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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Jason Spaceman" |
| Date: |
17 Dec 2003 06:12:35 AM |
| Object: |
Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
From the article:
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The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"hopeful monsters." The latter teaches giant mutations that appear all
at once. This theory was developed because former evolutionary
theories could not explain the total non-existence of transitional
forms.
Why not allow both to be taught in our public schools? Show the
strengths and weaknesses of both sides. Let the students use critical
thinking to weigh the evidence. I think that evolution is so weak that
its defenders must censure intelligent design for fear of the truth.
Let science be science, and experiment by considering all the facts.
It is not fair to our children's development to limit their education.
Aren't evolutionists exhibiting a double standard when they are
intolerant of another viewpoint?
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Read the rest at http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2003/12/16/build/education/id-opinion.php?nnn=3
or
http://tinyurl.com/zm9v
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 12:33:24 PM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
---------------------------
The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"hopeful monsters." The latter teaches giant mutations that appear all
at once. This theory was developed because former evolutionary
theories could not explain the total non-existence of transitional
forms.
Why not allow both to be taught in our public schools?
Absolutely right, both should be taught in our schools.
Evolution should be taught in science classes, since it
is a scientific theory. Creation should be taught in
Religious Education classes, since it is religious dogma.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
..
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| User: "Steven J." |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 10:58:26 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:b9401f8a.0312170418.79d14ebd@posting.google.com...
From the article:
---------------------------
The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"hopeful monsters." The latter teaches giant mutations that appear all
at once. This theory was developed because former evolutionary
theories could not explain the total non-existence of transitional
forms.
The author has two points: first, that apparently legislatures have not
passed laws stating, and courts have not issued judgments decreeing, that
it's actually illegal to teach creationism in public schools. It's only
illegal to require that it be taught. This has little to do with the
scientific validity, or rather lack thereof, of creationism, but the author
does not want to be seen arguing for a defeated position.
Second, the author seems to misunderstand the theory (or theories) to which
he wants alternatives taught. While Gould emphasized, on occasion, sudden
changes in morphology by mutations of regularatory genes, for the most part
the changes in punctuated equilibrium are as small and gradual as in
classical Darwinism. They simply take place in faster succession, and in
isolated local populations while most of the species remains unchanged. Nor
does the author seem to understand the difference between mutations as a
source of new variation for natural selection to act on, and mutation taking
over from natural selection as an explanation.
Why not allow both to be taught in our public schools? Show the
strengths and weaknesses of both sides. Let the students use critical
thinking to weigh the evidence. I think that evolution is so weak that
its defenders must censure intelligent design for fear of the truth.
Let science be science, and experiment by considering all the facts.
It is not fair to our children's development to limit their education.
Aren't evolutionists exhibiting a double standard when they are
intolerant of another viewpoint?
Make that two and a half points. I have this sneaking suspicion that if one
could clear up the author's misunderstandings of evolutionary theory, he
would still feel that it was intolerant not to seek out and present
antievolutionary views.
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Read the rest at
http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2003/12/16/build/education/id-opinion.php?nnn=3
or
http://tinyurl.com/zm9v
J. Spaceman
-- Steven J.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 07:37:23 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:b9401f8a.0312170418.79d14ebd@posting.google.com...
From the article:
---------------------------
The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"hopeful monsters." The latter teaches giant mutations that appear all
at once. This theory was developed because former evolutionary
theories could not explain the total non-existence of transitional
forms.
Why not allow both to be taught in our public schools? Show the
strengths and weaknesses of both sides. Let the students use critical
thinking to weigh the evidence. I think that evolution is so weak that
its defenders must censure intelligent design for fear of the truth.
Let science be science, and experiment by considering all the facts.
It is not fair to our children's development to limit their education.
Aren't evolutionists exhibiting a double standard when they are
intolerant of another viewpoint?
Excellent point! I totally agree!
---------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2003/12/16/build/education/id-opinion.ph
p?nnn=3
or
http://tinyurl.com/zm9v
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 07:50:36 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
news:u3ZDb.42484$dP1.166022@newsc.telia.net:
"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
news:b9401f8a.0312170418.79d14ebd@posting.google.com...
From the article:
---------------------------
The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"hopeful monsters." The latter teaches giant mutations that appear
all at once. This theory was developed because former evolutionary
theories could not explain the total non-existence of transitional
forms.
Why not allow both to be taught in our public schools? Show the
strengths and weaknesses of both sides. Let the students use critical
thinking to weigh the evidence. I think that evolution is so weak
that its defenders must censure intelligent design for fear of the
truth. Let science be science, and experiment by considering all the
facts. It is not fair to our children's development to limit their
education. Aren't evolutionists exhibiting a double standard when
they are intolerant of another viewpoint?
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching critical
thinking skills in school.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 08:35:18 AM |
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
---------------------------
The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"hopeful monsters." The latter teaches giant mutations that appear
all at once. This theory was developed because former evolutionary
theories could not explain the total non-existence of transitional
forms.
Why not allow both to be taught in our public schools? Show the
strengths and weaknesses of both sides. Let the students use critical
thinking to weigh the evidence. I think that evolution is so weak
that its defenders must censure intelligent design for fear of the
truth. Let science be science, and experiment by considering all the
facts. It is not fair to our children's development to limit their
education. Aren't evolutionists exhibiting a double standard when
they are intolerant of another viewpoint?
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 09:06:37 AM |
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Woden" <woden@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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"Jason Spaceman" <jspaceman@linuxquestions.net> wrote in message
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From the article:
---------------------------
The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"hopeful monsters." The latter teaches giant mutations that appear
all at once. This theory was developed because former evolutionary
theories could not explain the total non-existence of transitional
forms.
Why not allow both to be taught in our public schools? Show the
strengths and weaknesses of both sides. Let the students use critical
thinking to weigh the evidence. I think that evolution is so weak
that its defenders must censure intelligent design for fear of the
truth. Let science be science, and experiment by considering all the
facts. It is not fair to our children's development to limit their
education. Aren't evolutionists exhibiting a double standard when
they are intolerant of another viewpoint?
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
.
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 10:38:00 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 12:07:31 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma, this now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
.
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
18 Dec 2003 02:09:05 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma, this now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
18 Dec 2003 02:26:04 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma, this now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
Why should it?
.
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
18 Dec 2003 09:30:31 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to
criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that
the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma, this
now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
Why should it?
Why not look up the definition of dogma? It's not your retriever's mam.
.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
19 Dec 2003 06:30:55 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start
teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to
criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that
the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma, this
now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
Why should it?
Why not look up the definition of dogma? It's not your retriever's mam.
You do not explain why literal interpretation of Genesis should be a dogma
in itself! This is much more subtile then you actually seem to realize.
.
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
19 Dec 2003 07:41:37 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
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Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start
teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education
system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to
criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then
that
the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your
turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma,
this
now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
Why should it?
Why not look up the definition of dogma? It's not your retriever's mam.
You do not explain why literal interpretation of Genesis should be a dogma
in itself! This is much more subtile then you actually seem to realize.
Enlighten me.
.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
19 Dec 2003 10:22:07 AM |
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Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start
teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education
system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to
criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then
that
the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your
turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma,
this
now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
Why should it?
Why not look up the definition of dogma? It's not your retriever's
mam.
You do not explain why literal interpretation of Genesis should be a
dogma
in itself! This is much more subtile then you actually seem to realize.
Enlighten me.
Useless, you display fixed ideas. Analyse what you said, it is nonsense!
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
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28 Dec 2003 06:17:47 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
news:u3ZDb.42484$dP1.166022@newsc.telia.net:
snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start
teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education
system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to
criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems
then
that
the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your
turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma,
this
now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
Why should it?
Why not look up the definition of dogma? It's not your retriever's
mam.
You do not explain why literal interpretation of Genesis should be a
dogma
in itself! This is much more subtile then you actually seem to
realize.
Enlighten me.
Useless, you display fixed ideas. Analyse what you said, it is nonsense!
Poor Geoff, you have been cornered by the usual Roadrunner reply (or
non-reply), that he can't explain anything to you, or answer any question or
criticism, simply because you are not open-minded enough. It's his usual
catch-all tactic.
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
If anything could be considered dogma, a religious demand that we believe a
literal interpretation of Genesis, has to be it.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Seppo Pietikainen" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
19 Dec 2003 09:19:15 AM |
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Roadrunner wrote:
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
news:u3ZDb.42484$dP1.166022@newsc.telia.net:
snip
Excellent point! I totally agree!
Yeah, it would be great -- now if we would only start
teaching
critical
thinking skills in school.
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to
criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that
the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
What about applying your superior critical reasoning to your
religious dogma.
Would be hard to do as I have not adopted any religious dogma, this
now
would be much easier for you to do, not so?
Literal interpretation of Genesis is not dogma?
Why should it?
Why not look up the definition of dogma? It's not your retriever's mam.
You do not explain why literal interpretation of Genesis should be a dogma
in itself! This is much more subtile then you actually seem to realize.
Don't you worry none, RR. It's been sub-tile for more than just decades.
Seppo P.
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 10:56:53 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in news:in_Db.42518
$dP1.166025@newsc.telia.net:
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools.
The opposite is readily apparent from the people you presume to project
your failings on, Clamrunner.
I in fact did.
Too bad you stopped doing so after you discovered anti-science, such as
Elron Hubbard's insanity.
It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me.
Since it didn't try.
The moment you ran into real pratictioners, you went belly up immediately.
I doubt the "Audtitors" even broke a sweat.
Your turn.....
Again? You are too easy a target to make a truly interesting punching bag,
Clamrunner.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 12:08:54 PM |
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"Eric Gill" <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9454708ED9E08ericvgillyahoocom@24.28.95.158...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in news:in_Db.42518
$dP1.166025@newsc.telia.net:
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools.
The opposite is readily apparent from the people you presume to project
your failings on, Clamrunner.
I in fact did.
Too bad you stopped doing so after you discovered anti-science, such as
Elron Hubbard's insanity.
It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me.
Since it didn't try.
The moment you ran into real pratictioners, you went belly up immediately.
I doubt the "Audtitors" even broke a sweat.
Crawl back under your rock, Herr Nazi Doctrine Lover........ Don't try to
discuss subjects you have no inkling about.
Your turn.....
Again? You are too easy a target to make a truly interesting punching bag,
Clamrunner.
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| User: "Eric Gill" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 05:52:52 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
news:121Eb.42553$dP1.166355@newsc.telia.net:
"Eric Gill" <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9454708ED9E08ericvgillyahoocom@24.28.95.158...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in news:in_Db.42518
$dP1.166025@newsc.telia.net:
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to
criticize information given at schools.
The opposite is readily apparent from the people you presume to
project your failings on, Clamrunner.
I in fact did.
Too bad you stopped doing so after you discovered anti-science, such
as Elron Hubbard's insanity.
It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me.
Since it didn't try.
The moment you ran into real pratictioners, you went belly up
immediately. I doubt the "Audtitors" even broke a sweat.
Crawl back under your rock, Herr Nazi Doctrine Lover...
Tsk.
Clamrunner, it was pathetic enough you came up with this stupidity after
*you* were the one spouting Nazi propoganda. Your broken-record
repetition of it is simply retarded.
..... Don't
try to discuss subjects you have no inkling about.
I don't.
But you really should *try* to cut down on the hypocrisy, Clamrunner.
Your turn.....
Again? You are too easy a target to make a truly interesting punching
bag, Clamrunner.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 04:29:32 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote:
Crawl back under your rock, Herr Nazi
^^^^
Stop right there. Don't forget - we know what you are.
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| User: "Richard Kemp" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 07:30:36 PM |
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In article <3gm1uvkohi06skncgbptgkak9k2qpqr5kc@news.supernews.com>,
"trebor@sirius.com.no.more" <user@example.com> wrote:
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote:
Crawl back under your rock, Herr Nazi
^^^^
Stop right there. Don't forget - we know what you are.
And Roadrunner loses the debate, as per Godwin's law:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GodwinsLaw
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Attention: Spam block in use!
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| User: "Richard Kemp" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 09:43:48 AM |
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The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"Adaptation by use" was Lamarck, wasn't it, rather than Darwin?
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Attention: Spam block in use!
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 09:49:34 PM |
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Richard Kemp <rk237_notospam_@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
The knowledge base of science has grown at an exponential rate since
the Scope's trial. Evolutionary theory has evolved itself from
Darwin's "adaptation by use," through Neo-Darwinism's "adaptation
through mutations," to today's "punctuated equilibrium" and its
"Adaptation by use" was Lamarck, wasn't it, rather than Darwin?
Darwin felt that use of an organ or trait would ensure it was passed on
unchanged, and that disuse of an organ would mean it degraded. Lamarck
believed also that traits acquired during one's lifetime would be passed
on to progeny.
This was abandoned in the 1890s through to the 1930s. Weismann opposed
it strongly, and his views have become the prevailing ones, although for
other reasons than he thought. Acc. to Weismann, an organ was maintained
at an adaptive level by selection, and when selection was relaxed, it
degraded, which is almost the complete inverse of Darwin's view. he did,
however, say that Darwin had raised the right questions.
--
John Wilkins - wilkins.id.au
[I]magine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "...interesting
hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? ...
must have been made to have me in it." Douglas Adams, Salmon of Doubt
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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17 Dec 2003 03:22:57 PM |
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Roadrunner<pegasus@privat.utfors.se> sent a radio signal across the
vast expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
I can't helped you people were not able to get yourself to criticize
information given at schools. I in fact did. It seems then that the
schoolsystem did not succeed in brainwashing me. Your turn.....
You do not seem to have learnt anything basic either. Like, for
example, what a theory is.
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 09:43:16 AM |
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"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:YVZDb.413986$275.1291857@attbi_s53...
[...]
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
Oh, are you Swedish too?
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 10:38:33 AM |
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"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:brptom$589@library2.airnews.net...
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:YVZDb.413986$275.1291857@attbi_s53...
[...]
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
Oh, are you Swedish too?
He's Swedish?
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| User: "Kjell Stahl" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
17 Dec 2003 11:16:37 AM |
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In <<8J%Db.136463$_M.692550@attbi_s54>>, Geoff Offermann
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:brptom$589@library2.airnews.net...
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:YVZDb.413986$275.1291857@attbi_s53...
[...]
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
Oh, are you Swedish too?
He's Swedish?
He lives here, but I don't think he's Swedish.
Religion has very little influence in politcs here, a fact I am ever
grateful for. In fact, before I discovered the T.O. website and
newsgroup I had no idea there were people who still believed in the
old biblical creation story. Sure, maybe some nutcases, just like
flat earthists etc, but no more than that.
We have no real fundamentalists in Sweden that I know of, and the
Jehovah's Witnesses etc have exactly zero influence, except in their
own schools of course.
Or maybe I've just lived a very sheltered life.
--
Kjell S.
Email: e97_kjs (AT) e.kth.se
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
18 Dec 2003 02:09:55 PM |
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"Kjell Stahl" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a4aae94d25550d9989688@news.individual.net...
In <<8J%Db.136463$_M.692550@attbi_s54>>, Geoff Offermann
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:brptom$589@library2.airnews.net...
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:YVZDb.413986$275.1291857@attbi_s53...
[...]
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
Oh, are you Swedish too?
He's Swedish?
He lives here, but I don't think he's Swedish.
Religion has very little influence in politcs here, a fact I am ever
grateful for. In fact, before I discovered the T.O. website and
newsgroup I had no idea there were people who still believed in the
old biblical creation story. Sure, maybe some nutcases, just like
flat earthists etc, but no more than that.
We have no real fundamentalists in Sweden that I know of, and the
Jehovah's Witnesses etc have exactly zero influence, except in their
own schools of course.
Or maybe I've just lived a very sheltered life.
How's the immigration policy?
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| User: "Kjell Stahl" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
18 Dec 2003 04:55:42 PM |
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In <<OVnEb.595634$Fm2.546029@attbi_s04>>, Geoff Offermann
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Kjell Stahl" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a4aae94d25550d9989688@news.individual.net...
In <<8J%Db.136463$_M.692550@attbi_s54>>, Geoff Offermann
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:brptom$589@library2.airnews.net...
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:YVZDb.413986$275.1291857@attbi_s53...
[...]
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
Oh, are you Swedish too?
He's Swedish?
He lives here, but I don't think he's Swedish.
Religion has very little influence in politcs here, a fact I am ever
grateful for. In fact, before I discovered the T.O. website and
newsgroup I had no idea there were people who still believed in the
old biblical creation story. Sure, maybe some nutcases, just like
flat earthists etc, but no more than that.
We have no real fundamentalists in Sweden that I know of, and the
Jehovah's Witnesses etc have exactly zero influence, except in their
own schools of course.
Or maybe I've just lived a very sheltered life.
How's the immigration policy?
Sorry, we don't allow capitalist pigs or imperialists into our
socialist workers paradise.
--
Kjell S.
Email: e97_kjs (AT) e.kth.se
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Op-Ed: Teach creation science and evolution |
18 Dec 2003 05:36:18 PM |
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Kjell Stahl <me@privacy.net> wrote:
In <<OVnEb.595634$Fm2.546029@attbi_s04>>, Geoff Offermann
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Kjell Stahl" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a4aae94d25550d9989688@news.individual.net...
In <<8J%Db.136463$_M.692550@attbi_s54>>, Geoff Offermann
<gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net> wrote in message
news:brptom$589@library2.airnews.net...
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:YVZDb.413986$275.1291857@attbi_s53...
[...]
Roadrunner is an excellent example of how our education system
has failed us in this regard.
Oh, are you Swedish too?
He's Swedish?
He lives here, but I don't think he's Swedish.
Religion has very little influence in politcs here, a fact I am ever
grateful for. In fact, before I discovered the T.O. website and
newsgroup I had no idea there were people who still believed in the
old biblical creation story. Sure, maybe some nutcases, just like
flat earthists etc, but no more than that.
We have no real fundamentalists in Sweden that I know of, and the
Jehovah's Witnesses etc have exactly zero influence, except in their
own schools of course.
Or maybe I've just lived a very sheltered life.
How's the immigration policy?
Sorry, we don't allow capitalist pigs or imperialists into our
socialist workers paradise.
Oh, really?
http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/testimonials/immigration/swedish-ventur
e-capitalist.html
8-P
--
John Wilkins - wilkins.id.au
[I]magine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "...interesting
hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? ...
must have been made to have me in it." Douglas Adams, Salmon of Doubt
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