johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in
news:jhachmann-4FBB11.22354505112006@news.giganews.com:

People who claim that they were led by god are very scary. They
believe that since they are in the right, no one else matters.
Whatever they do is OK, because "God says so".

I too would like to hear what he has to say now that things are
falling apart.

Same thing so many of them say--"dat ol' Debbil, he done did me wrong!"

It's never, ever their fault.

Michael Gray wrote:

On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:50:49 -0600, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <jvqqk2l10ius4n8pvtq5nsq11qou76c3rp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

A Country Ruled by Faith
By Garry Wills

"The right wing in America likes to think that the United States
government was, at its inception, highly religious, specifically
highly Christian, and even more specifically highly biblical. That was
not true of that government or any later government-until 2000, when
the fiction of the past became the reality of the present. George W.
Bush was not only born-again, like Jimmy Carter. His religious
conversion came late, and took place in the political setting of Billy
Graham's ministry to the powerful. He was converted during a stroll
with Graham on his father's Kennebunkport compound. It is true that
Dwight Eisenhower was guided to baptism by Graham. But Eisenhower was
a famous and formed man, the principal military figure of World War
II, the leader of NATO, the president of Columbia University-his
change in religious orientation was just an addition to many prior
achievements. Bush's conversion at a comparatively young stage in his
life was a wrenching away from mainly wasted years. He joined a Bible
study culture in Texas that was unlike anything Eisenhower bought
into...."

The rest can be found at:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19590

--

Most of our presidents were religious, some much more than others.
(Jefferson and Lincoln were deists.) However religion for them was
personal matter until we got to the present boob. Unlike Bush, his
predecessors did not try to force their beliefs on the nation.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

And this 'boob' feels strongly that he is being led by 'God'. *That* should
show the 'faithful' just how easily one can be conned by the clergy. Even a
*President* can be driven to embrace their self-serving delusion. Led by
'God'? Said he felt he was. So what does the 'Pres' say now? That he was
mistaken? Hah! You'll have the cows come home before he admits to *that*.
That 'God' isn't finished 'using' him just yet? Get real. That 'God' *wants*
things this way? Try delusion instead. It answers all the questions.

Greywolf

Are you suggesting that Rev Haggard is lying about being in contact
with God?
He seems like such a nice guy!

Nice like a stomach pump!

Larry

In article <btmdnZBaOZJYXdPYnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:3mqsk21rvoi398i0sfjqkrjetbtkrs1cf0@4ax.com...

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:54:36 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-194DC1.23543604112006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jvqqk2l10ius4n8pvtq5nsq11qou76c3rp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

A Country Ruled by Faith
By Garry Wills

"The right wing in America likes to think that the United States
government was, at its inception, highly religious, specifically
highly Christian, and even more specifically highly biblical. That
was
not true of that government or any later government-until 2000, when
the fiction of the past became the reality of the present. George W.
Bush was not only born-again, like Jimmy Carter. His religious
conversion came late, and took place in the political setting of
Billy
Graham's ministry to the powerful. He was converted during a stroll
with Graham on his father's Kennebunkport compound. It is true that
Dwight Eisenhower was guided to baptism by Graham. But Eisenhower was
a famous and formed man, the principal military figure of World War
II, the leader of NATO, the president of Columbia University-his
change in religious orientation was just an addition to many prior
achievements. Bush's conversion at a comparatively young stage in his
life was a wrenching away from mainly wasted years. He joined a Bible
study culture in Texas that was unlike anything Eisenhower bought
into...."

The rest can be found at:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19590

--

Most of our presidents were religious, some much more than others.
(Jefferson and Lincoln were deists.) However religion for them was
personal matter until we got to the present boob. Unlike Bush, his
predecessors did not try to force their beliefs on the nation.

Not even Reagan?

Reagan was sneaky. He paved the way for Shrub.

Reagan was one of only two truly "great" presidents of the post WWII
era: Harry Truman being the other with Ike a distant third. Kennedy
might have made the list, but his Presidency didn't last long enough. On
the wrong side of the equation are Johnson - possibly the most crooked
President in history, Nixon was not as crooked as Johnson, but was
CAUGHT; Ford was a boob, the two Bush's were complete duds, and Clinton
was a political opportunist and a man who's entire life revolved around
exercising poor judgement. That leaves Jimmy Carter, a nice man but
completely incompetent. This Republic doesn't get many great leaders so
I'm surprised that we aren't in worse shape than we are (although we are
in pretty bad shape). The next president will be interesting. Is the USA
so disgusted with GWB that it's willing to even elect the Clinton *****?
Goodness, I hope not!

--
MacyGimble

If God is so all-powerful, how come he lets Satan exist?

In article <btmdnZBaOZJYXdPYnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:3mqsk21rvoi398i0sfjqkrjetbtkrs1cf0@4ax.com...

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:54:36 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-194DC1.23543604112006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jvqqk2l10ius4n8pvtq5nsq11qou76c3rp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

A Country Ruled by Faith
By Garry Wills

"The right wing in America likes to think that the United States
government was, at its inception, highly religious, specifically
highly Christian, and even more specifically highly biblical. That was
not true of that government or any later government-until 2000, when
the fiction of the past became the reality of the present. George W.
Bush was not only born-again, like Jimmy Carter. His religious
conversion came late, and took place in the political setting of Billy
Graham's ministry to the powerful. He was converted during a stroll
with Graham on his father's Kennebunkport compound. It is true that
Dwight Eisenhower was guided to baptism by Graham. But Eisenhower was
a famous and formed man, the principal military figure of World War
II, the leader of NATO, the president of Columbia University-his
change in religious orientation was just an addition to many prior
achievements. Bush's conversion at a comparatively young stage in his
life was a wrenching away from mainly wasted years. He joined a Bible
study culture in Texas that was unlike anything Eisenhower bought
into...."

The rest can be found at:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19590

--

Most of our presidents were religious, some much more than others.
(Jefferson and Lincoln were deists.) However religion for them was
personal matter until we got to the present boob. Unlike Bush, his
predecessors did not try to force their beliefs on the nation.

Not even Reagan?

Reagan was sneaky. He paved the way for Shrub.

Reagan was one of only two truly "great" presidents of the post WWII
era:

In article <btmdnZBaOZJYXdPYnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:3mqsk21rvoi398i0sfjqkrjetbtkrs1cf0@4ax.com...

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:54:36 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-194DC1.23543604112006@news.giganews.com>

In article <jvqqk2l10ius4n8pvtq5nsq11qou76c3rp@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

A Country Ruled by Faith
By Garry Wills

"The right wing in America likes to think that the United States
government was, at its inception, highly religious, specifically
highly Christian, and even more specifically highly biblical. That was
not true of that government or any later government-until 2000, when
the fiction of the past became the reality of the present. George W.
Bush was not only born-again, like Jimmy Carter. His religious
conversion came late, and took place in the political setting of Billy
Graham's ministry to the powerful. He was converted during a stroll
with Graham on his father's Kennebunkport compound. It is true that
Dwight Eisenhower was guided to baptism by Graham. But Eisenhower was
a famous and formed man, the principal military figure of World War
II, the leader of NATO, the president of Columbia University-his
change in religious orientation was just an addition to many prior
achievements. Bush's conversion at a comparatively young stage in his
life was a wrenching away from mainly wasted years. He joined a Bible
study culture in Texas that was unlike anything Eisenhower bought
into...."

The rest can be found at:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19590

--

Most of our presidents were religious, some much more than others.
(Jefferson and Lincoln were deists.) However religion for them was
personal matter until we got to the present boob. Unlike Bush, his
predecessors did not try to force their beliefs on the nation.

Not even Reagan?

Reagan was sneaky. He paved the way for Shrub.

Reagan was one of only two truly "great" presidents of the post WWII
era: Harry Truman being the other with Ike a distant third. Kennedy
might have made the list, but his Presidency didn't last long enough. On
the wrong side of the equation are Johnson - possibly the most crooked
President in history, Nixon was not as crooked as Johnson, but was
CAUGHT; Ford was a boob, the two Bush's were complete duds, and Clinton
was a political opportunist and a man who's entire life revolved around
exercising poor judgement. That leaves Jimmy Carter, a nice man but
completely incompetent. This Republic doesn't get many great leaders so
I'm surprised that we aren't in worse shape than we are (although we are
in pretty bad shape). The next president will be interesting. Is the USA
so disgusted with GWB that it's willing to even elect the Clinton *****?
Goodness, I hope not!