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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Dr. Newto Joseph" |
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28 Jan 2005 07:33:30 AM |
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ONLY IN ILLUSION CAN THE ELITE AND THE HOI-POLLOI MEET |
ONLY IN ILLUSION CAN THE ELITE AND THE HOI-POLLOI MEET
By New10
The social situation of the Christian churches had scarcely changed by
the
end of the second century when the philosopher Celsus, in his diatribe
against the
obscurantism of the Christians, reported:
"Christians do not even want to give or receive a reason for what they
believe, and use such expression as 'Do not ask questions; just
believe,' and 'Thy
faith will save thee. ..' Their injunctions are like this, 'Let no one
educated, no one
sensible draw near. For these abilities are thought by us to be evil.
But as for
anyone ignorant, anyone stupid, anyone uneducated, anyone who is a
child, let him
come boldly.' By the fact that they themselves admit that these people
are worthy
of their God, they show that they want and are able to convince only
the foolish,
dishonorable, the stupid, and only slaves, women and little children.
.. .' In private
houses, also, we see wood-workers, cobblers, laundry workers, and the
most
bucolic and illiterate yokels, who would not dare to say anything at
all in front of
their elders and more intelligent masters."
From the book Magic and Religion by George B. Vetter, professor of
psychology.
Look how far we have progressed in these close to two thousand
years. The uneducated, ignorant, stupid, slaves, women and children,
wood-
workers, cobblers, laundry workers and the most bucolic and illiterate
yokels of
early Christianity have been replaced by doctors, lawyers, teachers,
intelligent and
educated professional God men, presidents, ex-presidents,
psychotherapists,
Congressmen, popes, bishops, teachers and judges that rose to the top
like cream
in a bottle of milk and the same uneducated, stupid, women and
children, wood-
workers, cobblers, laundry workers and the most bucolic and illiterate
yokels still at
the bottom, but both share in their Christianity. This is where the
elite and the
humble meet.
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| User: "pensul" |
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| Title: Re: ONLY IN ILLUSION CAN THE ELITE AND THE HOI-POLLOI MEET |
31 Jan 2005 08:08:14 PM |
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.... This is where the
elite and the humble meet.
That they meet at all is not an illusion, and is for the worthy cause of
theism. Theists do not have the burden of proving that they are theists,
neither do they cease being theists if their statements are not understood.
They do have the burden, like everyone else, of backing up their statements
with evidence, and if the evidence is lacking, it means that the theist lacks
the evidence, not that those he is addressing lack evidence of or belief in
theism. Thus atheism is really only applicable to a theist, because only one
who knows and believes the claims of theism can tell what a-theism or
non-theism is. The same could be said of agnostics in relation to gnosis.
Atheists are really disaffected gnostics, but because they can't come up with
a catchy phrase like agnosis, ( which is ridiculous ), they've thought up
atheism, which sounds like a belief but really isn't; this describes accurately
what they resent about gnosis. Briefly, they wish to be organized like a
religion in order to fight religion, but lack the vocabulary to do so.
Therefore, the word "atheist" really only describes a particular point of view
of theists which indicates their ignorance of the evidence of theism, not
theists themselves.
--
"The world of existence is an emanation of the merciful attribute of God."
Abdul-Baha
http://www.costarricense.cr/pagina/ernobe
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