Religions > Atheism > OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President.
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31 Aug 2003 05:35:29 PM |
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OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President. |
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
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| User: "Alun Harford" |
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01 Sep 2003 04:34:05 AM |
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Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
Err... Didn't everybody know that? Ages ago?
"This is the guy that tried to kill my dad" and all
Alun Harford
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President. |
01 Sep 2003 10:38:36 AM |
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On 1 Sep 2003 02:34:05 -0700, (Alun Harford) in
news message <f890d8e3.0309010134.3590799b@posting.google.com> wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
Err... Didn't everybody know that? Ages ago?
"This is the guy that tried to kill my dad" and all
"I will go up to the six-fingered man and say, 'Hello. My name is
Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.'" -- Inigo
Liz #658 BAAWA
Religion may in most of its forms be defined as the
belief that the gods are on the side of the government.
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| User: "stillsunny" |
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| Title: Re: OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President. |
31 Aug 2003 09:45:02 PM |
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Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
I'm finding a lot of sites which cull the exact same quotes from this
secret blueprint, but am unable to find a link to the actual
blueprint, though the PNAC itself is available on the web. Do you
know where one is, please? I'd like to read it for myself, if
possible.
Sunny
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| User: "Jesus Christ" |
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| Title: Re: OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President. |
31 Aug 2003 10:33:22 PM |
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(stillsunny) :
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au>
wrote in message
news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
I'm finding a lot of sites which cull the exact same quotes from this
secret blueprint, but am unable to find a link to the actual
blueprint, though the PNAC itself is available on the web. Do you
know where one is, please? I'd like to read it for myself, if
possible.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
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| User: "maff" |
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01 Sep 2003 03:26:11 AM |
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(stillsunny) wrote in message news:<c472f5b5.0308311845.7484b66@posting.google.com>...
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
I'm finding a lot of sites which cull the exact same quotes from this
secret blueprint, but am unable to find a link to the actual
blueprint, though the PNAC itself is available on the web. Do you
know where one is, please? I'd like to read it for myself, if
possible.
Project for the New American Century
http://tinyurl.com/9fae
http://tinyurl.com/9fag
http://tinyurl.com/9fai
http://tinyurl.com/9faj
Sunny
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| User: "johac" |
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01 Sep 2003 02:25:43 AM |
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In article <c472f5b5.0308311845.7484b66@posting.google.com>,
(stillsunny) wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in
message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
I'm finding a lot of sites which cull the exact same quotes from this
secret blueprint, but am unable to find a link to the actual
blueprint, though the PNAC itself is available on the web. Do you
know where one is, please? I'd like to read it for myself, if
possible.
Sunny
Here is a letter from the site which they communicated to President
Clinton in 1998. Note some of the names at the bottom:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
There are more documents on the same subject available at the site.
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John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President. |
30 Aug 2003 11:38:10 PM |
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On 31 Aug 2003 19:45:02 -0700, (stillsunny)
wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
I'm finding a lot of sites which cull the exact same quotes from this
secret blueprint, but am unable to find a link to the actual
blueprint, though the PNAC itself is available on the web. Do you
know where one is, please? I'd like to read it for myself, if
possible.
Search the website at www.newamericancentury.org
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| User: "stillsunny" |
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| Title: Re: OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President. |
01 Sep 2003 04:11:23 PM |
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raven1 <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:<lsu2lv07v4iek839f8emplbagn3ikelfes@4ax.com>...
On 31 Aug 2003 19:45:02 -0700, (stillsunny)
wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
I'm finding a lot of sites which cull the exact same quotes from this
secret blueprint, but am unable to find a link to the actual
blueprint, though the PNAC itself is available on the web. Do you
know where one is, please? I'd like to read it for myself, if
possible.
Search the website at www.newamericancentury.org
Thanks, raven, but I already looked there. If it's there, I can't
find it. Presumably, if it were secret, they wouldn't put it on a web
page, anyway.
Sunny
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: OT - Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President. |
01 Sep 2003 11:28:33 PM |
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"stillsunny" <stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote
[---snip---]
One last thing on Perle. Seriously, they don't come any
sleazer than this guy:
<Quote>
One of George W Bush's "thinkers" is Richard Perle. I
interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and
when he spoke about "total war", I mistakenly
dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again
in describing America's "war on terror". "No stages,"
he said. "This is total war. We are fighting a variety of
enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk
about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we
will do Iraq... this is entirely the wrong way to go
about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth,
and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece
together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total
war... our children will sing great songs about us
years from now."
</Quote>
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=49&ItemID=2744
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| User: "raven1" |
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02 Sep 2003 12:02:47 AM |
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:28:33 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
"stillsunny" <stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote
[---snip---]
One last thing on Perle. Seriously, they don't come any
sleazer than this guy:
<Quote>
One of George W Bush's "thinkers" is Richard Perle. I
interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and
when he spoke about "total war", I mistakenly
dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again
in describing America's "war on terror". "No stages,"
he said. "This is total war. We are fighting a variety of
enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk
about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we
will do Iraq... this is entirely the wrong way to go
about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth,
and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece
together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total
war... our children will sing great songs about us
years from now."
I can just hear it now! "Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles"...
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Sep 2003 11:18:24 PM |
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"stillsunny" <stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote
Thanks, raven, but I already looked there. If it's there, I can't
find it. Presumably, if it were secret, they wouldn't put it on a web
page, anyway.
Here's some stuff on Richard Perle, the only man connected to the
Bush administration that is more personally corrupt than *****
Cheney...
From his 1996 "Clean Break" paper:
"...This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in
Iraq - an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right - as
a means of foiling Syria's regional ambitions."
http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm
Clean Break or Dirty War? (PDF)
http://www.voiceoffreedom.com/archives/deptofdefense/3-27-2003_Clean_Break_o
r_Dirty_War.pdf
"From 1969 to 1980, he worked as a staffer for Democratic Senator
Henry M. Jackson of Washington. He lost one of his positions after
the FBI revealed that he had passed on classified information to
Israel."
//Yes. U.S. foreign policy & military strategy is being influenced by a
//known Israeli spy.
"Perle is said to be the person behind the US policy on Iraq (see also:
U.S. plan to invade Iraq). He believed that Saddam Hussein's control
of the government was weak, and that an invasion of Iraq would
remove Saddam from power within weeks."
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle
Specifically:
"Project for a New American Century on Iraq: in September 2000, in
the Rebuilding America's Defenses report [2], the PNAC planned an
attack on Iraq, independently of whether Saddam Hussein remained
in power or not. The report however claimed that a "new Pearl
Harbor" would be required in order to justify the Iraq attack plans
and US global domination to the public. The September 11, 2001
Terrorist Attacks provided this opportunity[3]."
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
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| User: "raven1" |
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01 Sep 2003 06:30:17 PM |
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On 1 Sep 2003 14:11:23 -0700, (stillsunny)
wrote:
raven1 <psychedelephant@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:<lsu2lv07v4iek839f8emplbagn3ikelfes@4ax.com>...
On 31 Aug 2003 19:45:02 -0700, (stillsunny)
wrote:
Meteorite Debris <epicurus1@*THE_ANTI-SPAM_SHIELD*optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:<MPG.19bcffbfcb877a82989c0d@news.optusnet.com.au>...
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack
on Iraq to secure ''regime change'' even before he took power in
January 2001.
I'm finding a lot of sites which cull the exact same quotes from this
secret blueprint, but am unable to find a link to the actual
blueprint, though the PNAC itself is available on the web. Do you
know where one is, please? I'd like to read it for myself, if
possible.
Search the website at www.newamericancentury.org
Thanks, raven, but I already looked there. If it's there, I can't
find it. Presumably, if it were secret, they wouldn't put it on a web
page, anyway.
I've seen it there; it was no secret. I'll search the site later to
see if I can find it.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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01 Sep 2003 10:57:04 PM |
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See my next reply for Perle...
"stillsunny" <stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote
Thanks, raven, but I already looked there. If it's there, I can't
find it. Presumably, if it were secret, they wouldn't put it on a web
page, anyway.
"An effort to investigate, analyze, and expose the Project for the New
American Century, and its plan for a "unipolar" world."
http://www.pnac.info/blog/archives/000013.html
Nine days after 9/11:
http://24.104.35.12/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/040pvmoi.asp
Here's a small slice of Wolfowitz's part in the neo-con strategy:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/etc/wolf.html
Fire Paul Wolfowitz
http://www.supplysideinvestor.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=1668
The Washington Times:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A43339-2003Apr6?language=printer
This is interesting:
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue43/articles/1958_1991_iraq.htm
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| User: "stillsunny" |
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02 Sep 2003 07:07:35 AM |
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"JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<lpudnRYukLDgicmiXTWJiQ@comcast.com>...
See my next reply for Perle...
"stillsunny" <stillsunny1@yahoo.com> wrote
Thanks, raven, but I already looked there. If it's there, I can't
find it. Presumably, if it were secret, they wouldn't put it on a web
page, anyway.
"An effort to investigate, analyze, and expose the Project for the New
American Century, and its plan for a "unipolar" world."
http://www.pnac.info/blog/archives/000013.html
None of these are the report referenced in the Scots article, which is
apparently entitled "Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces
And Resources For A New Century," and was apparently written in
September of 2000, but thanks.
It may simply not be available. It's just that rather than reading a
few purported quotes from the thing, and accepting this fellow's take
on its inference, I'd prefer to read it myself if I can.
Sunny
who has no doubt there are neocons who'd prefer to just take over the
whole world, but who isn't inclined to just accept as fact a thing
just because it's anti-neocon, anti-Bush, either
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| User: "Marc Fleury" |
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02 Sep 2003 11:50:53 AM |
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stillsunny wrote:
None of these are the report referenced in the Scots article, which is
apparently entitled "Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces
And Resources For A New Century," and was apparently written in
September of 2000, but thanks.
I just did a search for the title of the report, and I found it on the
page for the second google link.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
--
Marc.
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| User: "stillsunny" |
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02 Sep 2003 07:09:59 PM |
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Marc Fleury <marcfleury@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<1ii9lvo1oki41qf0j9n2f3mflbr3okjrrp@4ax.com>...
stillsunny wrote:
None of these are the report referenced in the Scots article, which is
apparently entitled "Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces
And Resources For A New Century," and was apparently written in
September of 2000, but thanks.
I just did a search for the title of the report, and I found it on the
page for the second google link.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Many thanks. I mostly tried to find it in the PNAC site, and got frustrated.
Printing to read ...
Sunny
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Sep 2003 08:49:36 AM |
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 08:05:29 +0930, Meteorite Debris wrote:
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush
and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure
''regime change'' even before he took power in January 2001.
It hasn't been much of a "secret." PNAC even has a website.
That's what I find so ironic about all this, the neo-cons *openly *told
*us what they were going to do years before the election...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Jesus Christ" |
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01 Sep 2003 03:04:52 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> :
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush
and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure
''regime change'' even before he took power in January 2001.
It hasn't been much of a "secret." PNAC even has a website.
That's what I find so ironic about all this, the neo-cons *openly *told
*us what they were going to do years before the election...
"Yeah, but politicians don't keep their promises. In any case, Gore's a
condescending *****." -- The collective thought process of USA
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Sep 2003 10:49:22 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:04:52 +0000, Jesus Christ wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> :
http://culturechange.org/Bush_planned_Iraq_before.html
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President
Bush
and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure
''regime change'' even before he took power in January 2001.
It hasn't been much of a "secret." PNAC even has a website.
That's what I find so ironic about all this, the neo-cons *openly *told
*us what they were going to do years before the election...
"Yeah, but politicians don't keep their promises. In any case, Gore's a
condescending *****." -- The collective thought process of USA
You think the electorate thought about it *that much???
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Mark K. Bilbo
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