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Ted Rall gets after John McCain and the other "Christian Nation" people.

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ONWARD, CHRISTIAN PANDERERS

By Ted Rall Wed Oct 17, 6:11 PM ET

Pols Push U.S. Toward Theocracy

WASHINGTON--A poll finds that 55 percent of Americans think the U.S. was
created as a Christian theocracy.

This wouldn't include *well* over the 55 percent of Americans who've never
read the bible in their entire lives, would it?

"The strong support for official

recognition of the majority faith appears to be grounded in a belief
that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, in spite of
the fact that the Constitution nowhere mentions God or Christianity,"
says Charles Haynes of the First Amendment Center.

It is a fact that many a founding father was a 'Christian'. But that's a far
cry from officially declaring the nation a 'Christian' one. In fact, our
founding fathers went *out* of their way to prevent just that! It wasn't
Madalyn Murray O'Hair who came up with the 'Wall of Separation' that is now
instituted. It was an incredibly astute notion and bit of self-preservation
presented to us by none other than our founding fathers!

Sadly, these morons are allowed to vote.

Would 'these morons' be of the 'normal' variety or of the religiously
'brainwashed' kind?

Tragically, one of them is a

major presidential candidate. "The Constitution established the United
States of America as a Christian nation," John McCain recently told an
interviewer.

Desperate times require desperate and often unethical, deceitful measures,
No? The problem here is that almost everyone can sense the degree he's being
completely disingenuous here. He's fooling no one here but fools.

Here's an offer that an erstwhile front-running shoe-in, now low on
cash, ought not to refuse. Senator McCain: If you can show me where the
Constitution makes us a Christian nation, I'll donate $10,000 to your
campaign. If you can't, please explain why we should trust your
presidential oath to preserve, protect and defend a document you haven't
read.

Oh, he's read it all right. It's just that he's just an erstwhile
front-running shoe-in, now low on cash. If the majority of Americans were
atheists or agnostics do you think for a nanosecond such words would come
out of his desperate mouth?

He would be smarter to remain true to his
beliefs. If he were to lose because of it, so be it. Don't want no
phony-balonies running things from the White House at this critical juncture
in America's history anyway. We need someone with the heart of a lion and
the morals and ethics of the highest magnitude and this critical time in
America's relatively brief life. We are a sick, dying nation. (Internal
strife and massive corruption is helping bring our nation low. Religious
intolerance on the part of phony-baloney Christians will cripple, then kill
her. And we're all watching it unfold before our very eyes.)

Lest you think McCain's comment was an isolated brainfart, check out his
pandering morsel from the same interview: "We were founded as a nation
on Judeo-Christian principles. There's very little debate about that."

You mean the Judeo-Christian principles that allowed for keeping slaves
devoid of liberty and restricted from participating in the pursuit of
happiness? Those 'Godly' principles?

Speaking of war criminals, Bush won 80 percent of the Christian
fundamentalist voting bloc in 2004. (If they can show me where Jesus
advocates the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, I've got
another ten grand set aside.)

Hey, I've got so-called 'Christians' out my way who have no problem with
starving atheists and stealing their land while at the very same time
practically hugging themselves to death for being so . . . so . . .
*Christian*. Phony-baloney, one-hundred percent pure, 'artificial'
Christians, *have* read those passages in 'scripture' where Jesus admonishes
his followers to 'love thy neighbor as thyself' and to treat others as
*they* would like to be treated. Problem is, they could care less what some
1st-century itinerant Jewish preacher had to say -- *they're* 'Christians'!

This year, however, the Christian soldiers

are in play, dissatisfied with the entire field of presidential
candidates.

It's not for lack of sucking up.

Mitt Romney is one-upping McCain, misrepresenting Mormonism as well as
the secular nature of American government. "The values of my faith are
much like, or are identical to, the values of other faiths that have a
Judeo-Christian philosophical background," he said in New Hampshire.
"They're American values, if you will." Or if you won't. As The New York
Times notes, "Mormons do not believe in the concept of the unified
Trinity; the Book of Mormon is considered to be sacred text, alongside
the Bible; and Mormons believe that God has a physical body and human
beings can eventually become like God." Also, the Mormon Jesus will
eventually return to Independence, Missouri. "Much like." Right.

Ahhh, but the Mormon Christians can *prove* everything they claim is true .
. . uh . . . can't they?

McCain, Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Mike Huckabee, Sam
Brownback have all signed up to address this week's right-wing Christian
"Values Voter Summit." So has Democrat Bill Richardson. But when it
comes to indulging the whims of Christianists, these guys have nothing
on the Big Three Dems.

Hillary Clinton has hired an "evangelical consultant" to court the
quarter of voters who tell pollsters that God favors the United States
in foreign affairs.

Well, c'mon. She needs to hone her being disingenous skills. She also needs
to explain to the 'simple' people why it takes a politician to do the
'Almighty's' work when it comes to foreign affairs and not the 'Almighty'
himself.

Barack Obama deploys evangelical imagery at campaign

stops in the Bible Belt. At an evangelical church in Greenville, South
Carolina, he said he wants to be an "instrument of God" and expressed
confidence "we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."

Darn tootin'. All it takes is one charismatic religious-right nut to stir
and inflame the passions of the millions of other religious-right nuts into
turning these United States into an earthly 'Kingdom' for Jesus; their
crucified 'King of the Jews' (minus any anti-semitic overtones).

"That terminology," said the Rev. Welton Gaddy of the Interfaith
Alliance, "has a very specific, indisputable definition that is
exclusive rather than inclusive." On the campaign trail, Gaddy
continued, Obama "has sounded precisely like George W. Bush."

A little *too* precise at times for my blood.

Even John Edwards, the most reasonable person running, isn't above
whoring his faith for votes. "I think that America is a nation of faith.
I do believe that. Certainly by way of heritage--there's a powerful
Christian thread through all of American history," he told BeliefNet. To
his credit, he doesn't go as far as his opponents. Yet he can't bring
himself to condemn prayer in public schools: "Allowing time for children
to pray for themselves, to themselves, I think is not only okay, I think
it's a good thing."

Did someone say, '*****'? Kidding aside, he thinks he has to win over
religious fanatics. Well what do you do with them after winning the
election. Turn around and take a healthy ***** on the people you conciously
lied to and deceived? Is *that* how 'real' Christian politicians do things?
(And mind you, being a Christian or pious Jewish politician doesn't preclude
one from being intensely religious *personally*. It matters most that you
follow the Constitution and use common sense and see to the welfare and
well-being of *all* Americans -- well as many as a good heart and noble
conscience; and an amply-filled purse will allow. (And to the detriment of
those corrupt war-profiteers, corrupt businesses, corruption-breeding
lobbyists and the politcally well-connected -- Hell, *every* form of
political, institutionalized corruption a President can do anything about!
It's time to clean up America. The political corruption is just *killing*
us!)

Between 10 and 14 percent of Americans are atheists. Devoting a "moment
of silence" in schools sends a message to their children: you and your
parents are out of step with American society.

And it implies that Christians are utterly incapable of going off to a
secluded area and silently, discreetly, 'pray' like Jesus commands in
Matthew 6:6. It implies that before classes start proper the devout
Christian is incapable of bowing his or her head and saying a 'prayer' to
their God without turning it into a religious spectacle.

Oh, but it's just a moment of 'silence'! Well isn't that what one gets in
public school when a class is told there's going to be surprise math test
given it in short order? And doesn't even a bit of silent prayer ring
silently through the classroom? What a disingenous way of trying to inject
religious-right Christian prayer into the classroom. And notice just how
deceitfully our moral superiors are attempting to do so?

If people want to believe in God, the Great Pumpkin, or a Jesus who
lives in Missouri, that's up to them. But religion has no place in the
public life of a democracy. None.

As something thrown into the public arena for discourse and dissection, I
have no problem. I have a problem, however, when religious leaders have a
bully pulpit from which no one with a dissenting viewpoint can stand
alongside and rebut. Okay. They have an inaliable right to 'preach'. But
when they preach hate and intolerance of others it should be exposed and
refuted with the best and brightest we as a free society can muster. Giving
deference to religious leaders who extol intolerance towards the atheist,
for example, must cease. They should be mercilessly, pitilessly, exposed for
the danger to our country that they are.

If I seem a little *too* impassioned here it's because I am presently
experiencing what it must have felt for a Jew in Hitle'rs pre-war Germany.
And it is *not* pretty!

Right-wing Christians started questioning their support for the GOP last
year, when former White House staffer David Kuo published "Tempting
Faith," a bestselling book that revealed that Bush Administration
officials privately ridiculed evangelicals and ignored them between
elections. Bush betrayed "the millions of faithful Christians who put
their trust and hope in the president and his administration," wrote
Kuo, who was the White House's deputy director of the Office of
Faith-Based and Community Initiatives until 2003.

Parasitic slime, aren't they?

Who knew? Bush isn't all bad.

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

Oh my poor rug! Oh well. That's what happens when you don't keep a barf bag
at the ready.

Greywolf

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:27:17 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

I'd say that alone is enough to disqualify him for the office. Who
wants a mental child as leader?

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:27:17 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

I'd say that alone is enough to disqualify him for the office. Who
wants a mental child as leader?

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:27:17 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

I'd say that alone is enough to disqualify him for the office. Who
wants a mental child as leader?

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:27:17 -0700, johac

<jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

I'd say that alone is enough to disqualify him for the office. Who
wants a mental child as leader?
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:27:17 -0700, johac

<jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

I'd say that alone is enough to disqualify him for the office. Who
wants a mental child as leader?
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:27:17 -0700, johac

<jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

I'd say that alone is enough to disqualify him for the office. Who
wants a mental child as leader?

On Oct 19, 12:27 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

<Snippage>

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

Hey, who knows? Maybe they'll hold him under a bit too long, and
he'll drown. It's happened before.

Oh...wait <smacks forehead>...I've had a revelation!!! All that so-
called "waterboarding" that they're doing to suspected terrorists
*might* *really* *not* be torture, just as the administration claims.
Why, they're just practicing full-immersion baptism with them-there
prisoners, that's all!

All this fuss over nothing. Sheesh.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net

On Oct 19, 12:27 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

<Snippage>

McCain, meanwhile, is getting ready to get soaked to score Christian
votes. "I've had discussions with the pastor about [undergoing a
full-immersion baptism] and we're still in conversation about it," he
says.

Hey, who knows? Maybe they'll hold him under a bit too long, and
he'll drown. It's happened before.

Oh...wait <smacks forehead>...I've had a revelation!!! All that so-
called "waterboarding" that they're doing to suspected terrorists
*might* *really* *not* be torture, just as the administration claims.
Why, they're just practicing full-immersion baptism with them-there
prisoners, that's all!

All this fuss over nothing. Sheesh.