoever they
be that read authors, and do not, by the aid of their own senses, abstract
true representations of the things themselves (comprehended in the author's
expressions) they do not represent true ideas, but deceitful idols and
phantasmas; by which means they frame to themselves certaine shadows and
chimaeras, and all their theory and contemplation (which they call science)
represents nothing but waking men's dreams and sick men's phrensies."
....
The dynamics of other varieties of space than our own requires very brief
notice indeed.
-Yours truly,
J. CLERK MAXWELL.
....
In my dream methought I strayed
Where a learned-looking maid
Stores of flimsy goods displayed,
Articles not worth wearing.
"These," she said, with solemn air,
"Are the robes that sages wear,
Warranted, when kept with care,
Never to need repairing."
Then unnumbered witlings, caught
By her wiles, the trappings bought,
And by labour, not by thought,
Honour and fame were earning.
While the men of wiser mind
Passed for blind among the blind;
Pedants left them far behind
In the career of learning.
"Those that fix their eager eyes
Ever on the nearest prize
Well may venture to despise
Loftier aspirations.
Pedantry is in demand!
Buy it up at second-hand,
Seek no more to understand
Profitless speculations."
Thus the gaudy gowns were sold,
Cast off sloughs of pedants old;
Proudly marched the students bold
Through the domain of error, [625]
Till their trappings, false though fair,
Mouldered off and left them bare,
Clustering close in blank despair,
Nakedness, cold, and terror.
Then, I said, "These haughty Schools
Boast that by their formal rules
They produce more learned fools
Than could be well expected.
Learned fools they are indeed,
Learned in the books they read;
Fools whene'er they come to need
Wisdom, too long neglected.
"Oh! that men indeed were wiser
And would raise their purblind eyes
To the opening mysteries
Scattered around them ever.
Truth should spring from sterile ground,
Beauty beam from all around,
Right should then at last be found
Joining what none may sever."
~~*The Life of James Clerk Maxwell* (1882), pgs. 178,193,316
One prophecy of the Book of Mormon plates:
11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down
from heaven.
(Old Testament | Psalms 85:11)
17 Even so, pray unto me and I will give unto you a witness of these things
by the power of my spirit, For it is that they pray unto themselves and
worship their flesh as them before the flood, are they exalted in the
imagination of their hearts against me, the Lord their God.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 27:17
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Source: DAILY MIRROR 16 May 02
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"*****! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: O Lucky Man! |
15 Aug 2007 09:36:12 AM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:12:58 -0700, Jong Kim wrote:
THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST<SMACK>
Bad troll!
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
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| User: "Jong Kim" |
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| Title: Re: O Lucky Man! |
16 Aug 2007 12:45:49 AM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Jong Kim wrote:
[snip crap]
THE REVELATIONS OF JESUS CHRIST
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Hindus have 30 crores of gods - 300 million deities.
Nobody gives ***** one about your halfling ***** god-on-a-stick.
The Lord rebuke thee.
29 For where is the disputer that there is a God in that day which shall
burn, even as an oven, saith the Lord?
30 Now of these things, ye must judge.
31 For it is that by what judgment, saith the Lord, that a man judgeth, that
he shall also be judged, and it shall be unto every man, even according to
his work.
Revelations of Jesus Christ 8:29-31
2000+ years after "I'll be right back," don't you come to certain
conclusions? Of course you don't.
3 ... there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own
lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell
asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the
creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the
heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in
store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of
ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with
the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but
that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which
the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt
with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be
burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of
persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the
heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with
fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new
earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(New Testament | 2 Peter 3:3 - 13)
A Prayer of Moses the man of God.
1 LORD, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the
earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God.
3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past,
and [as] a watch in the night.
5 Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are [as] a sleep: in the
morning [they are] like grass [which] groweth up.
6 In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut
down, and withereth.
7 For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
8 Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret [sins] in the light
of thy countenance.
9 For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a
tale [that is told].
10 The days of our years [are] threescore years and ten; and if by reason of
strength [they be] fourscore years, yet [is] their strength labour and
sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, [so is]
thy wrath.
12 So teach [us] to number our days, that we may apply [our] hearts unto
wisdom.
13 Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all
our days.
15 Make us glad according to the days [wherein] thou hast afflicted us,
[and] the years [wherein] we have seen evil.
16 Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.
17 And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the
work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.
(Old Testament | Psalm 90)
6 Behold, [it is] written before me: I will not keep silence, but will
recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the
LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon
the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
8 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and [one]
saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing [is] in it: so will I do for my
servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor
of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall
dwell there.
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for
the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
11 ¶ But ye [are] they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering
unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to
the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye
did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose [that] wherein I
delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye
shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty:
behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for
sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 65:6 - 14)
You are an idiot.
Our tea is adulterated, our ginger and pepper, and almost everything that we
have to purchase is treated in the same manner, and I think we may safely
conclude that this is an adulterous generation, and by their evil practices
they are bringing upon themselves swift destruction. They have commenced
the work of their own extermination, and who can help it? No one, except
the Almighty.
~~Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, Pg.372, Heber C. Kimball, February 9, 1862
You should cut off a finger joint each morning to show your
sincerity. Uncle Al suggests starting at the knuckle. Test of faith.
LUCIFER: Now is the great day of my power. I reign from the rivers to the
ends of the earth. There is none who dares to molest, or make me afraid.
PROTESTANT MINISTER: Shall we ever have any apostles or prophets?
LUCIFER: No. However, there may be some who will profess revelation or
apostleship. If so, just test them by asking that they perform a great
miracle, such as cutting off an arm or some other member of the body, and
restoring it, so that the people may know that they have come with power.
....
(... The three Apostles boldly approach Lucifer.)
PETER: I am Peter.
JAMES: I am James.
JOHN: I am John.
LUCIFER: Yes, I thought I knew you. (He turns to his Preacher.) Do you know
who these men are? They claim to be apostles. Try them!
(The Preacher approaches Peter.)
PROTESTANT MINISTER: Do you profess to be an Apostle of the Lord Jesus
Christ?
PETER: We do.
PROTESTANT MINISTER: This man told me that we should never have any
revelation or apostles, but if any should come professing to be apostles, I
was to ask them to cut off an arm or some other member of the body and then
restore it, so that the people might know that they came with power.
PETER: We do not satisfy men's curiosity in that manner. It is a wicked and
an adulterous generation that seeks for a sign. Do you know who that man is?
He is Satan!
PROTESTANT MINISTER: What? The Devil?
PETER: That is one of his names.
PROTESTANT MINISTER: He is quite a different person from what he told me the
devil is. He said the devil has claws like a bear's on his hands, horns on
his head, and a cloven foot, and that when he speaks he has the roar of a
lion!
PETER: He has said this to deceive you, and I would advise you to get out of
his employ.
PROTESTANT MINISTER: Your advice is good; but, if I leave his employ, what
will become of me?
PETER: We will preach the Gospel unto you, with the rest of Adam's
posterity.
PROTESTANT MINISTER: That is good. (He turns to Lucifer.) I would like to
have a settlement. I want you to pay me for preaching.
LUCIFER: I am ready to keep my word and fulfill my part of the agreement. I
promised to pay you if you would convert these people, and they have nearly
converted you! You can get out of my kingdom, I want no such men in it! (As
the preacher turns sadly and leaves, Lucifer approaches Peter.) Now, what
are
you going to do?
PETER: We will dismiss you without further argument.
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Uncle Al
8 My name is Jehovah, and I know the end from the beginning; ...
(Book of Abraham 2:8)
--
Jong Kim, Apostle of the One Mighty and Strong, who is
Art Bulla, Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ
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| User: "Robert Weldon" |
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| Title: Re: O Lucky Man! |
16 Aug 2007 01:04:36 PM |
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"Jong Kim" <rhl71@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:13c7p0gf149dt9c@corp.supernews.com...
Uncle Al wrote:
Jong Kim wrote:
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Jong Kim, nutbar follower of
Art Bulla, an even bigger nutbar
There I fixed it for you. No need to thank me.
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