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"Charles Chapman" |
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10 Aug 2007 08:08:56 PM |
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One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not
come to call the righteous, but sinners."
-- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some Christians
are attacking the show merely because the series started off with
long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the lead
character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking, perhaps
alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys punching random men in the face
when she is not having sexual intercourse with them, and her primary,
although far from exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous
affair with a married man for which she has yet to feel any guilt,
remorse, or moral responsibility. I'm not surprised by the attacks on
the show. I am disappointed. I believe the attacks are misguided, and
do not serve the Lord's purpose. Which is my perhaps pretentious and
egotistical way of saying that the show does far more good than harm.
I responded over at the message board, and my expanded, revised, and
surely yet to be revised response is set forth below.
What my fellow Christians don't understand is this. Grace's behavior
is not a bug. Its a feature.
Perhaps the show is not for those who don't really need it. Perhaps
the show is for those who do. The show is about sinners and, more
importantly, for sinners. Hell, who else needs to be saved?
For those who were offended by the sex scene in the first show, or the
drinking and adultery, I understand. The show may not be for you. Then
again, perhaps you don't need it. (Though, being human and fallible,
you might benefit from it more than you might know.)
But before you condemn the show, please give a thought to those who
might be attracted to it, find it interesting, find it entertaining...
and how they might benefit from it. How else are you going to even
begin to reach them? Certainly not with the television show 7th
Heaven.
The truth is this. There are going to be people who are attracted to a
hard-drinking, hard-assed, adulterous blond police detective with a
great body who strips for her neighbors and, by the way, is also
basically good at heart. And they are going to be better for having
followed her story.
Please understand. Grace isn't at the end of her journey, but the
beginning. If she were perfect, she wouldn't need God's help. To the
extent that everything was already nice and rosy, to that same extent
she wouldn't need faith. Or have it tested.
How many television shows treat religion seriously, or address
religious and moral issues? How many shows treat with respect
characters who have religious faith? Hell, how many television
characters have religious faith?
Crap, how many televisions shows, you know, suggest that adultery
might not be a good thing?
The Pharisees complained that Jesus ate with sinners. Of course He
did. That was the whole point.
Put it this way. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
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| User: "Pt. Lurk Pt." |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
10 Aug 2007 09:23:33 PM |
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"Charles Chapman" <CharlesRCBlog@gmail.com> wrote
The Pharisees complained that Jesus ate with sinners. Of course He
did. That was the whole point.
Put it this way. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
And Christ never, ever, picked up the check...
L.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
13 Aug 2007 04:16:53 PM |
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On Aug 10, 6:08 pm, Charles Chapman <CharlesRCB...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
<Snip>
Please understand. Grace isn't at the end of her journey, but the
beginning. If she were perfect, she wouldn't need God's help.
_Saving Grace_ is nothing but theist propaganda. It has no, er,
saving graces.
Still waiting for theists to provide evidence that a god - *any* god -
actually exists.
I am not, however, holding my breath.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
11 Aug 2007 09:00:37 AM |
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On Aug 10, 9:08 pm, Charles Chapman <CharlesRCB...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not
come to call the righteous, but sinners."
-- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some Christians
are attacking the show merely because the series started off with
long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the lead
character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking, perhaps
alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys punching random men in the face
when she is not having sexual intercourse with them, and her primary,
although far from exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous
affair with a married man for which she has yet to feel any guilt,
remorse, or moral responsibility. I'm not surprised by the attacks on
the show. I am disappointed. I believe the attacks are misguided, and
do not serve the Lord's purpose. Which is my perhaps pretentious and
egotistical way of saying that the show does far more good than harm.
I have atheist friends who absolutely loved the show '7th Heaven'.
They thought it was one of the funniest shows on tv.
actual 7th Heaven quote:
Dad: It's easy to believe something when everyone around you believes
the same thing.
Young Son: You mean like church?
Dad: Yeah...NO!
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
13 Aug 2007 06:43:54 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:00:37 -0700, Conspiracy of Doves <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Aug 10, 9:08 pm, Charles Chapman <CharlesRCB...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not
come to call the righteous, but sinners."
-- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some Christians
are attacking the show merely because the series started off with
long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the lead
character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking, perhaps
alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys punching random men in the face
when she is not having sexual intercourse with them, and her primary,
although far from exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous
affair with a married man for which she has yet to feel any guilt,
remorse, or moral responsibility. I'm not surprised by the attacks on
the show. I am disappointed. I believe the attacks are misguided, and
do not serve the Lord's purpose. Which is my perhaps pretentious and
egotistical way of saying that the show does far more good than harm.
I have atheist friends who absolutely loved the show '7th Heaven'.
They thought it was one of the funniest shows on tv.
actual 7th Heaven quote:
Dad: It's easy to believe something when everyone around you believes
the same thing.
Young Son: You mean like church?
Dad: Yeah...NO!
I gave "Saving Grace" a chance because I like holly hunter and a little
supernatural is OK because I can do what is typically called "suspension of
disbelief" but that show was awful.
Ben
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
10 Aug 2007 08:38:11 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:08:56 +0000, Charles Chapman wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come
to call the righteous, but sinners." -- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some Christians
are attacking the show merely because the series started off with long,
graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the lead character, Grace
(played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking, perhaps alcoholic, devout
atheist who enjoys punching random men in the face when she is not
having sexual intercourse with them, and her primary, although far from
exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous affair with a married
man for which she has yet to feel any guilt, remorse, or moral
responsibility.
So you're saying the show is nothing but an hour of slanderous attacks on
atheists?
I would think Christians would enjoy watching people who don't believe in
their god toy be slandered...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours."
- Dr. House
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
10 Aug 2007 10:42:16 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Nvqdnac-nseejiDbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:08:56 +0000, Charles Chapman wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not
come to call the righteous, but sinners." -- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some
Christians are attacking the show merely because the series started
off with long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the lead
character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking,
perhaps alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys punching random men in
the face when she is not having sexual intercourse with them, and her
primary, although far from exclusive, sexual relationship is an
adulterous affair with a married man for which she has yet to feel
any guilt, remorse, or moral responsibility.
So you're saying the show is nothing but an hour of slanderous attacks
on atheists?
No, he's not saying that, and it isn't that. Though you will be incapable
of seeing anything but that.
I would think Christians would enjoy watching people who don't believe
in their god toy be slandered...
You have a *lot* in common with those hateful theists, you know. More than
you'll ever admit, especially to yourself.
--
Terry Austin
History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
11 Aug 2007 08:18:46 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:42:16 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Nvqdnac-nseejiDbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:08:56 +0000, Charles Chapman wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not
come to call the righteous, but sinners." -- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some Christians
are attacking the show merely because the series started off with
long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the lead
character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking, perhaps
alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys punching random men in the face
when she is not having sexual intercourse with them, and her primary,
although far from exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous
affair with a married man for which she has yet to feel any guilt,
remorse, or moral responsibility.
So you're saying the show is nothing but an hour of slanderous attacks
on atheists?
No, he's not saying that, and it isn't that. Though you will be
incapable of seeing anything but that.
I would think Christians would enjoy watching people who don't believe
in their god toy be slandered...
You have a *lot* in common with those hateful theists, you know. More
than you'll ever admit, especially to yourself.
Blah, blah, blah.
You're a tedious little man...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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| User: "No 33 Secretary" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
11 Aug 2007 01:22:21 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:g8ydnY78tIOrKiDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:42:16 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Nvqdnac-nseejiDbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:08:56 +0000, Charles Chapman wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I
have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." -- Mark
2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some
Christians are attacking the show merely because the series
started off with long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex
scene, the lead character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is
a hard drinking, perhaps alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys
punching random men in the face when she is not having sexual
intercourse with them, and her primary, although far from
exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous affair with a
married man for which she has yet to feel any guilt, remorse,
or moral responsibility.
So you're saying the show is nothing but an hour of slanderous
attacks on atheists?
No, he's not saying that, and it isn't that. Though you will be
incapable of seeing anything but that.
I would think Christians would enjoy watching people who don't
believe in their god toy be slandered...
You have a *lot* in common with those hateful theists, you
know. More than you'll ever admit, especially to yourself.
Blah, blah, blah.
You're a tedious little man...
And I'm right, and you know it, and have admitted it.
--
"If he does that ***** again I'm going to tie his ***** hairs together
and kick him in the shin."
Terry Austin
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
11 Aug 2007 07:08:11 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:21 +0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:g8ydnY78tIOrKiDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:42:16 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Nvqdnac-nseejiDbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:08:56 +0000, Charles Chapman wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not
come to call the righteous, but sinners." -- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some
Christians are attacking the show merely because the series started
off with long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the
lead character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking,
perhaps alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys punching random men in
the face when she is not having sexual intercourse with them, and
her primary, although far from exclusive, sexual relationship is an
adulterous affair with a married man for which she has yet to feel
any guilt, remorse, or moral responsibility.
So you're saying the show is nothing but an hour of slanderous
attacks on atheists?
No, he's not saying that, and it isn't that. Though you will be
incapable of seeing anything but that.
I would think Christians would enjoy watching people who don't
believe in their god toy be slandered...
You have a *lot* in common with those hateful theists, you know. More
than you'll ever admit, especially to yourself.
Blah, blah, blah.
You're a tedious little man...
And I'm right, and you know it, and have admitted it.
Whatever helps you sleep at night Skippy...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
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| User: "Terry Austin" |
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| Title: Re: One Christian's Defense of the TNT Show Saving Grace |
11 Aug 2007 10:55:11 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:MJednTvUq7L20iPbnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:22:21 +0000, No 33 Secretary wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:g8ydnY78tIOrKiDbnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:42:16 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Nvqdnac-nseejiDbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@giganews.com:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:08:56 +0000, Charles Chapman wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have
not come to call the righteous, but sinners." -- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some
Christians are attacking the show merely because the series
started off with long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex
scene, the lead character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a
hard drinking, perhaps alcoholic, devout atheist who enjoys
punching random men in the face when she is not having sexual
intercourse with them, and her primary, although far from
exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous affair with a
married man for which she has yet to feel any guilt, remorse, or
moral responsibility.
So you're saying the show is nothing but an hour of slanderous
attacks on atheists?
No, he's not saying that, and it isn't that. Though you will be
incapable of seeing anything but that.
I would think Christians would enjoy watching people who don't
believe in their god toy be slandered...
You have a *lot* in common with those hateful theists, you know.
More than you'll ever admit, especially to yourself.
Blah, blah, blah.
You're a tedious little man...
And I'm right, and you know it, and have admitted it.
Whatever helps you sleep at night Skippy...
I sleep quite well at night, Winky. You think of me all night.
--
Terry Austin
History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark.
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| User: "stoney" |
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18 Aug 2007 02:36:04 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:08:56 -0000, Charles Chapman
<CharlesRCBlog@gmail.com> wrote:
http://theisoughtsolution.blogspot.com
"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not
come to call the righteous, but sinners."
-- Mark 2:17
Over at the TNT Saving Grace message board, I see that some Christians
are attacking the show merely because the series started off with
long, graphic, and athletically vigorous sex scene, the lead
character, Grace (played by Holly Hunter), is a hard drinking, perhaps
alcoholic, devout atheist
Gee, there's that vaunted 'christian honesty,' 'love,' 'compassion,'
and font of 'education,' again. You folks are so flipping dishonest
and cowardly its mindbending. Someone doesn't believe in any of the
bronze age superstitious ***** and it is *so* threatening you've
got to come up with rubbish to make yourselves feel better. How
toddlerish, and sad.
who enjoys punching random men in the face
when she is not having sexual intercourse with them, and her primary,
although far from exclusive, sexual relationship is an adulterous
affair with a married man for which she has yet to feel any guilt,
remorse, or moral responsibility.
More assinine projection and false witness by a christian.
I'm not surprised by the attacks on
the show. I am disappointed. I believe the attacks are misguided, and
do not serve the Lord's purpose. Which is my perhaps pretentious and
egotistical way of saying that the show does far more good than harm.
Moron! According to *your* bronze age superstition and its natterings
*everything* that happens is 'God Swill!'®
[snip the rest of the demented droolings]
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