We all know that Jehovah is derived from Yahweh.

And Yahweh came from the minds of near primitives....
..........tell us something else new !

the name Jehovah comes from Moses.

He named Jehovah.
Even though Jehovah has been known since Adam,
The phrase I am what I am is the same as saying
You see what i am, you hear what i am, you smell what i am.
It means cause and effect, what will be will be.
But thats why the definition of FATE comes into play.
We have discovered how to measure temerature in degrees
of units and so we have learned that water will freeze
when we get it to the same unit of reduced heat.
This is a fate, the water is fated. What is put in motion
stays in motion and encounters other things that then
change it. This is JEHOVAH. But that definition doesnt
say that some person wants something in such a way
that everything we do is being done by him, it is fated,
we are in his command, mindless with no free will.
It does not mean everything is meant to be just
as it is. No we are able to play and build with what
he has made the same way he too GOD plays and
builds. Do you not recall Star Trek teaching us that
supposedly this planet was made for play because
the more intelligence the more need for play. Do you not
think that if we are like God in mind it means God
excercises his thought process just as he has us do.
The expression God rested, is limited, it does not
mean he quit breathing life. It means he has put
into us the things he has come to realize (make real)
about himself. Yet those with fate have it that it
means evil must exist. Define evil. Wolves eat mice.
Is that evil. One example is incest. Incest is not incest
until it is called incest. What that means is we can
say that incest did not exist before Moses.
Incest does not mean brother and sister did not
marry and have children. Adams children did,
so did Noahs. But with life cut down to 1/12
the ability to overcome genetic problems is no
longer efficient in the human body. That is to say
that brother-sister sex became INCEST, it produced
defective children which would be defective in Gods
eyes, it certainly is defective in our eyes. It means
Abram married to his half sister caused part of
the problem to Sarah's miscarriage of fertilized eggs.
Not just her inflamation from his dirty *****.
But evidently time heals because she had no sex
from the age of 76 to 90 after Abram at 86 got
Hagar pregnant.

Since this is in a Jehvah Witness forum i would like to
comment on a false WatchTower article that implied
Abrams miracle baby continued his ability all the way
to the days of his marrying Keturah after he was 140
and having more sons. This is NOT seeing Jehovah
at all to say this. Recall that Hagar was made pregnant
when he was 86 and there was no circumcision for his
dirty *****. So apparently Hagar did not get inflamation
from one single act of sex. His having abandoned
Sarai at meopause-onset is the reason she cleared
up the inflamation that Jehovah had given her. Now
Jehovah was clearing it up. Her cease of flow doesnt
mean she didnt have an egg released every two months.
And for a life of 175 (though she died early at 127)
the ages 76-90 is equivalent to 40-50 for a woman
whose life span is 80-90. Lifespan is not genetic,
It is carbon-14 in the DNA and RNA.

It is interesting to note how god has permitted all this confusion and pure
nonsense!

Permitted YOUR confusion. Hey YOUR choice.
Moses says choose right and behold you live.
Choose wrong and behold you die.
He didnt mean by government or punishment.

read on wikipedia some speculation that Yahweh is
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.

We derive our word Earth from the god Ea.
And the word En-Ki means Lord Earth.
An-Ki can mean Heaven-Earth.
Wikipedia is nothing more than a bulletin board.
Its full of crap too in many cases.
Its mostly good for its Hollywood revues on
actors and movies , hahaha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahu
"According to some, Yam was also called Ya'a or Yaw.
Damaged text in KTU 1.2 iv has been interpreted by
Mark S. Smith as describing a renaming of Yam from an
original name Yaw. The resemblance of the latter to
the Tetragrammaton YHWH led to speculation over a
possible connection between Yam and God of the Hebrew
Bible. However even if the reading is correct many
scholars argue the names have different roots and
reject the idea that they are related. Another
suggested reading of the name is Ya'a and it has also
been suggested as an early form of the divine name
Yah, Yahu. Earlier archaeologists like Theophilus G.
Pinches[1] quoted the research of Hommel, Professor of
Semitic languages at Munich, who suggested "that this
god Ya is another form of the name Ea...". By this
theory Ya'a thus appears to have been a God of the
waters, both salt (Yam) and fresh (Nahar), in some
ways similar to the Mesopotamian God Ea.[2] This view
has been supported in more recent times by
archaeologists like Jean Bottero[3] and others,[4]
although this is disputed by other scholars.[5][6]"
In Sumerian mythology, Enki was the creator of
mankind.

Duh Man was created from the ground,
by the ground, from Ea (Earth) and by Ea (Earth).
So pray do tell where is YOUR god is he taking
a crap on the toilet right now that you are not able to
bring forth the knowledge about him that you must
rip apart my own God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki
"In Sumerian myth, Enki lay asleep in the depths of
the primeval ocean, unable to hear the lament of the
gods as they complained about the difficulty of
cultivating wheat and making bread. Eventually the
primeval sea, Nammu brought the gods' tears to Enki.
Enki, as the god of wisdom, was expected to devise a
solution, so he solicited Nammu and the birth-goddess
Ninmah to use clay to form the first men, who would
toil and farm so that the gods could relax. [7]
"Another myth, "Enki and Adapa", tells of how humanity
loses the chance at immortality. Adapa U-an (Berossus'
Oannes), who is Abgallu (Ab = Water, Gal = Great, Lu =
Man) (Akkadian Apkallu), Enki's advisor, to the first
king of Eridu, Allulim, inadvertently breaks the wings

Alulim is an actual god. a spirit who leaves heaven like Satan
did and does, and he became king 97 sars
(decades of 3600 days = 970 years)
before the Flood when Methuselah was born.
Yes I would agree that Alulim in 3340 BC
ruined man's chance for eternal life.
Methuselah lived 969 and we have Alulim to
thank for his contribution to the water canopy collapse.
Since he dematerialized Enoch 300 years later at
Larsa in 3040 BC it would seem they tapored with our
atmosphere too much saying it wouldnt hurt it.
Um I think thats the stand of America right now,
they tampor and say they are not hurting it.
Well too late to change America, you will see what
damage America has done when the asteroid hits in
2009 next year. And please children dont get go telling me that
13 months or 18 months isnt next year. Close enough.

of the South Wind, Ninlil (See Lilith) (Nin = Lady,
Lil = Air), daughter of Anu (the Heavens) and wife to
Enlil, king of the gods. In terror at the thought of
their retribution, Adapa seeks the advice of Enki.
Enki advises that Adapa make a deep and sincere
atonement, but advises Adapa to eat nothing given to
him by the gods, as he will probably be given the food
of death, out of their anger at his deeds. Adapa takes
Enki's advice, but the gods, so impressed by the
sincerity of Adapa's sorrow and grief as to what he
did, offered instead the fruit of immortality. Adapa
remembering Enki's words, refuses, and so misses out
on the chance of eternal life."
So Enki created man and one of his creations was named
Adapa and Adapa angered the gods and ended up losing
his chance at eternal life.
So who is Satan? "Satan" is a Hebrew word meaning
"adversary".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan
So who was the adversary of Yam? The adversary of Yam
was Baal ("Lord") Hadad.
"Of all the gods, Yam holds special hostility against
Baal Hadad over the divine assembly. Yam is a deity of
the sea and his palace is in the abyss associated with
the depths, or Biblical tehwom, of the oceans. (This
is not to be confused with the abode of Mot, the ruler
of the netherworlds.) In Ugaritic texts, Yam's special
enemy Hadad is also known as the "king of heaven" and
the "first born son" of El, (el means God)

whom ancient Greeks
identified with their god Kronos, (Crono is TIME)
just as Baal was
identified with Zeus,

(Zeus is weather, Greeks say born in the Flood year
2958 BC andit is why they place Noahs star as Egypts date
Koyak 25 on Dec 25, and it is why they place Sept 1 on
Thoth 1 of 2957 BC, and he the weather isnt the only LORD over men)

Yam with Poseidon and Mot with
Hades. Yam wished to become the Lord god in his place.
In turns the two beings kill each other, yet Hadad is
resurrected and Yam also returns. Some authors have
suggested that these tales reflect the experience of
seasonal cycles in the Levant."
Thus, we can see that Yehweh can be associated with
both the Sumerian god Enki and the Greek god Poseidon

Yeweh and Poseidon are the same who swallowed Jonah,
as a storm at sea. But Poseidon is not Zeus weather, he is
tsunami and wave from earthquake under the water.

while Hadad can be associated not only with the Greek
god Zeus (and the Roman god Jupiter) but also the

JUPITER is under debate, the planet that represented the
birth of weather Zeus when it rose in Capricorn. The debate is
this does it as Zeus-pitar mean Father Zeus or Father of Zeus.

Akkadian god Adad, the Anatolian god Teshub, the
Egyptian god Set and the Sumerian god Ishkur.

The Egyptian god Set is the star Alioth of the Big Dipper.
The Great Pyramid was trditionally built to observe Set
as a 100-year calendar and 400-year calendar. As 100 year
it compares 100x 360 and 100x 365 to 100 Sothic (Julian).
Though 4 years is the whole number 1461 days, it doesnt
permit comparison as 100s do. WE now see that because
of decimal 365.25 requiring x100.

In
Sumerian mythology, Ishkur was sometimes refered to as
the son of Anu and brother of Enki and sometimes
refered to as the brother of Ishtar and a descendent
of both Enki and his brother Enlil. (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adad)
That Ishkur was referred to as the son of Anu may be a
mistake based on the fact that he was considered one
of the Anunnaku, the race of beings descended from Anu
collectively known as the sons of Anu. (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu)
It is worth pointing out at this point that Anu was
known to the Hebrews as El (See

Anu (An is heaven) so if An or Anu is God (el) there is
no reason not to see that. I wonder if Anu is related to
Noah in heaven the same way ish-nu and Man-nu.
But Vishnu is 2020 BC a name 350 years after the Flood.
And Manu is related to the death of Mena in 1770 BC
(adams year 2256) when Tamuz (=Ptah = Men) on July10
marked that year by Hamurabi who then created the new
Marduk new year as Thoth 1 (Nov 9).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El) and that the Annuaki
correspond to the Hebrew Elohim (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim). The Islamic
name Allah is believed to be derived from the name El.
(Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah).
Historically then El (the creator of the universe)
and Yahweh (the creator of mankind) were not the same
god.

Moses uses the names God and Jehovah separately not
to appear like two books but to denote fixed law of science
and force versus the aspect of God that is cause and effect.
Notice that Eve does not say God gave her the baby but
that Jehovah Yahweh did. Though it says God created man,
as in a forced existence from elements to life, it says Eve
was given a baby by Yahweh, yes cause and effect, she
could see by animals mating that it makes babies, and
she knew what adam had and knew what she had,
and so knew that getting it together it is cause and effect
or Jehovah that will give her a son. Though wrong about the
fruit on the tree, she was right about how to have a baby.

Judeo-Christian tradition combines the two gods
into one. It would appear as though Genesis chapter
one originally spoke about El and Genesis chapter two
originally spoke about Yehweh.

SEE THE TRUE EXPLANATION ABOVE. Nothing has been
merged in Genesis, it is Moses being like me saying things
twice for stupid people like you. Moses admits he doesnt
know how to present things to Pharaoh. I admit it too, but
i dont have a brothr like Moses did. Mine is too busy with
his boyfriend hating my JW mom. Real odd they
disfellowship the preacher instead of the queer. hahaha

If El, Yahweh and Hadad were all mythological then the next question
is whether of not Jesus was real. It turns out he wasn't. (See
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com). Jesus was invented in the first
century AD as a renaming of the five centuries old combination of the
Egyptian god Osiris, who could raise people from the dead,

Just because there are stories before someone doesnt mean they dont
exist.
Is there no home alone McCully Culkin if others were deserted long
before
his movie did. Jesus is NOT Osiris. He was regarded as the incarnation
of
Osiris because Osiris means the reborn one. The one who dies and comes
back.
The planet Saturn dies and comes back in the same constellation every
30 years.
And the Moon does every 30 days. The constellation Orion does annually
too.
The Catholic Church tried once to ay Jesus died at 30 just 6 onths
after baptism.
This is not so. Jesus was dead for 3 days just like the Osiris new
moon.
BUT it was a full moon when he died. And the sky turned dark like a
solar eclipse
by an Osiris moon, buut it was not a new moon it was a full moon that
did
eclipse that night. The factors allow confusion, and to prove wicked
malice hearts
of know-it-alls our God knows all the many factors people will
use as excuse to say whatthey wanna say, lies, lies, lies.
Are you popular now, or rich and wealthy too from it ???

and the
Greek god Dionysus who could turn water into wine. (See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris-Dionysus).

The myth of a god rising from the dead was borrowed not only from
Greek mythology (Adonis rose from the dead) but from Egyptian (Osiris)

Adonis means LORD, and it refers to the planet Mars
whose death is every 780 days in a calendar, spuratic in reality.

and Sumerian mythology (Dumuzi/Tammuz).

Dumuzi or Damuzi is Mars. The tau of Damuzi means the cross of Damuzi
every 780 days when the sun crosses over it. This Tau or Ptah or cross
is called Tamuz at the death of Narmer (Nimrod) because the three
words
Tau of Damuzi is contracted into one word Tamuzi or Tamuz. Tamuz
is July 10 of 1770 BC and that date again in 997 BC. Solomon proves
the Julian cycle being 773 years instead of the expected 780 years.
Incidentally, the name Mena (Menes, Mene) taken by Narmer is the same
name for Ptah (Tau) the cross of planet Mars being called Men.
It is why we call Adam and Noah and our males all men and womb-man
instead of the two Hebrew or Chaldean words ish and ishah.

Even Norse mythology had a
god who rose from the dead, namely Balder. And these gods were all
either the sons, grandsons or great grandsons of the god of their
respective religions, namely Zeus, Amon-Ra, Anu or Odin,
respectively. Adonis was also the daughter of Venus/Aphrodite who was
worshipped in her day much the same way that Mary is worshipped by
Catholics.

Amon is the sun, but can only be Amon-Ra on clear sunny days
when the sun Amon has Rays to shine forth to make shadows that
can be marked. Spelled by Britain as Re and by America as Ra, this
is pronounced Ray as the beams of light that it is.

Venus comes from the name Phoenix which the Venus firebird is
the same firebird Quetzalcoatl. They are all dated by pagans and
Jews and Christians as adams year 2256. Being that the planet
is said to half-cycle in 600 years it was said to be Noahs star
and this is why so many wrong chronologies said the Flood was
this year 2256 instead of 1656. The year 1656 is 2370 BC and the
year 2256 is 1770 BC. But the cultures who say the Flood is the
year 2256 are Maya 3114 BC, Egypt 3090 BC, Moslem 3122 BC.
Neo Babylon 2947 BC.

Dumuzi/Tammuz was known as the "shepherd king" and may actually have
been a real person (if the "pre flood" Sumerian records are reliable
in this regard).

Shepherd means leader. Damuzi is the leader because its the
morningstar of new years day every 13 years. 13x360 days
= 6x 780 days, and then every 52 years 52x 360 days
as 24x 780 days Mars will be at 90 degrees earlier.
This was the case noted in April 2060 BC when Ninevah was founded
and July 2009 BC when Marduk Street was paved.
It is 7 x 52 years back to creation by Flood (364x 360 days)
which are 359 years. the end of the Flood before disembarkment
marked 90 leap days and 365x 360 days = 360 x 365 days.
This meant the date 10-01 when Shem got his wife pregnant on
happy to see Little Ararat was the same Julian date in both
2369 BC and 2009 BC.

The Sumerian Legend has him married to the "Queen of
Heaven" Ishtar/Inanna. (Similarly, Osiris was married to Isis.)

Damuzi had never been Osiris. When Damuzi is reborn he is called
Marduk, not Osiris. Ish-star means Man's star, it is Venus who was
called I-Nanna. Nanna means grandma or great mother. It was the
name for Venus, but also the name for the moon in Ur. Ur Nammu
expanded the temple of Nannar in 2009 BC to compete with Marduk
Street.
Amar-Sin (AmarPal) measured Nannar in his 1st year 1943 BC
as the moon Sin (Su-en which is en-Su, or Lord Su). His measuring
how to atone the moon (lunar calendar) was in great error to Abram
and so we now call all error as sin. But the ruler Meskiag-Nannar
obsevred Nannar as InNanna (Venus) since his rule began in 2127 BC
which is 243 years after the Flood and the return of Venus to the same
spot.
Osiris and Isis is the moon and Venus, where as Damuzi and InNanna is
Mars and Venus. The memorial of the new born world, the reborn world
(which could be called an Osiris) is the date April 4 of 2369 BC
which is the merge of Venus saddled on top of Mars.
Whether you call this courtship, or marriage, or just intercourse.
It is the date Arpaxad was born 9 months after Little Ararat poked
its head out of water. Thus the birth or poking out of water is
rebirth.
This is why we get the saved from drowning thru the water, the Flood,
the Red Sea, the Jordan, and baptism to stop sin, or change your life.

The
Sumerian legend has Ishtar rising from the dead but the gods required
somebody to go to the underworld in her place so Dumuzi took her
place.

This is yet to be found a date for. It means Venus rises in the east
out of an
8-day inferior conjunction close to the Earth, when Mars is in the
west
beaing crossed over and passed up by the sun. Hey guys, go for it.
Some where between 2240 BC and 1900 BC.

It was said that Dumuzi rose every spring and returned to the
underworld every winter: this then was the origin of the Christian
festival Easter.

Wrong. Easter is Venus not Dumuzi Mars. Easter, Esther, Ashtoroth,
Ashtoreth, Ish-star, is all Venus. Jesus said i am the morningstar
he meant Venus as a rising Armageddon star for rebirth, resurrection,
new world, saved world. The spring date for Damuzi rising is when
Marduks 936-year calendar cycled in 834 BC on March 20 the
Egyptian new year Thoth 1. This date is mistaken by Jews as
Solomon's temple (200 years off of 1034 BC). It is adams year 3192
who Babylon said 3192 was the original Marduk year 2009 BC
and so claims a 5200 BC Adam. Incidently, the 936-year cycle
is both Venus (585 x 584 days) and Mars (438 x780 days) and this
is because Venus was rising on July 10 while Mars was in Hades
being crossed over. Hmm is that our Innanna - Damuzi poem ???
Gee i got to check that one.
By the way there are two versions. The one that says Damuzi
turns into a gazelle, and the other says a Scorpion.
Is Scorpio the same constellation as the Chinese gazelle.
Or are these two different dates.

So pray do tell where is YOUR god is he taking
a crap on the toilet right now that you are not able to
bring forth the knowledge about him that you must
rip apart my own God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki
"In Sumerian myth, Enki lay asleep in the depths of
the primeval ocean, unable to hear the lament of the
gods as they complained about the difficulty of
cultivating wheat and making bread. Eventually the
primeval sea, Nammu brought the gods' tears to Enki.
Enki, as the god of wisdom, was expected to devise a
solution, so he solicited Nammu and the birth-goddess
Ninmah to use clay to form the first men, who would
toil and farm so that the gods could relax. [7]
"Another myth, "Enki and Adapa", tells of how humanity
loses the chance at immortality. Adapa U-an (Berossus'
Oannes), who is Abgallu (Ab = Water, Gal = Great, Lu =
Man) (Akkadian Apkallu), Enki's advisor, to the first
king of Eridu, Allulim, inadvertently breaks the wings

Alulim is an actual god. a spirit who leaves heaven like Satan
did and does, and he became king 97 sars
(decades of 3600 days = 970 years)
before the Flood when Methuselah was born.

Venus comes from the name Phoenix which the Venus firebird is
the same firebird Quetzalcoatl.

It was said that Dumuzi rose every spring and returned to the
underworld every winter: this then was the origin of the Christian
festival Easter.

Wrong. Easter is Venus not Dumuzi Mars. Easter, Esther, Ashtoroth,
Ashtoreth, Ish-star, is all Venus. Jesus said i am the morningstar
he meant Venus as a rising Armageddon star for rebirth, resurrection,
new world, saved world.

On May 30, 8:25 am, "Greywolf" <greyw...@cybrzn.com> wrote:

"Gherren" <jabriol...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message

news:5ub7i.23425$NM.5163@trnddc02...

Martin Phipps wrote:

We all know that Jehovah is derived from Yahweh. I
read on wikipedia some speculation that Yahweh is
based on the Sumerian god Ea / Enki.

Ah wikipedia. let me go in there today and make some changes.

It is patently obvious that portions of the Hebrew bible were derived
from
much earlier Mesopotamian myths and legends and molded into the
characters
and events described therein. To claim otherwise is to show oneself to be
deluded. The Israelites did much of the same thing the Romans did in
'adopting' the Greek religion. One can hardly maintain that Abram/Abraham
and the Israelites he led weren't unduly influenced by the religion of
the
Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, etc. The Hebrew religion has traces of
their influence all *over* the place.

Why the fascination with foreskin? Did the other religions assault
their adherents' penises too?