Remember, this is just essentialy an outline.
it will later be fleshed out in considerable detail.

****************************************************

DOES GOD EXIST? STRONG ATHEISM'S ANSWER - NO.

1. OMNIGENESIS, DETERMINISM, FREE WILL,
METAPHYSICAL CHAOS AND THEOLOGICAL NIHILISM.

Omni - all, genesis - creation.
Omnigenesis = creation of all.

Here I shall coin a word for further discussion.
Omnigenesis means creation of all, to the smallest
physical detail. If god is in any way omniscient,
and creator of all, then he in fact creates all, omnigenesis,
to the smallest detail, all of creation to the smallest
quantum level material, to the smallest Planck quantum
distance, Planck quantum time, dimensions, fields,
everything, all of it. All that is, was, and shall be and can be.
At higher levels emergent qualities arising from these
basics create our physical world and us. It creates us,
our actions, our consciousness, feelings, nature, mental
inclinations and surrounding environment. One man may
be a lawyer in California, another an illiterate peasant
in Bangladesh. One man may be good, another an evil
psychopath. Omnigenesis means god creates all things
and all of this and all men's actions to the smallest details.

It removes all possibility of free will.

2. THE OMNISCIENT, CREATOR GOD

God creates all, all our acts, inclinations, personalty,
to the smallest detail. This is extreme determinism.

God at the start of creation must look at what his
considered creation will create and decide, do I allow
this or that to happen?
Do I make John Smith 13 billion years into the future
a man who is evil and damned or good and saved to life
eternal in heaven? All acts Smith does is decided by god.
Does Smith at 10:23 June 24, 1999 commit murder or not?
God must look at that future and say yes, or no and then
create the world that will generate that future he has
personally and purposefully decided on. All acts of all
sentient beings are decided on and created in the smallest
possible detail, knowing, and purposefully by this omniscient
creator God.

3. Omnigenesis destroys free will utterly and totally.

This destroys compatibilism, the doctrine god creates
all but we have free will, and even though god knows what
we do, he does not interfere with our free will to choose
what we do. Many people hold this doctrine is incoherent
and impossible that knowing what we do destroys free will.

But omnigenesis makes that argument moot anyway, we can
have no sort of free will at all and thus no sort of
compatibilism can be true. Compatibilism is now irrelevant
and meaningless as a dodge to exlain way free will
vs God's foreknowlege of the future.
God knows the future because he knowingly creates its every
tinyest detail.

4. THERE ARE 3 ASPECTS OF CREATOR GODS
OMNIGENESIS FORCES US TO CONSIDER.

A. The Clock maker, determinate universe, and foreknowledge

This is idea that god is omniscient, has foreknowledge
of the future because the universe is determinate.
That god somehow winds up the Universe and lets it go
and it goes on unfolding in a determinate manner.
Laplace's demon is said to be able to know the future
relying on determinism like this. God is theorized
as just a sort of Laplacian demon here. This god created a
determinate Universe and knows the future since he can
calculate the future state of the Universe from a starting
state due specifically to the determinate quality of
the Universe.

But omnigenesis means there is no wind up universe
that unfolds, the Deist style great clock maker or
Aristotelian prime mover/creator. All is created to
the smallest detail in a detailed and totally, purposefully,
decided manner.

Omnigenesis is totally determinate in a different
manner, this sort of determinism all is created at
once, the fate of all in the Universe is decided at
one and in all particulars even before creation actually
commenced. God here knows the future because he knowing
and personally created every aspect of the future, not
because it unfolds in a determinate manner from a known
starting point.

B. God and omnipotence and time.

If god is omnipotent,or even just magnipotent, greatly
powerful, he is beyond being affected by mundane
things. Time does not affect god, he created
time and controls time, time does not control or affect
God. For God there is no past, present, future, just now.
This is God as claimed by Augustine and Boethius.
God out of time, transcendent to time is a standard
theological claim because of these men.

But again its omnigenesis. God creates all. And there
is no past, future all is now. Thus all is created at
once, now, in all its finest details. We are back to
omnigenesis as above.

We are driven there starting with claims god is
omnipotent and considering an omnipotent god who
created all and that god's relation to mundane time.

C. Omnigenesis - Creator of all and Omniscience
As seen above in 2., a god that is simple said to
be creator of all and omniscient even with no
particular theory how he knows all, out of time,
or creates a determinate word that unfolds, no
theory as to how he knows all, also dooms free will
in the strongest manner possible. Just the fact this
god is omniscience and creates all is sufficient
to create omnigenesis and doom all free will.

D. Three theories of creation, omniscience
1. Deterministic, clock maker style Universe.
The theoretical deterministic prime mover's world.
2. Omniscient - creator god.
3. Omnipotent god transcendent to time.

All 3 theories lead to total omnigenesis.
All 3 theories destroy any possible free will
totally in the strongest manner possible.


5. OMNIGENESIS AND METAPHYSICAL NIHILISM

God is alleged all good, totally good, omniscient,
creator of all. And the omni-everything creator
class of gods including the gods of Judaism, Islam,
Christianity and others have these attributes explicitly,
and also have other attributes.
God is just, merciful, he loves us and wants us to
be good and to be saved. God hates sin, evil and
punishes evil men for their acts, including eternal
damnation. And so on. Different religions may have
slighty different variations and emphasis on this
or that aspect of their god's abilities. Also involved
are more metaphysical considerations.

But omnigenesis destroys all of this. Since God
creates all to the smallest atom, act, and inclination,
there is no room for love or mercy. Why create one
man good, saved and to have eternal life in heaven,
and the next man evil, damned and tortured in eternal
torment in the flames of hell for all eternity for
acts that god decided, planned and created in all
their minute details to the lowliest quark?
Why this if god loves us all is just and merciful?
Since free will means nothing in the strongest manner
imaginable, a god that loves us would create us all
saved, and good and to have life eternal in heaven
if that god is as claimed merciful, just and loving
and omnibenevolent.

Heaven, hell, sin, salvation, damnation lose all
coherent sense and meaning. Where is love in
creating one man evil and many his victims?
How can that be loving, merciful or just?

All dissolves into a meaningless, incoherent nihilism,
a bewildering, meaninglessness far beyond the supposed
meaninglessness of a materialistic, Atheistic world
without god.

Here god is creator of grotesquely meaningless chaos.
A world without any meaning, a surreal Hieronymus
Bosch world of demons and angels and the damned,
heavens and hells with lakes of molten sulfur and
fiery flames and unrelenting torture for men who
were only toys of a relentlessly mad, and meaningless
monster god who created them damned, for reasons unknown,
and unknowable, and irrational to nihilistic extremes.

6. SOULS

And supposedly this god creates souls, which somehow,
are attached to our physical bodies and minds and
are part of the heart of our very existence. Then again,
along with our bodies, our minds, our acts, our inclinations,
god must have created these souls. But he also must have
created them in relationship to our physical body and its
created acts, acts created by god to the smallest details.
It is the soul that allegedly is damned or saved and lives
for ever, or some such, but again, all acts of ours are
created by omnigenesis to the smallest quark so god either also
creates a corresponding soul, damned or saved in parallel.
Or maybe not, who can tell with such an incoherent chaotic,
senseless, irrational system?

With omnigenesis all bets are off, all supposed knowledge
is impossible and incoherent to extremes.

7. CHAOS, NIHILISM, IRRATIONALITY, UNREALITY OF ALL

We achieve then total, utter, furious metaphysical nihilism.
God is mad, and nothing in reality, or metaphysics or any possible
afterlife can be trusted. All supposed systems of metaphysics,
philosophy, religion, theology and reality are destroyed until
the rubble of it all falls into a chaotic surreal abyss of irrational
metaphysics undreamed of by thinking man.

Good, evil, sin, salvation, damnation, sin, souls, heaven,
hell, love, mercy, justice, theodicy, teleology, ontology,
all makes no sense in the strongest terms. the class of
omni-everything, creator Gods destroys everything
with corrosive finality.

This is In the end, taken to their logical ends are all
theology religion, and omni-everything, creator god class
religion can possibly hope to achieve. Utter madness
and total incoherence. Compared to this atheistic
materialism is mankind's only rational hope.

Materialism must be true, the only truth possible. The Grand
Gods of Grand Theologies not only self destruct, but destroy
everything else with incredible thoroughness and totality that
they cannot possibly be truth or reality.

There is no comparison, only with metaphysical materialism
and utter lack of these classes of gods can we find reality
reason and sanity. Systems that work and are rational. Creative
rather than nihilistic to the extreme that theology is now show to be.

This doctrine of omnigenesis destroys all and cannot possibly
be true. but all theology of omnipotent, omniscient creator
gods drives us to omnigenesis with logical and unrelenting
thoroughness. Those doctrines and claims that create a
omnigenetical god, omniscience and creatorship of all,
omnipotence, time, foreknowledge of the future, combine to
create total total metaphysical nihilism. Mulitiple, overlapping
problems that cannot be fixed or explained away. Religion can never
be more unless it abandons totally the doctrines of omniscience,
omnipotence, and creatorship of all things by god. This utterly
destroys the class of omni-everything gods and all religions,
Islam, Christianity, Brahmanistic Hinduims, Judaism and all
other religion built on the doctrine that there is an
omni-everything, creator god.

In the end, we have two stark choices, sane materialism, or
total metaphysical nihilsm. There is really then, only one choice.


(End)


(End)


soul

--

Reason is the Devil's greatest *****; by nature and
manner of being she is a noxious *****; she is a
prostitute, the Devil's appointed *****; ***** eaten
by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot
and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her
face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be
drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to
be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the
closets."
- Martin Luther, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148

Cheerful Charlie

Remember, this is just essentialy an outline.
it will later be fleshed out in considerable detail.

****************************************************

DOES GOD EXIST? STRONG ATHEISM'S ANSWER - NO.

1. OMNIGENESIS, DETERMINISM, FREE WILL,
METAPHYSICAL CHAOS AND THEOLOGICAL NIHILISM.

Omni - all, genesis - creation.
Omnigenesis = creation of all.

Here I shall coin a word for further discussion.
Omnigenesis means creation of all, to the smallest
physical detail. If god is in any way omniscient,
and creator of all, then he in fact creates all, omnigenesis,
to the smallest detail, all of creation to the smallest
quantum level material, to the smallest Planck quantum
distance, Planck quantum time, dimensions, fields,
everything, all of it. All that is, was, and shall be and can be.
At higher levels emergent qualities arising from these
basics create our physical world and us. It creates us,
our actions, our consciousness, feelings, nature, mental
inclinations and surrounding environment. One man may
be a lawyer in California, another an illiterate peasant
in Bangladesh. One man may be good, another an evil
psychopath. Omnigenesis means god creates all things
and all of this and all men's actions to the smallest details.

It removes all possibility of free will.

2. THE OMNISCIENT, CREATOR GOD

God creates all, all our acts, inclinations, personalty,
to the smallest detail. This is extreme determinism.

God at the start of creation must look at what his
considered creation will create and decide, do I allow
this or that to happen?
Do I make John Smith 13 billion years into the future
a man who is evil and damned or good and saved to life
eternal in heaven? All acts Smith does is decided by god.
Does Smith at 10:23 June 24, 1999 commit murder or not?
God must look at that future and say yes, or no and then
create the world that will generate that future he has
personally and purposefully decided on. All acts of all
sentient beings are decided on and created in the smallest
possible detail, knowing, and purposefully by this omniscient
creator God.

3. Omnigenesis destroys free will utterly and totally.

This destroys compatibilism, the doctrine god creates
all but we have free will, and even though god knows what
we do, he does not interfere with our free will to choose
what we do. Many people hold this doctrine is incoherent
and impossible that knowing what we do destroys free will.

But omnigenesis makes that argument moot anyway, we can
have no sort of free will at all and thus no sort of
compatibilism can be true. Compatibilism is now irrelevant
and meaningless as a dodge to exlain way free will
vs God's foreknowlege of the future.
God knows the future because he knowingly creates its every
tinyest detail.

4. THERE ARE 3 ASPECTS OF CREATOR GODS
OMNIGENESIS FORCES US TO CONSIDER.

A. The Clock maker, determinate universe, and foreknowledge

This is idea that god is omniscient, has foreknowledge
of the future because the universe is determinate.
That god somehow winds up the Universe and lets it go
and it goes on unfolding in a determinate manner.
Laplace's demon is said to be able to know the future
relying on determinism like this. God is theorized
as just a sort of Laplacian demon here. This god created a
determinate Universe and knows the future since he can
calculate the future state of the Universe from a starting
state due specifically to the determinate quality of
the Universe.

But omnigenesis means there is no wind up universe
that unfolds, the Deist style great clock maker or
Aristotelian prime mover/creator. All is created to
the smallest detail in a detailed and totally, purposefully,
decided manner.

Omnigenesis is totally determinate in a different
manner, this sort of determinism all is created at
once, the fate of all in the Universe is decided at
one and in all particulars even before creation actually
commenced. God here knows the future because he knowing
and personally created every aspect of the future, not
because it unfolds in a determinate manner from a known
starting point.

B. God and omnipotence and time.

If god is omnipotent,or even just magnipotent, greatly
powerful, he is beyond being affected by mundane
things. Time does not affect god, he created
time and controls time, time does not control or affect
God. For God there is no past, present, future, just now.
This is God as claimed by Augustine and Boethius.
God out of time, transcendent to time is a standard
theological claim because of these men.

But again its omnigenesis. God creates all. And there
is no past, future all is now. Thus all is created at
once, now, in all its finest details. We are back to
omnigenesis as above.

We are driven there starting with claims god is
omnipotent and considering an omnipotent god who
created all and that god's relation to mundane time.

C. Omnigenesis - Creator of all and Omniscience
As seen above in 2., a god that is simple said to
be creator of all and omniscient even with no
particular theory how he knows all, out of time,
or creates a determinate word that unfolds, no
theory as to how he knows all, also dooms free will
in the strongest manner possible. Just the fact this
god is omniscience and creates all is sufficient
to create omnigenesis and doom all free will.

D. Three theories of creation, omniscience
1. Deterministic, clock maker style Universe.
The theoretical deterministic prime mover's world.
2. Omniscient - creator god.
3. Omnipotent god transcendent to time.

All 3 theories lead to total omnigenesis.
All 3 theories destroy any possible free will
totally in the strongest manner possible.


5. OMNIGENESIS AND METAPHYSICAL NIHILISM

God is alleged all good, totally good, omniscient,
creator of all. And the omni-everything creator
class of gods including the gods of Judaism, Islam,
Christianity and others have these attributes explicitly,
and also have other attributes.
God is just, merciful, he loves us and wants us to
be good and to be saved. God hates sin, evil and
punishes evil men for their acts, including eternal
damnation. And so on. Different religions may have
slighty different variations and emphasis on this
or that aspect of their god's abilities. Also involved
are more metaphysical considerations.

But omnigenesis destroys all of this. Since God
creates all to the smallest atom, act, and inclination,
there is no room for love or mercy. Why create one
man good, saved and to have eternal life in heaven,
and the next man evil, damned and tortured in eternal
torment in the flames of hell for all eternity for
acts that god decided, planned and created in all
their minute details to the lowliest quark?
Why this if god loves us all is just and merciful?
Since free will means nothing in the strongest manner
imaginable, a god that loves us would create us all
saved, and good and to have life eternal in heaven
if that god is as claimed merciful, just and loving
and omnibenevolent.

Heaven, hell, sin, salvation, damnation lose all
coherent sense and meaning. Where is love in
creating one man evil and many his victims?
How can that be loving, merciful or just?

All dissolves into a meaningless, incoherent nihilism,
a bewildering, meaninglessness far beyond the supposed
meaninglessness of a materialistic, Atheistic world
without god.

Here god is creator of grotesquely meaningless chaos.
A world without any meaning, a surreal Hieronymus
Bosch world of demons and angels and the damned,
heavens and hells with lakes of molten sulfur and
fiery flames and unrelenting torture for men who
were only toys of a relentlessly mad, and meaningless
monster god who created them damned, for reasons unknown,
and unknowable, and irrational to nihilistic extremes.

6. SOULS

And supposedly this god creates souls, which somehow,
are attached to our physical bodies and minds and
are part of the heart of our very existence. Then again,
along with our bodies, our minds, our acts, our inclinations,
god must have created these souls. But he also must have
created them in relationship to our physical body and its
created acts, acts created by god to the smallest details.
It is the soul that allegedly is damned or saved and lives
for ever, or some such, but again, all acts of ours are
created by omnigenesis to the smallest quark so god either also
creates a corresponding soul, damned or saved in parallel.
Or maybe not, who can tell with such an incoherent chaotic,
senseless, irrational system?

With omnigenesis all bets are off, all supposed knowledge
is impossible and incoherent to extremes.

7. CHAOS, NIHILISM, IRRATIONALITY, UNREALITY OF ALL

We achieve then total, utter, furious metaphysical nihilism.
God is mad, and nothing in reality, or metaphysics or any possible
afterlife can be trusted. All supposed systems of metaphysics,
philosophy, religion, theology and reality are destroyed until
the rubble of it all falls into a chaotic surreal abyss of irrational
metaphysics undreamed of by thinking man.

Good, evil, sin, salvation, damnation, sin, souls, heaven,
hell, love, mercy, justice, theodicy, teleology, ontology,
all makes no sense in the strongest terms. the class of
omni-everything, creator Gods destroys everything
with corrosive finality.

This is In the end, taken to their logical ends are all
theology religion, and omni-everything, creator god class
religion can possibly hope to achieve. Utter madness
and total incoherence. Compared to this atheistic
materialism is mankind's only rational hope.

Materialism must be true, the only truth possible. The Grand
Gods of Grand Theologies not only self destruct, but destroy
everything else with incredible thoroughness and totality that
they cannot possibly be truth or reality.

There is no comparison, only with metaphysical materialism
and utter lack of these classes of gods can we find reality
reason and sanity. Systems that work and are rational. Creative
rather than nihilistic to the extreme that theology is now show to be.

This doctrine of omnigenesis destroys all and cannot possibly
be true. but all theology of omnipotent, omniscient creator
gods drives us to omnigenesis with logical and unrelenting
thoroughness. Those doctrines and claims that create a
omnigenetical god, omniscience and creatorship of all,
omnipotence, time, foreknowledge of the future, combine to
create total total metaphysical nihilism. Mulitiple, overlapping
problems that cannot be fixed or explained away. Religion can never
be more unless it abandons totally the doctrines of omniscience,
omnipotence, and creatorship of all things by god. This utterly
destroys the class of omni-everything gods and all religions,
Islam, Christianity, Brahmanistic Hinduims, Judaism and all
other religion built on the doctrine that there is an
omni-everything, creator god.

In the end, we have two stark choices, sane materialism, or
total metaphysical nihilsm. There is really then, only one choice.


(End)


(End)


soul

--

Reason is the Devil's greatest *****; by nature and
manner of being she is a noxious *****; she is a
prostitute, the Devil's appointed *****; ***** eaten
by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot
and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her
face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be
drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to
be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the
closets."
- Martin Luther, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148

Cheerful Charlie