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US House Panel Rejects Boost in Car Mileage Rule
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USA: April 14, 2005
WASHINGTON - A US House committee on Wednesday voted against requiring
US automakers to ratchet up fuel efficiency to a fleet average of 33
miles per gallon by 2014 from the current 27.5 mpg for passenger cars.
The House Energy and Commerce Committee voted 36 to 10 against the
proposal to raise federal mileage requirements, which was offered as
an amendment to a broad energy bill.
Democrat Edward Markey of Massachusetts, who sponsored the proposal,
said higher fuel standards were needed to reduce oil demand and make
the United States less dependent on foreign petroleum suppliers like
OPEC.
"The price of oil is controlled by OPEC," said Markey. "We can't break
(the cartel) up."
US oil demand averages averages 21 million barrels a day, with imports
supplying three of every five barrels consumed.
With gasoline demand the biggest component of oil consumption at about
40 percent, many environmentalists say the only way to significantly
reduce petroleum demand is to boost vehicle fuel efficiency.
But committee Democrats from Michigan, where the auto industry is
based, said Congress can't mandate what type of automobiles Detroit
should make.
"People are driving around in big cars, because they like them,
because they feel safe," said Democrat John Dingell of Michigan.
Opponents to the amendment said higher mileage requirements would
force automakers to produce dangerous, small cars to meet the stronger
fuel standard.
"You'll never get your soccer moms and soccer kids in there," said
Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan, referring to the feared subcompact
vehicles. "It's not what Americans want."
The House Energy and Commerce Committee is set to finish working on
the energy bill this week, and send it the House floor for a final
vote.
Democrats plan to offer several more amendments before then to try to
modify the legislation.
One of their more contentious proposals will try to strike a provision
in the bill that protects major oil companies from lawsuits over the
water-polluting gasoline additive MTBE.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas wants the MTBE liability
waiver be part of energy legislation, even though the Senate rejected
an energy bill last year largely because of the MTBE protection.
Two other House committees on Wednesday considered other parts of the
energy bill that will be folded into much broader legislation that may
be voted on by the full House next week.
Despite Democratic objections, the House Resources Committee was set
to vote to allow oil companies to drill in Alaska's Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge.
Giving oil companies access to the refuge's 1.5-million acre coastal
plain and billions of barrels of crude oil is a key part of the Bush
administration's national energy plan.
Separately, the House Ways and Means Committee approved about $8
billion in tax breaks and financial incentives to boost US energy
infrastructure and encourage the use of certain energy technologies.
The House's final energy bill would still have to reconciled with much
different energy legislation in the Senate that is still being
written. The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee is expected
to vote on its chamber's bill next month.
REUTERS NEWS SERVICE
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14 Apr 2005 10:35:21 PM |
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US House Panel Rejects Boost in Car Mileage Rule
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USA: April 14, 2005
WASHINGTON - A US House committee on Wednesday voted against requiring
US automakers to ratchet up fuel efficiency to a fleet average of 33
miles per gallon by 2014 from the current 27.5 mpg for passenger cars.
One way or another...the US is determined to destroy the world any way it
can!!!
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 Apr 2005 12:34:27 AM |
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"Now Here's Clayton With The Weather" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com>
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"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
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http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/30362/story.htm
US House Panel Rejects Boost in Car Mileage Rule
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USA: April 14, 2005
WASHINGTON - A US House committee on Wednesday voted against
requiring US automakers to ratchet up fuel efficiency to a fleet
average of 33 miles per gallon by 2014 from the current 27.5 mpg for
passenger cars.
One way or another...the US is determined to destroy the world any way
it can!!!
Yeah, right, upping the CAFE standards is going to save the world.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"You know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:39:09 AM |
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Le Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:34:27 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
Yeah, right, upping the CAFE standards is going to save the world.
Not pushing the big red button is not going to save the world, either.
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| User: "duke" |
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15 Apr 2005 05:28:58 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:35:21 +1000, "Now Here's Clayton With The Weather"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com> wrote:
"Meteorite Debris" <abuse@optusnet,com.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc984bac2e55f4998a106@news.optusnet.com.au...
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/30362/story.htm
US House Panel Rejects Boost in Car Mileage Rule
Mail this story to a friend | Printer friendly version
USA: April 14, 2005
WASHINGTON - A US House committee on Wednesday voted against requiring
US automakers to ratchet up fuel efficiency to a fleet average of 33
miles per gallon by 2014 from the current 27.5 mpg for passenger cars.
One way or another...the US is determined to destroy the world any way it
can!!!
What an aussie dumbass. It's because to do so means to make it lighter by using
less metal and more plastic.
Idiot.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:03:23 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:28:58 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
Really? Jesus diagrees.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I
say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and
when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen
do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father
knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Funny, but Jesus says that prayer should be a personal, private thing,
and not done in public with repetitions.. which is exactly what a mass
is, right?
So, who's right.. the Pope or Jesus Christ?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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15 Apr 2005 10:26:04 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:03:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
Really? Jesus diagrees.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I
say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and
when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen
do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father
knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Funny, but Jesus says that prayer should be a personal, private thing,
and not done in public with repetitions.. which is exactly what a mass
is, right?
No, and nope.
First. Jesus said not to pray so as to impress other men. God sees your
prayers wherever you are.
Secondly, Jesus said that whenever 2 or more gather in my name, I am with you.
The mass is a gathering of believers for common prayer to God.
So, who's right.. the Pope or Jesus Christ?
Both. The Holy Father repeats the words of Christ.
The Mass is the perfect form of prayer.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT - US House Panel Rejects Boost in Car Mileage Rule |
16 Apr 2005 05:58:23 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:26:04 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:03:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
Really? Jesus diagrees.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I
say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and
when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen
do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father
knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Funny, but Jesus says that prayer should be a personal, private thing,
and not done in public with repetitions.. which is exactly what a mass
is, right?
No, and nope.
First. Jesus said not to pray so as to impress other men. God sees your
prayers wherever you are.
He clearly commands that when you pray, you are to do so alone. In
private.
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou
hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;"
How is gathering in groups ranging from a dozen to several thousand
private?
Jesus gives specific commands for prayer. Mass violates everyone of
them.
Secondly, Jesus said that whenever 2 or more gather in my name, I am with you.
The mass is a gathering of believers for common prayer to God.
Except that Jesus said to pray secretly, in private. You can gather
in one place, praise God all you want, and not be praying.
So, who's right.. the Pope or Jesus Christ?
Both. The Holy Father repeats the words of Christ.
Except that the ritual of mass is not private, secret, or done in a
closet.
The Mass is the perfect form of prayer.
Except for the fact that it violates Christ's teachings, sure.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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16 Apr 2005 12:32:05 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:58:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I
say unto you, They have their reward.
First. Jesus said not to pray so as to impress other men. God sees your
prayers wherever you are.
He clearly commands that when you pray, you are to do so alone. In
private.
No he doesn't clearly or unclearly say so.
All you have to do is read Mat 6:5 above. But it's not totally your fault.
You're using the KJV. It's presented in very difficult English to understand
and everything runs together making it all look like individual statements
rather than 1 comment.
Matthew 6:1-6 (New International Version)
Matthew 6
Giving to the Needy
1“Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by
them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2“So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the
hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell
you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to
the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so
that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in
secret, will reward you.
Prayer
5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell
you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go
into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your
Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:1-6 (King James Version)
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise
ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as
the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory
of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand
doeth:
4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret
himself shall reward thee openly.
5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they
love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that
they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut
thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in
secret shall reward thee openly.
Secondly, Jesus said that whenever 2 or more gather in my name, I am with you.
The mass is a gathering of believers for common prayer to God.
Except that Jesus said to pray secretly, in private. You can gather
in one place, praise God all you want, and not be praying.
You'll catch on. He said that when 2 or more gather in my name, I am with you.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:52:29 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:32:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
No he doesn't clearly or unclearly say so.
All you have to do is read Mat 6:5 above. But it's not totally your fault.
You're using the KJV. It's presented in very difficult English to understand
and everything runs together making it all look like individual statements
rather than 1 comment.
Duke. I read Middle English fluently. The language in the KJV is
perfectly clear to me.
The command is perfectly clear on prayer. And gathering in a public
places to endlessly repeat the same thing over and over is not it.
Pope Paul was wrong.
Of course, as Pope, he can't be wrong on matters of faith. So Jesus
is wrong.
But Jesus is the Son of God, and can't be wrong on the matter.
Norman, coordinate!
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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16 Apr 2005 12:18:04 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:03:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
Really? Jesus diagrees.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I
say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and
when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen
do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father
knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Funny, but Jesus says that prayer should be a personal, private thing,
and not done in public with repetitions.. which is exactly what a mass
is, right?
No, and nope.
Yes, and yep.
First. Jesus said not to pray so as to impress other men. God sees your
prayers wherever you are.
No, Jesus said to go into your closet and pray in private. Praying in
public, such as Mass, is done to in "synagogues", and will be "seen of
men". Look at Matthew 6:6. "Enter thy closet" and "pray to the Father
which is in secret".
He also said "use not vain repititions".
Secondly, Jesus said that whenever 2 or more gather in my name, I am with you.
The mass is a gathering of believers for common prayer to God.
So, your interpretation of "pray in private" is to "pray in public", eh?
So, who's right.. the Pope or Jesus Christ?
Both. The Holy Father repeats the words of Christ.
And somehow the words of Christ disagree with "the holy father", unless
you take that "praying in private" means to "pray in public" interpretation.
Jesus weeps.
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16 Apr 2005 12:21:41 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:18:04 -0700, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:03:23 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
Really? Jesus diagrees.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the
hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I
say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and
when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret;
and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen
do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father
knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Funny, but Jesus says that prayer should be a personal, private thing,
and not done in public with repetitions.. which is exactly what a mass
is, right?
No, and nope.
Yes, and yep.
First. Jesus said not to pray so as to impress other men. God sees your
prayers wherever you are.
No, Jesus said to go into your closet and pray in private. Praying in
public, such as Mass, is done to in "synagogues", and will be "seen of
men". Look at Matthew 6:6. "Enter thy closet" and "pray to the Father
which is in secret".
I suggest you read Matthew 6:5. It explains it all. It's right up there at the
top of this post.
He also said "use not vain repititions".
Right. He said avoid "vain repetition", he didn't say that repetition was vain.
Secondly, Jesus said that whenever 2 or more gather in my name, I am with you.
The mass is a gathering of believers for common prayer to God.
So, your interpretation of "pray in private" is to "pray in public", eh?
At Mass, we're there to pray together, not to pray to impress each other, of
which we are all doing the same thing.
So, who's right.. the Pope or Jesus Christ?
Both. The Holy Father repeats the words of Christ.
And somehow the words of Christ disagree with "the holy father", unless
you take that "praying in private" means to "pray in public" interpretation.
What you an atheist joys in defining disagreement I define as joy following
Christ.
Jesus weeps.
Yep, he's hoping you can change your ways.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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