| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Jason Spaceman" |
| Date: |
22 Nov 2004 04:20:29 AM |
| Object: |
Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
From the article:
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Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended the
merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel
the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle deserves
attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war against
evolution being waged in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks
and civic institutions.
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Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Klaus Hellnick" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
22 Nov 2004 07:21:26 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended the
merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel
the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle deserves
attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war against
evolution being waged in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks
and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws. While it is true that many
conservatives oppose some aspects of the modern civil rights movement,
the opposition is often due to the unconstitutional methods employed to
enact "legislation" favoring small minorities by using activist judges,
rather than going through the state legislatures.
Klaus
J. Spaceman
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| User: "David Canzi -- non-mailable address" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
22 Nov 2004 01:27:53 PM |
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In article <zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>,
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote:
Jason Spaceman wrote:
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act.
The word "Republican" means no more than the trademarked name on a
bottle of fruit drink means. What's in the bottles on the supermarket
shelves can change over the years -- less fruit juice, more artificial
flavouring -- while the trademarked name stays the same. What the
Republican party is at any time is what it's current leaders and
members make it. They are not the same people as 25 or 50 years ago.
It is not the same party as it was 25 or 50 years ago. Brand loyalty
in the grocery store is mostly harmless folly. Brand loyalty in
politics is lethal stupidity.
--
David Canzi
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 10:20:56 AM |
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Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended the
merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel
the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle deserves
attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war against
evolution being waged in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks
and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
While it is true that many
conservatives oppose some aspects of the modern civil rights movement,
the opposition is often due to the unconstitutional methods employed to
enact "legislation" favoring small minorities by using activist judges,
rather than going through the state legislatures.
There is that old line of crap again. You guys always complain about
"activist judges" anytime a ruling goes against you. Yet you seem to
want to head to the Supreme Court quickly enough when you think they
will side with you. I wonder why? Oh yes, its hypocrisy. Here's a
clue - it isn't "unconstutional" just because you don't like it.
jwk
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 01:37:09 PM |
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(jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 05:39:42 PM |
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On 23-Nov-2004, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
<header snip>
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
In Ohio during the last election, there was a concentrated effort by the
Republican Party to put in place "voter challengers" in areas that were 1)
mostly populated by urban Blacks and 2) statistically heavily Democratic in
their voting patterns. They were to challenge anyone (which would have been
almost certainly, in reality, a Black person intending to vote for Kerry)
whom they suspected of not being legitimately or properly registered, or
voting in the right place, etc.
The stated reason for the policy was to "reduce election fraud". The real
effect would have been to slow down the voting process to the point where
many people might not have been able to exercise their right to vote or felt
intimidated and left, or who might have been legally able to vote in a
particular place but not be able to prove that fact.
The legal basis of placing such voter challengers was based on the Jim Crow
law. Google for: "jim crow ohio vote challenger" for more analysis and
news.
This was of course after they tried to purge the voter rolls of selected
areas of the state, mostly Black and mostly Democratic, of tens of thousands
of people based on the assertion that because someone had not replied to a
postcard or because a post card had been undeliverable to a newly registered
voters address, that person should be purged from the voting rolls as having
committed voter registration fraud.
The Ohio Republican Party tried to reduce the number of Blacks voting in the
last election. They tried.
Skitter the Cat
Lynx sapiens Cincinnatus
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 07:49:47 PM |
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wrote in
news:i%Pod.27159$sk2.4888@fe2.columbus.rr.com:
On 23-Nov-2004, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
<header snip>
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists,
are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of science and reason,
and this battle deserves attention from humanists of all
stripes. One of the most virulent expressions of the rightwing
assault on modernity is the war against evolution being waged in
America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks and civic
institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the
Civil Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks
from primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
In Ohio during the last election, there was a concentrated effort by
the Republican Party to put in place "voter challengers" in areas that
were 1) mostly populated by urban Blacks and 2) statistically heavily
Democratic in their voting patterns. They were to challenge anyone
(which would have been almost certainly, in reality, a Black person
intending to vote for Kerry) whom they suspected of not being
legitimately or properly registered, or voting in the right place,
etc.
The stated reason for the policy was to "reduce election fraud". The
real effect would have been to slow down the voting process to the
point where many people might not have been able to exercise their
right to vote or felt intimidated and left, or who might have been
legally able to vote in a particular place but not be able to prove
that fact.
The legal basis of placing such voter challengers was based on the Jim
Crow law. Google for: "jim crow ohio vote challenger" for more
analysis and news.
I'm sorry, you seem to have misspelled "Spin and propaganda".
This was of course after they tried to purge the voter rolls of
selected areas of the state, mostly Black and mostly Democratic, of
tens of thousands of people based on the assertion that because
someone had not replied to a postcard or because a post card had been
undeliverable to a newly registered voters address, that person should
be purged from the voting rolls as having committed voter registration
fraud.
The Ohio Republican Party tried to reduce the number of Blacks voting
in the last election. They tried.
Skitter the Cat
Lynx sapiens Cincinnatus
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 12:48:14 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:49:47 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Skitter_the_Cat@yahoo.com wrote in
news:i%Pod.27159$sk2.4888@fe2.columbus.rr.com:
On 23-Nov-2004, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
<header snip>
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists,
are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of science and reason,
and this battle deserves attention from humanists of all
stripes. One of the most virulent expressions of the rightwing
assault on modernity is the war against evolution being waged in
America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks and civic
institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the
Civil Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks
from primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
In Ohio during the last election, there was a concentrated effort by
the Republican Party to put in place "voter challengers" in areas that
were 1) mostly populated by urban Blacks and 2) statistically heavily
Democratic in their voting patterns. They were to challenge anyone
(which would have been almost certainly, in reality, a Black person
intending to vote for Kerry) whom they suspected of not being
legitimately or properly registered, or voting in the right place,
etc.
The stated reason for the policy was to "reduce election fraud". The
real effect would have been to slow down the voting process to the
point where many people might not have been able to exercise their
right to vote or felt intimidated and left, or who might have been
legally able to vote in a particular place but not be able to prove
that fact.
The legal basis of placing such voter challengers was based on the Jim
Crow law. Google for: "jim crow ohio vote challenger" for more
analysis and news.
I'm sorry, you seem to have misspelled "Spin and propaganda".
Isn't that your tag line?
This was of course after they tried to purge the voter rolls of
selected areas of the state, mostly Black and mostly Democratic, of
tens of thousands of people based on the assertion that because
someone had not replied to a postcard or because a post card had been
undeliverable to a newly registered voters address, that person should
be purged from the voting rolls as having committed voter registration
fraud.
The Ohio Republican Party tried to reduce the number of Blacks voting
in the last election. They tried.
Skitter the Cat
Lynx sapiens Cincinnatus
.
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 09:49:07 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage. I'm afraid your Republican party
has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself for votes.
Congratulations, you've become the 19th century Democrats.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 07:34:10 AM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq81uo.gf.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from
primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage.
A move which is supported by majorities of *both* parties.
I'm afraid your Republican
party has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself for
votes. Congratulations, you've become the 19th century Democrats.
Oh, deary me, a party that actually cares about getting votes! How
refreshing, opposed to the party that wants to rule by minority.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 09:20:05 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq81uo.gf.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from
primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage.
A move which is supported by majorities of *both* parties.
I didn't see Democrats going out and pushing to get the Evangelicals out to
vote.
I'm afraid your Republican
party has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself for
votes. Congratulations, you've become the 19th century Democrats.
Oh, deary me, a party that actually cares about getting votes! How
refreshing, opposed to the party that wants to rule by minority.
Getting votes by whoring itself to bigots is of rather questionable morals,
don't you think?
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 12:15:35 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq9aeb.156.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq81uo.gf.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists,
are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of science and reason,
and this battle deserves attention from humanists of all
stripes. One of the most virulent expressions of the rightwing
assault on modernity is the war against evolution being waged
in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks and civic
institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the
Civil Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks
from primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage.
A move which is supported by majorities of *both* parties.
I didn't see Democrats going out and pushing to get the Evangelicals
out to vote.
Didn't you hear Kerry and Edwards claiming that thhe didn't support gay
marriage? Or maybe you just don't want to accept that the state-level
amendments passed with majorities that indicate support from both Reps
and Dems?
I'm afraid your Republican
party has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself
for votes. Congratulations, you've become the 19th century
Democrats.
Oh, deary me, a party that actually cares about getting votes! How
refreshing, opposed to the party that wants to rule by minority.
Getting votes by whoring itself to bigots is of rather questionable
morals, don't you think?
Careful there, you almost used "morals" and "politicians" in the same
sentence. :-)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 01:08:51 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq9aeb.156.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq81uo.gf.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists,
are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of science and reason,
and this battle deserves attention from humanists of all
stripes. One of the most virulent expressions of the rightwing
assault on modernity is the war against evolution being waged
in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks and civic
institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the
Civil Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks
from primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage.
A move which is supported by majorities of *both* parties.
I didn't see Democrats going out and pushing to get the Evangelicals
out to vote.
Didn't you hear Kerry and Edwards claiming that thhe didn't support gay
marriage? Or maybe you just don't want to accept that the state-level
amendments passed with majorities that indicate support from both Reps
and Dems?
I'm afraid your Republican
party has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself
for votes. Congratulations, you've become the 19th century
Democrats.
Oh, deary me, a party that actually cares about getting votes! How
refreshing, opposed to the party that wants to rule by minority.
Getting votes by whoring itself to bigots is of rather questionable
morals, don't you think?
Careful there, you almost used "morals" and "politicians" in the same
sentence. :-)
I do expect a major political party to not give itself in to bigots. It
rather appears that the Republicans, with the aid of some very clever state
initiatives, went over the top on the backs of homosexuals.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 02:41:07 PM |
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AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq9nrc.17d.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq9aeb.156.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq81uo.gf.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle
the achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown
fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of
science and reason, and this battle deserves attention from
humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war
against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the
fact that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported
the Civil Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned
blacks from primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking
about *todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage.
A move which is supported by majorities of *both* parties.
I didn't see Democrats going out and pushing to get the Evangelicals
out to vote.
Didn't you hear Kerry and Edwards claiming that thhe didn't support
gay marriage? Or maybe you just don't want to accept that the
state-level amendments passed with majorities that indicate support
from both Reps and Dems?
I'm afraid your Republican
party has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself
for votes. Congratulations, you've become the 19th century
Democrats.
Oh, deary me, a party that actually cares about getting votes! How
refreshing, opposed to the party that wants to rule by minority.
Getting votes by whoring itself to bigots is of rather questionable
morals, don't you think?
Careful there, you almost used "morals" and "politicians" in the same
sentence. :-)
I do expect a major political party to not give itself in to bigots.
It rather appears that the Republicans, with the aid of some very
clever state initiatives, went over the top on the backs of
homosexuals.
That just isn't supported by the polls. Iraq and Terrorism and other
security issues were more important among more Republican voters. "Moral
Values" includes more than just the gay marriage issue.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "AC" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 09:54:38 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:41:07 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq9nrc.17d.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq9aeb.156.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq81uo.gf.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle
the achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown
fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of
science and reason, and this battle deserves attention from
humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war
against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the
fact that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported
the Civil Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned
blacks from primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking
about *todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage.
A move which is supported by majorities of *both* parties.
I didn't see Democrats going out and pushing to get the Evangelicals
out to vote.
Didn't you hear Kerry and Edwards claiming that thhe didn't support
gay marriage? Or maybe you just don't want to accept that the
state-level amendments passed with majorities that indicate support
from both Reps and Dems?
I'm afraid your Republican
party has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself
for votes. Congratulations, you've become the 19th century
Democrats.
Oh, deary me, a party that actually cares about getting votes! How
refreshing, opposed to the party that wants to rule by minority.
Getting votes by whoring itself to bigots is of rather questionable
morals, don't you think?
Careful there, you almost used "morals" and "politicians" in the same
sentence. :-)
I do expect a major political party to not give itself in to bigots.
It rather appears that the Republicans, with the aid of some very
clever state initiatives, went over the top on the backs of
homosexuals.
That just isn't supported by the polls. Iraq and Terrorism and other
security issues were more important among more Republican voters. "Moral
Values" includes more than just the gay marriage issue.
Exit polls clearly indicated that gay marriage was an issue. Republican
strategists, bless them, also got gay marriage on some key state ballots.
You can't rewrite this one, Fred. The Republicans won by getting bigots to
the poll. Your party has shown itself to be opposed to civil rights and the
basic dignity of a minority group in its population.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a
whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
.
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 02:19:37 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq9aeb.156.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
AC <mightymartianca@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:slrncq81uo.gf.mightymartianca@aaronclausen.alberni.net:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC),
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey
trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists,
are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of science and reason,
and this battle deserves attention from humanists of all
stripes. One of the most virulent expressions of the rightwing
assault on modernity is the war against evolution being waged
in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks and civic
institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the
Civil Rights Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks
from primaries and passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
They are moving to prevent gay marriage.
A move which is supported by majorities of *both* parties.
I didn't see Democrats going out and pushing to get the Evangelicals
out to vote.
Didn't you hear Kerry and Edwards claiming that thhe didn't support gay
marriage?
Don't you know the difference between not supporting and opposing?
It is not uncommon, particularly among politicians, to not support a
particularly divisive issue while also not actively opposing it as
well. I personally do not support the idea of Jehovas Witnesses
bugging me every odd Saturday by knocking at my door but I am also not
actively opposing it through legislation as well!
Or maybe you just don't want to accept that the state-level
amendments passed with majorities that indicate support from both Reps
and Dems?
And I'll bet you that they were largely, if not exclusively initiated
and pushed by Republicans. If Republicans and Evangelical bigots were
not pushing the issue in the first place I doubt that it would not
have been an issue at all. The fact that such issues gain some
support among particularly vulnerable Democratic politicians does not
make this issue a bipartisan one. The support for anti-gay
legislation lies mainly within predominantly Republican bases.
I'm afraid your Republican
party has plenty of bigots, or at least is willing to ***** itself
for votes. Congratulations, you've become the 19th century
Democrats.
Oh, deary me, a party that actually cares about getting votes! How
refreshing, opposed to the party that wants to rule by minority.
Getting votes by whoring itself to bigots is of rather questionable
morals, don't you think?
Careful there, you almost used "morals" and "politicians" in the same
sentence. :-)
.
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 02:42:35 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
Are you suggesting Democrats have in recent years?
It was a company out of Texas with strong Republican ties that went to
great lengths under contract with a Republican run state government in
Florida to remove many blacks from the voting rolls in Florida in
2000.
When current Supreme Court Chief Justice William Renquist was being
confirmed as Chief Justice under Reagan (a Republican - originally put
on bench by Nixon, another Republican), an issue came up concerning
his propensity for challenging the rights of blacks to vote at the
polls, something that was once allowed.
Alex
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 03:32:06 PM |
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"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3167q0h0q565vfttmnmsmgionh46clsh8d@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries
and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
Are you suggesting Democrats have in recent years?
No.
It was a company out of Texas with strong Republican ties that went to
great lengths under contract with a Republican run state government in
Florida to remove many blacks from the voting rolls in Florida in
2000.
They removed more whites than blacks.
When current Supreme Court Chief Justice William Renquist was being
confirmed as Chief Justice under Reagan (a Republican - originally put
on bench by Nixon, another Republican), an issue came up concerning
his propensity for challenging the rights of blacks to vote at the
polls, something that was once allowed.
I thought you were talking about recent years.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
.
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 06:27:54 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3167q0h0q565vfttmnmsmgionh46clsh8d@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to
unravel the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle
deserves attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most
virulent expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the
war against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries
and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many conservatives
bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned blacks
from primaries.
Are you suggesting Democrats have in recent years?
No.
Then your statement about "today's Republicans" strike me as being a
bit on the dishonest side on its face. If "today's Democrats" haven't
done so either then the purpose of your statement appears to be to
mislead.
It was a company out of Texas with strong Republican ties that went to
great lengths under contract with a Republican run state government in
Florida to remove many blacks from the voting rolls in Florida in
2000.
They removed more whites than blacks.
Yeah right! That is clearly not what was reported and it also doesn't
make sense. A majority of those on the ineligibility list (many of
whom actually had their rights restored) were African Americans (65%
of the list). The Republicans tried again to pull the same stunt this
last election but were caught red-handed when it was pointed out that,
out of the thousands of names, only a few Hispanic names could be
found. Since Blacks tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats while
Hispanics tend to vote Republican, they were called on it and only
then had to back down this time.
When current Supreme Court Chief Justice William Renquist was being
confirmed as Chief Justice under Reagan (a Republican - originally put
on bench by Nixon, another Republican), an issue came up concerning
his propensity for challenging the rights of blacks to vote at the
polls, something that was once allowed.
I thought you were talking about recent years.
Yes, he still sits on the Supreme Court and he is no friend to voting
or civil rights.
Alex
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
23 Nov 2004 07:47:58 PM |
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"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fkj7q0dnrgjtj2rghtb8us9jmdu8if9kms@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3167q0h0q565vfttmnmsmgionh46clsh8d@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists,
are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of science and reason,
and this battle deserves attention from humanists of all
stripes. One of the most virulent expressions of the rightwing
assault on modernity is the war against evolution being waged
in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks and civic
institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries
and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
Are you suggesting Democrats have in recent years?
No.
Then your statement about "today's Republicans" strike me as being a
bit on the dishonest side on its face. If "today's Democrats" haven't
done so either then the purpose of your statement appears to be to
mislead.
Oh, that's a good one, and right in the face of jwk's comment about
*today's Republicans.
It was a company out of Texas with strong Republican ties that went
to great lengths under contract with a Republican run state
government in Florida to remove many blacks from the voting rolls in
Florida in 2000.
They removed more whites than blacks.
Yeah right! That is clearly not what was reported and it also doesn't
make sense. A majority of those on the ineligibility list (many of
whom actually had their rights restored) were African Americans (65%
of the list).
That simply is not the case.
The Republicans tried again to pull the same stunt this
last election but were caught red-handed when it was pointed out that,
out of the thousands of names, only a few Hispanic names could be
found. Since Blacks tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats while
Hispanics tend to vote Republican, they were called on it and only
then had to back down this time.
More spin from the Democratic Talking Points.
When current Supreme Court Chief Justice William Renquist was being
confirmed as Chief Justice under Reagan (a Republican - originally
put on bench by Nixon, another Republican), an issue came up
concerning his propensity for challenging the rights of blacks to
vote at the polls, something that was once allowed.
I thought you were talking about recent years.
Yes, he still sits on the Supreme Court and he is no friend to voting
or civil rights.
Alex
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 12:46:59 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:47:58 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fkj7q0dnrgjtj2rghtb8us9jmdu8if9kms@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3167q0h0q565vfttmnmsmgionh46clsh8d@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over
again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists,
are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of science and reason,
and this battle deserves attention from humanists of all
stripes. One of the most virulent expressions of the rightwing
assault on modernity is the war against evolution being waged
in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks and civic
institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact
that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries
and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking about
*todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
Are you suggesting Democrats have in recent years?
No.
Then your statement about "today's Republicans" strike me as being a
bit on the dishonest side on its face. If "today's Democrats" haven't
done so either then the purpose of your statement appears to be to
mislead.
Oh, that's a good one, and right in the face of jwk's comment about
*today's Republicans.
It was a company out of Texas with strong Republican ties that went
to great lengths under contract with a Republican run state
government in Florida to remove many blacks from the voting rolls in
Florida in 2000.
They removed more whites than blacks.
Yeah right! That is clearly not what was reported and it also doesn't
make sense. A majority of those on the ineligibility list (many of
whom actually had their rights restored) were African Americans (65%
of the list).
That simply is not the case.
Blacks voted over 90% for Democrats. Republicans put into play
mechanisms that disproportionately adversely effected Blacks in
Florida. With such a high percentage otherwise going for Democrats
even a few White voters lost still added up to a net gain for
Republicans.
The Republicans tried again to pull the same stunt this
last election but were caught red-handed when it was pointed out that,
out of the thousands of names, only a few Hispanic names could be
found. Since Blacks tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats while
Hispanics tend to vote Republican, they were called on it and only
then had to back down this time.
More spin from the Democratic Talking Points.
Is that your way of saying it didn't happen or just your way of
dismissing an embarrasing truth?
When current Supreme Court Chief Justice William Renquist was being
confirmed as Chief Justice under Reagan (a Republican - originally
put on bench by Nixon, another Republican), an issue came up
concerning his propensity for challenging the rights of blacks to
vote at the polls, something that was once allowed.
I thought you were talking about recent years.
Yes, he still sits on the Supreme Court and he is no friend to voting
or civil rights.
Alex
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24 Nov 2004 07:32:05 AM |
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"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:75c8q0hbgikki7r3cqv33tq84o6utltf8n@4ax.com:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:47:58 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fkj7q0dnrgjtj2rghtb8us9jmdu8if9kms@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3167q0h0q565vfttmnmsmgionh46clsh8d@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all
over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle
the achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown
fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of
science and reason, and this battle deserves attention from
humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war
against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the
fact
that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from
primaries
and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking
about *todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
Are you suggesting Democrats have in recent years?
No.
Then your statement about "today's Republicans" strike me as being a
bit on the dishonest side on its face. If "today's Democrats"
haven't done so either then the purpose of your statement appears to
be to mislead.
Oh, that's a good one, and right in the face of jwk's comment about
*today's Republicans.
It was a company out of Texas with strong Republican ties that
went to great lengths under contract with a Republican run state
government in Florida to remove many blacks from the voting rolls
in Florida in 2000.
They removed more whites than blacks.
Yeah right! That is clearly not what was reported and it also
doesn't make sense. A majority of those on the ineligibility list
(many of whom actually had their rights restored) were African
Americans (65% of the list).
That simply is not the case.
Blacks voted over 90% for Democrats. Republicans put into play
mechanisms that disproportionately adversely effected Blacks in
Florida. With such a high percentage otherwise going for Democrats
even a few White voters lost still added up to a net gain for
Republicans.
The Republicans tried again to pull the same stunt this
last election but were caught red-handed when it was pointed out
that, out of the thousands of names, only a few Hispanic names could
be found. Since Blacks tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats
while Hispanics tend to vote Republican, they were called on it and
only then had to back down this time.
More spin from the Democratic Talking Points.
Is that your way of saying it didn't happen or just your way of
dismissing an embarrasing truth?
That's my way of saying that you are repeating the lies of the
Democratic Party's spinmeisters.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Save Your Dixie Cups, The South Will Rise Again!
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| User: "A. Carlson" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
24 Nov 2004 02:03:46 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:32:05 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:75c8q0hbgikki7r3cqv33tq84o6utltf8n@4ax.com:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:47:58 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fkj7q0dnrgjtj2rghtb8us9jmdu8if9kms@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:32:06 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
"A. Carlson" <amcarls@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3167q0h0q565vfttmnmsmgionh46clsh8d@4ax.com:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) wrote in
news:c6f5ba32.0411230834.67d486dd@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan
defended
the merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all
over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle
the achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal,
environmentalism, civil rights and civil liberties. But now
rightwing social conservatives, our home-grown
fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel the scaffolding of
science and reason, and this battle deserves attention from
humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war
against evolution being waged in America's classrooms and
courtrooms, parks and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at
http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the
fact
that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil
Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from
primaries
and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
Your argument is some 40 years out-of-date. We are talking
about *todays Republicans. Nice spin though. I'm sure many
conservatives bought it.
*todays Republicans haven't passed any Jim Crow laws or banned
blacks from primaries.
Are you suggesting Democrats have in recent years?
No.
Then your statement about "today's Republicans" strike me as being a
bit on the dishonest side on its face. If "today's Democrats"
haven't done so either then the purpose of your statement appears to
be to mislead.
Oh, that's a good one, and right in the face of jwk's comment about
*today's Republicans.
It was a company out of Texas with strong Republican ties that
went to great lengths under contract with a Republican run state
government in Florida to remove many blacks from the voting rolls
in Florida in 2000.
They removed more whites than blacks.
Yeah right! That is clearly not what was reported and it also
doesn't make sense. A majority of those on the ineligibility list
(many of whom actually had their rights restored) were African
Americans (65% of the list).
That simply is not the case.
Blacks voted over 90% for Democrats. Republicans put into play
mechanisms that disproportionately adversely effected Blacks in
Florida. With such a high percentage otherwise going for Democrats
even a few White voters lost still added up to a net gain for
Republicans.
The Republicans tried again to pull the same stunt this
last election but were caught red-handed when it was pointed out
that, out of the thousands of names, only a few Hispanic names could
be found. Since Blacks tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats
while Hispanics tend to vote Republican, they were called on it and
only then had to back down this time.
More spin from the Democratic Talking Points.
Is that your way of saying it didn't happen or just your way of
dismissing an embarrasing truth?
That's my way of saying that you are repeating the lies of the
Democratic Party's spinmeisters.
How are they 'lies', as you put it? I think that you're the one that
is lying here by dismissing valid truths simply as being 'spin' from
the Democrats as though it either didn't matter or didn't happen.
I can judge for myself what is relevent and what is not. The
pertinent information concerning this election was obtained through
freedom of information act and reported on by the media. Yes, indeed
the Democratic party did repeat what was being reported. I don't
blame them so for doing that. That doesn't in and of itself make it
'spin'.
I guess your answer to my question was, in effect, that the tag of
'Democratic spin' is how you are dismissing embarrasing truths.
Alex
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| User: "fencingsax" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
22 Nov 2004 08:26:37 PM |
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Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
----------------------------------------------------
Some days it feels like 1925--when William Jennings Bryan defended the
merits of creationism in the Scopes Monkey trial--all over again.
I've written before about how the Right wants to dismantle the
achievements of the 20th century--the New Deal, environmentalism,
civil rights and civil liberties. But now rightwing social
conservatives, our home-grown fundamentalists, are seeking to unravel
the scaffolding of science and reason, and this battle deserves
attention from humanists of all stripes. One of the most virulent
expressions of the rightwing assault on modernity is the war against
evolution being waged in America's classrooms and courtrooms, parks
and civic institutions.
------------------------------------------------------
Read it at http://www.thenation.com/edcut/index.mhtml?pid=2010
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws. While it is true that many
conservatives oppose some aspects of the modern civil rights movement,
the opposition is often due to the unconstitutional methods employed to
enact "legislation" favoring small minorities by using activist judges,
rather than going through the state legislatures.
Klaus
It seems you are not aware of several things.
1. Jason is just relaying the article, not giving any opinion.
2. The republican statement is misleading, because back then the
dixiecrats were still democrats, and against civil rights. Their
opinions transferred to the republicans after LBJ passed the civil
rights bill. Stop misleading people, whether intentionally or
unintentionally.
And what "unconstiutional" methods are used by "activist" judges? Are
you talking about Gay marriage? Something else?
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Henry Barwood" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
22 Nov 2004 06:08:16 PM |
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Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Snip
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
No those were enacted by "Dixiecrats", who all joined the Republican
Church in 1964 when Barry Goldwater ran!
While it is true that many
conservatives oppose some aspects of the modern civil rights movement,
the opposition is often due to the unconstitutional methods employed to
enact "legislation" favoring small minorities by using activist judges,
rather than going through the state legislatures.
ROTFLMAS. I guess that is why King Dubya plans on packing the USSC
with "conservatives".
HB
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Creeping Creationism |
22 Nov 2004 07:23:26 PM |
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(Henry Barwood) wrote in
news:b7d7aaf9.0411221621.1b464086@posting.google.com:
Klaus Hellnick <khellSPAMnick@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<zVlod.29784$g21.12517@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
Snip
Hmmm, seems almost like the author is not even aware of the fact that
Republicans, unlike the Democrats, heavily supported the Civil Rights
Act. It was not the Republicans that banned blacks from primaries and
passed the infamous Jim Crow laws.
No those were enacted by "Dixiecrats", who all joined the Republican
Church in 1964 when Barry Goldwater ran!
In fact very few of the Dixiecrat politicians changed parties.
While it is true that many
conservatives oppose some aspects of the modern civil rights
movement, the opposition is often due to the unconstitutional methods
employed to enact "legislation" favoring small minorities by using
activist judges, rather than going through the state legislatures.
ROTFLMAS. I guess that is why King Dubya plans on packing the USSC
with "conservatives".
HB
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Fred Sto | | | |
