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"Brian Westley" |
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22 Apr 2005 10:50:05 AM |
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"one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: "one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
22 Apr 2005 11:02:37 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:116i79d1e898i33@corp.supernews.com...
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
She didn't take it out - she just reworded it.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Bride of Satan
#1557
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| User: "Add 3 Inches To Your Clayton In Just 5 Days" |
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| Title: Re: "one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
22 Apr 2005 05:36:59 PM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:116i79d1e898i33@corp.supernews.com...
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
That says it all in a nutshell doesn't it!
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: "one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
22 Apr 2005 12:43:36 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
"This is a Christian country", she continued. "Those who want to remove God
from the Pledge of Allegiance should be shot as traitors."
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: "one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
22 Apr 2005 02:48:41 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message
news:426937C8.4899636C@serv.net...
Brian Westley wrote:
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
"This is a Christian country", she continued. "Those who want to remove
God
from the Pledge of Allegiance should be shot as traitors."
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What do our good old xians do as a first resort, start shouting we should
start killing someone and start calling them traitors for good measure.
Sound about normal for xians to me. Maybe she should be charged with a hate
crime? Seems she was doing a fair job of hatefulness to me.
Should have clipped the "under god" part altogether. Simply go back to the
original.
Later Larry
aa# 2216
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: "one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
22 Apr 2005 04:56:11 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:43:36 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
"This is a Christian country", she continued. "Those who want to remove God
from the Pledge of Allegiance should be shot as traitors."
In the name of love of course.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: "one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
22 Apr 2005 03:21:00 PM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
How anyone can claim that it is a generic "God" is beyond me
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: "one nation, under your belief system" raises xian ire |
24 Apr 2005 02:45:55 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:21:00 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
How anyone can claim that it is a generic "God" is beyond me
Easy. Lie your ***** off.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Ash" |
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25 Apr 2005 05:10:21 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:21:00 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
How anyone can claim that it is a generic "God" is beyond me
Easy. Lie your ***** off.
Good point. How they can expect that people will believe them is still
beyond me though
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Apr 2005 03:42:30 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:10:21 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:21:00 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Brian Westley wrote:
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
An edited version of the Pledge of Allegiance has raised a controversy
at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge.
Eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, filling in for absent principal
Kathleen Norton, changed a portion of the Pledge from "one nation under
God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the public-
address system Wednesday morning.
Lucero's apparent attempt to be more inclusive met with some rancor.
Vincent Pulciani-Johnson, a seventh-grader, told his parents, who took
it up with the school.
"He was confused," said his mother, Christina. "He said, 'I just
couldn't understand what she was saying. I don't know why she did it."'
Christina Pulciani-Johnson talked to Norton and Lucero. She said Norton
was apologetic but Lucero wasn't.
"She said, 'Yes, I said that because I believe that there should be
separation between church and school. I believe that everybody should
have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'
"Obviously, I was pretty upset by the way she was acting,"
Pulciani-Johnson said. "I made it very clear that I was a Christian and
I didn't appreciate the fact that she had taken that out."
How anyone can claim that it is a generic "God" is beyond me
Easy. Lie your ***** off.
Good point. How they can expect that people will believe them is still
beyond me though
Why, they're Christians and bearing false witness is forbidden.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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22 Apr 2005 09:18:58 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:50:05 -0000 the ET form known as Brian
Westley<westley@visi.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Hey, what's the point of having a pledge if it isn't
exclusive of some people, right?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2829903,00.html
"God"-less Pledge stirs Jeffco school backlash
Why have a pledge? I never said a school pledge in all my school life.
There was no such thing. Why have every single kid in the country
swearing allegiance. I would go further than just dropping the god
part. I would drop the whole thing.
--
rot13
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
-Mencken
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