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26 Aug 2003 12:56:24 AM |
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One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
It's II Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness"
And the way we know II Timothy 3:16 is "a scripture given by inspiration of
God," is because it says so, right there in the Bible. What more proof do
you want? They couldn't print it if it wasn't true . . . I guess so,
anyway . . .
--Tock
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
26 Aug 2003 01:09:07 PM |
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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: And the way we know II Timothy 3:16 is "a scripture given by inspiration
of
: God," is because it says so, right there in the Bible.
** So you see THAT as proof? There's a woman down in town who SAYS she's
Jesus Christ. Does that make it true?
What more proof do
: you want? They couldn't print it if it wasn't true . . .
** Who took a time machine back to biblical days to make sure it was all
true? You know, the talking snakes and donkeys, the pregnant virgins
........ :-)
I guess so,
: anyway . . .
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Fuzzy Won......
Just more loving kindness from God...
"Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and
sons shall eat their fathers...I will send famine and wild beasts
against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and
blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I,
the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17
<> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~
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26 Aug 2003 01:29:27 PM |
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"BuddaRootie" <no-door-knockers@myhome.edu> wrote in message
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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: And the way we know II Timothy 3:16 is "a scripture given by inspiration
of
: God," is because it says so, right there in the Bible.
** So you see THAT as proof? There's a woman down in town who SAYS she's
Jesus Christ. Does that make it true?
What more proof do
: you want? They couldn't print it if it wasn't true . . .
** Who took a time machine back to biblical days to make sure it was all
true? You know, the talking snakes and donkeys, the pregnant virgins
....... :-)
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Huh . . .
I guess satire doesn't work too well on Usenet, eh?
I suppose there are people crazy enough to reason like that, though.
*sigh*
Oh well . . .
--Tock
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
26 Aug 2003 01:00:25 PM |
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"BuddaRootie" <no-door-knockers@myhome.edu> wrote in message
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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: And the way we know II Timothy 3:16 is "a scripture given by inspiration
of
: God," is because it says so, right there in the Bible.
** So you see THAT as proof? There's a woman down in town who SAYS she's
Jesus Christ. Does that make it true?
What more proof do
: you want? They couldn't print it if it wasn't true . . .
** Who took a time machine back to biblical days to make sure it was all
true? You know, the talking snakes and donkeys, the pregnant virgins
....... :-)
Not to defend the OP really, but I have to ask. You are usually the last
person to "get" the joke in your circle of friends, aren't you?
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| User: "De Zoolz" |
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27 Aug 2003 02:55:26 AM |
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"Chain Smoker" <joe@noname.com> wrote in message
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: Not to defend the OP really, but I have to ask. You are usually the last
: person to "get" the joke in your circle of friends, aren't you?
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Nope! :0)
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Ms Zool.....
~* w89 9/15 p. 23 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ~*
independent thinking does not prevail in God's organization, and we have
sound reasons for confidence in the men taking the lead among us.
NO INDEPENDENT THINKING ALLOWED.
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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27 Aug 2003 11:40:46 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:09:07 -0500, BuddaRootie wrote
(in message <xuL2b.796$xD2.231@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>):
From: "BuddaRootie" <no-door-knockers@myhome.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible,
alt.atheism
<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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And the way we know II Timothy 3:16 is "a scripture given by inspiration
of
God," is because it says so, right there in the Bible.
** So you see THAT as proof? There's a woman down in town who SAYS she's
Jesus Christ. Does that make it true?
That's nothing, we have Dore posting here in alt.atheism, she claims to BE
Jesus Christ arisen, and boy is she pissed. ;-)
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"I've got a pen and I'm not afraid to use it."-Charles R Ward
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
30 Aug 2003 08:47:37 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:30:49 -0500, De Zoolz wrote
(in message <yj83b.1624$xD2.1074@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com>):
From: "De Zoolz" <Wicked-Men@theEvilWTs.net>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.talk.creationism, alt.bible,
alt.atheism
"Harry Leopold" <hleopold@cox.net> wrote in message
** So you see THAT as proof? There's a woman down in town who SAYS she's
Jesus Christ. Does that make it true? (the Zools)
That's nothing, we have Dore posting here in alt.atheism, she claims to BE
Jesus Christ arisen, and boy is she pissed. ;-)
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The poor thing! Looks like Jesus chooses to come back in all the lunatics
of the world. That's as crazy as one of the Jehovah's Witnesses on the ARJW
NG named Jabriol who now claims all his old posts were forged!!!! You
know,.... the ones he's ashamed of and that recently came back to haunt him.
The more religious a person is the more dangerous they are, or can be.
Snicker, I know, I have him in the kill-file, but in the last week or so I
have run into a number of comments to, or about, Jabriol and his current
claims. He should be ashamed of those posts.
Beware of the ghosts of posts past that come groaning and moaning in the
night. They crawl out of the grave to spread doom and gloom on those who
wrote them in haste. Not even a stake in their hearts will lay them low for
the posts of rantings past shall raise up out of the grave again tonight.
BOO!
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"A cat can have kittens in the oven, but that doesn't make them biscuits." -
Anonymous
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
26 Aug 2003 02:38:31 AM |
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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It's II Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. Criticizing God is
like complaining about Windows XP or a car that you bought. The company will
never stop selling a product, that brings them billions of dollars in
revenue.
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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26 Aug 2003 06:27:04 AM |
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"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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It's II Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. Criticizing God
is
like complaining about Windows XP or a car that you bought. The company
will
never stop selling a product, that brings them billions of dollars in
revenue.
Oh yeah? Well, I don't believe in Windows!
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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28 Aug 2003 02:34:58 AM |
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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Hmmm...yer kidding right?...
Yes
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| User: "info" |
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26 Aug 2003 12:42:08 PM |
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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It's II Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. Criticizing God
is
like complaining about Windows XP or a car that you bought. The company
will
never stop selling a product, that brings them billions of dollars in
revenue.
Oh yeah? Well, I don't believe in Windows!
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It doesn't matter what you believe, it matters what is Truth.
Jesus said, I am the Way and the Truth and the Light.
No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6
You choose, Heaven or Hell:
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell
being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many authors have
written about it, Dante's Inferno for example. Western culture is very familiar with the
concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies. Whatever the context,
whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of
hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only the grave with no consciousness.
Others say it is a place of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others say it
is an endless agonizing punishment in fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of
the favor of God.
ftp://infidel:infidel@65.127.169.45/hell.html
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
26 Aug 2003 01:00:38 PM |
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"info" <info@as-if.com> wrote:
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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It's II Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. Criticizing God
is
like complaining about Windows XP or a car that you bought. The company
will
never stop selling a product, that brings them billions of dollars in
revenue.
Oh yeah? Well, I don't believe in Windows!
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It doesn't matter what you believe, it matters what is Truth.
Jesus said, I am the Way and the Truth and the Light.
No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6
You choose, Heaven or Hell:
Hell is one of those subjects that makes people uncomfortable. We hear stories of hell
being a place of fire, demons, and endless torment. Throughout history many authors have
written about it, Dante's Inferno for example. Western culture is very familiar with the
concept. Even Hollywood has made it the subject of many movies. Whatever the context,
whatever the belief, hell is definitely taught in the Bible. But even the doctrine of
hell is not without its controversy. Some say it is only the grave with no consciousness.
Others say it is a place of correction and punishment that is not eternal. Others say it
is an endless agonizing punishment in fire. Whichever it is, hell is the total absence of
the favor of God.
The doctrine of eternal punishment in hell is a doctrine that makes the
most bloodthirsty virgin-requiring volcano god seem tame in comparison.
I refuse to believe in any god that would saddle finite beings like us
with a decision with as grave consequences as "infinite punishment or
infinite reward" based on the arbitrary notion of accepting his
existence.
Very simply, I have too much much of a sense of common decency to view
such a monstrous system as "justice". I cannot believe in such a
monster.
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John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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30 Aug 2003 05:06:17 AM |
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"Roy Mock" <roymock@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f4e8b18$0$6523$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"info" <info@as-if.com> wrote:
I refuse to believe in any god that would saddle finite beings like us
God is already a belief....an idea....a figment of somebody's
imagination.How can you believe in a belief?
I am assuming the following to see if I understood you correctly: - Any
teaching about God is based on an imagined idea that has no substance and so
therefore cannot be trusted.
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. More
customers you have, more money and power you get.
I wonder if anyone in the pure sciences will agree with that since ideas are
validated. Just because a validated proposition does not find immediate
application, it does not necessarily follow that the knowledge has no value.
Its a product that has value. Supply and demand. Religion is very good
at creating customers, and then selling a product to them.
Or, alternatively, we may conceive many ideas for an outcome, but if those
ideas are not realised it does not necessarily negate their merit nor that
there is any one true idea. E.g. My concept of an automobile may be
different from anyone else's.
But the product is the same.There are hundreds of car making companies
in the world, but they all selling a product (car) for a profit.
The problem I have with your statement, quoted above, is that the God of the
Bible is a PERSON - not an idea nor object.
nah, that is what theocracy says to justify a con game.In reality god
is a product, sold by a business of religion.
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30 Aug 2003 10:42:02 AM |
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"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Roy Mock" <roymock@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"info" <info@as-if.com> wrote:
I refuse to believe in any god that would saddle finite beings like
us
God is already a belief....an idea....a figment of somebody's
imagination.How can you believe in a belief?
[snip]
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. More
customers you have, more money and power you get.
No. God is a Person to Whom we are accountable. It's not a matter of power
but relationship.
[snip]
Its a product that has value. Supply and demand. Religion is very good
at creating customers, and then selling a product to them.
Religion is never regarded as enterprises as far as I know.
[snip]
The problem I have with your statement, quoted above, is that the God of
the
Bible is a PERSON - not an idea nor object.
nah, that is what theocracy says to justify a con game.In reality god
is a product, sold by a business of religion.
You seem to have a negative obsession with commerce and power. Describe
your ideal society without commerce?
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28 Aug 2003 12:40:27 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote on Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:55:58 +0000:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"info" <info@as-if.com> wrote:
I refuse to believe in any god that would saddle finite beings like us
God is already a belief....an idea....a figment of somebody's
imagination.How can you believe in a belief?
I believe that you believe you can't believe a belief.
Now I've said something, but I'm not sure if that says something or not.
-Chang Tzu
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30 Aug 2003 05:00:07 AM |
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"Nori Otaku" <nori_otaku@yahoo.spam> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.08.28.05.40.24.765610@noriotaku.usenet>...
Crazyalec wrote on Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:55:58 +0000:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"info" <info@as-if.com> wrote:
I refuse to believe in any god that would saddle finite beings like us
God is already a belief....an idea....a figment of somebody's
imagination.How can you believe in a belief?
I believe that you believe you can't believe a belief.
Now I've said something, but I'm not sure if that says something or not.
-Chang Tzu
Now thats sounds very sexy
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03 Sep 2003 12:08:22 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote on Sat, 30 Aug 2003 03:00:07 -0700:
"Nori Otaku" <nori_otaku@yahoo.spam> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.08.28.05.40.24.765610@noriotaku.usenet>...
Crazyalec wrote on Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:55:58 +0000:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"info" <info@as-if.com> wrote:
I refuse to believe in any god that would saddle finite beings like us
God is already a belief....an idea....a figment of somebody's
imagination.How can you believe in a belief?
I believe that you believe you can't believe a belief.
Now I've said something, but I'm not sure if that says something or not.
-Chang Tzu
Now thats sounds very sexy
Why thank you. :) Chang Tzu is a hilarious, yet insightful guy.
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| User: "cactus" |
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03 Sep 2003 01:03:07 AM |
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Wasn't Chuang Tzu a butterfly? (:-)
"Nori Otaku" <nori_otaku@yahoo.spam> wrote in message
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Crazyalec wrote on Sat, 30 Aug 2003 03:00:07 -0700:
"Nori Otaku" <nori_otaku@yahoo.spam> wrote in message
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Crazyalec wrote on Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:55:58 +0000:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"info" <info@as-if.com> wrote:
I refuse to believe in any god that would saddle finite beings like
us
God is already a belief....an idea....a figment of somebody's
imagination.How can you believe in a belief?
I believe that you believe you can't believe a belief.
Now I've said something, but I'm not sure if that says something or
not.
-Chang Tzu
Now thats sounds very sexy
Why thank you. :) Chang Tzu is a hilarious, yet insightful guy.
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28 Aug 2003 12:43:28 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote on Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:52:05 +0000:
::snip::
Oh yeah? Well, I don't believe in Windows!
How can you believe in a product, you idot. Product is to be sold for a
profit. Got nothing to do with a belief.
Actually how strongly customers "believe in" a product is measured by
marketing firms every day. Advertising is designed to make you believe
that buying product X is necessary, or will improve you or your life in
some meaningful way.
Now watch...
How stronly -parishoners- "believe in" -God- is measured by churches every
day. -Religion- is designed to make you believe that worshipping -God- X
is necessary, or will improve you or your life an some meaningful way.
Scary, eh?
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28 Aug 2003 03:08:17 AM |
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"Nori Otaku" <nori_otaku@yahoo.spam> wrote in message
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Crazyalec wrote on Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:52:05 +0000:
::snip::
Oh yeah? Well, I don't believe in Windows!
How can you believe in a product, you idot. Product is to be sold for a
profit. Got nothing to do with a belief.
Actually how strongly customers "believe in" a product is measured by
marketing firms every day. Advertising is designed to make you believe
that buying product X is necessary, or will improve you or your life in
some meaningful way.
You are talking about belief in a feature of a product, not a product
itself.
Now watch...
How stronly -parishoners- "believe in" -God- is measured by churches every
day. -Religion- is designed to make you believe that worshipping -God- X
is necessary, or will improve you or your life an some meaningful way.
"believe in god" translated to "buying a product, sold by a business."
So why "atheists" argue about a product, is beyond my fucking imagination.
Scary, eh?
Yep....'atheists' scary me.
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| User: "Eudaimonus" |
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28 Aug 2003 01:58:38 PM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
"believe in god" translated to "buying a product, sold by a business."
So why "atheists" argue about a product, is beyond my fucking imagination.
To keep with the analogy - the product being sold does not exist, and
all who "sell" the product are engaging in fraud, which is both unjust
and a positive harm to those to whom it is done.
Would you say that one should not argue against Mein Kamph because it is
a product sold by a buisness? Considered as ideology, the ideology of
Mein Kamph is unsafe as intended to be used, protrayed as other than it
is, and provides no real, as opposed to apparent, value to those who
consume it. Is that no reason to argue over the product? To not buy it
and tell others not to buy it?
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| User: "Crazyalec" |
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30 Aug 2003 05:16:24 AM |
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Eudaimonus <jwscott9@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:<3F4E50E1.2080707@insightbb.com>...
Crazyalec wrote:
"believe in god" translated to "buying a product, sold by a business."
So why "atheists" argue about a product, is beyond my fucking imagination.
To keep with the analogy - the product being sold does not exist, and
all who "sell" the product are engaging in fraud, which is both unjust
and a positive harm to those to whom it is done.
Well, that is what a con game is, isn't it?
Would you say that one should not argue against Mein Kamph because it is
a product sold by a buisness?
No. Mein Kamph is not a product.
Considered as ideology, the ideology of
Mein Kamph is unsafe as intended to be used, protrayed as other than it
is, and provides no real, as opposed to apparent, value to those who
consume it. Is that no reason to argue over the product? To not buy it
and tell others not to buy it?
No value? You are kidding, right? If Nazi's won WW2, that would be the
richest and most powerfull country in the world.
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| User: "sparkup" |
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
27 Aug 2003 09:40:09 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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It's II Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. Criticizing
God
is
like complaining about Windows XP or a car that you bought. The company
will
never stop selling a product, that brings them billions of dollars in
revenue.
Oh yeah? Well, I don't believe in Windows!
How can you believe in a product, you idot.
You can believe that Coca-Cola tastes better than Pepsi, and buy your
soft drinks accordingly.
Just because this is your belief, does this mean that Coke does taste
better than Pepsi?
Product is to be sold for a
profit. Got nothing to do with a belief.
What do you think advertising does?
Advertising instills the belief that the product is better than the
others or that it will improve your life.
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| User: "sparkup" |
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
28 Aug 2003 03:51:44 AM |
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Crazyalec wrote:
"sparkup" <junksender888@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You can believe that Coca-Cola tastes better than Pepsi, and buy your
soft drinks accordingly.
Thats belief in a feature of a product.
You dont buy a feature of the product, you buy the product.
You believe that the product will change your life for the better.
I'm talking about a product itself.
As every normal person knows, the purpose of a product is to be sold by a
company for a profit.
WOW!!!
What insight.
Just because this is your belief, does this mean that Coke does taste
better than Pepsi?
Taste is a feature of a product. You can believe that some product is better
then the other, but the bottom line product is sold by a business for a
profit.More customers business has, stronger and richer the business is.
You have yet to relate this to religion.
Product is to be sold for a
profit. Got nothing to do with a belief.
What do you think advertising does?
Advertising instills the belief that the product is better than the
others or that it will improve your life.
Of course it is. But it doesn't change the fact, that product is for sale
for a profit, and got nothing to do with a belief.
So you agree with me then?
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
26 Aug 2003 12:34:29 PM |
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On 26 Aug 2003, "Crazyalec" <oleka2000@yahoo.com> screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:X7E2b.197600$cF.65733@rwcrnsc53:
<tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:cEC2b.24$1v.4@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
It's II Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
God is a product, sold by a big business called religion. Criticizing
God is like complaining about Windows XP or a car that you bought. The
company will never stop selling a product, that brings them billions
of dollars in revenue.
My GOD, will you SHUT the ***** up about your idiotic obsession!
*plonk*
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "The Nolalu Barn Owl" |
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
27 Aug 2003 09:19:57 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:04:49 GMT, <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Y'know, that makes all the sense in the world, just as Paul probably didn't
know about the rest of the New Testament writing (other than his own
letters, but he probably didn't think he was creating "Holy scripture"), but
every discussion I've had with fundamentalists where this point came up
suddenly took a turn in a different direction, no matter how much effort I
put into trying to bring it back. It seems they need to have a tangible
reason for why the bible is special, and this is what they use to "prove"
that it is. And when pressed to explain why II Timothy 3:16 itself should
be considered "given by inspiration of god" they invariably say, "Because it
says so, right there."
There's no talking sense to fundamentalists on this point, but it makes a
big impression on people who aren't quite sucked into the intellectual
quagmire of christian theology . . . sorta acts like an "innoculation"
against the brain virus. I've had bystanders chortle ("Ahhhhhhhhhh!") when
fundies give this weak reply . . . I've got several volumes written by
various christian apologetics and haven't seen anything to address this
point . . .
Um, anyone have any ideas on how to use this issue to better advantage
next time the opportunity arises?
Thanks,
--Tock
I was a Fundamentalist Christian myself for about 6 years or so and
used to quote IITim 3:15, 16 myself as I gladly parroted what I
thought I knew about my faith.
You might try this page I found on the subject:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3975/scrip2.htm
--
Regards
Gordie
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| User: "Kenneth Doyle" |
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| Title: Re: One of my favorite scripture verses . . . |
27 Aug 2003 09:33:59 PM |
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The Nolalu Barn Owl <gordie@nolalu.on.ca> wrote in
news:8hpqkv4m5nirmn2mcb7i4gu95mptic3vv0@4ax.com:
You might try this page I found on the subject:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3975/scrip2.htm
It contains errors. I haven't read past the 2nd paragraph yet,
and already I've found two:
"A. During the first century, the Scripture used by the early
Christians was the Old Testament. It was a Jewish work known as
the Septuagint, a translation of the Hebrew O.T. into Greek, the
language used in the whole region at the time."
Wrong! He probably meant to say "Pentateuch". The septaugint
is seventy books.
"There was no New Testament for hundreds of years until the
'Council of Carthage' in 397"
Wrong again! The first christian bible was commissioned by
Constantine, at the Council of Nicea in 325AD.
If the page wasn't designed to be hard to read, I'd probably
continue to find other errors. As it is, I'm getting a headache
trying to read it.
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