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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "JaBrIoL"
Date: 30 Sep 2003 08:30:48 AM
Object: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada
istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and Canada is
often described as one of the world's longest and most peaceful, and
visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much like home--with
just enough quaint differences to make a visit interesting. All that
is about to change, and some Americans are about ready to dig a moral
moat along the border. Our basically peaceful northern neighbor has
experienced a huge personality change, and not for the better. Liberal
Canada is turning itself into radical Sweden. The Canadian House of
Commons defeated a motion defining marriage "as the union of one man
and one woman to the exclusion of all others." The margin of victory
was small, but the bill failed just the same, and the media quickly
claimed the vote as an endorsement of homosexual marriage. [see The
Washington Post] A provincial appeals court in Ontario legalized gay
marriage this past summer, ruling that denying homosexual couples the
right to marry violated "the dignity of same-sex relationships."
Hundreds of homosexual couples quickly took advantage of the ruling,
and Prime Minister Jean Chretien chose not to appeal the court's
ruling. The bill proposed by the Canadian Alliance party was the only
hope of reversing the decision and prohibiting gay marriage. The
bill's demise means that homosexual marriage will almost surely be
legalized throughout the nation. Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte,
Archbishop of Montreal, condemned Parliament's action: "If marriage
simply become a union of two persons who love each other, must we then
permit marriage between a brother and a sister? Between a father and
his daughter? Between a mother and her son?" Conservative Protestants
also sounded the alarm. The Evangelical Fellowship of Canada released
a statement expressing disappointment in the vote and promising a
vigorous debate on the issue in coming months. It may be too late.
Janey Epp Buckingham, the group's director of law and public policy
claimed that "millions of Canadians oppose the redefinition of
marriage, and president Bruce Clemenger asserted that the marriage
issue is really not about rights at all, but about legal definition
and public policy. "If marriage is reduced to merely a contract
between two people, its distinctiveness will be lost and it will be
hard for the government to refuse including other types of
relationships." Tuesday's action in Parliament was bad enough, but the
very next day the House of Commons moved to include homosexuals under
hate crime provisions. Bill C-250 was sponsored by homosexual MP Svend
Robinson, who told the media that his bill would "recognize that just
as we say it's wrong to promote hatred or violence directed against
racial or religious or ethnic minorities, so too, should we say it's
just as wrong to promote that hatred or violence directed at gay or
lesbian people." [see Toronto Globe and Mail] Others see the bill
very differently--as an attempt to silence Christians by criminalizing
anyone who quotes the Bible's passages against homosexuality. Brian
Rushfeldt of the Canada Family Action Coalition explains that
Canadians opposed to homosexual marriage "are already being accused of
'hate' speech by homosexual activists.... When C-250 is passed into
law later this fall, the activists will begin to insist on prosecution
to silence their critics with criminal sanctions." The bill now moves
to the Senate and must eventually receive royal assent to become law.
Both sides now expect the bill to become law by the end of the year.
Celebrating his legislative victory, MP Robinson declared, "I feel
proud to be a Canadian." He has every reason to cheer, for the gay and
lesbian agenda took unprecedented strides forward in the past week. He
appears to be on the winning side. All this may take their American
neighbors by surprise. Many Americans are unaware of the fact that
Canada's public life is radically secular when compared to the United
States. Canada is pioneering a post-Christian culture, with liberal
sexual mores and a hostility to Christian conviction. In 1997, a
Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission board of inquiry fined a
Christian businessman $4,500 for running an advertisement in The Star
Phoenix newspaper that simply listed four biblical passages that
condemn homosexual behavior [Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:26
and 1 Corinthians 6:9]. The ad did not even provide the actual text of
the verses. Two stickmen holding hands were pictured in the
advertisement, with the international negative symbol [a red circle
bisected by a slash] over the figures. The board ruled that the
symbols, when combined with the biblical citations, "would expose or
tend to expose homosexuals to hatred or ridicule." According to this
Canadian agency, the Bible is now hate speech. Canada's Christians
have plenty of reason to worry. Sweden has moved to make all
anti-homosexual speech a criminal offense, including sermons or Bible
readings that condemn homosexual behavior. Pastors can be fined and
cited for unacceptable sermons. Canada's legal system is moving
quickly in the same direction--and with the same arguments. The whole
idea of hate speech has a dubious basis in the law. Hate crime laws
set certain groups apart as deserving of special protections.
Christians do not defend physical violence against anyone--homosexuals
included--and call for the full prosecution of any who would resort to
violence or assault. But to label certain forms of assault hate crimes
assumes that the motivation to harm one person is more criminal than
the motivation to harm another. When hate crimes are extended to
speech, the government sets itself up as a judge of what language or
speech is legal or illegal. The logic of the legislation is clear--no
criticism of homosexuality is allowable, whatever its form or basis.
This would cover not only epithets thrown at homosexuals, but sermons
in Christian pulpits against homosexual bahavior. The move to silence
the pulpit represents the ultimate aim of homosexual activists. In
the end, the biblical condemnation of homosexual behavior is the great
obstacle to the normalization of homosexuality and all other sexual
"lifestyles." So long as a significant portion of the population
claims allegience to the Bible, gay activists face an insurmountable
obstacle to the full acceptance of their sexuality. If the pulpits can
be silenced, and if the Bible can be set aside as a dangerous,
hate-filled text, the path to full acceptance and normalization is
wide open. Preaching and teaching against homosexuality simply cannot
be allowed. Many fear that the Canadian legislation would make
biblical preaching a crime. Americans will watch our northern neighbor
with increasing wariness and concern. Homosexual activists here would
like to see similar legislation passed in the United States. In the
meantime, Canadian Christians had better wake up. The Word of God is
about to be labeled as hate speech--and telling the truth is about to
become a crime.
See also:
http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=9A6F834F-D72C-47A0-BABE-668235B5F49C
and http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34671 As
WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if Robinson's bill becomes law,
the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under the criminal code in
certain instances, as evidenced by the case of a Saskatchewan man
fined by a provincial human-rights tribunal for taking out a newspaper
ad with Scripture references to verses about homosexuality. "I was not
surprised it passed, because we have a morally bankrupt government
which cannot see past its bizarre liberal ideology," Brian Rushfeldt,
executive director of the Canada Family Action Coalition, told
WorldNetDaily.
.

User: "MarcRW"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 09:49:46 AM
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com...

Historically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and Canada is
often described as one of the world's longest and most peaceful, and
visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much like home--with
just enough quaint differences to make a visit interesting.

Still is. I trust the Canadians to choose their own way.
Marc
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 05 Oct 2003 01:59:44 PM
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:49:46 -0700, "MarcRW" <marcRW@spam.me.not>,
Message ID: <9Kgeb.9272$gi2.657@fed1read01> wrote in alt.atheism;

"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com...

Historically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and Canada is
often described as one of the world's longest and most peaceful, and
visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much like home--with
just enough quaint differences to make a visit interesting.


Still is. I trust the Canadians to choose their own way.

Indeed. The shrill hypocracy of bronze age superstition prattled by
ignorant and prejudiced weak sisters is to be pointed out and laughed at
derisively.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.


User: "tim gueguen"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 11:26:14 AM
"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com...
Something obviously cut and pasted from somewhere else, which he failed to
credit. Naughty naughty!
tim gueguen 101867
.
User: "~ Bea Lancealotta ~"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 08:09:47 PM
"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:G8ieb.52207$TM4.17226@pd7tw2no...


"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com...
Something obviously cut and pasted from somewhere else, which he failed

to

credit. Naughty naughty!

========================
It's ok for Jehovah's Witnesses like Jabriol to break the law, to lie, to do
whatever it takes to get converts - when done in the name of their
Watchtower god. They're also taught, using their WTS bibles, to be rabid
anti-gays. Never mind their god saw nothing wrong with the capture and rape
of young virgin girls, genocide, the keeping of slaves and the killing of
naughty children using bears and stones.
--
Patty & Patrick.....
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for
their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible;
in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~* ~~*
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User: "jabriol"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 08:47:33 PM
"~ Bea Lancealotta ~" <CrooksAndLiars@theWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
news:3f7a1c89@news.isdn.net...


"tim gueguen" <ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in message
news:G8ieb.52207$TM4.17226@pd7tw2no...


"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com...
Something obviously cut and pasted from somewhere else, which he failed

to

credit. Naughty naughty!

========================
It's ok for Jehovah's Witnesses like Jabriol to break the law, to lie, to

do

whatever it takes to get converts - when done in the name of their
Watchtower god.

here we go again .. Carol lies as always.. tell us, what law have I broken,
when did I break it?
when was I charged and convicted?
what is a Watchtower god?

They're also taught, using their WTS bibles, to be rabid
anti-gays. Never mind their god saw nothing wrong with the capture and

rape

of young virgin girls, genocide, the keeping of slaves and the killing of
naughty children using bears and stones.

the same old drible, from an atheist, who send her minor son to motels to
have a good time..
.


User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 05 Oct 2003 02:01:57 PM
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:26:14 GMT, "tim gueguen"
<ad058@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca>, Message ID:
<G8ieb.52207$TM4.17226@pd7tw2no> wrote in alt.atheism;


"JaBrIoL" <Jabriol@excite.com> wrote in message
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com...
Something obviously cut and pasted from somewhere else, which he failed to
credit. Naughty naughty!

It was 'for a greater good' and honesty is against christian policy.

tim gueguen 101867



Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.


User: "Maverick"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 01:34:11 PM
9/30/2003, around 03:30:48 PM, JaBrIoL wrote:

istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and Canada is
often described as one of the world's longest and most peaceful, and
visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much like home--with
just enough quaint differences to make a visit interesting. All that
is about to change, and some Americans are about ready to dig a moral
moat along the border. Our basically peaceful northern neighbor has
experienced a huge personality change, and not for the better. Liberal
Canada is turning itself into radical Sweden. The Canadian House of
Commons defeated a motion defining marriage "as the union of one man
and one woman to the exclusion of all others."

Why describe marriage in the law at all?

and telling the truth is about to
become a crime.

What is the truth?
.
User: "No One"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 02:37:18 PM
"Maverick" <sh100@hotmail.com> writes:

Why describe marriage in the law at all?

Because as a civil institution, it has tax implications, and confers
various rights and responsibilities. For instance, if one partner in
a marriage becomes ill and requires long-term care in a nursing home,
in some if not all states, half the financial resources of the two
will be used for such care. If the two were not married, then
depending on how it turned out and if finances can be transferred
between them without gift taxes making the transfer useless, the
government could end up paying the full cost. If it turned out the
other way, the nursing home would get the full amount and the state
might end up having to support the other partner on wellfare.
If there are children, whether adopted or not, the resource-sharing
helps provide them with a more stable living arrangement. There are
cases where a father either divorced his wife or his wife died, and he
then realized he was gay. If the father then starts a relationship
with another guy, the child will be raised as having two fathers.
Whether people like it or not, such arrangements exist. If the
child's natural father dies, the child might be better off staying
with the second father - otherwise the child might think he or she was
being taken away as punishment and was somehow responible for the
death. A civil marriage confers such rights, although other, more
expensive options exist as well.
This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution. The
confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.
.
User: "Steven"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 06:06:45 PM

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution. The
confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.

Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married, one
need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're married.
In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if you lived
with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto she was
your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and woman,
and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring to
specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a standard for
marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling with
the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual natures.
Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one interpretation of
Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you will.
We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror images
of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the changing
definition of marriage along with it.
.
User: "No One"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 09:17:39 PM
"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> writes:

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution. The
confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married, one
need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're married.

But the Bible was written before you had form 1040, schedule C, and
a tax system so complex you need an accountant to figure it out.
You also didn't have IRAs, inheritance tax, and a host of other
complexities.
.

User: "jabriol"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 01 Oct 2003 09:03:53 PM
"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d0oeb.66275$tJ6.1436714@wagner.videotron.net...

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution. The
confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married, one
need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're

married.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if you

lived

with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto she was
your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and woman,
and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring to
specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a standard

for

marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling with
the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual

natures.


Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one interpretation

of

Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you

will.

We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror

images

of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the changing
definition of marriage along with it.

I see, so from homo sapien we all become Homosexual
.
User: "Steven"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 02 Oct 2003 12:48:50 AM

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution. The
confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married, one
need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're

married.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if you

lived

with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto she

was

your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and

woman,

and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring to
specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a standard

for

marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling

with

the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual

natures.


Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one interpretation

of

Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you

will.

We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror

images

of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the changing
definition of marriage along with it.


I see, so from homo sapien we all become Homosexual

I doubt it. Homosexuals have one major difficulty they cannot overcome. They
don't propagate. They cannot indoctrinate children in the same way as Sister
Tucker types can. They essentially extinguish their DNA. I imagine that
female homosexuals do not need to suffer this fate. If Sister Tucker types
can create 10 children, teaching them to hate homosexuals, and they as
parents continue the trend, within a few generations, she has essentially
created a mob of ruthless anti-homosexual crusaders. Whereas the homosexual
males, unless they can adopt, cannot indoctrinate children.
What is funny, is that I bet a lot of these religious crusaders are doing
more harm to Christianity than good. Imagine, would God be readier to
forgive someone for satisfying homosexual lust, or someone who scared
homosexuals away from God? I'm not religious myself, but I can't help but
think that these anti-homsexual Christians are real hypocrits.
.
User: "Bill Baker"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 02 Oct 2003 07:11:14 AM
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 01:48:50 -0400, "Steven"
<wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<5%Oeb.108825$Wk2.2138927@weber.videotron.net>:

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution.
The confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married,
one need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're

married.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if you

lived

with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto she

was

your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and

woman,

and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring to
specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a
standard

for

marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling

with

the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual

natures.


Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one
interpretation

of

Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you

will.

We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror

images

of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the
changing definition of marriage along with it.


I see, so from homo sapien we all become Homosexual

I doubt it. Homosexuals have one major difficulty they cannot overcome.
They don't propagate. They cannot indoctrinate children in the same way as
Sister Tucker types can. They essentially extinguish their DNA. I imagine
that female homosexuals do not need to suffer this fate. If Sister Tucker
types can create 10 children, teaching them to hate homosexuals, and they
as parents continue the trend, within a few generations, she has
essentially created a mob of ruthless anti-homosexual crusaders. Whereas
the homosexual males, unless they can adopt, cannot indoctrinate children.

What is funny, is that I bet a lot of these religious crusaders are doing
more harm to Christianity than good. Imagine, would God be readier to
forgive someone for satisfying homosexual lust, or someone who scared
homosexuals away from God? I'm not religious myself, but I can't help but
think that these anti-homsexual Christians are real hypocrits.

Hear, hear!
--
"His eyes were cold. As cold as the bitter winter snow that was falling
outside. Yes, cold and therefore difficult to chew..."
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 05 Oct 2003 03:32:54 PM
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:48:50 -0400, "Steven"
<wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<5%Oeb.108825$Wk2.2138927@weber.videotron.net> wrote in alt.atheism;

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution. The
confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married, one
need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're

married.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if you

lived

with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto she

was

your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and

woman,

and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring to
specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a standard

for

marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling

with

the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual

natures.


Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one interpretation

of

Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you

will.

We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror

images

of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the changing
definition of marriage along with it.


I see, so from homo sapien we all become Homosexual

I doubt it. Homosexuals have one major difficulty they cannot overcome. They
don't propagate.

They can, and do. The off-spring of homosexuals can be heterosexual or
homosexual just as the off-spring of heterosexuals.

They cannot indoctrinate children in the same way as Sister
Tucker types can. They essentially extinguish their DNA. I imagine that
female homosexuals do not need to suffer this fate. If Sister Tucker types
can create 10 children, teaching them to hate homosexuals, and they as
parents continue the trend, within a few generations, she has essentially
created a mob of ruthless anti-homosexual crusaders. Whereas the homosexual
males, unless they can adopt, cannot indoctrinate children.

What 'indoctrination?' Folks are heterosexual/bi-sexual/homosexual.
I'm straight heterosexual. I can no more change my sexuality than I can
flap my arms and fly.
As long as the home is loving and supportive what difference does the
gender of the partners make?

What is funny, is that I bet a lot of these religious crusaders are doing
more harm to Christianity than good. Imagine, would God be readier to
forgive someone for satisfying homosexual lust, or someone who scared
homosexuals away from God? I'm not religious myself, but I can't help but
think that these anti-homsexual Christians are real hypocrits.

They are. In spades.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
User: "jabriol"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 05 Oct 2003 05:44:59 PM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:48:50 -0400, "Steven"
<wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<5%Oeb.108825$Wk2.2138927@weber.videotron.net> wrote in alt.atheism;

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution.

The

confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married,

one

need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're

married.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if

you

lived

with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto

she

was

your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and

woman,

and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring

to

specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a

standard

for

marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling

with

the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual

natures.


Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one

interpretation

of

Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you

will.

We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror

images

of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the

changing

definition of marriage along with it.


I see, so from homo sapien we all become Homosexual

I doubt it. Homosexuals have one major difficulty they cannot overcome.

They

don't propagate.


They can, and do. The off-spring of homosexuals can be heterosexual or
homosexual just as the off-spring of heterosexuals.

then thry are not homosexual, they are bi-sexuals.


They cannot indoctrinate children in the same way as Sister
Tucker types can. They essentially extinguish their DNA. I imagine that
female homosexuals do not need to suffer this fate. If Sister Tucker

types

can create 10 children, teaching them to hate homosexuals, and they as
parents continue the trend, within a few generations, she has essentially
created a mob of ruthless anti-homosexual crusaders. Whereas the

homosexual

males, unless they can adopt, cannot indoctrinate children.


What 'indoctrination?' Folks are heterosexual/bi-sexual/homosexual.
I'm straight heterosexual. I can no more change my sexuality than I can
flap my arms and fly.

As long as the home is loving and supportive what difference does the
gender of the partners make?

What is funny, is that I bet a lot of these religious crusaders are doing
more harm to Christianity than good. Imagine, would God be readier to
forgive someone for satisfying homosexual lust, or someone who scared
homosexuals away from God? I'm not religious myself, but I can't help but
think that these anti-homsexual Christians are real hypocrits.


They are. In spades.



.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 06 Oct 2003 04:24:10 PM
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 22:44:59 GMT, "jabriol" <jabriol@Neogenesis.net>,
Message ID: <L91gb.5547271$mA4.789208@news.easynews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;


"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:pdv0ovkluoes96jp92hipolcjsvlsd151m@4ax.com...

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:48:50 -0400, "Steven"
<wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<5%Oeb.108825$Wk2.2138927@weber.videotron.net> wrote in alt.atheism;

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution.

The

confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married,

one

need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're

married.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if

you

lived

with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto

she

was

your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and

woman,

and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring

to

specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a

standard

for

marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling

with

the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual

natures.


Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one

interpretation

of

Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you

will.

We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror

images

of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the

changing

definition of marriage along with it.


I see, so from homo sapien we all become Homosexual

I doubt it. Homosexuals have one major difficulty they cannot overcome.

They

don't propagate.


They can, and do. The off-spring of homosexuals can be heterosexual or
homosexual just as the off-spring of heterosexuals.


then thry are not homosexual, they are bi-sexuals.

Not at all. A bi-sexual is a person attracted to both sexes.
There's nothing keeping a homosexual male performing with a female
whether she is homosexual or heterosexual.
(snip)


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.

User: "Fritz"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 08 Oct 2003 12:35:38 PM
jabriol wrote:

I doubt it. Homosexuals have one major difficulty they cannot overcome.

They

don't propagate.


They can, and do. The off-spring of homosexuals can be heterosexual or
homosexual just as the off-spring of heterosexuals.


then thry are not homosexual, they are bi-sexuals.

So you don't understand what a homosexual is.
Then you don't know what you're talking about.
--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Taking back my freedom of conscience.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 09 Oct 2003 12:46:43 PM
On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 13:35:38 -0400, Fritz <fsmith@bcfjeupl.net>, Message
ID: <3F844AE9.FD1AB5FB@bcfjeupl.net> wrote in alt.atheism;

jabriol wrote:

I doubt it. Homosexuals have one major difficulty they cannot overcome.

They

don't propagate.


They can, and do. The off-spring of homosexuals can be heterosexual or
homosexual just as the off-spring of heterosexuals.


then thry are not homosexual, they are bi-sexuals.


So you don't understand what a homosexual is.

Then you don't know what you're talking about.

In other words 'situation normal.'


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.






User: "jabriol"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 02 Oct 2003 04:59:43 PM
"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d0oeb.66275$tJ6.1436714@wagner.videotron.net...

This has nothing to do with marriage as a religious institution. The
confusion is simply the result of using the word "marriage"
generically to refer to both sorts of arrangements.


Perhaps you're right. But according to the Bible, to become married, one
need only to go to the town square and declare 3 times that you're

married.

In Ancient Greece and Rome, it was considered a defacto affair: if you

lived

with a woman (who was not your slave, relative, etc), then defacto she was
your wife. For example, the old Greek word gyne meant both wife and woman,
and in literature, it is often unclear when the author is referring to
specifically one or the other. It's not like society has had a standard

for

marriage, or relations between a man and a woman as we know it today,
forever. It is an ongoing work of definition. Today, we're struggling with
the fact that there are homosexual people who wish to have the same
relationship under the law as any other two people of heterosexual

natures.


Do you remember Pandora's pithos? Woman, according to one interpretation

of

Hesiod's Theogany, was created as a curse to man, a punishment if you

will.

We cannot rely on tradition, because our customs today are not mirror

images

of Ancient societies, nor should they be. We are evolving; the changing
definition of marriage along with it.

.



User: "marika"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 08:10:42 PM
"Maverick" <sh100@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<D0keb.3360$d1.1823@nntpserver.swip.net>...

9/30/2003, around 03:30:48 PM, JaBrIoL wrote:

istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and Canada is
often described as one of the world's longest and most peaceful, and
visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much like home--with
just enough quaint differences to make a visit interesting. All that
is about to change, and some Americans are about ready to dig a moral
moat along the border. Our basically peaceful northern neighbor has
experienced a huge personality change, and not for the better. Liberal
Canada is turning itself into radical Sweden. The Canadian House of
Commons defeated a motion defining marriage "as the union of one man
and one woman to the exclusion of all others."


Why describe marriage in the law at all?


and telling the truth is about to
become a crime.


What is the truth?

You WOULD be right there, except as I recall we are talking LITERAL
here, so if they
"laid down", I would guess that means they LAID DOWN, to the
literalist. And that is all.
If "laying down" can mean sex to a literalist, than "breaking bread"
can mean farting.
(If you ask me.) So there you have it. They did not urinate, but they
did fart.
Discussion closed.
mk5000
"Well, big boo, fucking, hoo."--the #1 sharxster


.

User: "SRubin5190"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 30 Sep 2003 02:24:56 PM

istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our

northern neighbor

I am delighted to have Canada as our neighbor and I may consider moving there
depending on if Dubya is reelected. (The horror)
Sue in PA
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 05 Oct 2003 03:21:36 PM
On 30 Sep 2003 19:24:56 GMT,
(SRubin5190), Message
ID: <20030930152456.01231.00000057@mb-m29.aol.com> wrote in alt.atheism;

istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our

northern neighbor


I am delighted to have Canada as our neighbor and I may consider moving there
depending on if Dubya is reelected. (The horror)

You mean elected or re-appointed.

Sue in PA



Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.



User: "Bernard Hubbard"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 04 Oct 2003 12:58:09 AM
(JaBrIoL) wrote in
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com:

istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and
Canada is often described as one of the world's longest and most
peaceful, and visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much
like home--with just enough quaint differences to make a visit
interesting. All that is about to change, and some Americans are
about ready to dig a moral moat along the border. Our basically
peaceful northern neighbor has experienced a huge personality
change, and not for the better. Liberal Canada is turning itself
into radical Sweden. The Canadian House of Commons defeated a
motion defining marriage "as the union of one man and one woman
to the exclusion of all others." The margin of victory was
small, but the bill failed just the same, and the media quickly
claimed the vote as an endorsement of homosexual marriage. [see
The Washington Post] A provincial appeals court in Ontario
legalized gay marriage this past summer, ruling that denying
homosexual couples the right to marry violated "the dignity of
same-sex relationships." Hundreds of homosexual couples quickly
took advantage of the ruling, and Prime Minister Jean Chretien
chose not to appeal the court's ruling. The bill proposed by the
Canadian Alliance party was the only hope of reversing the
decision and prohibiting gay marriage. The bill's demise means
that homosexual marriage will almost surely be legalized
throughout the nation. Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte, Archbishop
of Montreal, condemned Parliament's action: "If marriage simply
become a union of two persons who love each other, must we then
permit marriage between a brother and a sister? Between a father
and his daughter? Between a mother and her son?" Conservative
Protestants also sounded the alarm. The Evangelical Fellowship
of Canada released a statement expressing disappointment in the
vote and promising a vigorous debate on the issue in coming
months. It may be too late. Janey Epp Buckingham, the group's
director of law and public policy claimed that "millions of
Canadians oppose the redefinition of marriage, and president
Bruce Clemenger asserted that the marriage issue is really not
about rights at all, but about legal definition and public
policy. "If marriage is reduced to merely a contract between two
people, its distinctiveness will be lost and it will be hard for
the government to refuse including other types of
relationships." Tuesday's action in Parliament was bad enough,
but the very next day the House of Commons moved to include
homosexuals under hate crime provisions. Bill C-250 was
sponsored by homosexual MP Svend Robinson, who told the media
that his bill would "recognize that just as we say it's wrong to
promote hatred or violence directed against racial or religious
or ethnic minorities, so too, should we say it's just as wrong
to promote that hatred or violence directed at gay or lesbian
people." [see Toronto Globe and Mail] Others see the bill very
differently--as an attempt to silence Christians by
criminalizing anyone who quotes the Bible's passages against
homosexuality. Brian Rushfeldt of the Canada Family Action
Coalition explains that Canadians opposed to homosexual marriage
"are already being accused of 'hate' speech by homosexual
activists.... When C-250 is passed into law later this fall, the
activists will begin to insist on prosecution to silence their
critics with criminal sanctions." The bill now moves to the
Senate and must eventually receive royal assent to become law.
Both sides now expect the bill to become law by the end of the
year. Celebrating his legislative victory, MP Robinson declared,
"I feel proud to be a Canadian." He has every reason to cheer,
for the gay and lesbian agenda took unprecedented strides
forward in the past week. He appears to be on the winning side.
All this may take their American neighbors by surprise. Many
Americans are unaware of the fact that Canada's public life is
radically secular when compared to the United States. Canada is
pioneering a post-Christian culture, with liberal sexual mores
and a hostility to Christian conviction. In 1997, a Saskatchewan
Human Rights Commission board of inquiry fined a Christian
businessman $4,500 for running an advertisement in The Star
Phoenix newspaper that simply listed four biblical passages that
condemn homosexual behavior [Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans
1:26 and 1 Corinthians 6:9]. The ad did not even provide the
actual text of the verses. Two stickmen holding hands were
pictured in the advertisement, with the international negative
symbol [a red circle bisected by a slash] over the figures. The
board ruled that the symbols, when combined with the biblical
citations, "would expose or tend to expose homosexuals to hatred
or ridicule." According to this Canadian agency, the Bible is
now hate speech. Canada's Christians have plenty of reason to
worry. Sweden has moved to make all anti-homosexual speech a
criminal offense, including sermons or Bible readings that
condemn homosexual behavior. Pastors can be fined and cited for
unacceptable sermons. Canada's legal system is moving quickly in
the same direction--and with the same arguments. The whole idea
of hate speech has a dubious basis in the law. Hate crime laws
set certain groups apart as deserving of special protections.
Christians do not defend physical violence against
anyone--homosexuals included--and call for the full prosecution
of any who would resort to violence or assault. But to label
certain forms of assault hate crimes assumes that the motivation
to harm one person is more criminal than the motivation to harm
another. When hate crimes are extended to speech, the government
sets itself up as a judge of what language or speech is legal or
illegal. The logic of the legislation is clear--no criticism of
homosexuality is allowable, whatever its form or basis. This
would cover not only epithets thrown at homosexuals, but sermons
in Christian pulpits against homosexual bahavior. The move to
silence the pulpit represents the ultimate aim of homosexual
activists. In the end, the biblical condemnation of homosexual
behavior is the great obstacle to the normalization of
homosexuality and all other sexual "lifestyles." So long as a
significant portion of the population claims allegience to the
Bible, gay activists face an insurmountable obstacle to the full
acceptance of their sexuality. If the pulpits can be silenced,
and if the Bible can be set aside as a dangerous, hate-filled
text, the path to full acceptance and normalization is wide
open. Preaching and teaching against homosexuality simply
cannot be allowed. Many fear that the Canadian legislation
would make biblical preaching a crime. Americans will watch our
northern neighbor with increasing wariness and concern.
Homosexual activists here would like to see similar legislation
passed in the United States. In the meantime, Canadian
Christians had better wake up. The Word of God is about to be
labeled as hate speech--and telling the truth is about to become
a crime.

See also:
http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=9A6F834F-D72C-47A0-BA
BE-668235B5F49C and
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34671
As WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if Robinson's bill
becomes law, the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under
the criminal code in certain instances, as evidenced by the case
of a Saskatchewan man fined by a provincial human-rights
tribunal for taking out a newspaper ad with Scripture references
to verses about homosexuality. "I was not surprised it passed,
because we have a morally bankrupt government which cannot see
past its bizarre liberal ideology," Brian Rushfeldt, executive
director of the Canada Family Action Coalition, told
WorldNetDaily.

Just when are you fucking Americans going to learn that Canada is a
separate country and you bastards should not be sticking your
stinking noses in Canada's business. Your propensity of trying to
take control of the policies of other sovereign nations is the
major reason for America being one of the most hated nations on
earth. Get back into your civil rights backwater and reform
yourselves before taking on others. Pissant
--
Bernard Hubbard
Australian, Gay, Green and Proud.
.
User: "Light Templar"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 05 Oct 2003 09:29:32 PM
"Bernard Hubbard" <berndavey@iprimus.light.au.com> wrote in message
news:Xns940AA273D1BCAbernard61hiprimus@203.134.67.67...

Jabriol@excite.com (JaBrIoL) wrote in
news:d222de3e.0309300530.6a02b90d@posting.google.com:

istorically, Americans have been pleased to have Canada as our
northern neighbor. The border between the United States and
Canada is often described as one of the world's longest and most
peaceful, and visiting Americans find most of Canada pretty much
like home--with just enough quaint differences to make a visit
interesting. All that is about to change, and some Americans are
about ready to dig a moral moat along the border. Our basically
peaceful northern neighbor has experienced a huge personality
change, and not for the better. Liberal Canada is turning itself
into radical Sweden. The Canadian House of Commons defeated a
motion defining marriage "as the union of one man and one woman
to the exclusion of all others." The margin of victory was
small, but the bill failed just the same, and the media quickly
claimed the vote as an endorsement of homosexual marriage. [see
The Washington Post] A provincial appeals court in Ontario
legalized gay marriage this past summer, ruling that denying
homosexual couples the right to marry violated "the dignity of
same-sex relationships." Hundreds of homosexual couples quickly
took advantage of the ruling, and Prime Minister Jean Chretien
chose not to appeal the court's ruling. The bill proposed by the
Canadian Alliance party was the only hope of reversing the
decision and prohibiting gay marriage. The bill's demise means
that homosexual marriage will almost surely be legalized
throughout the nation. Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte, Archbishop
of Montreal, condemned Parliament's action: "If marriage simply
become a union of two persons who love each other, must we then
permit marriage between a brother and a sister? Between a father
and his daughter? Between a mother and her son?" Conservative
Protestants also sounded the alarm. The Evangelical Fellowship
of Canada released a statement expressing disappointment in the
vote and promising a vigorous debate on the issue in coming
months. It may be too late. Janey Epp Buckingham, the group's
director of law and public policy claimed that "millions of
Canadians oppose the redefinition of marriage, and president
Bruce Clemenger asserted that the marriage issue is really not
about rights at all, but about legal definition and public
policy. "If marriage is reduced to merely a contract between two
people, its distinctiveness will be lost and it will be hard for
the government to refuse including other types of
relationships." Tuesday's action in Parliament was bad enough,
but the very next day the House of Commons moved to include
homosexuals under hate crime provisions. Bill C-250 was
sponsored by homosexual MP Svend Robinson, who told the media
that his bill would "recognize that just as we say it's wrong to
promote hatred or violence directed against racial or religious
or ethnic minorities, so too, should we say it's just as wrong
to promote that hatred or violence directed at gay or lesbian
people." [see Toronto Globe and Mail] Others see the bill very
differently--as an attempt to silence Christians by
criminalizing anyone who quotes the Bible's passages against
homosexuality. Brian Rushfeldt of the Canada Family Action
Coalition explains that Canadians opposed to homosexual marriage
"are already being accused of 'hate' speech by homosexual
activists.... When C-250 is passed into law later this fall, the
activists will begin to insist on prosecution to silence their
critics with criminal sanctions." The bill now moves to the
Senate and must eventually receive royal assent to become law.
Both sides now expect the bill to become law by the end of the
year. Celebrating his legislative victory, MP Robinson declared,
"I feel proud to be a Canadian." He has every reason to cheer,
for the gay and lesbian agenda took unprecedented strides
forward in the past week. He appears to be on the winning side.
All this may take their American neighbors by surprise. Many
Americans are unaware of the fact that Canada's public life is
radically secular when compared to the United States. Canada is
pioneering a post-Christian culture, with liberal sexual mores
and a hostility to Christian conviction. In 1997, a Saskatchewan
Human Rights Commission board of inquiry fined a Christian
businessman $4,500 for running an advertisement in The Star
Phoenix newspaper that simply listed four biblical passages that
condemn homosexual behavior [Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans
1:26 and 1 Corinthians 6:9]. The ad did not even provide the
actual text of the verses. Two stickmen holding hands were
pictured in the advertisement, with the international negative
symbol [a red circle bisected by a slash] over the figures. The
board ruled that the symbols, when combined with the biblical
citations, "would expose or tend to expose homosexuals to hatred
or ridicule." According to this Canadian agency, the Bible is
now hate speech. Canada's Christians have plenty of reason to
worry. Sweden has moved to make all anti-homosexual speech a
criminal offense, including sermons or Bible readings that
condemn homosexual behavior. Pastors can be fined and cited for
unacceptable sermons. Canada's legal system is moving quickly in
the same direction--and with the same arguments. The whole idea
of hate speech has a dubious basis in the law. Hate crime laws
set certain groups apart as deserving of special protections.
Christians do not defend physical violence against
anyone--homosexuals included--and call for the full prosecution
of any who would resort to violence or assault. But to label
certain forms of assault hate crimes assumes that the motivation
to harm one person is more criminal than the motivation to harm
another. When hate crimes are extended to speech, the government
sets itself up as a judge of what language or speech is legal or
illegal. The logic of the legislation is clear--no criticism of
homosexuality is allowable, whatever its form or basis. This
would cover not only epithets thrown at homosexuals, but sermons
in Christian pulpits against homosexual bahavior. The move to
silence the pulpit represents the ultimate aim of homosexual
activists. In the end, the biblical condemnation of homosexual
behavior is the great obstacle to the normalization of
homosexuality and all other sexual "lifestyles." So long as a
significant portion of the population claims allegience to the
Bible, gay activists face an insurmountable obstacle to the full
acceptance of their sexuality. If the pulpits can be silenced,
and if the Bible can be set aside as a dangerous, hate-filled
text, the path to full acceptance and normalization is wide
open. Preaching and teaching against homosexuality simply
cannot be allowed. Many fear that the Canadian legislation
would make biblical preaching a crime. Americans will watch our
northern neighbor with increasing wariness and concern.
Homosexual activists here would like to see similar legislation
passed in the United States. In the meantime, Canadian
Christians had better wake up. The Word of God is about to be
labeled as hate speech--and telling the truth is about to become
a crime.

See also:
http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=9A6F834F-D72C-47A0-BA
BE-668235B5F49C and
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34671
As WorldNetDaily reported, opponents fear if Robinson's bill
becomes law, the Bible will be deemed "hate literature" under
the criminal code in certain instances, as evidenced by the case
of a Saskatchewan man fined by a provincial human-rights
tribunal for taking out a newspaper ad with Scripture references
to verses about homosexuality. "I was not surprised it passed,
because we have a morally bankrupt government which cannot see
past its bizarre liberal ideology," Brian Rushfeldt, executive
director of the Canada Family Action Coalition, told
WorldNetDaily.


Just when are you fucking Americans going to learn that Canada is a
separate country and you bastards should not be sticking your
stinking noses in Canada's business.

Please refrain from lumping all U.S. Citizens (Technically, Canadians are
Americans as well as Mexico, S. America, etc.) with that bozo.
.
User: "Steven"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 06 Oct 2003 09:22:30 PM

Please refrain from lumping all U.S. Citizens (Technically, Canadians are
Americans as well as Mexico, S. America, etc.) with that bozo.

The US chose such a bad name for a country, that they had to take the name
of the entire continent. Else one might call 'em USAers or something like
that.
.
User: "Light Templar"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 06 Oct 2003 10:16:39 PM
"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Nrpgb.56584$282.959648@weber.videotron.net...


Please refrain from lumping all U.S. Citizens (Technically, Canadians

are

Americans as well as Mexico, S. America, etc.) with that bozo.


The US chose such a bad name for a country, that they had to take the name
of the entire continent. Else one might call 'em USAers or something like
that.

Who said the US chose it? The name actually stuck due to European
immigrants identifying the U.S. with the name of the continent.
.
User: "Steven"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 07 Oct 2003 06:21:21 AM

Please refrain from lumping all U.S. Citizens (Technically, Canadians

are

Americans as well as Mexico, S. America, etc.) with that bozo.


The US chose such a bad name for a country, that they had to take the

name

of the entire continent. Else one might call 'em USAers or something

like

that.


Who said the US chose it? The name actually stuck due to European
immigrants identifying the U.S. with the name of the continent.

That's where most of the upperclass USAers are from. It's not the only
mistake either: just ask any "Indian".
.
User: "Light Templar"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 07 Oct 2003 06:24:58 AM
"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Rkxgb.44082$ti3.1067171@wagner.videotron.net...

Please refrain from lumping all U.S. Citizens (Technically,

Canadians

are

Americans as well as Mexico, S. America, etc.) with that bozo.


The US chose such a bad name for a country, that they had to take the

name

of the entire continent. Else one might call 'em USAers or something

like

that.


Who said the US chose it? The name actually stuck due to European
immigrants identifying the U.S. with the name of the continent.


That's where most of the upperclass USAers are from.

But they weren't USAers at the time. That's why we call them immigrants.
It's not the only

mistake either: just ask any "Indian".

I am Cherokee.
.
User: "Steven"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 07 Oct 2003 04:04:10 PM

But they weren't USAers at the time. That's why we call them immigrants.


It's not the only

mistake either: just ask any "Indian".


I am Cherokee.

So you know what I'm talking about. You're no Indian, you're a Cherokee. If
I were a Cherokee or any other tribesman, it'd raise my hackels to hear
someone call me an Indian. Not that I've got something against Indians (the
Eastern ones I mean).
.
User: "Light Templar"

Title: Re: Oh Queer Canada: The Bible as Hate Speech? Gays Win Big in Canada 07 Oct 2003 04:15:24 PM
"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eTFgb.70076$282.1220031@weber.videotron.net...

But they weren't USAers at the time. That's why we call them

immigrants.



It's not the only

mistake either: just ask any "Indian".


I am Cherokee.


So you know what I'm talking about. You're no Indian, you're a Cherokee.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about, I'm just not sure what the relevance
is 500 years after the fact.
If

I were a Cherokee or any other tribesman, it'd raise my hackels to hear
someone call me an Indian. Not that I've got something against Indians

(the

Eastern ones I mean).

Why would you have anything against anyone that hasn't harmed you? Let's
face facts, being a "tribesman" has been over in the US for about a century
now, except for purely ceremonial and genealogical purposes.
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