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"Richo" |
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19 Feb 2006 11:58:50 PM |
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Of sheep and goats |
I meant to post something on this ages ago ...
The new scientist magazine had a special series of srticles on the
"science of belief" - well worth reading. One article in particular was
about sheep vs goats and why faithful sheepism shows no sign of
disapearing as a human behaviour - no matter how much it annoys us
skeptical goats.
Sheep tend to see meaning and patterns where there is none - but they
are also primed to spot actual patterns a little quicker than goats.
(28 Jan 2006 edition.)
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Psychologists have traditionally viewed this quality as a shortcoming
on the part of sheep. But Peter Brugger, a neuroscientist at the
University Hospital Zurich in Switzerland, does not think it is a
black-and-white issue. He explains that people commit what
statisticians call a type 1 error when they perceive a pattern where
none exists - when they are overly gullible, in other words. A type 2
error is when they fail to recognise a pattern that does exist - when
they are too sceptical. Brugger points out that pattern recognition is
an important aspect of human cognition, allowing us to recognise
familiar faces or camouflaged predators. "From an evolutionary
perspective, the price for protection against type 2 errors is a
susceptibility to type 1 errors," Brugger says. He theorises that it
may be safest to err on the side of gullibility. "If you miss the tiger
hidden in the grass, then you are dead. If you always see tigers, you
are always running away but you're not dead."
What determines our tendency to spot patterns and form associations? It
turns out that a key factor is the relative dominance of the right and
left hemispheres of the brain. There has been much dubious pop
psychology written about the differences between "right-brain people"
and "left-brain people". But most neuroscientists would accept that the
left side of the brain is primarily responsible for language and
logical analysis, while the right side is more involved in creativity
and what might be called lateral thinking - making connections between
disparate concepts.
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Very good article.
So as with just about everything in this world being a little bit
gullible or a little bit skeptical can be benificial - while too much
of either can be a bad thing.
Mark.
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Of sheep and goats |
20 Feb 2006 03:27:26 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:58:50 -0600, Richo wrote
(in article <1140415130.643304.141050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
snip
He theorises that it may be safest to err on the side of gullibility. "If you
miss the tiger hidden in the grass, then you are dead. If you always see
tigers, you are always running away but you're not dead."
snip
You might not get eaten by the tigers, but when running away from the
(non-existent) tigers you might fell into a tiger-trap, those spikes at the
bottom can really ruin your day.
Or just as bad, not notice that rampaging elephant until it steps on you.
There are several ways to view the above.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things, but I've never heard myself
think." - Duke32
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Of sheep and goats |
20 Feb 2006 05:30:20 PM |
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Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:58:50 -0600, Richo wrote
(in article <1140415130.643304.141050@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
snip
He theorises that it may be safest to err on the side of gullibility. "If you
miss the tiger hidden in the grass, then you are dead. If you always see
tigers, you are always running away but you're not dead."
snip
You might not get eaten by the tigers, but when running away from the
(non-existent) tigers you might fell into a tiger-trap, those spikes at the
bottom can really ruin your day.
Oh yes there are real dangers in seeing things that are not there!
The interesting thing for me was learning that there are also
*positives* I had not thought about.
When you think about it, from an evolutionary point of view, if seeing
things that are not there were entirely negative the trait would be
heavily selected against and be much rarer than it is.
There have to be reasons why gulibility is selected *for* and the
article gives some that I had never thought of.
For example:
They did experiments were people watched a screen of random noise where
an image was briefly flashed and people reported when they saw
something - sheep could see the image before the goats could!
Its like their brains are always on the verge of seeing something - and
so are "primed" to catch something.
The Skeptic and the gullible have brains that are wired differently.
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "M Dunne" |
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| Title: Re: Of sheep and goats |
20 Feb 2006 05:55:42 PM |
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Can someone more patient than I am please explain to these joyful idiots
that *none of this* has *anything* to do with religious belief? The
'religious believers' we see all around us are NOT 'seeing patterns where
none exist'. They're not 'seeing patterns' AT ALL. They aren't pre-emptively
seeing imaginary 'tigers in the grass'. They aren't seeing ANYTHING,
ANYWHERE. They have NOTHING TO REPORT. They've just had their heads filled
with ridiculous counter-factual crap at a sufficiently early age that they
*can't question it* in later life. Different topic entirely.
M.D.
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Of sheep and goats |
20 Feb 2006 11:50:56 PM |
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M Dunne wrote:
Can someone more patient than I am please explain to these joyful idiots
that *none of this* has *anything* to do with religious belief? The
'religious believers' we see all around us are NOT 'seeing patterns where
none exist'. They're not 'seeing patterns' AT ALL. They aren't pre-emptively
seeing imaginary 'tigers in the grass'. They aren't seeing ANYTHING,
ANYWHERE. They have NOTHING TO REPORT. They've just had their heads filled
with ridiculous counter-factual crap at a sufficiently early age that they
*can't question it* in later life. Different topic entirely.
M.D.
<Yoda voice>
mmm So certain of things you are!
Mark.
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| User: "Accidental" |
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| Title: Re: Of sheep and goats |
20 Feb 2006 01:21:03 AM |
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Richo wrote:
I meant to post something on this ages ago ...
The new scientist magazine had a special series of srticles on the
"science of belief" - well worth reading. One article in particular was
about sheep vs goats and why faithful sheepism shows no sign of
disapearing as a human behaviour - no matter how much it annoys us
skeptical goats.
Sheep tend to see meaning and patterns where there is none - but they
are also primed to spot actual patterns a little quicker than goats.
(28 Jan 2006 edition.)
<quote>
Psychologists have traditionally viewed this quality as a shortcoming
on the part of sheep. But Peter Brugger, a neuroscientist at the
University Hospital Zurich in Switzerland, does not think it is a
black-and-white issue. He explains that people commit what
statisticians call a type 1 error when they perceive a pattern where
none exists - when they are overly gullible, in other words. A type 2
error is when they fail to recognise a pattern that does exist - when
they are too sceptical. Brugger points out that pattern recognition is
an important aspect of human cognition, allowing us to recognise
familiar faces or camouflaged predators. "From an evolutionary
perspective, the price for protection against type 2 errors is a
susceptibility to type 1 errors," Brugger says. He theorises that it
may be safest to err on the side of gullibility. "If you miss the tiger
hidden in the grass, then you are dead. If you always see tigers, you
are always running away but you're not dead."
What determines our tendency to spot patterns and form associations? It
turns out that a key factor is the relative dominance of the right and
left hemispheres of the brain. There has been much dubious pop
psychology written about the differences between "right-brain people"
and "left-brain people". But most neuroscientists would accept that the
left side of the brain is primarily responsible for language and
logical analysis, while the right side is more involved in creativity
and what might be called lateral thinking - making connections between
disparate concepts.
<unquote>
Very good article.
So as with just about everything in this world being a little bit
gullible or a little bit skeptical can be benificial - while too much
of either can be a bad thing.
Mark.
Sheep go to Heaven... Goats go to Hell! Cake!
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