Many of the TO usenet board members are afterall some of the smartest,
best educated, and most experienced scientists on the web; and they
comment regularly on the EvC issue, it's their re`son detre. So I
gotta believe you know you're going to get caught each and every time
you tell a lie.

Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message
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From the article:
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Critical thinking requires the ability to evaluate conflicting
information and arrive at a conclusion that stands the test of
qualified peer revue. Mr. Schneeberger questions the scientific
credentials of the proponents of ID, but among the 300 scientists
presently advocating ID, Henry Shaeffer is a five-time Nobel nominee.
He has written at least 1,000 scientific publications.

Out of interest, I did a PubMed search on Henry Shaeffer. There were
no references found.

--
Dave Fritzinger

Dr. Richard von
Sternberg is a biologist at the Smithsonian Institution and is also
with the National Institute of Health's National Center for
Biotechnology Information.

As to science class not being a place for the exercising of religious
and political agendas I say fine. As stated above, I don't care what
you call the class. Just present opposing views to the students and
allow them to draw their own conclusions. Above all, dispense with the
hypocrisy of pretending that secular humanism is not the religion of
the left, and that it is not part of a political agenda.
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J. Spaceman

Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast.com> wrote in message news:<orgp00psbb5o63pvab4nhbbf08ck85c4nr@4ax.com>...

From the article:
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Critical thinking requires the ability to evaluate conflicting
information and arrive at a conclusion that stands the test of
qualified peer revue. Mr. Schneeberger questions the scientific
credentials of the proponents of ID, but among the 300 scientists
presently advocating ID, Henry Shaeffer is a five-time Nobel nominee.
He has written at least 1,000 scientific publications. Dr. Richard von
Sternberg is a biologist at the Smithsonian Institution and is also
with the National Institute of Health's National Center for
Biotechnology Information.

I've never heard of this Shaeffer chap. Google finds a few websites
referring to a "Henry Schaeffer" using suspiciously similar wording to
this letter, and there's a reference at
http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/hall/041500.htm suggesting that
he is opposed to ID.

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J. Spaceman

"In 1983 a man named John Dunphy addressed the new role of America's
public schools. His remarks were published in The Humanist, (A
publication devoted to secular humanist ideology). I quote: "The
battle for humankind's future must be fought and won in the public
school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as
proselytizers of a new faith, a religion of humanity. These teachers
must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid
fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort,
utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in
whatever subject they teach. The classroom must and will become an
arena of conflict between the old and the new - the rotting corpse of
Christianity, together with all its adjacent evils and misery, and the
new faith of humanism, resplendent in its promise of a world in which
the never-realized Christian ideal of "love thy neighbor" will be
finally achieved."


Twenty years ago, in 1983, in "The Humanist," a publication that even
humanists don't bother to read because it is filled with drivel.
Amazing that educators supposedly took note of this. I forget, are
humanists the ones with the black helicopters?

Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
Henry Shaeffer is a five-time Nobel nominee.

One win beats a thousand nominations. What is the nominating
process and for what has he been nominated by who?

Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
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Critical thinking requires the ability to evaluate conflicting
information and arrive at a conclusion that stands the test of
qualified peer revue. Mr. Schneeberger questions the scientific
credentials of the proponents of ID, but among the 300 scientists
presently advocating ID, Henry Shaeffer is a five-time Nobel

nominee.

It's Schaeffer (Henry F. Schaeffer, to be precise), by the way.
Oh, and Nobel nominations are secret. This is apparently an
estimate, claimed to have appeared in US News & World Report.

"Todd A. Farmerie" <farmerie@nospam.interfold.com> wrote in message
news:400D1495.6060401@nospam.interfold.com...

Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
----------------------------------------------
Critical thinking requires the ability to evaluate conflicting
information and arrive at a conclusion that stands the test of
qualified peer revue. Mr. Schneeberger questions the scientific
credentials of the proponents of ID, but among the 300 scientists
presently advocating ID, Henry Shaeffer is a five-time Nobel

nominee.

It's Schaeffer (Henry F. Schaeffer, to be precise), by the way.
Oh, and Nobel nominations are secret. This is apparently an
estimate, claimed to have appeared in US News & World Report.

it is there. an acquaintance of mine looked it up. it
is apparently self-reported. then reported by self
as having been reported in us news & world report,
if you catch my meaning.

Jason Spaceman wrote:

From the article:
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Critical thinking requires the ability to evaluate conflicting
information and arrive at a conclusion that stands the test of
qualified peer revue. Mr. Schneeberger questions the scientific
credentials of the proponents of ID, but among the 300 scientists
presently advocating ID, Henry Shaeffer is a five-time Nobel nominee.
He has written at least 1,000 scientific publications. Dr. Richard von
Sternberg is a biologist at the Smithsonian Institution and is also
with the National Institute of Health's National Center for
Biotechnology Information.

The author of this article wouldn't be referring to the DI's "A Scientific
Dissent from Darwinism" (see http://www.discovery.org/articleFiles
PDFs/100ScientistsAd.pdf ) petition when he talks about ". . .300
scientists presently advocating ID. . ."? From what I understand the
statement on the "A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism" list reads:

"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural
selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of
the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

That doesn't mean that all the signatories are "advocating ID", as the
author puts it.

Secondly, how does one get nominated for a Nobel Prize? I thought the

of nominees is kept secret? I've heard that to be nominated for a Nobel
isn't as prestigious as it might sound. For example, quack doctors like
Joel Wallach have been nominated for Nobel Prizes in medicine (see http:/
www.deaddoctors.com/html/nobel.htm ). So it seems the nomination process
isn't the same as, say, the nomination process for the Academy Awards

even to be nominated for an Oscar is considered fairly prestigious.