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"Jason Spaceman" |
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23 Jan 2004 01:54:20 AM |
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Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
I believe this was written by the guy who is pushing for ID in
Montana.
From the article:
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By Curtis Brickley
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma. A
number of school districts and states throughout America are
courageously opposing policies and curriculum that encourage an
"evolution only" approach to origins science.
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Read the rest at
http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/01/23/opinion/viewpoint/valley.txt
J. Spaceman
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
23 Jan 2004 05:45:18 PM |
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Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma. A
number of school districts and states throughout America are
courageously opposing policies and curriculum that encourage an
"evolution only" approach to origins science.
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ID is a 21st century advance in science, whereas evolution is 19th century
dogma? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ID pre-date Darwinian
evolution? Willian Paley(1743-1805) and all that stuff?
J. Spaceman
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| User: "I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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23 Jan 2004 06:36:32 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:busbk9$ku44f$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma. A
number of school districts and states throughout America are
courageously opposing policies and curriculum that encourage an
"evolution only" approach to origins science.
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ID is a 21st century advance in science, whereas evolution is 19th century
dogma? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ID pre-date Darwinian
evolution? Willian Paley(1743-1805) and all that stuff?
Actually I think 600 BC is a more accurate date. It hasn't changed since
then.
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Rev. Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
24 Jan 2004 04:18:46 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:36:32 +0000 (UTC), "I Think..Therefore I Am
Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:busbk9$ku44f$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
ID is a 21st century advance in science, whereas evolution is 19th century
dogma? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ID pre-date Darwinian
evolution? Willian Paley(1743-1805) and all that stuff?
Actually I think 600 BC is a more accurate date. It hasn't changed since
then.
Perhaps even older: when the idea of "creator gods" was born. This
could be anywhere from 7,000 years ago to many hundreds of thousands
of years ago. "Intelligent Design" is no more "modern" than human
ignorance.
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"To the bat tank!" --- Tank Girl
Asking a Creationist for scientific evidence is like asking a hippo to ride
a unicycle.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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24 Jan 2004 10:00:09 PM |
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And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:18:46 +0000 didst Rev. Desertphile speak
thusly:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:36:32 +0000 (UTC), "I Think..Therefore I Am
Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:busbk9$ku44f$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
ID is a 21st century advance in science, whereas evolution is 19th century
dogma? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ID pre-date Darwinian
evolution? Willian Paley(1743-1805) and all that stuff?
Actually I think 600 BC is a more accurate date. It hasn't changed since
then.
Perhaps even older: when the idea of "creator gods" was born. This
could be anywhere from 7,000 years ago to many hundreds of thousands
of years ago. "Intelligent Design" is no more "modern" than human
ignorance.
Definitely. Mythologies are often "just so stories." The idea that some
supernatural being "designed" things is old as belief in deities (which
goes waaaaay back).
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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24 Jan 2004 10:47:41 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Rev. Desertphile wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:36:32 +0000 (UTC), "I Think..Therefore I Am
Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKnotmyemail.com> wrote:
"Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message
news:busbk9$ku44f$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
ID is a 21st century advance in science, whereas evolution is 19th century
dogma? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ID pre-date Darwinian
evolution? Willian Paley(1743-1805) and all that stuff?
Actually I think 600 BC is a more accurate date. It hasn't changed since
then.
Perhaps even older: when the idea of "creator gods" was born. This
could be anywhere from 7,000 years ago to many hundreds of thousands
of years ago. "Intelligent Design" is no more "modern" than human
ignorance.
It was a medieval attempt to prove the existance of god. It failed
for the obvious reasons. The designer had to have been dimwitted and
uncreative. He couldn't even design eyes to last a lifetime and really
screwed on the design for the back.
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Palestinians are the only occupied people in the world asked
to guarantee the security of the occupation forces.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 2972
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24 Jan 2004 05:16:15 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:45:18 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote:
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma. A
number of school districts and states throughout America are
courageously opposing policies and curriculum that encourage an
"evolution only" approach to origins science.
----------------------------------------
ID is a 21st century advance in science, whereas evolution is 19th century
dogma? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ID pre-date Darwinian
evolution? Willian Paley(1743-1805) and all that stuff?
isn't plaey's ism more about infering things about heaven by studying
the nature which was created by it? ie, isnt god nice for giving
those wasps figs to live in.
snip
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| User: "Steven Carr" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
25 Jan 2004 04:57:27 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:45:18 +0000 (UTC), Jason Spaceman
<I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote:
ID is a 21st century advance in science, whereas evolution is 19th century
dogma? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ID pre-date Darwinian
evolution? Willian Paley(1743-1805) and all that stuff?
That's what Demsbki says.
http://www.meta-library.net/id-wd/situa-frame.html
Steven Carr
steven@bowness.demon.co.uk
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/
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| User: "John Norris" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
23 Jan 2004 10:35:49 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote in message news:<3hk110the611thqi1e3p6u7mrqljl90p63@4ax.com>...
I believe this was written by the guy who is pushing for ID in
Montana.
From the article:
-------------------------------------------
By Curtis Brickley
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma. A
number of school districts and states throughout America are
courageously opposing policies and curriculum that encourage an
"evolution only" approach to origins science.
----------------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/01/23/opinion/viewpoint/valley.txt
J. Spaceman
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view. It is disturbing that there are efforts to
exclude from the curriculum responsible criticism of Darwinism. There
is nothing to be lost, and everything to be gained, from free and open
inquiry."
This summation of a 1998 U.S. Commission on Civil Rights hearing on
"Curriculum Controversies in Biology" is offered by then sitting board
member Robert P. George, McCormick.
On the one hand, Christian fundamentalists demand their version of a
"fair and balanced" view on matters evolutionary. Curtis Brickley
wrote they are "educating students about 21st century advances in
science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma."
On the other hand, these same Christian fundamentalists are demanding
that students be indoctrinated with abstinence only dogma. They
wishfully think they are preparing students to function in the 21st
century by indoctrinating them with 19th century Victorian dogma.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds. They can
choose between sane, rational sexual behavior or the abstinence dogma.
They can only do that when they are presented with both side of the
argument. Teachers who's classes cover the controversy should be
required by law to present sound, medical sex education about
homosexuality, pregnancy, intercourse, and all variations of sexual
practice. The kids can determine for themselves what to believe.
After all, that would be fair and balanced.
"There is nothing to be lost, and everything to be gained, from free
and open inquiry."
JohnN
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Jan 2004 06:00:15 PM |
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And so upon Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 didst John Norris speak
thusly:
"There is nothing to be lost, and everything to be gained, from free
and open inquiry."
Next up: Intelligent Demonic Possession vs. The Germ Theory...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Rev. Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
24 Jan 2004 04:18:43 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:00:15 +0000 (UTC), "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 didst John Norris speak
thusly:
"There is nothing to be lost, and everything to be gained, from free
and open inquiry."
Next up: Intelligent Demonic Possession vs. The Germ Theory...
LOL.
"No one knows how long division works. Therefore, Intelligent Division
(ID) should be taught in public school."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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"To the bat tank!" --- Tank Girl
Asking a Creationist for scientific evidence is like asking a hippo to ride
a unicycle.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Jan 2004 10:00:29 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
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"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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24 Jan 2004 10:00:34 PM |
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And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
26 Jan 2004 12:54:51 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Jan 2004 11:34:16 AM |
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And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:54:51 +0000 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
Equal time for Intelligent Grappling!!!!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "johac" |
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27 Jan 2004 12:30:19 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.01.26.17.33.38.800182@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:54:51 +0000 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
Equal time for Intelligent Grappling!!!!
Let's pass a Constitutional amendment allowing the tecahing of IG in
schools!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, bit in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
26 Jan 2004 01:59:15 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.01.26.17.33.38.800182@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:54:51 +0000 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
Equal time for Intelligent Grappling!!!!
Hmmm, sounds kinky ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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26 Jan 2004 02:08:47 PM |
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Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
Equal time for Intelligent Grappling!!!!
Hmmm, sounds kinky ;)
And this is a bad thing, how?
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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26 Jan 2004 05:13:36 PM |
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And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:08:47 +0000 didst Lord Calvert speak
thusly:
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
Equal time for Intelligent Grappling!!!!
Hmmm, sounds kinky ;)
And this is a bad thing, how?
Huh?
But-but "kinky" is a compliment isn't it???
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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26 Jan 2004 05:13:18 PM |
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And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:59:15 +0000 didst Robibnikoff speak
thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.26.17.33.38.800182@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:54:51 +0000 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
Equal time for Intelligent Grappling!!!!
Hmmm, sounds kinky ;)
I have diagrams.
<titter>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
26 Jan 2004 05:51:33 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:59:15 +0000 didst Robibnikoff speak
thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.26.17.33.38.800182@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:54:51 +0000 didst johac speak thusly:
In article <pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
Equal time for Intelligent Grappling!!!!
Hmmm, sounds kinky ;)
I have diagrams.
<titter>
All bodies attract each other. This is simply naturism in another
guise...
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John Wilkins
wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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05 Feb 2004 12:26:17 PM |
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In article <jhachm-52310F.22565825012004@news-60.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
In article <pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi>,
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
Gravity is only a 'theory' you know.
But the building built ingoring it fall down whether in Turkey or NYC,
regardless of whether the building inspectors have been paid off.
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26 Jan 2004 09:21:09 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:00:34 +0000 (UTC), "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi>, Message ID:
<pan.2004.01.25.03.59.38.900130@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in alt.atheism;
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
There's no such thing as gravity. The earth sucks.
(yeah, I know....the tagline's ancient)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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25 Jan 2004 01:43:26 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:00:34 +0000 (UTC), "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> posted in alt.atheism:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
And I really think we should allow children to decide for themselves
whether bullets really kill, and whether people who have been
"fatally" shot are really dead, or have just entered a different form
of existence.
Oh, and we should allow all students to decide what their marks will
be. Why should some teacher, who's obviously biased by "conventional
thinking", grade them? Why isn't 2 right out of 10 questions 100%?
Just because some scientists say so?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
25 Jan 2004 05:00:10 PM |
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And so upon Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:43:26 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:00:34 +0000 (UTC), "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> posted in alt.atheism:
And so upon Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:00:29 +0000 didst Al Klein speak thusly:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:35:49 +0000 (UTC), (John
Norris) posted in alt.atheism:
From the article:
"Authentic education plainly requires fair consideration of all
reasonable points of view.
True, which is exactly why ID shouldn't be taught.
Students should be allowed to make up their own minds.
Should they also be allowed to make up there own minds that 2 + 2 = 3,
and that f != ma?
And whether or not this "gravity" thing really exists!
And I really think we should allow children to decide for themselves
whether bullets really kill, and whether people who have been
"fatally" shot are really dead, or have just entered a different form
of existence.
Oh, and we should allow all students to decide what their marks will
be. Why should some teacher, who's obviously biased by "conventional
thinking", grade them? Why isn't 2 right out of 10 questions 100%?
Just because some scientists say so?
Its zat dam sekloor rilijun!
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| User: "Cheezits" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
23 Jan 2004 11:11:15 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote:
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma.
By teaching 2000-year-old myths!!!
Where is Darby, anyway?
Sue
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
23 Jan 2004 12:45:51 PM |
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"Cheezits" <cheezits32@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94797B0A8BD27cheezitsnetzeronet@129.250.170.84...
Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote:
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma.
By teaching 2000-year-old myths!!!
Where is Darby, anyway?
It's near Bedrock.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
23 Jan 2004 10:00:28 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:11:15 +0000 (UTC), Cheezits
<cheezits32@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Jason Spaceman <I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> wrote:
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma.
By teaching 2000-year-old myths!!!
Where is Darby, anyway?
Montana.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Students will benefit from ID education |
23 Jan 2004 09:17:37 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:54:20 +0000 (UTC) the ET form known as Jason
Spaceman<I@Eat.Spammers.For.Breakfast.com> sent a radio signal across
the vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Today, more than five years later, Darby public schools joins the long
list of school districts that are challenging the status quo by
preparing their students to enter into the controversial debate over
biological origins by educating students about 21st century advances
in science, free from the academic restraints of 19th century dogma.
As oppose to a roundabout way of preparing them for a 1st century
illusion.
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