Religions > Atheism > Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada
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Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and Canada is
often described as one of the world's longest and most peaceful, and
visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much like home--with
just enough quaint differences to make a visit interesting. All that
is about to change, and some Americans are about ready to dig a moral
moat along the border. Our basically peaceful northern neighbor has
experienced a huge personality change, and not for the better. Liberal
Canada is turning itself into radical Sweden. The Canadian House of
Commons defeated a motion defining marriage "as the union of one man
and one woman to the exclusion of all others." The margin of victory
was small, but the bill failed just the same, and the media quickly
claimed the vote as an endorsement of homosexual marriage. [see The
Washington Post] A provincial appeals court in Ontario legalized gay
marriage this past summer, ruling that denying homosexual couples the
right to marry violated "the dignity of same-sex relationships."
Hundreds of homosexual couples quickly took advantage of the ruling,
and Prime Minister Jean Chretien chose not to appeal the court's
ruling. The bill proposed by the Canadian Alliance party was the only
hope of reversing the decision and prohibiting gay marriage. The
bill's demise means that homosexual marriage will almost surely be
legalized throughout the nation. Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte,
Archbishop of Montreal, condemned Parliament's action: "If marriage
simply become a union of two persons who love each other, must we then
permit marriage between a brother and a sister? Between a father and
his daughter? Between a mother and her son?" Conservative Protestants
also sounded the alarm. The Evangelical Fellowship of Canada released
a statement expressing disappointment in the vote and promising a
vigorous debate on the issue in coming months. It may be too late.
Janey Epp Buckingham, the group's director of law and public policy
claimed that "millions of Canadians oppose the redefinition of
marriage, and president Bruce Clemenger asserted that the marriage
issue is really not about rights at all, but about legal definition
and public policy. "If marriage is reduced to merely a contract
between two people, its distinctiveness will be lost and it will be
hard for the government to refuse including other types of
relationships." Tuesday's action in Parliament was bad enough, but the
very next day the House of Commons moved to include homosexuals under
hate crime provisions. Bill C-250 was sponsored by homosexual MP Svend
Robinson, who told the media that his bill would "recognize that just
as we say it's wrong to promote hatred or violence directed against
racial or religious or ethnic minorities, so too, should we say it's
just as wrong to promote that hatred or violence directed at gay or
lesbian people." [see Toronto Globe and Mail] Others see the bill
very differently--as an attempt to silence Christians by criminalizing
anyone who quotes the Bible's passages against homosexuality. Brian
Rushfeldt of the Canada Family Action Coalition explains that
Canadians opposed to homosexual marriage "are already being accused of
'hate' speech by homosexual activists.... When C-250 is passed into
law later this fall, the activists will begin to insist on prosecution
to silence their critics with criminal sanctions." The bill now moves
to the Senate and must eventually receive royal assent to become law.
Both sides now expect the bill to become law by the end of the year.
Celebrating his legislative victory, MP Robinson declared, "I feel
proud to be a Canadian." He has every reason to cheer, for the gay and
lesbian agenda took unprecedented strides forward in the past week. He
appears to be on the winning side. All this may take their American
neighbors by surprise. Many Americans are unaware of the fact that
Canada's public life is radically secular when compared to the United
States. Canada is pioneering a post-Christian culture, with liberal
sexual mores and a hostility to Christian conviction. In 1997, a
Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission board of inquiry fined a
Christian businessman $4,500 for running an advertisement in The Star
Phoenix newspaper that simply listed four biblical passages that
condemn homosexual behavior [Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:26
and 1 Corinthians 6:9]. The ad did not even provide the actual text of
the verses. Two stickmen holding hands were pictured in the
advertisement, with the international negative symbol [a red circle
bisected by a slash] over the figures. The board ruled that the
symbols, when combined with the biblical citations, "would expose or
tend to expose homosexuals to hatred or ridicule." According to this
Canadian agency, the Bible is now hate speech. Canada's Christians
have plenty of reason to worry. Sweden has moved to make all
anti-homosexual speech a criminal offense, including sermons or Bible
readings that condemn homosexual behavior. Pastors can be fined and
cited for unacceptable sermons. Canada's legal system is moving
quickly in the same direction--and with the same arguments. The whole
idea of hate speech has a dubious basis in the law. Hate crime laws
set certain groups apart as deserving of special protections.
Christians do not defend physical violence against anyone--homosexuals
included--and call for the full prosecution of any who would resort to
violence or assault. But to label certain forms of assault hate crimes
assumes that the motivation to harm one person is more criminal than
the motivation to harm another. When hate crimes are extended to
speech, the government sets itself up as a judge of what language or
speech is legal or illegal. The logic of the legislation is clear--no
criticism of homosexuality is allowable, whatever its form or basis.
This would cover not only epithets thrown at homosexuals, but sermons
in Christian pulpits against homosexual bahavior. The move to silence
the pulpit represents the ultimate aim of homosexual activists. In
the end, the biblical condemnation of homosexual behavior is the great
obstacle to the normalization of homosexuality and all other sexual
"lifestyles." So long as a significant portion of the population
claims allegience to the Bible, gay activists face an insurmountable
obstacle to the full acceptance of their sexuality. If the pulpits can
be silenced, and if the Bible can be set aside as a dangerous,
hate-filled text, the path to full acceptance and normalization is
wide open. Preaching and teaching against homosexuality simply cannot
be allowed. Many fear that the Canadian legislation would make
biblical preaching a crime. Americans will watch our northern neighbor
with increasing wariness and concern. Homosexual activists here would
like to see similar legislation passed in the United States. In the
meantime, Canadian Christians had better wake up. The Word of God is
about to be labeled as hate speech--and telling the truth is about to
become a crime.
See also:
http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=9A6F834F-D72C-47A0-BABE-668235B5F49C
and http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34671 As
WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if Robinson's bill becomes law,
the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under the criminal code in
certain instances, as evidenced by the case of a Saskatchewan man
fined by a provincial human-rights tribunal for taking out a newspaper
ad with Scripture references to verses about homosexuality. "I was not
surprised it passed, because we have a morally bankrupt government
which cannot see past its bizarre liberal ideology," Brian Rushfeldt,
executive director of the Canada Family Action Coalition, told
WorldNetDaily.
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| User: "tim gueguen" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
02 Oct 2003 08:42:08 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the bible
condems
homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit in.
There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just change
sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments already
protect
behaviour, namely religious faith. Why should sexual orientation be any
different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should
protect their rights as well?
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a consentual
activity given that one of the parties involved cannot properly give
consent, hence it is illegal in most if not all jurisdictions.
tim gueguen 101867
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 05:06:07 AM |
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"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:Qt4fb.7333$9l5.5199@pd7tw2no...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and
told
this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the bible
condems
homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit in.
There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just
change
sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments already
protect
behaviour, namely religious faith. Why should sexual orientation be
any
different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should
protect their rights as well?
ok.. kids between 14 and 17???
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a consentual
activity given that one of the parties involved cannot properly give
consent, hence it is illegal in most if not all jurisdictions.
tim gueguen 101867
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| User: "Steven" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 12:52:35 AM |
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Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a consentual
activity given that one of the parties involved cannot properly give
consent, hence it is illegal in most if not all jurisdictions.
tim gueguen 101867
We needn't have consensus with an animal to use it for whatever means we
choose. This is a rediculous argument, and should have no place in this
newsgroup. We don't need consent from animals to kill, torture, or rape them
(this is unfortunate perhaps). An animal cannot possibly make a decision on
a child, for instance, as a homosexual partner could, if they had the same
rights as a married partner. An animal cannot collect survivor benefits,
enherit, run a business, etc. Marriage between homosexuals is about being
given equal rights. Animals are incapable of these things. This equation of
homosexuality=beastiality is a waste of time.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 01:20:04 PM |
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"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<B88fb.15934$yV2.451602@weber.videotron.net>...
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a consentual
activity given that one of the parties involved cannot properly give
consent, hence it is illegal in most if not all jurisdictions.
tim gueguen 101867
We needn't have consensus with an animal to use it for whatever means we
choose. This is a rediculous argument, and should have no place in this
newsgroup. We don't need consent from animals to kill, torture, or rape them
(this is unfortunate perhaps).
Actually, in the US it is illegal to torture animals for the sake of
causing them pain (whatever you may think of research or ranching
practices as justification). In several states the penalties for
abusing animals are rising, because it is finally sinking in that the
teenage creep who tortures cats will take your child in a couple of
years. The Jeffery Dahmers and Jabriols of the world always start with
critters.
An animal cannot possibly make a decision on
a child, for instance, as a homosexual partner could, if they had the same
rights as a married partner. An animal cannot collect survivor benefits,
enherit, run a business, etc. Marriage between homosexuals is about being
given equal rights. Animals are incapable of these things. This equation of
homosexuality=beastiality is a waste of time.
Not for Jabriol; he finds this talk exciting.
I'm sure you've noticed that it was he who turned the subject to
animals, after stating a post on tolerance of gays. Has he started on
rape yet?
--- Kermit
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| User: "Steven" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 03:57:03 PM |
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"Kermit" <freehand_THX1138@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1575bfdc.0310031020.ef77ec1@posting.google.com...
"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<B88fb.15934$yV2.451602@weber.videotron.net>...
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a
consentual
activity given that one of the parties involved cannot properly give
consent, hence it is illegal in most if not all jurisdictions.
tim gueguen 101867
We needn't have consensus with an animal to use it for whatever means we
choose. This is a rediculous argument, and should have no place in this
newsgroup. We don't need consent from animals to kill, torture, or rape
them
(this is unfortunate perhaps).
Actually, in the US it is illegal to torture animals for the sake of
causing them pain (whatever you may think of research or ranching
practices as justification).
I suppose you are further refining what I said. The things that animals are
subjected to for food and materials is an atrocity (Ideas for stopping it
I've not got). What is done for research is even less explicable.
In several states the penalties for
abusing animals are rising, because it is finally sinking in that the
teenage creep who tortures cats will take your child in a couple of
years. The Jeffery Dahmers and Jabriols of the world always start with
critters.
An animal cannot possibly make a decision on
a child, for instance, as a homosexual partner could, if they had the
same
rights as a married partner. An animal cannot collect survivor benefits,
enherit, run a business, etc. Marriage between homosexuals is about
being
given equal rights. Animals are incapable of these things. This equation
of
homosexuality=beastiality is a waste of time.
Not for Jabriol; he finds this talk exciting.
Both Jabriol and the Sister. Since Sister is a ***** and probably a
cow/whale, would having sex with her constitute for beastiality?
I'm sure you've noticed that it was he who turned the subject to
animals, after stating a post on tolerance of gays. Has he started on
rape yet?
If it wasn't for the fact that there is strength in numbers, assholes like
these would have puckered up and disappeared by now.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
02 Oct 2003 11:21:39 PM |
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In article <Qt4fb.7333$9l5.5199@pd7tw2no>, "tim gueguen"
<ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the bible condems
homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit in.
There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just
change sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments already protect
behaviour, namely religious faith. Why should sexual orientation be
any different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment should
protect their rights as well?
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a
consentual activity given that one of the parties involved
cannot properly give consent, hence it is illegal in
most if not all jurisdictions.
Okay, let me get this straight... you can buy and sell animals against
their will. Pen them up and hold them prisoner against their will. Ride
around on them against their will. Race them against their will. Even
cut them open, gut them, cook them and eat them against their will.
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Have you and logic ever even met?
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
02 Oct 2003 11:35:57 PM |
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"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-A64493.23221502102003@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <Qt4fb.7333$9l5.5199@pd7tw2no>, "tim gueguen"
<ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the bible
condems
homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit in.
There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just
change sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments already
protect
behaviour, namely religious faith. Why should sexual orientation be
any different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should
protect their rights as well?
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a
consentual activity given that one of the parties involved
cannot properly give consent, hence it is illegal in
most if not all jurisdictions.
Okay, let me get this straight... you can buy and sell animals against
their will. Pen them up and hold them prisoner against their will. Ride
around on them against their will. Race them against their will. Even
cut them open, gut them, cook them and eat them against their will.
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 12:08:11 AM |
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In article <bliuet$ckat2$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-A64493.23221502102003@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <Qt4fb.7333$9l5.5199@pd7tw2no>, "tim gueguen"
<ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a
stranger called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth
and told this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the
bible condems homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit
in. There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just
change sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments
already protect behaviour, namely religious faith. Why
should sexual orientation be any different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the
goverment should protect their rights as well?
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a
consentual activity given that one of the parties involved
cannot properly give consent, hence it is illegal in
most if not all jurisdictions.
Okay, let me get this straight... you can buy and sell animals against
their will. Pen them up and hold them prisoner against their will. Ride
around on them against their will. Race them against their will. Even
cut them open, gut them, cook them and eat them against their will.
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 03:05:52 PM |
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"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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In article <bliuet$ckat2$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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In article <Qt4fb.7333$9l5.5199@pd7tw2no>, "tim gueguen"
<ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
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"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a
stranger called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net>
came forth
and told this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the
bible condems homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit
in. There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can
just
change sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments
already protect behaviour, namely religious faith. Why
should sexual orientation be any different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the
goverment should protect their rights as well?
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a
consentual activity given that one of the parties involved
cannot properly give consent, hence it is illegal in
most if not all jurisdictions.
Okay, let me get this straight... you can buy and sell animals against
their will. Pen them up and hold them prisoner against their will.
Ride
around on them against their will. Race them against their will. Even
cut them open, gut them, cook them and eat them against their will.
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
I've got a better idea. You go try it and see what the judge says.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 06:09:32 PM |
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In article <blkl9a$de2q2$5@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-0AA25F.00084703102003@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <bliuet$ckat2$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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In article <Qt4fb.7333$9l5.5199@pd7tw2no>, "tim gueguen"
<ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a
stranger called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth
and told this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians,
the bible condems homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to
fit in. There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le
can just change sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments
already protect behaviour, namely religious faith. Why
should sexual orientation be any different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the
goverment should protect their rights as well?
Consentual activities should be protected. Bestiality is not a
consentual activity given that one of the parties involved
cannot properly give consent, hence it is illegal in
most if not all jurisdictions.
Okay, let me get this straight... you can buy and sell animals
against their will. Pen them up and hold them prisoner against their will. Ride
around on them against their will. Race them against their will.
Even cut them open, gut them, cook them and eat them against their will.
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
I've got a better idea. You go try it and see what the judge says.
That's what I thought. You can't. Your argument has no merit so this is
what you've resorted to.
The *fact* is that laws against bestiality don't mention the consent (or
lack thereof) of the animal at all.
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03 Oct 2003 09:45:41 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:08:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
Take your pick:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex13.htm
Under California Penal Code Section 285.5:
Any person who sexually assaults any animal protected by
Section 597f for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual
desire of the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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03 Oct 2003 12:17:50 PM |
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In article <cj2rnvs64p9vqdo6i3jgi2799uiesgaef9@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:08:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
Take your pick:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex13.htm
Under California Penal Code Section 285.5:
Any person who sexually assaults any animal protected by
Section 597f for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual
desire of the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
And where does it say anything about the animal's consent?
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03 Oct 2003 03:02:44 PM |
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"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-910C72.12182603102003@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <cj2rnvs64p9vqdo6i3jgi2799uiesgaef9@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:08:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
Take your pick:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex13.htm
Under California Penal Code Section 285.5:
Any person who sexually assaults any animal protected by
Section 597f for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual
desire of the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
And where does it say anything about the animal's consent?
Like I said before, go try it and see what the judge says.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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03 Oct 2003 06:10:22 PM |
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In article <blkl99$de2q2$4@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote:
"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-910C72.12182603102003@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <cj2rnvs64p9vqdo6i3jgi2799uiesgaef9@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:08:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't
consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
Take your pick:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex13.htm
Under California Penal Code Section 285.5:
Any person who sexually assaults any animal protected by
Section 597f for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual
desire of the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
And where does it say anything about the animal's consent?
Like I said before, go try it and see what the judge says.
Why don't you answer the question instead of continuing to make
non-responsive comments?
Perhaps because the answer to the question proves you wrong?
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03 Oct 2003 02:20:52 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:17:50 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
In article <cj2rnvs64p9vqdo6i3jgi2799uiesgaef9@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:08:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
Take your pick:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex13.htm
Under California Penal Code Section 285.5:
Any person who sexually assaults any animal protected by
Section 597f for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual
desire of the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
And where does it say anything about the animal's consent?
Notice that it say nothing about an animal being able to give consent.
Go screw a pooch, then try to convince a judge.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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03 Oct 2003 06:11:20 PM |
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In article <9virnv839a88i62hcr9dl04p5p0vnoopjn@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:17:50 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
In article <cj2rnvs64p9vqdo6i3jgi2799uiesgaef9@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:08:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
But it's illegal to have sex with them because they don't consent?
Can't consent. Yes, that's precisely what the law says.
Really? Quote me the actual law. We'll see.
Take your pick:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/sex13.htm
Under California Penal Code Section 285.5:
Any person who sexually assaults any animal protected by
Section 597f for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual
desire of the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.
And where does it say anything about the animal's consent?
Notice that it say nothing about an animal being able to give consent.
No *****. That was my point all along. Thanks for proving me right.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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03 Oct 2003 02:54:09 AM |
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piggy backing
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should protect their rights as well?
Considering the immense animal abuse in the farm & food industry, I
think the animals would rather be fucked than eaten.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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02 Oct 2003 05:48:35 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the bible
condems
homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit in.
There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just change
sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments already
protect
behaviour, namely religious faith. Why should sexual orientation be any
different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should
protect their rights as well?
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
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| User: "jabriol" |
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03 Oct 2003 04:53:51 AM |
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"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
news:blia2i$clu63$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and
told
this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the bible
condems
homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit in.
There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just
change
sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments already
protect
behaviour, namely religious faith. Why should sexual orientation be
any
different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should
protect their rights as well?
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
so people with down syndrome dont have sexual rights.. got it.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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03 Oct 2003 02:54:01 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:PGbfb.521487$Ji7.5650098@news.easynews.com...
"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
news:blia2i$clu63$1@ID-120990.news.uni-berlin.de...
"jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> wrote in message
news:Tg1fb.5363499$mA4.761741@news.easynews.com...
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:xm0fb.6150$pl3.1625@pd7tw3no...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lrlnvgd677dtge3rssg19t28jhhf682p2@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:51:05 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and
told
this tale in alt.atheism
Actually there are many JW's who were gay and lesbians, the bible
condems
homosexuality.
No, they are suppressing who they actually are in order to fit in.
There has never been any scientific proof that peop0le can just
change
sexual orientation.. with or without religion.
Not that it matters in the end. North American governments already
protect
behaviour, namely religious faith. Why should sexual orientation be
any
different?
so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should
protect their rights as well?
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
so people with down syndrome dont have sexual rights.. got it.
Case-by-case basis.
Informed/age of consent is well-defined. Try looking through
http://lawcrawler.findlaw.com/scripts/lc.pl?entry=informed+consent&sites=findlaw.com The fact that you don't grasp how it works is inconsequential.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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03 Oct 2003 09:48:38 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:53:51 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
so people with down syndrome dont have sexual rights.. got it.
Don't know much about Down's, I take it?
Developmentally Disabled people are taken on a case by case basis.
Many DD's can give informed consent, and do infact fall in love, get
married, hold jobs. Other's can't, and having sex with these people,
even if you get them to say yes, is rape.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
03 Oct 2003 12:24:13 PM |
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In article <ku2rnvgsvcricqjrl6allesc8nicfirlk4@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:53:51 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
so people with down syndrome dont have sexual rights.. got it.
Don't know much about Down's, I take it?
Developmentally Disabled people are taken on a case by case basis.
Many DD's can give informed consent, and do infact fall in love, get
married, hold jobs. Other's can't, and having sex with these people,
even if you get them to say yes, is rape.
So such a person is legally forbidden from ever having sex and must live
a life of forced celibacy?
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| User: "jabriol" |
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03 Oct 2003 06:33:22 PM |
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"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BTR1702-679396.12244903102003@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <ku2rnvgsvcricqjrl6allesc8nicfirlk4@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:53:51 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
so people with down syndrome dont have sexual rights.. got it.
Don't know much about Down's, I take it?
Developmentally Disabled people are taken on a case by case basis.
Many DD's can give informed consent, and do infact fall in love, get
married, hold jobs. Other's can't, and having sex with these people,
even if you get them to say yes, is rape.
So such a person is legally forbidden from ever having sex and must live
a life of forced celibacy?
seem that way.... how about queer DD?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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03 Oct 2003 02:22:23 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:24:13 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
In article <ku2rnvgsvcricqjrl6allesc8nicfirlk4@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:53:51 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
so people with down syndrome dont have sexual rights.. got it.
Don't know much about Down's, I take it?
Developmentally Disabled people are taken on a case by case basis.
Many DD's can give informed consent, and do infact fall in love, get
married, hold jobs. Other's can't, and having sex with these people,
even if you get them to say yes, is rape.
So such a person is legally forbidden from ever having sex and must live
a life of forced celibacy?
Pretty much. Unless he or she can show that s/he is capable of
understand what sex is and what it means.
My mom worked with DDs for over 20 years. Some of them cannot
comprehend what sex means.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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03 Oct 2003 06:06:34 PM |
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In article <11jrnv0ivmodeg54orej6ckfk5sio3aasg@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:24:13 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
In article <ku2rnvgsvcricqjrl6allesc8nicfirlk4@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 09:53:51 GMT, a stranger
called by some "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
For the umpteenth time, look up 'informed consent.'
so people with down syndrome dont have sexual rights.. got it.
Don't know much about Down's, I take it?
Developmentally Disabled people are taken on a case by case basis.
Many DD's can give informed consent, and do infact fall in love, get
married, hold jobs. Other's can't, and having sex with these people,
even if you get them to say yes, is rape.
So such a person is legally forbidden from ever having sex and must live
a life of forced celibacy?
Pretty much.
How wonderful for the folks in the government to be deciding such
intimate things for people, depriving some of the ability to enjoy one
of the greatest pleasures of being human for life.
Unless he or she can show that s/he is capable of
understand what sex is and what it means.
And how does one go about doing that? Is there a written test or
something?
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| User: "Steven" |
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03 Oct 2003 06:55:22 PM |
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How wonderful for the folks in the government to be deciding such
intimate things for people, depriving some of the ability to enjoy one
of the greatest pleasures of being human for life.
That is the way it should be. However, when making these kinds of decisions
about how people may function in society, the rules that apply to the
majority need to be the same as those applied to the minority. An excellent
example of this is marriage. Marriage is allowed by law, and regulated by
law, to heterosexuals; since these laws have been made, they should be
considered as laws and regulations applying to homosexuals as well. For some
reason, the American justices and government do not seem to be making this
very important distinction.
Unless he or she can show that s/he is capable of
understand what sex is and what it means.
And how does one go about doing that? Is there a written test or
something?
How about an aptitude test for sex?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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03 Oct 2003 09:56:52 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:06:34 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
In article <11jrnv0ivmodeg54orej6ckfk5sio3aasg@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
So such a person is legally forbidden from ever having sex and must live
a life of forced celibacy?
Pretty much.
How wonderful for the folks in the government to be deciding such
intimate things for people, depriving some of the ability to enjoy one
of the greatest pleasures of being human for life.
A four year old is dying of leukemia. Do you have sex with her?
We are talking about adults with the minds of children, maybe even
toddlers. The cannot understand that there are people who want to use
them, and abuse them.
Unless he or she can show that s/he is capable of
understand what sex is and what it means.
And how does one go about doing that? Is there a written test or
something?
Nope. If a DD begins showing interest in sexual activity, usually the
psych techs involved will try to teach some basic rules.. like birth
control, health, and the like.
If two DDs want to marry, they must show a judge that they understand
the obligations and requirements of marriage, and that they are
capable of handling these obligations.
Many DDs do marry, and live on their own. There are others who simply
can't be trusted to take part in normal society.
We also have a right to bear arms. Would you give a three-year old a
loaded Mini-Uzi?
Out of curiosity, have you ever dealt with the developmentally
disabled? Or are you making pronouncements from the lofty peaks of
complete ignorance. I've been volunteering at Special Olympics for
almost 20 years, and helped out when my mom rand a school for
high-functioning DDs who lived at home.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
04 Oct 2003 01:05:29 PM |
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In article <gadsnv8h0u9f6sf28n95a1ibrdo4ktrjaj@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 03 Oct 2003 23:06:34 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
In article <11jrnv0ivmodeg54orej6ckfk5sio3aasg@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
So such a person is legally forbidden from ever having sex and must
live
a life of forced celibacy?
Pretty much.
How wonderful for the folks in the government to be deciding such
intimate things for people, depriving some of the ability to enjoy one
of the greatest pleasures of being human for life.
A four year old is dying of leukemia. Do you have sex with her?
Me? Nope.
Unless he or she can show that s/he is capable of
understand what sex is and what it means.
And how does one go about doing that? Is there a written test or
something?
Nope. If a DD begins showing interest in sexual activity, usually the
psych techs involved will try to teach some basic rules.. like birth
control, health, and the like.
If two DDs want to marry, they must show a judge that they understand
the obligations and requirements of marriage, and that they are
capable of handling these obligations.
And yet Bob and Sue Smith have to do no such thing. They can just get
married. And at least half of them later prove themselves incapable of
handling "obligations and requirements of marriage".
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04 Oct 2003 06:54:13 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:05:29 GMT, a stranger
called by some BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
In article <gadsnv8h0u9f6sf28n95a1ibrdo4ktrjaj@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
How wonderful for the folks in the government to be deciding such
intimate things for people, depriving some of the ability to enjoy one
of the greatest pleasures of being human for life.
A four year old is dying of leukemia. Do you have sex with her?
Me? Nope.
Should she be allowed? Can she make that decision?
Nope. If a DD begins showing interest in sexual activity, usually the
psych techs involved will try to teach some basic rules.. like birth
control, health, and the like.
If two DDs want to marry, they must show a judge that they understand
the obligations and requirements of marriage, and that they are
capable of handling these obligations.
And yet Bob and Sue Smith have to do no such thing. They can just get
married. And at least half of them later prove themselves incapable of
handling "obligations and requirements of marriage".
Since they are not devlopmentally disabled, and have reached the legal
age, they can do what they want. DD's have the minds of children, at
best.
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Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Steven" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada |
02 Oct 2003 08:20:50 PM |
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so if one has sexual orientation for horses and dogs, the goverment
should
protect their rights as well?
Mmm... horsemeat. It's so hard to buy. I've never tried dog. Did you know
that it is legal for many companies to do vivisections? Quite honestly, I
would think that this kind of activity should be illegal, but we continue to
torture these animals to get data that's already been gathered, and has
since been proved to be ineffective for the purposes that these experiments
are conducted. Quite frankly, beastiality seems somehow, less beastial in
comparison.
My point? You are an idiot for comparing animal rights with human rights.
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