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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Truth Hunter"
Date:	27 Aug 2005 07:49:00 PM
Object:	ONE GOD OR TWO ?

ONE GOD OR TWO ?
While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods
There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?
Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation fro=ADm his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
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User: "I dont believe in atheists"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	30 Aug 2005 11:10:33 PM

"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125190140.908317.85140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
ONE GOD OR TWO ?
While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods
There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?
Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org
Bumper Sticker
DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
You militant atheists pretty much all work from the same script.
Although viewing yourselves as "free thinkers", you all have a Party Line
you follow rather closely.
It isn't difficult to anticipate your arguments on any
given point. Most intelligent religious individuals almost always can
correctly predict what
you'll say next.Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs
about "Christianity" from liberal Christians.
They'll pejoratively label all Christians as "Fundies",
then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
they suppose us "Fundies" subscribe to !
Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
religion of Scientism. Their priests wear white lab
coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
the telescope, and the test tube. Blasphemy is to
deny the ultimate authority of science.
But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
demons ...who believe more firmly in God's existence
than do Christians !
It can unequivocally be stated that militant atheists are some
of the people who most solidly believe in God !
Ain't talking 'practical atheists' here ...those who don't
even think much about atheism. They're the true
atheists.
Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves
to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him.
They're the God-haters.
To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate
something we don't believe in ?'.
Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to
relentlessly attack Him.
Run of the mill, everyday 'practical atheists' don't
give God a second thought. They're the ones
I worry about.
Whereas militant atheists are fighting against the
innate knowledge of suppressed in their hearts.
As a militant atheist I can unequivocally state that there is no time in
your life that you
totally disbelieved in God. And -in fact- were driven to
work against the Lord by belief in Him !
It isn't that militant atheists don't believe God exists.
Instead: That they don't want God to exist.
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User: "Andy"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	31 Aug 2005 01:48:24 AM

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"Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org

Bumper Sticker

DIVINE INSANITY
God killed himself on the cross to save his own creation from his own
wrath!(Author unknown)
You militant atheists pretty much all work from the same script.
Although viewing yourselves as "free thinkers", you all have a Party Line
you follow rather closely.
It isn't difficult to anticipate your arguments on any
given point. Most intelligent religious individuals almost always can
correctly predict what
you'll say next.Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs
about "Christianity" from liberal Christians.
They'll pejoratively label all Christians as "Fundies",
then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
they suppose us "Fundies" subscribe to !
Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
religion of Scientism. Their priests wear white lab
coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
the telescope, and the test tube. Blasphemy is to
deny the ultimate authority of science.
But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
demons ...who believe more firmly in God's existence
than do Christians !
It can unequivocally be stated that militant atheists are some
of the people who most solidly believe in God !
Ain't talking 'practical atheists' here ...those who don't
even think much about atheism. They're the true
atheists.
Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves
to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him.
They're the God-haters.
To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate
something we don't believe in ?'.
Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to
relentlessly attack Him.
Run of the mill, everyday 'practical atheists' don't
give God a second thought. They're the ones
I worry about.
Whereas militant atheists are fighting against the
innate knowledge of suppressed in their hearts.
As a militant atheist I can unequivocally state that there is no time in
your life that you
totally disbelieved in God. And -in fact- were driven to
work against the Lord by belief in Him !
It isn't that militant atheists don't believe God exists.
Instead: That they don't want God to exist.

No body told you yet that Jesus was a son of God ? Even he called God as a
father.
.

User: "WCB"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	31 Aug 2005 08:47:35 AM

I don't believe in atheists wrote:

Its called truth and reality.

Although viewing yourselves as "free thinkers", you all have a Party Line
you follow rather closely.

Truth and reality. Again.

It isn't difficult to anticipate your arguments on any
given point.

More truth and more reality.

Most intelligent religious individuals almost always can
correctly predict what
you'll say next.Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs
about "Christianity" from liberal Christians.

Bwahahahahahah! Wrong.

They'll pejoratively label all Christians as "Fundies",
then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
they suppose us "Fundies" subscribe to !

Nom we attack your stupidities.

Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
religion of Scientism. Their priests wear white lab
coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
the telescope, and the test tube. Blasphemy is to
deny the ultimate authority of science.
But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
demons ...who believe more firmly in God's existence
than do Christians !

Rant and rave...

It can unequivocally be stated that militant atheists are some
of the people who most solidly believe in God !
Ain't talking 'practical atheists' here ...those who don't
even think much about atheism. They're the true
atheists.
Professional atheists who've dedicated themselves
to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him.

Spit and slobber, ranter!

They're the God-haters.
To which they'll invariably reply: 'How can we hate
something we don't believe in ?'.

I bet you hate Darth Vader...

Exactly ! It's their belief in God which drives them to
relentlessly attack Him.

We don't attack god, just the pathetic and false
billy goat herder concepts of this pathetic god
you rant and rave about.

Run of the mill, everyday 'practical atheists' don't
give God a second thought. They're the ones
I worry about.
Whereas militant atheists are fighting against the
innate knowledge of suppressed in their hearts.

We fight against your dangerous superstitions.

As a militant atheist I can unequivocally state that there is no time in
your life that you
totally disbelieved in God.

Bwahahahah! More ranting.

And -in fact- were driven to
work against the Lord by belief in Him !
It isn't that militant atheists don't believe God exists.
Instead: That they don't want God to exist.

**************************************************
God disproven #1 Short Version
W.C. Barwell 3-9-05
**************************************************
By god here, I mean the Grand God of Grand Theology,
the god that is perfect, omnipotent, omniscient,
omnibenevolent. The god that is defined as the most
powerful thing that can be imagined, the creator of
all. This god is defined as being intelligent, having
conciousness, and will. I mean this in the general
overall sense that the word god means dogmatically to
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
1. Can god do the impossible, create a square circle or
a 4 sided triangle?
2. That really asks the question, does god create the
rules, the laws, the logic of the Universe at large?
And thus can change them at a whim, or for a reason?

3. Since god is supposedly omnipotent, let us try
answering yes.
4. If yes, god could easily create a world where man has
free will yet freely chooses only to do moral good.

5. But in this world we see that man often does moral
evil.

6. If god could create such a word since he creates the
Universe's rules, and does not do so, god is effectively
the creator of all evil, past, present and future.
Evil exists only because god allows it to when he could
easily end all evil by creating a Universe where indeed
man has free will and yet freely chooses only to do
moral good.

7. Thus god is the author and sustaining cause of all
evil and is himself evil, that is omni-malevolent,
rather than as claimed, omni-benevolent.

8. Since dogmatically, god is supposedly omni-benevolent
rather than omni-malevolent, this is obviously not
acceptable. Allowing god to make the rules makes
him overtly evil.
9. God therefore does not make the rules, the laws or
the logic of the Universe.
10. God is said to be the most powerful thing that can
be imagined, the greatest thing that can exist.
But if god does not make the laws and rules and logic
of the Universe, and cannot change them at whim,
then the Universe with its rules and laws and logic
are more powerful than god, and this dogmatic claim
is obviously not true.
11. This claim is used as a basis of ontological claims
such as Anselm's ontological proof and these type of
ontological proofs are all thus falsified.
12. God is supposedly omnipotent. But if he is limited
by the Universe with its rules and laws and logic,
obviously he is not omnipotent at all. This dogmatic
claim cannot be saved unless you accept a god that
is omni-malevolent as a basic dogma.
13. God is dogmatically claimed to have been the creator
of the Universe, of all that is. But if god does not
make the laws and rules and logic of the Universe,
they must be beyond him, outside him, and must either
preceed him or parallel god's existance, he cannot
have created it thusly, so the dogma that god created
all is false also.
14. One dodge here might be to claim god created the
Universe in the manner that limits him, but god,
being omniscient, superintelligent and omnibenevolent
would have known that by creating such a Universe, he
was creating a Universe tht contained evil only because
he chose to create a limited Universe, so we are back
to claiming god is omni-malevolent. Thus such a dodge
fails.
15. The idea of a perfect omni-everything god preceeds
Christianity, Epicurus noted the problem of evil
in 250 BCE. If the gods are omnibenevolent and omnipotent,
yet evil exists. The gods either cannot or will not end
evil thus must be either not omnibenevolent or
omnipotent or possible neither.
16. Yet over 2,500 years, the theological methodolgy
used to erect the hypothetical Grand God of Grand
Theology which is now dogmatic in all major religous
traditions has failed to see this god as shown above,
cannot exist as claimed.
17. Thus not only is god as so defined an impossible
and failed hypothesis, the theology methodology
used to create such a hypothetical god is a failed
methodology and its basic method, making overarching
assertions without evidence is a failed methodology.
18. What are the laws and the rules and the logic of
the Universe? And what can we say about them?

19. As far as can be noted, we do have good, basic
understandings of the laws of the Universe. Things
are made up of matter and energy, operating in a
framework of time, and dimensions, with rules known
by science, phsycs, chemistry, astronomy and other
sciences.
20. There is no room in these laws and rules of
the Universe for disembodied gods or entities
that have will and who act. Thinking beings
are made of matter and energy and subject to rules
of chemistry and physics.
21. If theology wishes to claim otherwise, theology
bears the burden of demonstrating with hard evidence
that a god or other supernatural entity can exist.
And very much has a burden to prove that the Grand
God of theological tradition has actual and real
existance.

23. The failed theological methodology of making
unsupported assertions and deriving subclaims
is not an acceptable method for doing theology,
since as demonstrated above, that has proven to
be a total failure as a methodology.
(END)
--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "V S Rawat"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	31 Aug 2005 02:19:44 PM

On 8/31/05 9:40 AM India Time, _I don't believe in atheists_
wrote:

Jesus never said he himself is God.
Jesus was the son of God.
.

User: "AnonMoos"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 12:22:16 AM

Hey Abu Truthhunter, I'm desolated that you've never yet looked at the
Arabic-language "Shield of the Trinity" diagram, which I translated
just for you!
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User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 08:14:28 PM

On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

:
It's *at least* four.
1) God the Father.
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
4) Satan, the most powerful of all, as he continually out-wits and
confounds the other 3 put together.
.

User: "Joshua Calvert"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 11:58:58 PM

Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:so32h1l55t9i99vj6empoc3jkdqejv7p7u@4ax.com:

On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

:

It's *at least* four.

1) God the Father.
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
4) Satan, the most powerful of all, as he continually out-wits and
confounds the other 3 put together.

You left out Mary.
.

User: "Mary Wallker"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 03:44:34 AM

"Joshua Calvert" <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96BFDF9EE6BF8joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6...

Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
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On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

:

It's *at least* four.

1) God the Father.
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
4) Satan, the most powerful of all, as he continually out-wits and
confounds the other 3 put together.

You left out Mary.

I'm no god. And I'm certainly no virgin.
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 04:18:07 AM

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:44:34 +0100, "Mary Wallker" <mary@mary.com>
wrote:

"Joshua Calvert" <joshua_l_calvert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96BFDF9EE6BF8joshualcalverthotmai@68.6.19.6...

Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in
news:so32h1l55t9i99vj6empoc3jkdqejv7p7u@4ax.com:

On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

:

It's *at least* four.

1) God the Father.
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
4) Satan, the most powerful of all, as he continually out-wits and
confounds the other 3 put together.

You left out Mary.

I'm no god. And I'm certainly no virgin.

Good. And good.
.

User: "Witziges Rätsel"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 07:28:58 AM

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

It's *at least* four.

1) God the Father.
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
4) Satan, the most powerful of all, as he continually out-wits and
confounds the other 3 put together.

You left out Mary.

But she'd be a goddess, right? Is a goddess a god? What
about angels and imps?
.

User: "Sunny"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 05:38:31 PM

"Witziges Rätsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
news:9b430$4311ad7d$41e50fa4$5001@DIALUPUSA.NET...
<snip>

You left out Mary.

But she'd be a goddess, right? Is a goddess a god? What
about angels and imps?

Part questionaire :
2. Which model deity did you acquire?
__ Yahweh
__ Father, Son & Holy Ghost [Trinity Pak]
__ Jehovah
__ Jesus
__ Krishna
__ Zeus and entourage [Olympus Pak]
__ Odin and entourage [Valhalla Pak]
__ Allah and Muhamad (Muslim Pak)
__ Satan
__ Celtic (Lunatic Pak)
__ Gaia/Mother Earth/Mother Nature
__ Pick from alternate list :
Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Rhea, Saturn, Set,
Selene, Shango, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, Oh, and Lint® the Laundry God...
__ None of the above, I was taken in by a false god
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User: "David H."
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	29 Aug 2005 03:29:11 PM

"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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"Witziges Rdtsel" <zer@roer.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

You left out Mary.

But she'd be a goddess, right? Is a goddess a god? What
about angels and imps?

Part questionaire :
2. Which model deity did you acquire?
__ Yahweh
__ Father, Son & Holy Ghost [Trinity Pak]
__ Jehovah
__ Jesus
__ Krishna
__ Zeus and entourage [Olympus Pak]
__ Odin and entourage [Valhalla Pak]
__ Allah and Muhamad (Muslim Pak)
__ Satan
__ Celtic (Lunatic Pak)
__ Gaia/Mother Earth/Mother Nature
__ Pick from alternate list :
Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Rhea, Saturn, Set,
Selene, Shango, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, Oh, and Lint. the Laundry
God...

__ None of the above, I was taken in by a false god

Geez! It's like trying to find a video card driver.
.

User: "Darrell Stec"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 03:50:25 PM

After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 28 August 2005 8:28 am
zer@roer.com wrote:

It's *at least* four.

1) God the Father.
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
4) Satan, the most powerful of all, as he continually out-wits and
confounds the other 3 put together.

You left out Mary.

But she'd be a goddess, right? Is a goddess a god? What
about angels and imps?

All the former gods of the polytheistic Hebrews were downsized into angels
as evidenced by the occasional Elohim (gods), usually redacted to god,
translated as angels. Imps on the otherhand are often minor dieties.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec

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http://webpagesorcery.com
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User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 06:56:20 AM

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:44:28 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

:

It's *at least* four.

1) God the Father.
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
4) Satan, the most powerful of all, as he continually out-wits and
confounds the other 3 put together.

What about Mary with the Cherry? Is she a god(dess) too?
.

User: "Eric Brze"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 03:37:39 AM

On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

Jesus died on the cross as the son of man and resurrected later as the
Son of God. God did not/could not die on the cross. Therefore, Jesus
was talking to God as any other human being while on the cross.

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User: "Mary Wallker"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 03:52:36 AM

"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

If so Jesus (as the man) must have already possessed some supernatural
powers else he wouldn't have been able to walk on water, heal leapars etc.
Presumably he was a sort of trainee god. Therefore the original post still
stands - we are dealing with 2 Gods here. Jews believe in the daddy God
but do not acknowledge Christ as his son. And it's strainge how a Jewish
extremist "knows" he's right - but at the same time a Christian extremist
"knows" he's right.
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User: "Eric Brze"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 07:14:48 AM

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:52:36 +0100, "Mary Wallker" <mary@mary.com>
wrote:

"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter"
<hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

While on the Cross Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not
what they do." To whom was he speaking? Christians say, "God." But
I thought he was God. How can God speak to God if there is only one
god?
That's two gods

There is only one God, right? So if Jesus was God (as many Christians
claim), then was he talking to himself on the cross? Was he, perhaps, a
bit loopy after being beaten and tortured?

Since Jesus is God he sould have been able to forgiven them himself
rather than ask his father for it.

If so Jesus (as the man) must have already possessed some supernatural
powers else he wouldn't have been able to walk on water, heal leapars etc.

That's not supernatural power of Jesus. That's the power of God
through Jesus which enabled Jesus to accomplish those feats.

Presumably he was a sort of trainee god.

There is no such thing as a trainee god.
Therefore the original post still

stands - we are dealing with 2 Gods here.

Nope, there is only one God in all people.
Jews believe in the daddy God

but do not acknowledge Christ as his son.

That's because they are lost in their old, outdated, and mistaken
religion.
And it's strainge how a Jewish

extremist "knows" he's right - but at the same time a Christian extremist
"knows" he's right.

Jesus Christ was never an extremist, on the contrary, he was crucified
by those extremists.
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User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	29 Aug 2005 07:09:48 AM

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:14:48 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:

If so Jesus (as the man) must have already possessed some supernatural
powers else he wouldn't have been able to walk on water, heal leapars etc.

That's not supernatural power of Jesus. That's the power of God
through Jesus which enabled Jesus to accomplish those feats.

However, as jesus = god = pigeon = jesus = pigeon = god ==> the
supernatural power of god = the supernatural power of jesus

Presumably he was a sort of trainee god.

There is no such thing as a trainee god.

Says who?

Therefore the original post still

stands - we are dealing with 2 Gods here.

Nope, there is only one God in all people.

As daddy knows things sonny doesn't - never mind the pigeon - at least
3 gods.

Jews believe in the daddy God

but do not acknowledge Christ as his son.

That's because they are lost in their old, outdated, and mistaken
religion.

Lookie here, sonny: your religion pretends not to have changed of the
last 2000 years. Wash your mouth with soap.

And it's strainge how a Jewish

extremist "knows" he's right - but at the same time a Christian extremist
"knows" he's right.

Jesus Christ was never an extremist, on the contrary, he was crucified
by those extremists.

Me thinks a bloke that turns over market stables for no apparent
reason, thus starting a MASSIVE riot, is most certainly an extremist.
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User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 07:05:26 PM

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 04:37:39 -0400, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com>
wrote:

rather than ask his father for it.

Thus, this bloke jesus wasn't a god at all. Thanks, never expected
something like you to say that.
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 04:21:17 PM

On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

No dummy. He said "forgive them Father." He is the Son and then there is the
Holy Spirit. One God, 3 presentations.
At least try to get the facts straight. You typically make such a fool of
yourself.
duke
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User: "DanielSan"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	28 Aug 2005 04:46:10 PM

duke wrote:

On 27 Aug 2005 17:49:00 -0700, "Truth Hunter" <hunter1234222@yahoo.com> wrote:

ONE GOD OR TWO ?

No dummy. He said "forgive them Father." He is the Son and then there is the
Holy Spirit. One God, 3 presentations.

So, he was speaking to himself? "Forgive them, me?"

At least try to get the facts straight. You typically make such a fool of
yourself.

Facts? Since when did facts enter the picture here?
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User: "Uncle Vic"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 09:43:23 PM

Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Truth Hunter (hunter1234222
@yahoo.com) made the light shine upon us with this:

That's two gods!
Two gods!
Two gods in one!
OK, I'm showing my age...
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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User: "AnonMoos"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	31 Aug 2005 08:45:43 PM

P.S. If you're actually interested in truth (instead of merely being
a shallow sneerer and jeerer), then look up "Kenosis", Abu Truthhunter.
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User: "1MAN4ALL"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	31 Aug 2005 11:45:18 PM

AnonMoos wrote:

P.S. If you're actually interested in truth (instead of merely being
a shallow sneerer and jeerer), then look up "Kenosis", Abu Truthhunter.

Here is a link:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08617a.htm
I doubt if this would satisfy "Truth Hunter" or any non-Christian.
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User: "666"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 09:31:36 PM

There is only ONE GOD - GOD is Jesus is Holy Spirit!
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User: "AcesLucky"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 11:01:59 PM

666 wrote:

There is only ONE GOD - GOD is Jesus is Holy Spirit!

Excuse me Mr. 666
I've asked in various Christian groups, who's Satan's mother?
I've never gotten a reply. So I hope you don't mind my asking you,
seeing as that your namesake draws a resemblance.
Who is She?
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 11:31:07 PM

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:01:59 -0700, AcesLucky <AcesLucky@netscape.net>
wrote:

666 wrote:

There is only ONE GOD - GOD is Jesus is Holy Spirit!

Excuse me Mr. 666

I've asked in various Christian groups, who's Satan's mother?

I've never gotten a reply. So I hope you don't mind my asking you,
seeing as that your namesake draws a resemblance.

Who is She?

Barbara Bush.
.

User: "Uncle Vic"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 11:11:13 PM

Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet AcesLucky
(AcesLucky@netscape.net) made the light shine upon us with this:

666 wrote:

There is only ONE GOD - GOD is Jesus is Holy Spirit!

Excuse me Mr. 666

I've asked in various Christian groups, who's Satan's mother?

I've never gotten a reply. So I hope you don't mind my asking you,
seeing as that your namesake draws a resemblance.

Who is She?

Brittany Spears.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
.

User: "Dave Lister"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 11:59:55 PM

Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote in news:Xns96BFD79E741BBvicman@
216.196.97.136:

Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet AcesLucky
(AcesLucky@netscape.net) made the light shine upon us with this:

666 wrote:

There is only ONE GOD - GOD is Jesus is Holy Spirit!

Excuse me Mr. 666

I've asked in various Christian groups, who's Satan's mother?

I've never gotten a reply. So I hope you don't mind my asking you,
seeing as that your namesake draws a resemblance.

Who is She?

Brittany Spears.

Nah, Paris Hilton.
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Guantanamo: The Gulag of Our Time
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User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: ONE GOD OR TWO ?	27 Aug 2005 10:53:42 PM

On 27 Aug 2005 19:31:36 -0700, "666" <taphin@ntu.edu.sg> wrote:

There is only ONE GOD - GOD is Jesus is Holy Spirit!

Is that holy spirit 100 proof?
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