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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 12 Nov 2005 08:48:04 PM
Object: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery
Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131663013321&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes
Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery
OTTAWA-The Ontario government has been ordered to cover the costs of sexual
reassignment surgery for three transsexuals left stranded when the previous
Tory government delisted the service in 1998.
.

User: "Enkidu the Atheist"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:22:06 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for
whichever one decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed.
These are the issues that drive people into the arms of conservative
politicians

I say "Let the Canadians decide their own issues." They have a couple of
hundred years of successful civil society behind them, so who are you to
second guess their wisdom?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never
inconvenienced me a bit.
-- Mark Twain
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 11:09:15 PM
In message <Xns970CC50A8B49C255229@130.133.1.4>, Enkidu the Atheist
<enkidu@leaddogs.org> said..

I say "Let the Canadians decide their own issues." They have a couple of
hundred years of successful civil society behind them, so who are you to
second guess their wisdom?

Yes, we are known for our wars, but only on the ice and inventing
numerous sports that our warrior cousins in the USA enjoy.
When we beat back the USA in 1812, it was 50,000 Brit soldiers supported
by 250,000 Canadians; facing off with almost 800,000 American troops.
Not an easy job.
We gave them "American football" McGill to Harvard
We gave them basketball (more fights outside of the court).
Alas, we gave them Trivial Persuit too!
Every good Engineer knows that we gave them the "Robertson" screw, but
they still use the "Phillips". We still wonder why.
.
User: "Duncan Patton"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 05:10:29 PM
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:09:15 -0500
Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org> wrote:

Every good Engineer knows that we gave them the "Robertson" screw, but=20
they still use the "Phillips". We still wonder why.

Philips fits onto a magnetic head quicker because it's self aligning. =20
Robbies are better for human use only _after_ the initial assembly.
Dhu
--=20
???????????????????????????????????????
Open Systems Integration
Contact Fubar the Hack: fubar AT neotext.ca
Area code seven eight zero, Exchange four six six, Local zero one zero nine
Highland terms, Canadian workmanship.
All persons named herein are purely fictional victims
of the Canidian Bagle Breeder's Association.
Save the Bagle!=20
Sun =D0hu
???????????????????????????????????????
.



User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 09:33:57 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com...

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever

one

decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the

issues

that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians




http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131663013321&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes



Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery

Now's your chance, J!! The operation you wanted is finally affordable!
.
User: "J Young"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 17 Dec 2005 11:13:48 PM
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dl7md0$jsl$1@news.seed.net.tw...



Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery


Now's your chance, J!! The operation you wanted is finally affordable!


This is the best ( or worst ) insult you could think of? Pathetic; not only
don't you contribute to the topic at hand but your personal attacks suck
also. BORING.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 06:18:21 PM
Peacenik wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote


Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery


Now's your chance, J!! The operation you wanted is finally affordable!

Ontario J Young shall henceforth be known as Ontaria J Young
..
..
..
.


User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:15:50 PM
In article <rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians



http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article
_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131663013321&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467&D
PL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes


Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery



OTTAWA-The Ontario government has been ordered to cover the costs of sexual
reassignment surgery for three transsexuals left stranded when the previous
Tory government delisted the service in 1998.

You obviously have no idea of the nature of GID and the debilitation it
causes. Do you make fun of people with MS as well?
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:27:10 PM
In message <jennconducts-
FD0DA0.19162912112005@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, Jenn
<jennconducts@hotmail.com> said..

You obviously have no idea of the nature of GID and the debilitation it
causes. Do you make fun of people with MS as well?

He probably gets scared shitless when he meets a Swedish girl,
remembering 40 years ago when Sweden was the only place that people could
get the "cut".
I seriously doubt if sex change operations are going to influence the
current attitude against the Ontario Liberals as they stand.
Why do people forget that Ontario voted for Mike Harris' Tory party twice
over 8 years while they also backed the Chretien Liberals in Ottawa?
This is one of the few times in my voting life that Ontario had the same
political persuasion as the feds. Most of the time it's been "what ever
the feds aren't". Ontario on a provincial basis has been Conservative
for the better half of the last century, while Canada has been under the
iron hand of Liberals!
.

User: "Maureen McM"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 01:52:30 AM
Jenn wrote:

In article <rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians



http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article
_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131663013321&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467&D
PL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes


Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery



OTTAWA-The Ontario government has been ordered to cover the costs of sexual
reassignment surgery for three transsexuals left stranded when the previous
Tory government delisted the service in 1998.


You obviously have no idea of the nature of GID and the debilitation it
causes. Do you make fun of people with MS as well?

He probably does.
GID is a disorder that is phenomenally serious, frequently lethal and one of the few
disorders that is treatable yet governments and insurers refuse to treat.
I have had a number of patiendt over the years with the disorder,; those treated and
who recieved surgery live happy and productive lives.
--
Maureen McMahon
Membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
Fear me you lord and lady preachers
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine
The seven seas of rhye
.
User: "Jenn"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 02:25:48 AM
In article <4376F0B4.E947E4A8@LadyHeathers.Palace.org>,
Maureen McM <BonVivant@LadyHeathers.Palace.org> wrote:

Jenn wrote:

In article <rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever
one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the
issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians



http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Art
icle
_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131663013321&call_pageid=968332188774&col=9683501164
67&D
PL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes


Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery



OTTAWA-The Ontario government has been ordered to cover the costs of
sexual
reassignment surgery for three transsexuals left stranded when the
previous
Tory government delisted the service in 1998.


You obviously have no idea of the nature of GID and the debilitation it
causes. Do you make fun of people with MS as well?


He probably does.
GID is a disorder that is phenomenally serious, frequently lethal and one of
the few
disorders that is treatable yet governments and insurers refuse to treat.
I have had a number of patiendt over the years with the disorder,; those
treated and
who recieved surgery live happy and productive lives.

It makes absolutely no sense that people make fun of folks who have a
serious medical condition.
.



User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 08:55:09 PM
In message <rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> said..

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians

There must be loads of females wanting to become Cathoic Priests who
support such an outrage!
Where's my Eunch, Batman!
.
User: "Boy Toy"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:12:12 PM
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:55:09 -0500, Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org>
wrote in message <MPG.1de0751839d0c7689896b1@NNTP>

In message <rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> said..

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians

There must be loads of females wanting to become Cathoic Priests who
support such an outrage!

Where's my Eunch, Batman!

I wonder if they will pay for a penile implant for J.Young/IBen? This
guy seriously needs to get laid.
.
User: "Enkidu the Atheist"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:29:37 PM
Boy Toy <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in
news:4mbdn1lljo14m4t75j176ldjudkkusi5ru@4ax.com:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:55:09 -0500, Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org>
wrote in message <MPG.1de0751839d0c7689896b1@NNTP>

In message <rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> said..

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push
for same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for
whichever one decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing"
changed. These are the issues that drive people into the arms of
conservative politicians

There must be loads of females wanting to become Cathoic Priests who
support such an outrage!

Where's my Eunch, Batman!


I wonder if they will pay for a penile implant for J.Young/IBen? This
guy seriously needs to get laid.

I suspect he's had a penis implanted already. He's so rabidly anti-gay,
that I think he's got a conflict between his behavior and his
superstition.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Freedom is the distance between church and state.
-- bumper sticker
.

User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:16:56 PM
In message <4mbdn1lljo14m4t75j176ldjudkkusi5ru@4ax.com>, Boy Toy
<BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> said..

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:55:09 -0500, Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org>
wrote in message <MPG.1de0751839d0c7689896b1@NNTP>

In message <rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> said..

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians

There must be loads of females wanting to become Cathoic Priests who
support such an outrage!

Where's my Eunch, Batman!


I wonder if they will pay for a penile implant for J.Young/IBen? This
guy seriously needs to get laid.


I expect someone like Karen Gordon or Stephen Green to claim that
Ontario's health care system is on the verge of destruction because of
the massive line ups of immigrants and union members seeking sex changes,
but then again I only play a Doctor on Soap Operas, so what do I know?
.



User: "Lars Eighner"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:38:02 PM
In our last episode,
<rbCdndi_of91NOveRVn-hw@giganews.com>,
the lovely and talented J Young
broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the issues
that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131663013321&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes
Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery
OTTAWA-The Ontario government has been ordered to cover the
costs of sexual reassignment surgery for three transsexuals
left stranded when the previous Tory government delisted the
service in 1998.

As I suspected, the ruling applies only to these three individuals
who had spent years in the program (hence the "stranded") before
the rules changed.
--
Lars Eighner
http://www.larseighner.com/
Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it stands
than to anything on which it is poured.
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:44:15 PM
In message <slrndnddal.15kq.usenet@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<usenet@larseighner.com> said..

As I suspected, the ruling applies only to these three individuals
who had spent years in the program (hence the "stranded") before
the rules changed.


There's a disease which needs a drug worth $250,000 / year to help the
victim survive. Alberta was the first to allow coverage, then the rest
of the provinces followed most recently. It's not like there are
thousands of people in need, and it's obviously expensive.
It's a rare condition, as is the need to cut off your balls and turn them
into a ***** (or vice versa).
The only difference is that the $250,000 / year drug is life saving
proposition while the surgery and drug treatment is not.
Bottom line, I want our respective provincial health systems to
scrutinize people wanting one, the other or both, because we're not
talking about handing out Flu shots.
That's all a taxpayer can ask.
.
User: "Maureen McM"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 01:55:18 AM
Mike wrote:

In message <slrndnddal.15kq.usenet@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<usenet@larseighner.com> said..

As I suspected, the ruling applies only to these three individuals
who had spent years in the program (hence the "stranded") before
the rules changed.


There's a disease which needs a drug worth $250,000 / year to help the
victim survive. Alberta was the first to allow coverage, then the rest
of the provinces followed most recently. It's not like there are
thousands of people in need, and it's obviously expensive.

It's a rare condition, as is the need to cut off your balls and turn them
into a ***** (or vice versa).

The only difference is that the $250,000 / year drug is life saving
proposition while the surgery and drug treatment is not.

Bottom line, I want our respective provincial health systems to
scrutinize people wanting one, the other or both, because we're not
talking about handing out Flu shots.

That's all a taxpayer can ask.

The suicide rate for individuals not recieving surgery is approximately
30-50% depending upon the study cited.
--
Maureen McMahon
Membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
Fear me you lord and lady preachers
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine
The seven seas of rhye
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 02:24:08 AM
In message <4376F15B.624F63E5@LadyHeathers.Palace.org>, Maureen McM
<BonVivant@LadyHeathers.Palace.org> said..

The suicide rate for individuals not recieving surgery is approximately
30-50% depending upon the study cited.

I can't see such things being much of an overload on the health care
system, though I'm sure that if Tommy Douglas was alive today, he'd wear
out the hair on his head wondering what the ***** we were doing!
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 02:28:00 AM
In message <MPG.1de0c231669b89d59896e0@NNTP>, Mike
<mike.fennel1960@easynet.org> said..

In message <4376F15B.624F63E5@LadyHeathers.Palace.org>, Maureen McM
<BonVivant@LadyHeathers.Palace.org> said..

The suicide rate for individuals not recieving surgery is approximately
30-50% depending upon the study cited.

I can't see such things being much of an overload on the health care
system, though I'm sure that if Tommy Douglas was alive today, he'd wear
out the hair on his head wondering what the ***** we were doing!

Sorry, I didn't realize that you were an American. I guess I'll have to
explain that Tommy Douglas was the founder of Canada's social health care
programme over 40 years ago, he's actor Keifer Sutherland's grand father.
.
User: "Maureen McM"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 08:42:06 AM
Mike wrote:

In message <MPG.1de0c231669b89d59896e0@NNTP>, Mike
<mike.fennel1960@easynet.org> said..

In message <4376F15B.624F63E5@LadyHeathers.Palace.org>, Maureen McM
<BonVivant@LadyHeathers.Palace.org> said..

The suicide rate for individuals not recieving surgery is approximately
30-50% depending upon the study cited.

I can't see such things being much of an overload on the health care
system, though I'm sure that if Tommy Douglas was alive today, he'd wear
out the hair on his head wondering what the ***** we were doing!

Sorry, I didn't realize that you were an American. I guess I'll have to
explain that Tommy Douglas was the founder of Canada's social health care
programme over 40 years ago, he's actor Keifer Sutherland's grand father.

Tis ok, I knew who he was.
Irish ex-pat living in the states here
--
Maureen McMahon
Membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
Fear me you lord and lady preachers
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine
The seven seas of rhye
.



User: "Duncan Patton"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 03:30:43 AM
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:55:18 GMT
Maureen McM <BonVivant@LadyHeathers.Palace.org> wrote:

=20
=20
Mike wrote:
=20

In message <slrndnddal.15kq.usenet@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<usenet@larseighner.com> said..

As I suspected, the ruling applies only to these three individuals
who had spent years in the program (hence the "stranded") before
the rules changed.


There's a disease which needs a drug worth $250,000 / year to help the
victim survive. Alberta was the first to allow coverage, then the rest
of the provinces followed most recently. It's not like there are
thousands of people in need, and it's obviously expensive.

It's a rare condition, as is the need to cut off your balls and turn th=

em

into a ***** (or vice versa).

The only difference is that the $250,000 / year drug is life saving
proposition while the surgery and drug treatment is not.

Bottom line, I want our respective provincial health systems to
scrutinize people wanting one, the other or both, because we're not
talking about handing out Flu shots.

That's all a taxpayer can ask.

=20
The suicide rate for individuals not recieving surgery is approximately
30-50% depending upon the study cited.
=20

Sounds a bit like arguments for lobotomies to make people happy. I have=20
an extrordinarily difficult time funding self-mutilation like sex changes,
tho' I spose if some fool is gonna off himself anyways... =20
I worry tho' that it becomes a loophole for breast implants and other cosme=
tics
on a large enough scale to impact health costs: nobody figures on the after=
market
cost of plastic pumps, but I'll bet it's not small.
Dhu

=20
--
Maureen McMahon
Membre de L' Academie des Femmes
One of the Lesbian Immortals of the Left Bank
We never die....
=20
Fear me you lord and lady preachers
I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine
The seven seas of rhye
=20
=20

--=20
???????????????????????????????????????
Open Systems Integration
Contact Fubar the Hack: fubar AT neotext.ca
Area code seven eight zero, Exchange four six six, Local zero one zero nine
Highland terms, Canadian workmanship.
All persons named herein are purely fictional victims
of the Canidian Bagle Breeder's Association.
Save the Bagle!=20
Sun =D0hu
???????????????????????????????????????
.


User: "Boy Toy"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 10:07:22 PM
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:44:15 -0500, Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org>
wrote in message <MPG.1de0809cea279c069896b9@NNTP>

In message <slrndnddal.15kq.usenet@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<usenet@larseighner.com> said..

As I suspected, the ruling applies only to these three individuals
who had spent years in the program (hence the "stranded") before
the rules changed.


There's a disease which needs a drug worth $250,000 / year to help the
victim survive. Alberta was the first to allow coverage, then the rest
of the provinces followed most recently. It's not like there are
thousands of people in need, and it's obviously expensive.

It's a rare condition, as is the need to cut off your balls and turn them
into a ***** (or vice versa).

The only difference is that the $250,000 / year drug is life saving
proposition while the surgery and drug treatment is not.

Bottom line, I want our respective provincial health systems to
scrutinize people wanting one, the other or both, because we're not
talking about handing out Flu shots.

That's all a taxpayer can ask.

Apparently this is already being done. Potential patients have to go
through intense psychological and medical screening.
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 10:09:08 PM
In message <btedn11iagl0u28kfggs8ss1592g1omll9@4ax.com>, Boy Toy
<BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> said..

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:44:15 -0500, Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org>
wrote in message <MPG.1de0809cea279c069896b9@NNTP>

In message <slrndnddal.15kq.usenet@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<usenet@larseighner.com> said..

As I suspected, the ruling applies only to these three individuals
who had spent years in the program (hence the "stranded") before
the rules changed.


There's a disease which needs a drug worth $250,000 / year to help the
victim survive. Alberta was the first to allow coverage, then the rest
of the provinces followed most recently. It's not like there are
thousands of people in need, and it's obviously expensive.

It's a rare condition, as is the need to cut off your balls and turn them
into a ***** (or vice versa).

The only difference is that the $250,000 / year drug is life saving
proposition while the surgery and drug treatment is not.

Bottom line, I want our respective provincial health systems to
scrutinize people wanting one, the other or both, because we're not
talking about handing out Flu shots.

That's all a taxpayer can ask.


Apparently this is already being done. Potential patients have to go
through intense psychological and medical screening.

Corrections Canada is spending $750,000 on free tattoos for convicts in
order to save them from getting HIV and all the rest.
Why don't they spend $300,000 to hold courses for inmates to tell them
that wearing a tattoo is like selecting a shirt when you're 20 and
wearing it until you are dead?
That would help!
.
User: "Gabby"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 06:35:13 AM
"Mike" <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1de08671ea8635129896bd@NNTP...

Corrections Canada is spending $750,000 on free tattoos for convicts in
order to save them from getting HIV and all the rest.

Why don't they spend $300,000 to hold courses for inmates to tell them
that wearing a tattoo is like selecting a shirt when you're 20 and
wearing it until you are dead?

That would help!

Unfortunately, it wouldn't. I've seen first hand that no amount of
reasoning will deter someone who really wants a tattoo. My 21 year old son
is now sporting a 3" diameter "biological hazard" sign on his left shoulder.
Why??? When I first saw it, I thought he was trying to tell us something
but it turned out he just thinks that sign is cool.
Gabby
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User: "Boy Toy"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 11:30:46 PM
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:09:08 -0500, Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org>
wrote in message <MPG.1de08671ea8635129896bd@NNTP>

In message <btedn11iagl0u28kfggs8ss1592g1omll9@4ax.com>, Boy Toy
<BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> said..

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:44:15 -0500, Mike <mike.fennel1960@easynet.org>
wrote in message <MPG.1de0809cea279c069896b9@NNTP>

In message <slrndnddal.15kq.usenet@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<usenet@larseighner.com> said..

As I suspected, the ruling applies only to these three individuals
who had spent years in the program (hence the "stranded") before
the rules changed.


There's a disease which needs a drug worth $250,000 / year to help the
victim survive. Alberta was the first to allow coverage, then the rest
of the provinces followed most recently. It's not like there are
thousands of people in need, and it's obviously expensive.

It's a rare condition, as is the need to cut off your balls and turn them
into a ***** (or vice versa).

The only difference is that the $250,000 / year drug is life saving
proposition while the surgery and drug treatment is not.

Bottom line, I want our respective provincial health systems to
scrutinize people wanting one, the other or both, because we're not
talking about handing out Flu shots.

That's all a taxpayer can ask.


Apparently this is already being done. Potential patients have to go
through intense psychological and medical screening.

Corrections Canada is spending $750,000 on free tattoos for convicts in
order to save them from getting HIV and all the rest.

Why don't they spend $300,000 to hold courses for inmates to tell them
that wearing a tattoo is like selecting a shirt when you're 20 and
wearing it until you are dead?

That would help!

The inmates would laugh at whomever tried it, and it would be a waste
of time. May as well tell them to quit smoking. They know this, but
they do it anyway. In any event, Hepatitis C treatments for a
lifetime run about $250K (HepC is way more common and dangerous than
HIV.) The money that is being spent on this program will probably
give the highest return ever generated by a federal program. I would
reckon an annual return of about 30,000%.
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 11:37:23 PM
In message <dgjdn1d053sknirceqsjfjuf0oi2ub7aq7@4ax.com>, Boy Toy
<BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> said..

The inmates would laugh at whomever tried it, and it would be a waste
of time. May as well tell them to quit smoking. They know this, but
they do it anyway. In any event, Hepatitis C treatments for a
lifetime run about $250K (HepC is way more common and dangerous than
HIV.) The money that is being spent on this program will probably
give the highest return ever generated by a federal program. I would
reckon an annual return of about 30,000%.


Mel Lastman is my neighbour. He's a Hep C victim because of an operation
he had in 1983. He's not eligible for the Red Cross law suit.
.






User: "L. Michael Roberts"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 09:50:28 PM
J Young wrote:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed.

Once again you lie to advance your agenda. The government of Ontario
[which is the conservatives] HAD a policy of paying for sex-change
operations that were recommended by specialists. This was the norm for
many years and nobody had any problems with it since there were only
handful each year.
The same Conservative government then decided to cut costs by
"de-listing" some health services and procedures... amongst those
de-listed were sex-change operations. This left a number of people who
were already fully involved in the lengthy process [therapy, hormones,
etc.] of sex-change stranded part way through the treatment [which can
take years]. All that this ruling does is to allow those already in the
system to have their treatment/procedure paid for. It does not force
the government health care program to pay for any *new* sex-change
operations.
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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User: "Velvet Elvis"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 12 Nov 2005 10:11:35 PM
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:50:28 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:

J Young wrote:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed.


Once again you lie to advance your agenda. The government of Ontario
[which is the conservatives]

<snip>
The government of Ontario is NOT Conservative. It is Liberal.
.
User: "L. Michael Roberts"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 12:20:50 AM
Velvet Elvis wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:50:28 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:


J Young wrote:


Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed.


Once again you lie to advance your agenda. The government of Ontario
[which is the conservatives]


<snip>
The government of Ontario is NOT Conservative. It is Liberal.

My bad... should have been "was".
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
.
User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 12:55:22 AM
In message <pcCdnaT5TsajRuvenZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@golden.net>, L. Michael
Roberts <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> said..

Velvet Elvis wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:50:28 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:


J Young wrote:


Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever one
decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed.


Once again you lie to advance your agenda. The government of Ontario
[which is the conservatives]


<snip>
The government of Ontario is NOT Conservative. It is Liberal.


My bad... should have been "was".


The Government of Ontario was chiefly Conservative for decades at a time.
The fact that there's a Liberal in charge now is a anomaly.
.




User: "Duncan Patton"

Title: Re: Ontario must pay for sex-change surgery 13 Nov 2005 03:18:37 AM
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:48:04 -0500
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Are these people completely out of their mind? First the big push for
same-sex marriage, then they expect the government to pay for whichever o=

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decides to be the wife, to get it's "plumbing" changed. These are the iss=

ues

that drive people into the arms of conservative politicians
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I can see needing to finish the job, as it were. Just don't go re-listing =
it.
Sex-changes are self-mutilation. Same with plastic tits and whatever.. look
at Mikey J. There's no reason in hell for tax money to go for any plastic=
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