"Yang" <eacmole@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f347f70.8554031@news.cox.net...
| On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 04:17:33 GMT, "David Haapala"
| <dhaapala@houston.removethis.rr.com> wrote:
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| > With all things considered, putting aside your feelings for *****
| >xians like Bush, do you REALLY feel we are wrong in this war against
these
| >Islamic assholes?
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| If you can demonstrate that Iraq is connected to Al Qaeda, then I will
| support the war 100%, but it does not.
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| "CIA debunked claims of link beteen Al Qaeda and Saddam"
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=14&u=/030616/7/4esz6.html
| http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030723-6.html#3
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| >Do you REALLY think the threat to our country lies with
| >our government rather than with the middle east, including Saudi Arabia?
| > I ask only for thoughtful consideration.
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| What does the invasion of Iraq have anything to do with Saudi Arabia?
|

With the bases established in Qatar, and the obvious democratic moves
the "Sultan" of Qatar has made, the main base of western military power is
moving OUT of Saudi Arabia and into Qatar.

With the invasion of Iraq, and the western determinism to have Iraq
become a country where the people of Iraq benefit from it's oil wealth, (
along with the U.S.) and the recent moves of Iran to show interest in
becoming more of a democracy than a Theocracy, AND the recent terroristic
efforts of religious nuts of islam WITHIN the Saudi government, (Which they
thought "It will never happen to us!")

Gee, I just can't think of how the Iraqi invasion fucked over the
Saudi's...

"Patriotboy" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote

Rumsfeld met with Saddam a couple of years earlier.
Does that mean Saddam has ties to the Republican
Party?

It means that he had links to the US government. Duh!

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/alqaeda_iraq020927.html
"The U.S. believes Iraq has had contact with al Qaeda," I said, "Do you
know that to be a fact?"

"Baghdad Bob" <not@home.com> dishonestly wrote:

If you can demonstrate that Iraq is connected to Al Qaeda, then I will
support the war 100%, but it does not.

If you possessed an iota of honesty,

He does. You don't. I'll demonstrate:

The "Al Qaida connection," or so this story claims, is a group called
Ansar al-Islam. They're an Iranian-backed anti-Saddam group with no
connection to Saddam Hussein.

Then again, we wouldn't expect an Iranian-backed revolutionary group
that was actively trying to topple Saddam to be allied with Saddam.

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030210fa_fact

This one establishes beyond any doubt that the administration
actively & openly made false connections between Iraq and Al Qaida.

http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/al-queda-iraq-connection.html

Same here. It further establishes that the administration did -- in no
uncertain terms -- makes false claims regarding imagined links
between Iraq and Al Qaida.

How do we know those links are imagined, pure propaganda from
an administration bent on war for oil?

Because the "Al Qaida" operatives in Iraq are anti-Saddam,
pro-Iranian militants who have been actively fighting to overthrow
the government of Saddam Hussein for years.

We know for a fact that Saddam wasn't helping these people. We
no for a fact that Saddam was giving them money & weapons so
they could better combat his own authority. We know that the
administration lied to us when it pretended that these Iranian
terrorists was Iraqi-backed Al Qaida operatives.

This one claims the the "Proof" that the Bush administration had
been desperately searching for was found by a newspaper
reporter. Why a newspaper reporter was given access to the
headquarters of Iraqi intelligence, and why the military and U.S.
intelligence had missed it, is a mystery I care not to explore.

It's interesting to note that the "Proof" is five years old, with
nothing more recent to go by than the "Al Qaida" linked Ansar al-Islam,
who were trying to over throw Saddam.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5571

Once again: Ansar al-Islam is an anti-Saddam militant group that
had been actively fighting to over throw Saddam's government
for many years. They are an Iranian group -- Iranian backed and
funded -- who were allowed to take refuge in Iran whenever Iraqi
or the later U.S. forces threatened to destroy them.

JTEM wrote:

"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
[---snip---]

Cites?

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/alqaeda_iraq020927.html

"The U.S. believes Iraq has had contact with al Qaeda," I said, "Do you
know that to be a fact?"

"Yes. In '92, elements of al Qaeda came to Baghdad and met with Saddam
Hussein and among them was Dr. Al-Zawahiri."

Ayman Al-Zawahiri, you may recall, has been identified as a top
lieutenant of bin Laden's, and is widely thought to be a mastermind of
the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

"There is a relationship between the governments of al Qaeda and the
Iraqi government," he continued. "It began after the events of Kuwait
approximately. That is when the relationship developed and many
delegations came to Baghdad. There are elements of al Qaeda training on
suicide operations, assassinations, explosions, and the making of
chemical substances, and they are supervised by a number of officers,
experts from the Iraqi intelligence, the Explosives Division, the
Assassinations Division, different specialties."