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Religions > Atheism |
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"Muxton" |
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15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 AM |
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Observation |
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Jake
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 04:12:49 PM |
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"Muxton" <nobody@this.address> wrote in message
news:4hqgu05bfs3qadhseemed9ebalokmuaugq@4ax.com...
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Jake
Thank you for your critical and insightful posting! You want to talk about
the same things I want to talk about but I mostly gave up.
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| User: "Claytibardfarst" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 06:49:39 AM |
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"Muxton" <nobody@this.address> wrote in message
news:4hqgu05bfs3qadhseemed9ebalokmuaugq@4ax.com...
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
Sit back and pay attention....you'll get it soon. Just think of Kane in
"Kung Fu"...he never wanted to fight, but someone always went out of their
way to attack him...and we all know what happened then!!!
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 02:57:37 AM |
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Muxton wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
Welcome aboard the good ship Wonder Luck.
There is a reason for the name. I'll explain in a bit.
However....
Uh oh, here it comes.
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
Ahhh, no. But it is a forum where we unfortunately have our fair share
of frothing, fanatical, rabid, ignorant, fundies, that are trying to
gang save us.
i.e. a bashing ground.
You post that like it's a bad thing.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
Yup, you got it.
So why discuss it at all?
Because it keeps getting thrown into our faces, day in and day out.
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
Because that is the one that is puked up more times then not, by the
believers. But we have had it out with rabid Jews, Hindus, Muslims, and
a few fringe groups. Just not nearly as often as the xtians.
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Not to them it ain't. To them, we are sheep, in need of a shepherd.
And they are more then happy, to try and convince us, that they have
found the right one.
And we call them on it.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
It is.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Jake
No, I'd say that pretty well sums it up.
Just good luck getting our resident bible thumpers to accept that notion.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "jwk" |
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16 Jan 2005 12:19:27 AM |
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Muxton wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
If you have something else to discuss please bring it up. If it is
worth responding to someone will.
jwk
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| User: "bob young" |
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15 Jan 2005 06:09:08 AM |
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Muxton wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
You are missing the point that religions can sometime support aggression
and in any case they are false beliefs, so if you care for your
contemporaries you will challenge such beliefs.
Jake
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| User: "Muxton" |
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15 Jan 2005 11:25:06 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Jake
Some good replies, thanks!
I like a bit of xtian baiting, so I think I'lll hang around.
I used to work for a company that is owned and totally run by a xtian
zealot who evangelised at every available opportunity. That really
pissed me off.
Jake
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 11:21:27 PM |
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Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Jake
Some good replies, thanks!
I like a bit of xtian baiting, so I think I'lll hang around.
I used to work for a company that is owned and totally run by a xtian
zealot who evangelised at every available opportunity. That really
pissed me off.
Jake
I would give anything to be in a situation like that again. I wouldn't
leave empty handed this time.
Jack
The 2002 Olympics dragged Utahns kicking and screaming into the 20th
century.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 11:25:37 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Jake
Look at some of the threads here and you might get some
understanding. For example there is an interestig thread
about what the wisest thing ever said was. We are discussing
the exploration of Titan, the meaning and interpretation of
the word belief, the failings of the US President, helping
several people such as yourself who are struggling to
shake of religion and lingering belief. Difficult when it has
been drummed into your head from birth. Many other things
unrelated to Christianity are being discussed. Recently we
discussed the origins of winter festivals (that were stolen by
Christianity) and morals which the religious claim as their own.
They make the ludicrous claim that without religion you cannot be
moral.
Of course we discuss religion and Christianity. The latter
religion is so ludicrous that we find it hard to understand why
anybody with a modicum of intelligence would buy into
uness, of course, they were brainwashed from birth. I
must admit irrational belief in gods does fascinate us.
Of course our discussion are often disrupted by Christians
attacking us. The amount of spite and hate that they
project towards us is frankly quite shocking which makes
us wonder whether a belief that engenders such hatred belongs
in decent society. Their lies and twisting simply cannot
be allowed to go unanswered.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Muxton" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 11:30:32 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:25:37 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
, helping
several people such as yourself who are struggling to
shake of religion and lingering belief. Difficult when it has
been drummed into your head from birth.
I wasn't christened, so I guess that means I was born into an atheist
family, luckily for me.
Jake
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 05:03:24 PM |
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"Muxton" <nobody@this.address> wrote in message
news:4kvhu01871mqf0p2lut2m2gau05urs00a5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:25:37 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
, helping
several people such as yourself who are struggling to
shake of religion and lingering belief. Difficult when it has
been drummed into your head from birth.
I wasn't christened, so I guess that means I was born into an atheist
family, luckily for me.
I was adopted by an atheist family, but they did have me christened just in
case the adoption agency checked prior to my adoption being finalized. My
bmom had specified that she wanted me raised protestant. Oh well ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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15 Jan 2005 10:48:36 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34t0mqF4fba4sU1@individual.net:
"Muxton" <nobody@this.address> wrote in message
news:4kvhu01871mqf0p2lut2m2gau05urs00a5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:25:37 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
, helping
several people such as yourself who are struggling to
shake of religion and lingering belief. Difficult when it has
been drummed into your head from birth.
I wasn't christened, so I guess that means I was born into an atheist
family, luckily for me.
I was adopted by an atheist family, but they did have me christened
just in case the adoption agency checked prior to my adoption being
finalized. My bmom had specified that she wanted me raised
protestant. Oh well ;)
You're a great protestant. Marting Luther only protested against the
Catholics. You protest all religion.
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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16 Jan 2005 02:19:32 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95DF96B0F205F255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34t0mqF4fba4sU1@individual.net:
"Muxton" <nobody@this.address> wrote in message
news:4kvhu01871mqf0p2lut2m2gau05urs00a5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:25:37 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
, helping
several people such as yourself who are struggling to
shake of religion and lingering belief. Difficult when it has
been drummed into your head from birth.
I wasn't christened, so I guess that means I was born into an atheist
family, luckily for me.
I was adopted by an atheist family, but they did have me christened
just in case the adoption agency checked prior to my adoption being
finalized. My bmom had specified that she wanted me raised
protestant. Oh well ;)
You're a great protestant. Marting Luther only protested against the
Catholics. You protest all religion.
Well, "protest" is probably a bit strong, but thanaks! :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Jan 2005 11:57:28 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:19:32 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95DF96B0F205F255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34t0mqF4fba4sU1@individual.net:
"Muxton" <nobody@this.address> wrote in message
news:4kvhu01871mqf0p2lut2m2gau05urs00a5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:25:37 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
, helping
several people such as yourself who are struggling to
shake of religion and lingering belief. Difficult when it has
been drummed into your head from birth.
I wasn't christened, so I guess that means I was born into an atheist
family, luckily for me.
I was adopted by an atheist family, but they did have me christened
just in case the adoption agency checked prior to my adoption being
finalized. My bmom had specified that she wanted me raised
protestant. Oh well ;)
You're a great protestant. Marting Luther only protested against the
Catholics. You protest all religion.
Well, "protest" is probably a bit strong, but thanaks! :)
Cannae bei bothered wit' duh pewtrid bollocks is protest.....
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "nJb" |
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15 Jan 2005 11:23:33 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Muxton" <nobody@this.address> wrote in message
news:4kvhu01871mqf0p2lut2m2gau05urs00a5@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:25:37 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
, helping
several people such as yourself who are struggling to
shake of religion and lingering belief. Difficult when it has
been drummed into your head from birth.
I wasn't christened, so I guess that means I was born into an atheist
family, luckily for me.
I was adopted by an atheist family, but they did have me christened just in
case the adoption agency checked prior to my adoption being finalized. My
bmom had specified that she wanted me raised protestant. Oh well ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
I was christened also. I haven't noticed any long term effects.
Jack
--
Jack
"The story of what we've done in the postwar
period is remarkable...
It is a better and more important story than
losing a couple of soldiers every day."
Republican U.S. Rep. George Nethercutt, Oct 13, 2003
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15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
atheist@home#1554
Jake
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| User: "Muxton" |
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15 Jan 2005 01:16:31 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
TIA
atheist@home#1554
Jake
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| User: "Jez" |
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15 Jan 2005 01:26:18 AM |
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Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Muxton" |
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15 Jan 2005 01:57:23 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:26:18 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
You are v. perceptive - I'm not wearing socks!
That's gotta be good for starters...
Jake
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| User: "Sam" |
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15 Jan 2005 02:30:54 AM |
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Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:26:18 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
You are v. perceptive - I'm not wearing socks!
That's gotta be good for starters...
Jake
jesus took your socks
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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15 Jan 2005 03:32:02 AM |
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Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in
news:yf%Fd.10626$wZ2.9652@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:26:18 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought
it may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God
or of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
You are v. perceptive - I'm not wearing socks!
That's gotta be good for starters...
Jake
jesus took your socks
He'll get your boxers too, if you don't keep an eye on Him!
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Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 05:00:37 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:Xns95DEC6BD8772B255229@130.133.1.4...
Sam <srcarruth@yahoo.NO.SPAM.com> wrote in
news:yf%Fd.10626$wZ2.9652@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:26:18 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought
it may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God
or of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
You are v. perceptive - I'm not wearing socks!
That's gotta be good for starters...
Jake
jesus took your socks
He'll get your boxers too, if you don't keep an eye on Him!
Jesus is an underpants gnome?!? I KNEW it! ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 05:32:02 AM |
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On 14 Jan 2005, Enkidu dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
You are v. perceptive - I'm not wearing socks!
That's gotta be good for starters...
Jake
jesus took your socks
He'll get your boxers too, if you don't keep an eye on Him!
Does that apply to whitey tighties? I'd better remove them. Ahhh, much
better. Oh, Jeeeeesus!
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you
wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
19 Jan 2005 11:33:11 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:32:02 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005, Enkidu dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
You are v. perceptive - I'm not wearing socks!
That's gotta be good for starters...
Jake
jesus took your socks
He'll get your boxers too, if you don't keep an eye on Him!
Does that apply to whitey tighties? I'd better remove them. Ahhh, much
better. Oh, Jeeeeesus!
That was the 'Second Cumming(tm).'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
16 Jan 2005 12:20:40 AM |
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Sam wrote:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:26:18 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
Muxton wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and
thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of
God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from
an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am
I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Socks ?
You are v. perceptive - I'm not wearing socks!
That's gotta be good for starters...
Jake
jesus took your socks
Jesus raptures Christians, the IPU* raptures socks.
*BHHH
jwk
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
16 Jan 2005 10:46:31 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:16:31 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
Given the type and degree of brainwashing I don't think it's always as
easy as simply making a choice to believe or disbelieve.
I also think that sometimes religious conversion can be a strangely
rational response to overwhelming circumstances for some people.
I also think it's possible that a baby's first awareness of it's
mother may be something akin to a recognition of something like god
without the title.
An imprinting of sorts.
Religion may be hardwired in human beings which may contribute to the
difficulty many have in giving it up despite the amount of evidence
that it isn't "real."
atheist@home#1554
TIA
atheist@home#1554
Jake
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 10:58:47 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:16:31 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:05:54 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes.
Could you enlighten me as to what, precisely, that I am missing?
To reflect the question. You tell us you do not believe in the
existence of gods and that is it as far as you are concerned, end
of story. So, if you think there is nothing to discuss, why did you
choose to subscribe to discuss it?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 02:47:05 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:09:55 +0000, Muxton <nobody@this.address>
wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
LOL, you are here to discuss it, are you not? Try asking yourself.
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
Mostly because that's the most popular religion among those who come
around and act stupid.
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
Other than the usual debate on the proper definition of the word,
there are a few aspects of atheism to debate.
Having said that, I do find religion quite fascinating... from an
atheistic point of view.
Well, I'm curious as to why people believe in gods, so here is
probably a good place to explore that.
That said, why would Christianity be verboten as a subject, it being
the most familiar religion to most of us?
You either believe or you don't. It's as simple as that. Or am I
missing something...?
Yes, curiosity, which you admitted you have yourself.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Observation |
15 Jan 2005 03:26:13 AM |
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TV's Muxton wrote:
Just subscribed to this NG, as I'm a comitted atheist and thought it
may be interesting.
However....
It seems to me to be a forum for the non-Christians to try and
convince the (unconvinceable) Christians that Christianity isn't
relevant these days.
Actually the xians come here trying to convert us. Once they throw the
first punch, it's on, buddy.
i.e. a bashing ground.
Hang on a minute...
I thought Atheism meant the non-belief of the existence of an
omnipotent God and all gods.
So why discuss it at all?
We discuss all sorts of things here. Since most of us are high on the
intelligence scale, we have a lot of similar interests (science, etc.)
And why the extreme focus on Christianity?
1. Much of the English-speaking world is predominately xian, so it's natural
the religion that is the biggest threat to us is the one that gets discussed
the most.
2. The xians come here and bring it on themselves, so we retaliate.
In fact, why even debate atheism? It's the utter disbelief of God or
of gods. There is no debate.
That isn't the point of this NG.
And atheism is not the "utter disbelief of god or gods" but simply the lack
of belief in gods.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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