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Religions > Atheism |
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"Martin Phipps" |
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19 May 2007 04:04:57 AM |
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Origin of "Yahweh" |
We all know that "Jehovah" is derived from "Yehweh". I
read on wikipedia some speculation that Yahweh is
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahu
"According to some, Yam was also called Ya'a or Yaw.
Damaged text in KTU 1.2 iv has been interpreted by
Mark S. Smith as describing a renaming of Yam from an
original name Yaw. The resemblance of the latter to
the Tetragrammaton YHWH led to speculation over a
possible connection between Yam and God of the Hebrew
Bible. However even if the reading is correct many
scholars argue the names have different roots and
reject the idea that they are related. Another
suggested reading of the name is Ya'a and it has also
been suggested as an early form of the divine name
Yah, Yahu. Earlier archaeologists like Theophilus G.
Pinches[1] quoted the research of Hommel, Professor of
Semitic languages at Munich, who suggested "that this
god Ya is another form of the name Ea...". By this
theory Ya'a thus appears to have been a God of the
waters, both salt (Yam) and fresh (Nahar), in some
ways similar to the Mesopotamian God Ea.[2] This view
has been supported in more recent times by
archaeologists like Jean Bottero[3] and others,[4]
although this is disputed by other scholars.[5][6]"
In Sumerian mythology, Enki was the creator of
mankind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki
"In Sumerian myth, Enki lay asleep in the depths of
the primeval ocean, unable to hear the lament of the
gods as they complained about the difficulty of
cultivating wheat and making bread. Eventually the
primeval sea, Nammu brought the gods' tears to Enki.
Enki, as the god of wisdom, was expected to devise a
solution, so he solicited Nammu and the birth-goddess
Ninmah to use clay to form the first men, who would
toil and farm so that the gods could relax. [7]
[...]
"Another myth, "Enki and Adapa", tells of how humanity
loses the chance at immortality. Adapa U-an (Berossus'
Oannes), who is Abgallu (Ab = Water, Gal = Great, Lu =
Man) (Akkadian Apkallu), Enki's advisor, to the first
king of Eridu, Allulim, inadvertently breaks the wings
of the South Wind, Ninlil (See Lilith) (Nin = Lady,
Lil = Air), daughter of Anu (the Heavens) and wife to
Enlil, king of the gods. In terror at the thought of
their retribution, Adapa seeks the advice of Enki.
Enki advises that Adapa make a deep and sincere
atonement, but advises Adapa to eat nothing given to
him by the gods, as he will probably be given the food
of death, out of their anger at his deeds. Adapa takes
Enki's advice, but the gods, so impressed by the
sincerity of Adapa's sorrow and grief as to what he
did, offered instead the fruit of immortality. Adapa
remembering Enki's words, refuses, and so misses out
on the chance of eternal life."
So Enki created man and one of his creations was named
Adapa and Adapa angered the gods and ended up losing
his chance at eternal life.
So who is Satan? "Satan" is a Hebrew word meaning
"adversary".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan
So who was the adversary of Yam? The adversary of Yam
was Baal ("Lord") Hadad.
"Of all the gods, Yam holds special hostility against
Baal Hadad over the divine assembly. Yam is a deity of
the sea and his palace is in the abyss associated with
the depths, or Biblical tehwom, of the oceans. (This
is not to be confused with the abode of Mot, the ruler
of the netherworlds.) In Ugaritic texts, Yam's special
enemy Hadad is also known as the "king of heaven" and
the "first born son" of El, whom ancient Greeks
identified with their god Kronos, just as Baal was
identified with Zeus, Yam with Poseidon and Mot with
Hades. Yam wished to become the Lord god in his place.
In turns the two beings kill each other, yet Hadad is
resurrected and Yam also returns. Some authors have
suggested that these tales reflect the experience of
seasonal cycles in the Levant."
Thus, we can see that Yahweh can be associated with
both the Sumerian god Enki and the Greek god Poseidon
while Hadad can be associated not only with the Greek
god Zeus (and the Roman god Jupiter) but also the
Akkadian god Adad, the Anatolian god Teshub, the
Egyptian god Set and the Sumerian god Ishkur. In
Sumerian mythology, Ishkur was sometimes refered to as
the son of Anu and brother of Enki and sometimes
refered to as the brother of Ishtar and a descendent
of both Enki and his brother Enlil. (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adad )
That Ishkur was referred to as the son of Anu may be a
mistake based on the fact that he was considered one
of the Anunnaku, the race of beings descended from Anu
collectively known as the sons of Anu. (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu )
It is worth pointing out at this point that Anu was
known to the Hebrews as El (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El ) and that the Annuaki
correspond to the Hebrew Elohim (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim). The Islamic
name Allah is believed to be derived from the name El.
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah ).
Historiocally then El (the creator of the universe)
and Yahweh (the creator of mankind) were not the same
god. Judeo-Christian tradition combines the two gods
into one. It would appear as though Genesis chapter
one originally spoke about El and Genesis chapter two
originally spoke about Yahweh.
Martin
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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| Title: Re: Origin of "Yahweh" |
20 May 2007 10:38:55 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179565497.852430.285150@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
We all know that "Jehovah" is derived from "Yehweh". I
read on wikipedia some speculation that Yahweh is
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.
No, that's not it. Ya see, when God sent Satan to hell God just after
creating hell stuck his finger into the fire and yelled; "Yahweh".
Jamffer
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: Origin of "Yahweh" |
29 Jul 2007 05:22:28 PM |
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"Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179565497.852430.285150@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
We all know that "Jehovah" is derived from "Yehweh". I
read on wikipedia some speculation that Yahweh is
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.
No, that's not it. Ya see, when God sent Satan to hell God just after
creating hell stuck his finger into the fire and yelled; "Yahweh".
Jamffer
Jamffer,
Couldn't have happened that way since the 'hellfire' fires are
symbolic not literal. You can see this for yourself by reading Re
20:14 and noticing what things are tossed into that alleged literal
fire.
And by the way, no one knows the exact transliteration of the Hebrew
word for God since the Bible writing in Hebrew only used consonants.
(vowel points were not added till long after the OT writings were
written) Thus the word for the Tetragrammaton could be Yahweh, Yehwah,
Yehwih, Yehowah, Yehowah, etc,etc. Thus to categorically state that it
is only one particular way or another, is misrepresenting the facts.
Sincerely, James
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Origin of "Yahweh" |
29 Jul 2007 06:22:01 PM |
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"James" <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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"Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com>
"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179565497.852430.285150@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
We all know that "Jehovah" is derived from "Yehweh". I
read on wikipedia some speculation that Yahweh is
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.
No, that's not it. Ya see, when God sent Satan to hell God just after
creating hell stuck his finger into the fire and yelled; "Yahweh".
Jamffer
Me was chuckling rather heartily after reading *that*.
Greywolf
Jamffer,
Couldn't have happened that way since the 'hellfire' fires are
symbolic not literal. You can see this for yourself by reading Re
20:14 and noticing what things are tossed into that alleged literal
fire.
And by the way, no one knows the exact transliteration of the Hebrew
word for God since the Bible writing in Hebrew only used consonants.
(vowel points were not added till long after the OT writings were
written) Thus the word for the Tetragrammaton could be Yahweh, Yehwah,
Yehwih, Yehowah, Yehowah, etc,etc. Thus to categorically state that it
is only one particular way or another, is misrepresenting the facts.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
***********************************
Want a Free home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Origin of "Yahweh" |
21 May 2007 08:37:33 AM |
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On May 20, 11:38 pm, "Ghamph" <gha...@localnet.com> wrote:
"Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179565497.852430.285150@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
We all know that "Jehovah" is derived from "Yehweh". I
read on wikipedia some speculation thatYahwehis
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.
No, that's not it. Ya see, when God sent Satan to hell God just after
creating hell stuck his finger into the fire and yelled; "Yahweh".
Unfortunately, as God doesn't actually exist, that theory doesn't hold
up.
Martin
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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| Title: Re: Origin of "Yahweh" |
21 May 2007 11:11:13 AM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179754653.413327.56140@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On May 20, 11:38 pm, "Ghamph" <gha...@localnet.com> wrote:
"Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179565497.852430.285150@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
We all know that "Jehovah" is derived from "Yehweh". I
read on wikipedia some speculation thatYahwehis
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.
No, that's not it. Ya see, when God sent Satan to hell God just after
creating hell stuck his finger into the fire and yelled; "Yahweh".
Unfortunately, as God doesn't actually exist, that theory doesn't hold
up.
Martin
That's right. There is at least one or two names I can think of 1. Void
2. Nothingness 3. Any synonym for nothing.
Jamffer
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