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OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3256257
Article Last Updated: 11/27/2005 01:09:27 AM
3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy
Legal challenge: Salt Lake City lawyer Brian Barnard says the ban is
unconstitutional
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Until 1963, interracial marriages were illegal in Utah. Residents who
suffered chronic epileptic seizures and were not sterilized also were
barred from marrying in the state.
And, until 1993, anyone who had syphilis, gonorrhea or HIV could
not make that walk down the aisle.
Now, in 2005, three Utahns who want to unite as husband, wife and
wife say their preferred form of marriage also should be allowed.
They are asking the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to reverse a
federal judge's rejection of their challenge to state prohibitions
against bigamy and polygamy.
"The fact [that] much of American legal culture is based on
monogamy does not justify a ban on polygamy," their attorney, Brian
Barnard, of Salt Lake City, wrote in a brief filed this month with the
Denver-based appeals court.
Barnard argued that a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision striking
down a Texas law that prohibited sexual conduct between same-sex
couples "provides individuals with protection from state intrusion as
to intimate relationships."
On Dec. 22, 2003, G. Lee Cook tried to obtain a marriage license
from the Salt Lake County Clerk's Office to wed a woman, identified in
court papers as J. Bronson. Cook's legal wife was identified as D.
Cook. G. Lee Cook wrote on the application that he already was married
and told clerks that he wanted to legally marry a second wife. The
clerks refused to issue a marriage license and refunded a $50 fee.
The three - who are all more than 45 years old and say polygamous
marriage is a requirement for their exaltation and eternal salvation -
filed suit in federal court against the clerks. The legal action seeks
to overturn an 1879 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, Reynolds v.
United States, that upheld Utah's ban on polygamy.
In February, U.S. District Judge Ted Stewart rejected the argument
that the prohibition on polygamy is an unconstitutional violation of
religious and privacy rights and ruled that the state has an interest
in protecting monogamous marriage.
Stewart also ruled that even the 2003 opinion in Lawrence v. Texas
over the sodomy law did not grant a right to plural marriage, noting
that the laws against bigamy and polygamy do not preclude private
sexual conduct.
Under Utah law, Barnard says, married people living in a sexual
relationship with someone who is not their spouse is guilty of bigamy,
and deceit or a second marriage ceremony are not required elements of
the crime. But although that provision makes it illegal for a married
man to live with a girlfriend before his divorce is final, the law has
been used to target polygamists, he contends.
There is no compelling governmental interest that makes the
prohibition against religious polygamy constitutional, he argues in
the brief.
Utah also officially abandoned plural marriage, in part, lawyers
for the state say, because of social problems associated with
polygamy; the exploitation of women and girls; and the encouragement
of responsible procreation.
Barnard counters that the state does not regulate exploitative
relationships between other couples, and if there were a compelling
reason to promote responsible procreation, Utah would step into all
family situations. Yet, there are no sanctions against an unwed mother
who rears children alone, and there is no statute barring parents from
divorcing and raising their children in separate households.
"The state does not restrict nor ban 'serial polygamists,'
individuals who repeatedly marry, conceive children and divorce a
series of spouses."
/end
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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28 Nov 2005 12:03:12 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
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28 Nov 2005 02:47:19 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
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28 Nov 2005 08:59:33 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
You mean you are in favor of middle-aged men marrying
12 and 13 year old children?
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28 Nov 2005 09:53:17 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
You mean you are in favor of middle-aged men marrying
12 and 13 year old children?
I don't think that's very cool, but not unheard of and consequences are
what?
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| User: "Kate " |
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28 Nov 2005 03:04:02 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:53:17 GMT, "Ike"
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
You mean you are in favor of middle-aged men marrying
12 and 13 year old children?
I don't think that's very cool, but not unheard of and consequences are
what?
That young men are driven out of a community because the old men want
all the young girls.
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01 Dec 2005 10:26:13 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:53:17 GMT, "Ike"
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
You mean you are in favor of middle-aged men marrying
12 and 13 year old children?
I don't think that's very cool, but not unheard of and consequences are
what?
That young men are driven out of a community because the old men want
all the young girls.
In what, a taxi?
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Dec 2005 08:26:43 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:26:13 GMT, "Ike"
<accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
You mean you are in favor of middle-aged men marrying
12 and 13 year old children?
I don't think that's very cool, but not unheard of and consequences are
what?
That young men are driven out of a community because the old men want
all the young girls.
In what, a taxi?
A rail.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Nov 2005 11:40:24 PM |
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On 28 Nov 2005 09:04:02 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:53:17 GMT, "Ike"
<accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
You mean you are in favor of middle-aged men marrying
12 and 13 year old children?
I don't think that's very cool, but not unheard of and consequences are
what?
That young men are driven out of a community because the old men want
all the young girls.
Like the Jeffs character who's on the run from the feds.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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28 Nov 2005 03:34:34 AM |
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"Ike" <accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote in news:Xcuif.6474
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
Personally, I don't give a rat's ***** one way or the other. It's just not
my place to care about other people's personal lives. Who they love, who
they *****, as long as they're all consenting adults, I really don't think
I have the right to an opinion.
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.musings.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense,
has always been and always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot."
-- Eugene Gladstone O'Neill, American playwright (1888-1953)
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30 Nov 2005 11:39:26 PM |
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On 28 Nov 2005 03:34:34 GMT, Enkidu the Atheist <enkidu@leaddogs.org>
wrote:
"Ike" <accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote in news:Xcuif.6474
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
Personally, I don't give a rat's ***** one way or the other. It's just not
my place to care about other people's personal lives. Who they love, who
they *****, as long as they're all consenting adults, I really don't think
I have the right to an opinion.
You've the right to an opinion. And it's fully your opinion to hold.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Nov 2005 02:50:05 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:47:19 GMT, "Ike"
<accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
And if you didn't like it, what then?
Doesn't arise.
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Nov 2005 11:38:31 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:03:12 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:58:41 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
I've no problem with it as long as they are all consenting adults. One
of the problems with polygamy in the past, is that it has involved
arranged marriages for minors.
Agreed.
Part of what I see as the problem is, in the Mormon household, the
male is, effectively, god.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Ash" |
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28 Nov 2005 05:47:02 PM |
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stoney wrote:
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3256257
Article Last Updated: 11/27/2005 01:09:27 AM
3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy
Legal challenge: Salt Lake City lawyer Brian Barnard says the ban is
unconstitutional
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Until 1963, interracial marriages were illegal in Utah. Residents who
suffered chronic epileptic seizures and were not sterilized also were
barred from marrying in the state.
Out of curiosity, how was this overturned? Did the legislature vote to
allow it, or did judges decide that was unconstitutional?
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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28 Nov 2005 06:02:19 PM |
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Ash <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
stoney wrote:
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3256257
Article Last Updated: 11/27/2005 01:09:27 AM
3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy
Legal challenge: Salt Lake City lawyer Brian Barnard says the ban is
unconstitutional
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Until 1963, interracial marriages were illegal in Utah. Residents who
suffered chronic epileptic seizures and were not sterilized also were
barred from marrying in the state.
Out of curiosity, how was this overturned? Did the legislature vote to
allow it, or did judges decide that was unconstitutional?
Interracial marriage bans were struck down by the supreme court
in Loving vs. Virginia in 1963; as this decision ruled that
marriage was a civil right, it's likely that decision also
struck down medical restrictions, but I'm not sure if this
took more court rulings.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "stoney" |
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30 Nov 2005 11:42:12 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:02:19 -0000, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com>
wrote:
Ash <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> writes:
stoney wrote:
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3256257
Article Last Updated: 11/27/2005 01:09:27 AM
3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy
Legal challenge: Salt Lake City lawyer Brian Barnard says the ban is
unconstitutional
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Until 1963, interracial marriages were illegal in Utah. Residents who
suffered chronic epileptic seizures and were not sterilized also were
barred from marrying in the state.
Out of curiosity, how was this overturned? Did the legislature vote to
allow it, or did judges decide that was unconstitutional?
Interracial marriage bans were struck down by the supreme court
in Loving vs. Virginia in 1963;
IIRC 1967. /cue google search
LOVING ET UX. v. VIRGINIA. SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES. 388 US
1. June 12, 1967, /end quote
Virginia wasn't Loving at all. Ahhhh, Christianity.
as this decision ruled that
marriage was a civil right, it's likely that decision also
struck down medical restrictions, but I'm not sure if this
took more court rulings.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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28 Nov 2005 09:57:10 PM |
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stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
:D
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_3256257
Article Last Updated: 11/27/2005 01:09:27 AM
3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy
Legal challenge: Salt Lake City lawyer Brian Barnard says the ban is
unconstitutional
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
Until 1963, interracial marriages were illegal in Utah. Residents who
suffered chronic epileptic seizures and were not sterilized also were
barred from marrying in the state.
And, until 1993, anyone who had syphilis, gonorrhea or HIV could
not make that walk down the aisle.
Now, in 2005, three Utahns who want to unite as husband, wife and
wife say their preferred form of marriage also should be allowed.
They are asking the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to reverse a
federal judge's rejection of their challenge to state prohibitions
against bigamy and polygamy.
"The fact [that] much of American legal culture is based on
monogamy does not justify a ban on polygamy," their attorney, Brian
Barnard, of Salt Lake City, wrote in a brief filed this month with the
Denver-based appeals court.
Barnard argued that a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision striking
down a Texas law that prohibited sexual conduct between same-sex
couples "provides individuals with protection from state intrusion as
to intimate relationships."
On Dec. 22, 2003, G. Lee Cook tried to obtain a marriage license
from the Salt Lake County Clerk's Office to wed a woman, identified in
court papers as J. Bronson. Cook's legal wife was identified as D.
Cook. G. Lee Cook wrote on the application that he already was married
and told clerks that he wanted to legally marry a second wife. The
clerks refused to issue a marriage license and refunded a $50 fee.
The three - who are all more than 45 years old and say polygamous
marriage is a requirement for their exaltation and eternal salvation -
filed suit in federal court against the clerks. The legal action seeks
to overturn an 1879 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, Reynolds v.
United States, that upheld Utah's ban on polygamy.
In February, U.S. District Judge Ted Stewart rejected the argument
that the prohibition on polygamy is an unconstitutional violation of
religious and privacy rights and ruled that the state has an interest
in protecting monogamous marriage.
Stewart also ruled that even the 2003 opinion in Lawrence v. Texas
over the sodomy law did not grant a right to plural marriage, noting
that the laws against bigamy and polygamy do not preclude private
sexual conduct.
Under Utah law, Barnard says, married people living in a sexual
relationship with someone who is not their spouse is guilty of bigamy,
and deceit or a second marriage ceremony are not required elements of
the crime. But although that provision makes it illegal for a married
man to live with a girlfriend before his divorce is final, the law has
been used to target polygamists, he contends.
There is no compelling governmental interest that makes the
prohibition against religious polygamy constitutional, he argues in
the brief.
Utah also officially abandoned plural marriage, in part, lawyers
for the state say, because of social problems associated with
polygamy; the exploitation of women and girls; and the encouragement
of responsible procreation.
Barnard counters that the state does not regulate exploitative
relationships between other couples, and if there were a compelling
reason to promote responsible procreation, Utah would step into all
family situations. Yet, there are no sanctions against an unwed mother
who rears children alone, and there is no statute barring parents from
divorcing and raising their children in separate households.
"The state does not restrict nor ban 'serial polygamists,'
individuals who repeatedly marry, conceive children and divorce a
series of spouses."
pmanson@sltrib.com
/end
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
29 Nov 2005 04:42:04 AM |
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Jimmy B. wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
:D
A man doesn't have to be a polygamist to have one wife too many.
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Jack
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
30 Nov 2005 11:42:44 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
:D
Then there's the alimony. :eek:
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
28 Nov 2005 10:17:37 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
29 Nov 2005 04:44:40 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
Not familiar with Utah culture, eh? In many cases your mother in law is
also one of your wives.
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Jack
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
30 Nov 2005 11:45:01 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:44:40 -0700, nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
Not familiar with Utah culture, eh?
/tic alert
They've evolved culture?
/tic
In many cases your mother in law is
also one of your wives.
I'm sure there's lots of foxy milf mother-in-laws.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "nJb" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
01 Dec 2005 04:41:48 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:44:40 -0700, nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
Not familiar with Utah culture, eh?
/tic alert
They've evolved culture?
/tic
Sorry. I meant cult ya'll.
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Jack
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
01 Dec 2005 08:27:30 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:41:48 -0700, nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:44:40 -0700, nJb <none@nowhere.com> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
Not familiar with Utah culture, eh?
/tic alert
They've evolved culture?
/tic
Sorry. I meant cult ya'll.
Utah 'makes my skin crawl.'
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
30 Nov 2005 11:43:05 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:17:37 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
eeeeerrrrrkkkkkkk
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
28 Nov 2005 10:23:03 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:17:37 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<ne0no1h5ao7lkvjimipma6lndrk5jo12d6@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
I think that judge had only one mother in law. All of his wives were
sisters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: 3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy |
30 Nov 2005 11:43:40 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:23:03 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:17:37 -0500, in alt.atheism
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
<ne0no1h5ao7lkvjimipma6lndrk5jo12d6@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:10 GMT, "Jimmy B."
<jimpppe@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Hey stoney:
Q: What is the punishment for polygamy?
A: Multiple wives!!!
Wrong. Multiple mothers in law.
I think that judge had only one mother in law. All of his wives were
sisters.
Not so much 'hell toupe'......
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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