Religions > Atheism > OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming
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03 Aug 2006 09:34:43 PM |
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OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060803/us_nm/robertson_dc_2
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson
said on Thursday the wave of scorching temperatures across the United
States had converted him into a believer in global warming.
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04 Aug 2006 01:39:01 PM |
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In article <eec5d2p100mqcid7evq26hch8pfke2ph0d@4ax.com>, satyr
<RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060803/us_nm/robertson_dc_2
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson
said on Thursday the wave of scorching temperatures across the United
States had converted him into a believer in global warming.
Robertson is distracted by all sorts of shiny things, isn't he?
-chib
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Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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03 Aug 2006 10:06:18 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:34:43 +0000, satyr in
<eec5d2p100mqcid7evq26hch8pfke2ph0d@4ax.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060803/us_nm/robertson_dc_2
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said
on Thursday the wave of scorching temperatures across the United States
had converted him into a believer in global warming.
Which, ironically enough, is stupid of him...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
03 Aug 2006 10:17:26 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:34:43 +0000, satyr in
<eec5d2p100mqcid7evq26hch8pfke2ph0d@4ax.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060803/us_nm/robertson_dc_2
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said
on Thursday the wave of scorching temperatures across the United States
had converted him into a believer in global warming.
Which, ironically enough, is stupid of him...
Indeed. Pat Robertson gets it wrong again.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Aug 2006 10:22:28 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:17:26 -0700, sleepalot in
<1154661446.866593.213140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:34:43 +0000, satyr in
<eec5d2p100mqcid7evq26hch8pfke2ph0d@4ax.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060803/us_nm/robertson_dc_2
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson
said on Thursday the wave of scorching temperatures across the United
States had converted him into a believer in global warming.
Which, ironically enough, is stupid of him...
Indeed. Pat Robertson gets it wrong again.
Well, gets it right going the wrong way...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
03 Aug 2006 10:57:00 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:17:26 -0700, sleepalot in
<1154661446.866593.213140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:34:43 +0000, satyr in
<eec5d2p100mqcid7evq26hch8pfke2ph0d@4ax.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060803/us_nm/robertson_dc_2
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson
said on Thursday the wave of scorching temperatures across the United
States had converted him into a believer in global warming.
Which, ironically enough, is stupid of him...
Indeed. Pat Robertson gets it wrong again.
Well, gets it right going the wrong way...
Heat waves are "weather", not "climate".
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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04 Aug 2006 12:43:48 AM |
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On 3 Aug 2006 20:57:00 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Which, ironically enough, is stupid of him...
Indeed. Pat Robertson gets it wrong again.
Well, gets it right going the wrong way...
Heat waves are "weather", not "climate".
The same group of scientists were predicting an ice age thirty years
ago. They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
causing it. A few fringe scientists say that if it weren't for
greenhouse gases insulating the Earth's surface, the sun would be
heating up things even more. NASA says that every planet in the solar
system is heating up.
With all of these theories, do any of them *really* know what's going
on with respect to global warming?
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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04 Aug 2006 08:44:37 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna <tbone87@aol.com> wrote:
On 3 Aug 2006 20:57:00 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Which, ironically enough, is stupid of him...
Indeed. Pat Robertson gets it wrong again.
Well, gets it right going the wrong way...
Heat waves are "weather", not "climate".
The same group of scientists were predicting an ice age thirty years
ago. They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
No they aren't. Do you have some bizzare notion that the scientists
studying global warming are all in their 70's?
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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04 Aug 2006 11:03:24 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:44:37 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:
The same group of scientists were predicting an ice age thirty years
ago. They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
No they aren't.
True, but when research has political or monetary motivation behind
it, dissenting opinions seem to fall to the tyranny of the majority.
Do you have some bizzare notion that the scientists
studying global warming are all in their 70's?
No, I'm sure they've indoctrinated...I mean, passed the torch to a
younger generation.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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04 Aug 2006 12:07:53 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:03:24 -0400, Ugly Anna <tbone87@aol.com> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:44:37 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com>
wrote:
The same group of scientists were predicting an ice age thirty years
ago. They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
No they aren't.
True, but when research has political or monetary motivation behind
it, dissenting opinions seem to fall to the tyranny of the majority.
No. They only fall to the tyranny of prior knowledge. You are
free to do research into the existance of invisible flying pink bunnies
if you want, but don't expect anybody to bankroll you.
Do you have some bizzare notion that the scientists
studying global warming are all in their 70's?
No, I'm sure they've indoctrinated...I mean, passed the torch to a
younger generation.
If it works, don't fix it.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Aug 2006 11:56:38 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:03:24 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<unq6d2dt9t74okcouunoqacj4q5fcc3upi@4ax.com> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:44:37 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote:
The same group of scientists were predicting an ice age thirty years
ago. They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
No they aren't.
True, but when research has political or monetary motivation behind it,
dissenting opinions seem to fall to the tyranny of the majority.
So that applies to the majority but not the minority?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Ugly Anna" |
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04 Aug 2006 01:13:45 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 11:56:38 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:03:24 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<unq6d2dt9t74okcouunoqacj4q5fcc3upi@4ax.com> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:44:37 GMT, AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote:
The same group of scientists were predicting an ice age thirty years
ago. They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
No they aren't.
True, but when research has political or monetary motivation behind it,
dissenting opinions seem to fall to the tyranny of the majority.
So that applies to the majority but not the minority?
I get your point. I should have said tyranny of the squeaky wheel...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Aug 2006 07:53:07 AM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
On 3 Aug 2006 20:57:00 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Which, ironically enough, is stupid of him...
Indeed. Pat Robertson gets it wrong again.
Well, gets it right going the wrong way...
Heat waves are "weather", not "climate".
The same group of scientists were predicting an ice age thirty years ago.
You mean those ageless scientists that don't retire nor die?
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's causing it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
A few fringe scientists say that if it weren't for greenhouse gases
insulating the Earth's surface, the sun would be heating up things even
more. NASA says that every planet in the solar system is heating up.
With all of these theories, do any of them *really* know what's going on
with respect to global warming?
The "dissent" is coming almost exclusively from energy corporation funded
groups. That alone should tell you something...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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04 Aug 2006 04:31:01 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's causing it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
The "dissent" is coming almost exclusively from energy corporation funded
groups. That alone should tell you something...
Ad hominem.
I dissent. (I know I don't "count" - I'm no scientist.) I'm
funded but my telecomms company pension scheme.
I dissent because most of the things I hear on the subject;
come from media sources, are speculative, involve fallacious
arguments, are based on sparce or questionable data, etc..
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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05 Aug 2006 03:12:20 AM |
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On 4 Aug 2006 14:31:01 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's causing it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
Non sequitur.
The Consensus are from people who published on Science. These are are
from fringe "bandwagoners"
The "dissent" is coming almost exclusively from energy corporation funded
groups. That alone should tell you something...
Ad hominem.
I dissent. (I know I don't "count" - I'm no scientist.) I'm
funded but my telecomms company pension scheme.
I dissent because most of the things I hear on the subject;
come from media sources, are speculative, involve fallacious
arguments, are based on sparce or questionable data, etc..
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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05 Aug 2006 03:39:20 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
On 4 Aug 2006 14:31:01 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's causing it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
Non sequitur.
The Consensus are from people who published on Science. These are are
from fringe "bandwagoners"
I'm sorry Yang, I don't understand what you meant,
and I've lost interest in this thread.
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07 Aug 2006 11:44:04 AM |
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"sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote in message
news:1154767160.702685.194980@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
On 4 Aug 2006 14:31:01 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
causing it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
Non sequitur.
The Consensus are from people who published on Science. These are are
from fringe "bandwagoners"
I'm sorry Yang, I don't understand what you meant,
and I've lost interest in this thread.
Go away then, thanks.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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07 Aug 2006 12:03:14 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
Go away then, thanks.
Awww. Don't be mean. :(
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| User: "John Baker" |
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08 Aug 2006 07:59:48 PM |
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On 7 Aug 2006 10:03:14 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
Go away then, thanks.
Awww. Don't be mean. :(
Go back to sleep.
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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08 Aug 2006 11:25:41 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
Go back to sleep.
Go ***** yourself.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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04 Aug 2006 07:35:15 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:31:01 -0700, sleepalot in
<1154727061.653934.228630@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's causing
it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
Wrong.
In science, consensus of the experts has serious, significant meaning.
It's a big part of how we do science and you and I wouldn't be chattering
on a global electronic network without it.
The "dissent" is coming almost exclusively from energy corporation
funded groups. That alone should tell you something...
Ad hominem.
Not at all, just fact. ExxonMobil's PR company just got caught floating an
anti-Gore video on YouTube.
They have monetary--and *big* money--incentive to muddy the waters on the
matter. It is not ad hom to note that the energy corporations have been
caught more than once backing the "dissent" and that they have billions of
reasons (aka "dollars") to confuse the public debate.
I dissent. (I know I don't "count" - I'm no scientist.) I'm funded but my
telecomms company pension scheme.
I dissent because most of the things I hear on the subject; come from
media sources, are speculative, involve fallacious arguments, are based on
sparce or questionable data, etc..
"Media sources" you say?
Funny thing, the "debate" is in the "media" while the peer reviewed,
published papers are solidly on the side of "it's happening and we're
contributing to some as yet undetermined degree."
"Media" also spends days debating bible codes, UFOs, Nostradumbass...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Aug 2006 07:12:50 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Zq-dnaNzDfJeek7ZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@megapath.net:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:31:01 -0700, sleepalot in
<1154727061.653934.228630@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
causing it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the
broad outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
Wrong.
In science, consensus of the experts has serious, significant meaning.
It's a big part of how we do science and you and I wouldn't be
chattering on a global electronic network without it.
It's still the bandwagon fallacy. Consensus means *nothing*. *Evidence*
means everything, and the evidence is weak.
The "dissent" is coming almost exclusively from energy corporation
funded groups. That alone should tell you something...
Ad hominem.
Not at all, just fact. ExxonMobil's PR company just got caught
floating an anti-Gore video on YouTube.
Still ad hominem.
They have monetary--and *big* money--incentive to muddy the waters on
the matter. It is not ad hom to note that the energy corporations have
been caught more than once backing the "dissent" and that they have
billions of reasons (aka "dollars") to confuse the public debate.
I dissent. (I know I don't "count" - I'm no scientist.) I'm funded
but my telecomms company pension scheme.
I dissent because most of the things I hear on the subject; come from
media sources, are speculative, involve fallacious arguments, are
based on sparce or questionable data, etc..
"Media sources" you say?
Funny thing, the "debate" is in the "media" while the peer reviewed,
published papers are solidly on the side of "it's happening and we're
contributing to some as yet undetermined degree."
"Media" also spends days debating bible codes, UFOs, Nostradumbass...
More ad hominem.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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04 Aug 2006 09:33:41 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:31:01 -0700, sleepalot in
<1154727061.653934.228630@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's causing
it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
Wrong.
The consensus opinion is that there is a god. Does that
make it so?
In science, consensus of the experts has serious, significant meaning.
Can you use it to alter (say) the boiling point of water?
It's a big part of how we do science and you and I wouldn't be chattering
on a global electronic network without it.
That's technology, not science.
The "dissent" is coming almost exclusively from energy corporation
funded groups. That alone should tell you something...
Ad hominem.
Not at all, just fact.
OK, I'll rephrase it...
"On the question of the existence of gods, the dissent is coming
almost exclusively from atheists. That should tell you something..."
Can you see it now?
ExxonMobil's PR company just got caught floating an
anti-Gore video on YouTube.
What do you mean by "anti-Gore"? Ad hominem attacks
on Gore, or disputing what Gore has said?
Is Gore infallible now? Has the religion of climate crisis
established itself that quickly?
They have monetary--and *big* money--incentive to muddy the waters on the
matter. It is not ad hom to note that the energy corporations have been
caught more than once backing the "dissent" and that they have billions of
reasons (aka "dollars") to confuse the public debate.
More ad hominem. If I was an energy Co., I'd save my money:
whose going to stop using oil?
I dissent. (I know I don't "count" - I'm no scientist.) I'm funded but my
telecomms company pension scheme.
I dissent because most of the things I hear on the subject; come from
media sources, are speculative, involve fallacious arguments, are based on
sparce or questionable data, etc..
"Media sources" you say?
Newspapers, tv, internet, etc..
Funny thing, the "debate" is in the "media" while the peer reviewed,
published papers are solidly on the side of "it's happening and we're
contributing to some as yet undetermined degree."
Imagine if you had a theory that there was some benefit to
be had from smoking; do you think you'd get funding anywhere
but from a tobacco company? If you got the funding, did the work
and found the benefit, would you publish? Would it get through
peer review? Would the media herald it? Not a chance!
You'd be villified. That's the trouble with orthodoxy - it's very
resistant to new information that challenges it.
"Media" also spends days debating bible codes, UFOs,
Nostradumbass...
At least we can agree that the media is unreliable.
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04 Aug 2006 11:29:16 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:33:41 -0700, sleepalot in
<1154745221.810917.51760@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:31:01 -0700, sleepalot in
<1154727061.653934.228630@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:43:48 -0400, Ugly Anna in
<d5n5d219j7odas1oeh96ubt6lpar689naj@4ax.com> wrote:
They now agree on global warming, but they disagree on what's
causing it.
No, the consensus is in. Exact numbers aren't to be had but the broad
outlines are.
Bandwaggon fallacy.
Wrong.
The consensus opinion is that there is a god. Does that make it so?
Are you really going to try to compare mass, popular opinion to the
consensus of experts?
In science, consensus of the experts has serious, significant meaning.
Can you use it to alter (say) the boiling point of water?
That hasn't anything to do with anything.
It's a big part of how we do science and you and I wouldn't be
chattering on a global electronic network without it.
That's technology, not science.
You *have to be trying to be funny.
The "dissent" is coming almost exclusively from energy corporation
funded groups. That alone should tell you something...
Ad hominem.
Not at all, just fact.
OK, I'll rephrase it...
"On the question of the existence of gods, the dissent is coming almost
exclusively from atheists. That should tell you something..."
Can you see it now?
No. You're trying to compare popular, mass opinion to expert opinion. It
won't wash.
ExxonMobil's PR company just got caught floating an
anti-Gore video on YouTube.
What do you mean by "anti-Gore"? Ad hominem attacks on Gore, or
disputing what Gore has said? Is Gore infallible now? Has the religion
of climate crisis established itself that quickly?
Gore isn't the issue. It's that a corporation is trying to manufacture
"dissent."
They have monetary--and *big* money--incentive to muddy the waters on
the matter. It is not ad hom to note that the energy corporations have
been caught more than once backing the "dissent" and that they have
billions of reasons (aka "dollars") to confuse the public debate.
More ad hominem. If I was an energy Co., I'd save my money: whose going
to stop using oil?
Good thing you're not in charge of the legal system, you'd dismiss every
charge as "ad hominem."
I dissent. (I know I don't "count" - I'm no scientist.) I'm funded
but my telecomms company pension scheme.
I dissent because most of the things I hear on the subject; come from
media sources, are speculative, involve fallacious arguments, are
based on sparce or questionable data, etc..
"Media sources" you say?
Newspapers, tv, internet, etc..
Yes. Popular mass media. The kind that reports on crop circles and UFOs
and the Loch Ness monster in all seriousness.
Funny thing, the "debate" is in the "media" while the peer reviewed,
published papers are solidly on the side of "it's happening and we're
contributing to some as yet undetermined degree."
Imagine if you had a theory that there was some benefit to be had from
smoking; do you think you'd get funding anywhere but from a tobacco
company? If you got the funding, did the work and found the benefit,
would you publish? Would it get through peer review? Would the media
herald it? Not a chance! You'd be villified. That's the trouble with
orthodoxy - it's very resistant to new information that challenges it.
You have one big problem.
Science works.
As all human endeavors, we can fumble at times but you cannot, in any
intellectual honest, live in the most advanced civilization of all known
human history and just dismiss as "orthodoxy" or whatever stupid sneers
the process by which we got here.
"Media" also spends days debating bible codes, UFOs, Nostradumbass...
At least we can agree that the media is unreliable.
Well, then, the "media" is where the "dissent" is happening.
There is consensus agreement in the peer reviewed science.
*You seem to want to prefer Chatty Kathy over the experts.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
05 Aug 2006 03:06:30 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
[snip]
I get the impression you've never been wrong about anything.
Further discussion is therefore futile.
Bye.
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| User: "Kate " |
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05 Aug 2006 07:27:02 PM |
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On 5 Aug 2006 01:06:30 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
[snip]
I get the impression you've never been wrong about anything.
Further discussion is therefore futile.
Bye.
LOL scared you ,did he?
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
05 Aug 2006 10:54:11 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On 5 Aug 2006 01:06:30 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
[snip]
I get the impression you've never been wrong about anything.
Further discussion is therefore futile.
Bye.
LOL scared you ,did he?
Heh, nay lass. I just lack the will to beat my head
against walls these days.
I don't know if you've been here long enough to notice it,
but nobodys' opinion on anything, changes, *ever*, through
debate.
Facts can be persuasive, but they're usually in short supply.
Sleepy aa#1385
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
06 Aug 2006 12:54:02 AM |
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On 5 Aug 2006 20:54:11 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 Aug 2006 01:06:30 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
[snip]
I get the impression you've never been wrong about anything.
Further discussion is therefore futile.
Bye.
LOL scared you ,did he?
Heh, nay lass. I just lack the will to beat my head
against walls these days.
I don't know if you've been here long enough to notice it,
but nobodys' opinion on anything, changes, *ever*, through
debate.
Facts can be persuasive, but they're usually in short supply.
Try actually looking at them when you see them. Shutting your eyes
and beating your head against the wall obviously hasn't helped.
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| User: "sleepalot" |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
06 Aug 2006 09:22:57 AM |
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Kate wrote:
Try actually looking at them when you see them. Shutting your eyes
and beating your head against the wall obviously hasn't helped.
Ad hom., poopypants!
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
11 Aug 2006 11:04:42 AM |
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On 6 Aug 2006 07:22:57 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote in
alt.atheism
Kate wrote:
Try actually looking at them when you see them. Shutting your eyes
and beating your head against the wall obviously hasn't helped.
Ad hom., poopypants!
Liar.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OMG, it's the end of the world. Pat Robertson warns of dangers of human-caused global warming |
11 Aug 2006 11:04:26 AM |
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On 6 Aug 2006 00:54:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote in
alt.atheism
On 5 Aug 2006 20:54:11 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Kate wrote:
On 5 Aug 2006 01:06:30 -0700, "sleepalot" <sleepy03@fsmail.net> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
[snip]
I get the impression you've never been wrong about anything.
Further discussion is therefore futile.
Bye.
LOL scared you ,did he?
Heh, nay lass. I just lack the will to beat my head
against walls these days.
I don't know if you've been here long enough to notice it,
but nobodys' opinion on anything, changes, *ever*, through
debate.
Facts can be persuasive, but they're usually in short supply.
Try actually looking at them when you see them. Shutting your eyes
and beating your head against the wall obviously hasn't helped.
LOL!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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