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OHHHHHH Robyn-this is right down your alley |
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "gammajoe8" |
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06 Feb 2004 01:54:46 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com...
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
I did a talk on witches once (or maybe, twice) and used this as background.
These two guys, Kramer and Sprenger, were a couple of old monks living in a
monastary up in the mountains and dreamt all this stuff up. The Catholics
used this document as their authority and Lutherans used the Bible, going
after the Druids first, but together they killed about 50 million women
during this European witchunting period, sometimes leaving entire villages
without one single female alive.
Stoney, you don't really want to put this on Robyn's doorstep do you? She's
a nice witchy poo.
#948
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: OHHHHHH Robyn-this is right down your alley |
06 Feb 2004 08:26:06 AM |
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In article <aLHUb.13035$GO6.8480@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, gammajoe8
says...
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com...
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
I did a talk on witches once (or maybe, twice) and used this as background.
These two guys, Kramer and Sprenger, were a couple of old monks living in a
monastary up in the mountains and dreamt all this stuff up. The Catholics
used this document as their authority and Lutherans used the Bible, going
after the Druids first, but together they killed about 50 million women
during this European witchunting period, sometimes leaving entire villages
without one single female alive.
Stoney, you don't really want to put this on Robyn's doorstep do you? She's
a nice witchy poo.
Hee hee, thanks :)
Yep, I know all about the Malleus Maleficarum. It's mentioned in several books
in my witchypoo library.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Feb 2004 06:46:33 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:26:06 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>,
Message ID: <2uNUb.2096$_4.247@www.newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
In article <aLHUb.13035$GO6.8480@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, gammajoe8
says...
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com...
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
I did a talk on witches once (or maybe, twice) and used this as background.
These two guys, Kramer and Sprenger, were a couple of old monks living in a
monastary up in the mountains and dreamt all this stuff up. The Catholics
used this document as their authority and Lutherans used the Bible, going
after the Druids first, but together they killed about 50 million women
during this European witchunting period, sometimes leaving entire villages
without one single female alive.
Stoney, you don't really want to put this on Robyn's doorstep do you? She's
a nice witchy poo.
Hee hee, thanks :)
Yep, I know all about the Malleus Maleficarum. It's mentioned in several books
in my witchypoo library.
Yes, but you can download the malevolent tome at the site. You'll be
able to see what's in it.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OHHHHHH Robyn-this is right down your alley |
06 Feb 2004 06:45:44 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 07:54:46 GMT, "gammajoe8" <elcam@earthlink.net>,
Message ID: <aLHUb.13035$GO6.8480@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>
wrote in alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com...
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
I did a talk on witches once (or maybe, twice) and used this as background.
These two guys, Kramer and Sprenger, were a couple of old monks living in a
monastary up in the mountains and dreamt all this stuff up. The Catholics
used this document as their authority and Lutherans used the Bible, going
after the Druids first, but together they killed about 50 million women
during this European witchunting period, sometimes leaving entire villages
without one single female alive.
Stoney, you don't really want to put this on Robyn's doorstep do you? She's
a nice witchy poo.
I know she is. I thought she might find it of interest.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OHHHHHH Robyn-this is right down your alley |
06 Feb 2004 01:12:43 AM |
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In article <d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
'Innocent' what a misnomer for such a vicious Pope! And I think it's
safe to say that his Bull was full of bull.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OHHHHHH Robyn-this is right down your alley |
06 Feb 2004 06:45:01 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:12:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-2DA7FA.23124305022004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
'Innocent' what a misnomer for such a vicious Pope! And I think it's
safe to say that his Bull was full of bull.
Of course! And most of the "Saints" had one hellacious body and even
higher misery generation index, but they're 'shining examples' for the
flock to emulate.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OHHHHHH Robyn-this is right down your alley |
07 Feb 2004 02:47:21 AM |
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In article <76d820d05bsihtb9o2qdgi9gsef3023vge@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:12:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-2DA7FA.23124305022004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
'Innocent' what a misnomer for such a vicious Pope! And I think it's
safe to say that his Bull was full of bull.
Of course! And most of the "Saints" had one hellacious body and even
higher misery generation index, but they're 'shining examples' for the
flock to emulate.
Yeah. Here's the poop on old 'Innocent':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Innocent_VIII
Pope Innocent VIII
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Innocent VIII (1432 - July 25, 1492), Giovanni Battista Cibo, pope from
1484 to 1492, was born at Genoa, and was the son of a man of senatorial
rank. His early years were spent at the Neapolitan court, and
subsequently he went to Padua and Rome for his education. In the latter
city the influence of his friends procured for him, from Paul II the
bishopric of Savona, and in 1473 he was made cardinal by Sixtus IV, whom
he succeeded on August 29, 1484.
Shortly after his coronation he addressed a fruitless summons to
Christendom to unite in a crusade against the infidels; the amount of
his own zeal may in some degree be estimated from the fact that in 1489,
in consideration of a yearly sum of 40,000 ducats and a gift of the
spearhead which had pierced the Saviour's side, he consented to favour
the sultan Bajazet II by detaining his fugitive brother in close
confinement in the Vatican. In 1486, Henry VII of England was declared
to be the rightful holder of the English crown by the threefold right of
conquest, inheritance, and popular choice.
Innocent, in his papal bull "Summis desiderantes" (5 December 1484)
instigated very severe measures against magicians and witches in
Germany; the principles enunciated by him were afterwards embodied in
the Malleus Maleficarum (1487). He it was also who in 1487 appointed
Tomas de Torquemada to be grand inquisitor of Spain -- he was a strong
supporter of the Spanish Inquisition; he also urged a crusade against
the Waldensians, offering plenary indulgence to all who should engage in
it. In 1486, he prohibited, on pain of severe ecclesiastical censures,
the reading of the nine hundred propositions of Pico Mirandola.
An important event of his pontificate was the fall of Granada in January
1492, which was celebrated in the Vatican with great rejoicings. He died
July 25, 1492, leaving behind him numerous children (Octo Nocens pueros
genuit, totidemque puellas; Hunc merito poterit dicere Roma patrem -
"Eight wicked boys born, and just as many girls, so this man could be
entitled to be called Father of Rome"), towards whom his nepotism had
been as lavish as it was shameless. His successor was Alexander VI.
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Not exactly Mr. Nice guy.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Feb 2004 02:31:58 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:47:21 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-D6889F.00472107022004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
In article <76d820d05bsihtb9o2qdgi9gsef3023vge@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:12:43 -0800, johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com>,
Message ID: <jhachm-2DA7FA.23124305022004@news-60.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
(snip)
Shortly after his coronation he addressed a fruitless summons to
Christendom to unite in a crusade against the infidels; the amount of
his own zeal may in some degree be estimated from the fact that in 1489,
in consideration of a yearly sum of 40,000 ducats and a gift of the
spearhead which had pierced the Saviour's side, he consented to favour
the sultan Bajazet II by detaining his fugitive brother in close
confinement in the Vatican. In 1486, Henry VII of England was declared
to be the rightful holder of the English crown by the threefold right of
conquest, inheritance, and popular choice.
Innocent, in his papal bull "Summis desiderantes" (5 December 1484)
instigated very severe measures against magicians and witches in
Germany; the principles enunciated by him were afterwards embodied in
the Malleus Maleficarum (1487). He it was also who in 1487 appointed
Tomas de Torquemada to be grand inquisitor of Spain -- he was a strong
supporter of the Spanish Inquisition; he also urged a crusade against
the Waldensians, offering plenary indulgence to all who should engage in
it. In 1486, he prohibited, on pain of severe ecclesiastical censures,
the reading of the nine hundred propositions of Pico Mirandola.
(snip)
Not exactly Mr. Nice guy.
Oh sure he was! It was for the 'greater glory of imaginary buddy' so
evil is good.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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06 Feb 2004 09:19:54 AM |
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In article <d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com>, stoney says...
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
Yikes, what an evil book. And millions of men, women and children were murdered
because of it ;p
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Feb 2004 06:47:57 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:19:54 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>,
Message ID: <tgOUb.2111$_4.152@www.newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
In article <d07620h20l9d5p2vmr0u05c1otf0elnve4@4ax.com>, stoney says...
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
THE MALLEUS MALEFICARUM
of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger
Unabridged online republication of the 1928 edition. Introduction to the
1948 edition is also included.
Translation, notes, and two introductions by Montague Summers. A Bull of
Innocent VIII.
Yikes, what an evil book. And millions of men, women and children were murdered
because of it ;p
Murdered with relish and great joy!
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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06 Feb 2004 08:20:47 AM |
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stoney wrote:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
The most hateful bit of misogyny ever printed by anyone. And it came from
Christians, imagine that.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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06 Feb 2004 09:16:02 AM |
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On Fri 06 Feb 2004 08:20:47a, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
stoney wrote:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
The most hateful bit of misogyny ever printed by anyone. And it came
from
Christians, imagine that.
Why do I find that so easy to imagine? :P
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Feb 2004 06:47:19 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 06:20:47 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <4023A2BF.EFB0D20F@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/
The most hateful bit of misogyny ever printed by anyone. And it came from
Christians, imagine that.
/innocent look
But, Gregory, that's the sanctioned manual of "Christian Love(tm)."
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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