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User: "stoney"
Date: 28 Oct 2003 06:51:31 PM
Object: OT: California Fires
Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.
Psalm 91 (kjv)
9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most
High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh
thy dwelling.
1 Thessalonians 5 (KJV)
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God
in Christ Jesus concerning you.
James 1
Trials and Temptations
2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of
many kinds,
3 because you know that the testing of your faith develops
perseverance.
© Copyright 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
2 Timothy 3 (kjv)
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which
are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in
Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 29 Oct 2003 01:03:08 AM
In article <2d3upvcogsvlpalf5o73b0g2aj98ngsodr@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.

I'm waiting for Robertson to say something about *GAWD* punishing
Southern California for all of its wickedness just like Sodom and
Gomorrah.


Psalm 91 (kjv)

9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most
High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh
thy dwelling.

1 Thessalonians 5 (KJV)

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God
in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Yeah. Thanks a lot, Jeebus.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
.

User: ""

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 29 Oct 2003 06:04:59 AM
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:51:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> thrilled
us all with:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.

So far, my house is still standing. Does this mean that god doesn't
want to punish California's atheists.
Seriously, a lot of my friends have lost their houses in the Old
Waterman Canyon fire, which was set by an idiot shooting a flares from
a van (according to witnesses). I don't care what their religion is.
They are now homeless.
Faith
AKA ClaySkye
AKA #4
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 12:51:06 AM
In article <s3bvpv88lsimf97ok3uskhiirml2bmpgpk@4ax.com>,
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:51:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> thrilled
us all with:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


So far, my house is still standing. Does this mean that god doesn't
want to punish California's atheists.

Seriously, a lot of my friends have lost their houses in the Old
Waterman Canyon fire, which was set by an idiot shooting a flares from
a van (according to witnesses).

The big one in San Diego was started by some idiot who got lost while
hunting and started a fire to get the attention of his friend. He has
lots of attention now.

I don't care what their religion is. They are now homeless.

I feel bad for everyone in that position.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
.
User: "Ron Baker"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 01:51:21 AM
"johac" <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote in message
news:jhachm-45BA6D.22510629102003@central.giganews.com...

In article <s3bvpv88lsimf97ok3uskhiirml2bmpgpk@4ax.com>,
Hope3010@earthlink.net wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:51:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> thrilled
us all with:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


So far, my house is still standing. Does this mean that god doesn't
want to punish California's atheists.

Seriously, a lot of my friends have lost their houses in the Old
Waterman Canyon fire, which was set by an idiot shooting a flares from
a van (according to witnesses).


The big one in San Diego was started by some idiot who got lost while
hunting and started a fire to get the attention of his friend. He has
lots of attention now.

That story gets more interesting.
As I have heard, he was rescued by helicopter.
The rescuers saw the fire and notified their command.
Their command had fire fighting helicopters available.
They asked higher ups for permission to send them out to
put the fire out. They were ordered not to, supposedly because a
different organization had a contract to perform fire control
in that area.
We'll see how much of all that is confirmed but
it would explain why the hunter is free and facing
relatively minor charges.
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 03 Nov 2003 07:42:52 PM
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:04:59 GMT,
posted in
alt.atheism:

Seriously, a lot of my friends have lost their houses in the Old
Waterman Canyon fire, which was set by an idiot shooting a flares from
a van (according to witnesses).

I don't know your friends, but I'm glad you and the kids are all
right.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
.

User: "stoney"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 29 Oct 2003 11:04:55 PM
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:04:59 GMT, Hope3010@earthlink.net, Message ID:
<s3bvpv88lsimf97ok3uskhiirml2bmpgpk@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:51:31 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> thrilled
us all with:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


So far, my house is still standing. Does this mean that god doesn't
want to punish California's atheists.

Well, he never could aim worth a *****.

Seriously, a lot of my friends have lost their houses in the Old
Waterman Canyon fire, which was set by an idiot shooting a flares from
a van (according to witnesses). I don't care what their religion is.
They are now homeless.

I agree. It's one hellacious time for a lot of fine folks. :\


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.


User: "Joey"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 28 Oct 2003 08:01:05 PM
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:2d3upvcogsvlpalf5o73b0g2aj98ngsodr@
4ax.com:


Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.

Think of the bright side. We don't have to go to hell now. It's already
here.
Joey
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 29 Oct 2003 11:03:33 PM
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:01:05 GMT, Joey <with@held.com>, Message ID:
<BbFnb.37721$mZ5.197338@attbi_s54> wrote in alt.atheism;

stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in news:2d3upvcogsvlpalf5o73b0g2aj98ngsodr@
4ax.com:


Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


Think of the bright side. We don't have to go to hell now. It's already
here.

But do you have enough marshmellows?


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.


User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 29 Oct 2003 11:42:34 PM
stoney wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.

He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 09:01:33 AM
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stoney wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.

It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.
Enkidu
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User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 10:17:31 AM
Enkidu wrote:

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stoney wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.

Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major wildfire
can't just race across the whole state.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey?"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 09:21:01 PM
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:31 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

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stoney wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.


Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major wildfire
can't just race across the whole state.

So which treehugger was against clearing dead brushes?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -357 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 10:38:06 PM
Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:31 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Enkidu wrote:

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stoney wrote:


Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.


Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major wildfire
can't just race across the whole state.


So which treehugger was against clearing dead brushes?

The ones who were more worried about not supporting the logging industry
than they are about keeping neighborhoods from getting smoked. Don't
tell me you haven't heard them before this. They're probably the ones
going around being *very* quiet right about now.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 31 Oct 2003 08:56:09 AM
Fred Stone wrote:

Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:31 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Enkidu wrote:

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stoney wrote:


Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so
much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.




It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low
brush.


Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major
wildfire can't just race across the whole state.



So which treehugger was against clearing dead brushes?



The ones who were more worried about not supporting the logging industry
than they are about keeping neighborhoods from getting smoked. Don't
tell me you haven't heard them before this. They're probably the ones
going around being *very* quiet right about now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101730,00.html

California Fires Reignite Forest Thinning Debate


Friday, October 31, 2003
By Steven Milloy
"Our forests are detonating like napalm bombs. We need to remove dead
and dying bug-killed timber," said Rep. Wally Herger, R-Calif.

Is this Monday-morning quarterbacking spurred by the wildfires now
raging in California? Hardly.
Rep. Herger uttered those words in August 1994 as part of his demand
that Congress declare a state of emergency in federal forests to permit
quick removal of dead trees, fallen branches and other debris that fuel
wildfires -- like those that burned 3 million Western acres and killed
14 firefighters that year.
A spokesman for the Natural Resources Defense Council (search) responded
at the time by calling Rep. Herger’s demand “a pretext for accelerated
logging in the Sierra Nevada.”
Nine years later, though, Rep. Herger’s demand is looking pretty prescient.
Over 700,000 acres have burned so far this year in California alone,
along with the loss of 20 lives and more than 2,600 homes destroyed.
Last year, wildfires burned nearly 7 million acres, killed 23
firefighters, destroyed more than 800 homes and cost taxpayers more than
$1.5 billion.
So what do the environmentalists have to say?
A spokesperson for the Natural Resources Defense Council called
President Bush’s proposed plan to prevent forest fires by thinning
excess growth “a Trojan horse” for sneaking through logging (search)
projects.
As the Western forests burn -- and people die and homes are destroyed --
environmentalists and their political allies in Congress only seem
concerned that some “old growth” trees may be cut in the process of
thinning the nation’s tinder traps. Their nonsensical opposition to
thinning only makes it easier for wildfires to spread out of control.
That’s positively cuckoo...
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.

User: "Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey?"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 31 Oct 2003 10:13:45 PM
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:38:06 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:31 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Enkidu wrote:

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stoney wrote:


Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.


Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major wildfire
can't just race across the whole state.


So which treehugger was against clearing dead brushes?


The ones who were more worried about not supporting the logging industry
than they are about keeping neighborhoods from getting smoked. Don't
tell me you haven't heard them before this. They're probably the ones
going around being *very* quiet right about now.

You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
clearing *dead* brushes per se?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -357 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 01 Nov 2003 07:31:08 AM
Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:38:06 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:31 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:



Enkidu wrote:


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stoney wrote:



Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.


Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major wildfire
can't just race across the whole state.


So which treehugger was against clearing dead brushes?


The ones who were more worried about not supporting the logging industry
than they are about keeping neighborhoods from getting smoked. Don't
tell me you haven't heard them before this. They're probably the ones
going around being *very* quiet right about now.




You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
clearing *dead* brushes per se?

The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.
They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
logging industry" policy.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Fear gan dia"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 02 Nov 2003 11:41:56 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
in <vq7dc5pqivon2e@news.supernews.com>:
# Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
#
# > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:38:06 -0500, Fred Stone
# > <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
# >
# >
# >>Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
# >>
# >>>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:31 -0500, Fred Stone
# >>><fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>>Enkidu wrote:
# >>>>
# >>>>
# >>>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
# >>>>>Hash: SHA1
# >>>>>
# >>>>>"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
# >>>>>news:vq1963di9l9667@news.supernews.com...
# >>>>>
# >>>>>
# >>>>>
# >>>>>>stoney wrote:
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>>Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
# >>>>>>>that he's burning everything in sight.
# >>>>>>>
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
# >>>>>>said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
# >>>>>>logging industry.
# >>>>>
# >>>>>
# >>>>>It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.
# >>>>>
# >>>>
# >>>>Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
# >>>>brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major wildfire
# >>>>can't just race across the whole state.
# >>>
# >>>So which treehugger was against clearing dead brushes?
# >>>
# >>
# >>The ones who were more worried about not supporting the logging industry
# >>than they are about keeping neighborhoods from getting smoked. Don't
# >>tell me you haven't heard them before this. They're probably the ones
# >>going around being *very* quiet right about now.
# >
# >
# >
# > You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
# > clearing *dead* brushes per se?
# >
#
# The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.
As always, you are lying. The Sierra Club has stated clearly
that it support clearing dead brush at the interface between
forests and inhabited areas.
http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp
Junior's so called "Healthy Forests Initiative" has NOTHING -
zero, zip, nada - to do with fire safety. It's all about clear-
cutting old-growth trees in remote areas like Tongass and Chugach
National Forests in Alaska. It creates windfall profit for the
lumber mega-corporations but won't stop a single fire.
<weasel alert>
# They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
# logging industry" policy.
Care to explain why the mega-corporations are entitled
to billions of dollars in corporate welfare, paid from
my hard-earned taxes?
--
Fear gan dia ### http://goddamliberal.port5.com
Defeat the caviar-eating invasion monkeys!
Re-elect a Democrat in '04.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 03 Nov 2003 07:38:31 AM
Fear gan dia wrote:

Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
in <vq7dc5pqivon2e@news.supernews.com>:

# Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
#
# > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:38:06 -0500, Fred Stone
# > <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
# >
# >
# >>Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
# >>
# >>>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:17:31 -0500, Fred Stone
# >>><fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>
# >>>>Enkidu wrote:
# >>>>
# >>>>
# >>>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
# >>>>>Hash: SHA1
# >>>>>
# >>>>>"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
# >>>>>news:vq1963di9l9667@news.supernews.com...
# >>>>>
# >>>>>
# >>>>>
# >>>>>>stoney wrote:
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>>Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
# >>>>>>>that he's burning everything in sight.
# >>>>>>>
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
# >>>>>>said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
# >>>>>>logging industry.
# >>>>>
# >>>>>
# >>>>>It's not trees doing most of the burning around here. It's the low brush.
# >>>>>
# >>>>
# >>>>Precisely. "Forest Fire Management" involves stuff like clearing dead
# >>>>brush and doing controlled burns and firebreaks so that a major wildfire
# >>>>can't just race across the whole state.
# >>>
# >>>So which treehugger was against clearing dead brushes?
# >>>
# >>
# >>The ones who were more worried about not supporting the logging industry
# >>than they are about keeping neighborhoods from getting smoked. Don't
# >>tell me you haven't heard them before this. They're probably the ones
# >>going around being *very* quiet right about now.
# >
# >
# >
# > You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
# > clearing *dead* brushes per se?
# >
#
# The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.

As always, you are lying.

<weasel alert>

The Sierra Club has stated clearly
that it support clearing dead brush at the interface between
forests and inhabited areas.

http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp

Junior's so called "Healthy Forests Initiative" has NOTHING -
zero, zip, nada - to do with fire safety. It's all about clear-
cutting old-growth trees in remote areas like Tongass and Chugach
National Forests in Alaska. It creates windfall profit for the
lumber mega-corporations but won't stop a single fire.

<weasel alert>
# They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
# logging industry" policy.

Care to explain why the mega-corporations are entitled
to billions of dollars in corporate welfare, paid from
my hard-earned taxes?

Care to explain why the government isn't supposed to pay for services?

--
Fear gan dia ### http://goddamliberal.port5.com
Defeat the caviar-eating invasion monkeys!
Re-elect a Democrat in '04.

--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Fear gan dia"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 03 Nov 2003 12:02:04 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
in <vqcmhaaq8vpuac@news.supernews.com>:
# Fear gan dia wrote:
# > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > in <vq7dc5pqivon2e@news.supernews.com>:
# >
# > # Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
# > # > You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
# > # > clearing *dead* brushes per se?
# > # >
# > #
# > # The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.
# >
# > As always, you are lying.
#
# <weasel alert>
#
# > The Sierra Club has stated clearly
# > that it support clearing dead brush at the interface between
# > forests and inhabited areas.
# >
# > http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp
# >
# > Junior's so called "Healthy Forests Initiative" has NOTHING -
# > zero, zip, nada - to do with fire safety. It's all about clear-
# > cutting old-growth trees in remote areas like Tongass and Chugach
# > National Forests in Alaska. It creates windfall profit for the
# > lumber mega-corporations but won't stop a single fire.
# >
#
# > <weasel alert>
# > # They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
# > # logging industry" policy.
# >
# > Care to explain why the mega-corporations are entitled
# > to billions of dollars in corporate welfare, paid from
# > my hard-earned taxes?
# >
#
#
# Care to explain why the government isn't supposed to pay for services?
What services? How is clear-cutting old-growth forest in
Alaska a "service" that will mitigate fire risk in
California? And why is billions of tax dollars being spent
carving out roads in wilderness areas to let the mega-
corporations get in and clear-cut the forest, taking the
lumber for pennies on the dollar, polluting streams and
groundwater, and eroding soil?
You're still trying to weasel out of answering questions,
and not doing a very good job.
--
Fear gan dia ### http://goddamliberal.port5.com
Defeat the caviar-eating invasion monkeys!
Re-elect a Democrat in '04.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 03 Nov 2003 12:23:45 PM
Fear gan dia wrote:

Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
in <vqcmhaaq8vpuac@news.supernews.com>:

# Fear gan dia wrote:
# > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > in <vq7dc5pqivon2e@news.supernews.com>:
# >
# > # Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:

# > # > You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
# > # > clearing *dead* brushes per se?
# > # >
# > #
# > # The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.
# >
# > As always, you are lying.
#
# <weasel alert>
#
# > The Sierra Club has stated clearly
# > that it support clearing dead brush at the interface between
# > forests and inhabited areas.
# >
# > http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp
# >
# > Junior's so called "Healthy Forests Initiative" has NOTHING -
# > zero, zip, nada - to do with fire safety. It's all about clear-
# > cutting old-growth trees in remote areas like Tongass and Chugach
# > National Forests in Alaska. It creates windfall profit for the
# > lumber mega-corporations but won't stop a single fire.
# >
#
# > <weasel alert>
# > # They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
# > # logging industry" policy.
# >
# > Care to explain why the mega-corporations are entitled
# > to billions of dollars in corporate welfare, paid from
# > my hard-earned taxes?
# >
#
#
# Care to explain why the government isn't supposed to pay for services?

What services? How is clear-cutting old-growth forest in
Alaska a "service" that will mitigate fire risk in
California?

How does ignoring California make this about Alaska? How did this
suddenly become a debate about one specific bill?

And why is billions of tax dollars being spent
carving out roads in wilderness areas to let the mega-
corporations get in and clear-cut the forest, taking the
lumber for pennies on the dollar, polluting streams and
groundwater, and eroding soil?

Doesn't that lie from the Sierra Club get old after a while? They've
been recycling that same "analysis" of Federal forestry policy since the
seventies, at least.


You're still trying to weasel out of answering questions,
and not doing a very good job.

What kind of ***** questions are those anyway? How is talking about
Alaska policy anything to do with California timber management, which Oh
By The Way is partly a state responsibility?
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Fear gan dia"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 03 Nov 2003 12:38:08 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
in <vqd79he4mb6sb7@news.supernews.com>:
# Fear gan dia wrote:
#
# > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > in <vqcmhaaq8vpuac@news.supernews.com>:
# >
# > # Fear gan dia wrote:
# > # > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > # > in <vq7dc5pqivon2e@news.supernews.com>:
# > # >
# > # > # Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
# >
# > # > # > You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
# > # > # > clearing *dead* brushes per se?
# > # > # >
# > # > #
# > # > # The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.
# > # >
# > # > As always, you are lying.
# > #
# > # <weasel alert>
# > #
# > # > The Sierra Club has stated clearly
# > # > that it support clearing dead brush at the interface between
# > # > forests and inhabited areas.
# > # >
# > # > http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp
# > # >
# > # > Junior's so called "Healthy Forests Initiative" has NOTHING -
# > # > zero, zip, nada - to do with fire safety. It's all about clear-
# > # > cutting old-growth trees in remote areas like Tongass and Chugach
# > # > National Forests in Alaska. It creates windfall profit for the
# > # > lumber mega-corporations but won't stop a single fire.
# > # >
# > #
# > # > <weasel alert>
# > # > # They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
# > # > # logging industry" policy.
# > # >
# > # > Care to explain why the mega-corporations are entitled
# > # > to billions of dollars in corporate welfare, paid from
# > # > my hard-earned taxes?
# > # >
# > #
# > #
# > # Care to explain why the government isn't supposed to pay for services?
# >
# > What services? How is clear-cutting old-growth forest in
# > Alaska a "service" that will mitigate fire risk in
# > California?
#
# How does ignoring California make this about Alaska? How did this
# suddenly become a debate about one specific bill?
#
# > And why is billions of tax dollars being spent
# > carving out roads in wilderness areas to let the mega-
# > corporations get in and clear-cut the forest, taking the
# > lumber for pennies on the dollar, polluting streams and
# > groundwater, and eroding soil?
#
# Doesn't that lie from the Sierra Club get old after a while? They've
# been recycling that same "analysis" of Federal forestry policy since the
# seventies, at least.
#
# >
# > You're still trying to weasel out of answering questions,
# > and not doing a very good job.
# >
#
# What kind of ***** questions are those anyway? How is talking about
# Alaska policy anything to do with California timber management, which Oh
# By The Way is partly a state responsibility?
You are such a lying weasel. The Sierra Club and local
forest managers are in agreement on the need to thin
brush near inhabited areas (another lie of yours exposed)
but the fat cats in Washington are starving these thinning
projects of funds and instead diverting the money to places
like Alaska. The "Healthy Profits Initiative" will pour
billions of dollars in corporate welfare into the coffers
of the lumber mega-corporations but do sweet ***** all to
mitigate fire risk. Get your head out of your ***** for once.
--
Fear gan dia ### http://goddamliberal.port5.com
Defeat the caviar-eating invasion monkeys!
Re-elect a Democrat in '04.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 03 Nov 2003 05:19:10 PM
Fear gan dia wrote:

Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
in <vqd79he4mb6sb7@news.supernews.com>:

# Fear gan dia wrote:
#
# > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > in <vqcmhaaq8vpuac@news.supernews.com>:
# >
# > # Fear gan dia wrote:
# > # > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > # > in <vq7dc5pqivon2e@news.supernews.com>:
# > # >
# > # > # Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
# >
# > # > # > You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
# > # > # > clearing *dead* brushes per se?
# > # > # >
# > # > #
# > # > # The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.
# > # >
# > # > As always, you are lying.
# > #
# > # <weasel alert>
# > #
# > # > The Sierra Club has stated clearly
# > # > that it support clearing dead brush at the interface between
# > # > forests and inhabited areas.
# > # >
# > # > http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp
# > # >
# > # > Junior's so called "Healthy Forests Initiative" has NOTHING -
# > # > zero, zip, nada - to do with fire safety. It's all about clear-
# > # > cutting old-growth trees in remote areas like Tongass and Chugach
# > # > National Forests in Alaska. It creates windfall profit for the
# > # > lumber mega-corporations but won't stop a single fire.
# > # >
# > #
# > # > <weasel alert>
# > # > # They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
# > # > # logging industry" policy.
# > # >
# > # > Care to explain why the mega-corporations are entitled
# > # > to billions of dollars in corporate welfare, paid from
# > # > my hard-earned taxes?
# > # >
# > #
# > #
# > # Care to explain why the government isn't supposed to pay for services?
# >
# > What services? How is clear-cutting old-growth forest in
# > Alaska a "service" that will mitigate fire risk in
# > California?
#
# How does ignoring California make this about Alaska? How did this
# suddenly become a debate about one specific bill?
#
# > And why is billions of tax dollars being spent
# > carving out roads in wilderness areas to let the mega-
# > corporations get in and clear-cut the forest, taking the
# > lumber for pennies on the dollar, polluting streams and
# > groundwater, and eroding soil?
#
# Doesn't that lie from the Sierra Club get old after a while? They've
# been recycling that same "analysis" of Federal forestry policy since the
# seventies, at least.
#
# >
# > You're still trying to weasel out of answering questions,
# > and not doing a very good job.
# >
#
# What kind of ***** questions are those anyway? How is talking about
# Alaska policy anything to do with California timber management, which Oh
# By The Way is partly a state responsibility?

You are such a lying weasel. The Sierra Club and local
forest managers are in agreement on the need to thin
brush near inhabited areas (another lie of yours exposed)

So they say, and then they hang all their stupid baggage onto any
proposal to implement it.

but the fat cats in Washington are starving these thinning
projects of funds and instead diverting the money to places
like Alaska.

Just like that.

The "Healthy Profits Initiative" will pour
billions of dollars in corporate welfare into the coffers
of the lumber mega-corporations but do sweet ***** all to
mitigate fire risk. Get your head out of your ***** for once.

Oh yawn. Did you copy that out of the Sierra Club's pamphlets?
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Fear gan dia"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 03 Nov 2003 08:16:15 PM
Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
in <vqdojcbq2irlcb@news.supernews.com>:
# Fear gan dia wrote:
# > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > in <vqd79he4mb6sb7@news.supernews.com>:
# >
# > # Fear gan dia wrote:
# > #
# > # > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > # > in <vqcmhaaq8vpuac@news.supernews.com>:
# > # >
# > # > # Fear gan dia wrote:
# > # > # > Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
# > # > # > in <vq7dc5pqivon2e@news.supernews.com>:
# > # > # >
# > # > # > # Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:
# > # >
# > # > # > # > You're not answering my question. Which treehugger was against
# > # > # > # > clearing *dead* brushes per se?
# > # > # > # >
# > # > # > #
# > # > # > # The NRDC, the Sierra Club, Earth First!, and the whole damned panoply.
# > # > # >
# > # > # > As always, you are lying.
# > # > #
# > # > # <weasel alert>
# > # > #
# > # > # > The Sierra Club has stated clearly
# > # > # > that it support clearing dead brush at the interface between
# > # > # > forests and inhabited areas.
# > # > # >
# > # > # > http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp
# > # > # >
# > # > # > Junior's so called "Healthy Forests Initiative" has NOTHING -
# > # > # > zero, zip, nada - to do with fire safety. It's all about clear-
# > # > # > cutting old-growth trees in remote areas like Tongass and Chugach
# > # > # > National Forests in Alaska. It creates windfall profit for the
# > # > # > lumber mega-corporations but won't stop a single fire.
# > # > # >
# > # > #
# > # > # > <weasel alert>
# > # > # > # They didn't *say* that, but that's the result of their "no help for the
# > # > # > # logging industry" policy.
# > # > # >
# > # > # > Care to explain why the mega-corporations are entitled
# > # > # > to billions of dollars in corporate welfare, paid from
# > # > # > my hard-earned taxes?
# > # > # >
# > # > #
# > # > #
# > # > # Care to explain why the government isn't supposed to pay for services?
# > # >
# > # > What services? How is clear-cutting old-growth forest in
# > # > Alaska a "service" that will mitigate fire risk in
# > # > California?
# > #
# > # How does ignoring California make this about Alaska? How did this
# > # suddenly become a debate about one specific bill?
# > #
# > # > And why is billions of tax dollars being spent
# > # > carving out roads in wilderness areas to let the mega-
# > # > corporations get in and clear-cut the forest, taking the
# > # > lumber for pennies on the dollar, polluting streams and
# > # > groundwater, and eroding soil?
# > #
# > # Doesn't that lie from the Sierra Club get old after a while? They've
# > # been recycling that same "analysis" of Federal forestry policy since the
# > # seventies, at least.
# > #
# > # >
# > # > You're still trying to weasel out of answering questions,
# > # > and not doing a very good job.
# > # >
# > #
# > # What kind of ***** questions are those anyway? How is talking about
# > # Alaska policy anything to do with California timber management, which Oh
# > # By The Way is partly a state responsibility?
# >
# > You are such a lying weasel. The Sierra Club and local
# > forest managers are in agreement on the need to thin
# > brush near inhabited areas (another lie of yours exposed)
#
# So they say, and then they hang all their stupid baggage onto any
# proposal to implement it.
What baggage?
http://www.sierraclub.org/forests/fires/7pt_communityplan.asp
# > but the fat cats in Washington are starving these thinning
# > projects of funds and instead diverting the money to places
# > like Alaska.
#
# Just like that.
Did you imagine you had a point? You are aware the national
forests are a federal responsibility, aren't you?
# > The "Healthy Profits Initiative" will pour
# > billions of dollars in corporate welfare into the coffers
# > of the lumber mega-corporations but do sweet ***** all to
# > mitigate fire risk. Get your head out of your ***** for once.
# >
#
# Oh yawn. Did you copy that out of the Sierra Club's pamphlets?
Still lying and weaseling out of addressing the issues.
How pathetic. Let me know if you ever get a clue transplant.
--
Fear gan dia ### http://goddamliberal.port5.com
Defeat the caviar-eating invasion monkeys!
Re-elect a Democrat in '04.
.













User: "stoney"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 05:54:31 PM
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:42:34 -0500, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>,
Message ID: <vq1963di9l9667@news.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;

stoney wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.

Good reply there Fred.
(talk about a loose cannon)....ack.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 06:17:27 PM
stoney wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:42:34 -0500, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>,
Message ID: <vq1963di9l9667@news.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;


stoney wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



Good reply there Fred.


(talk about a loose cannon)....ack.

I saw one environmentalist on the tube saying "If they wouldn't build
houses near the 'wilderness' this fire wouldn't be a problem..."
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey?"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 09:25:44 PM
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:17:27 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

stoney wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:42:34 -0500, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>,
Message ID: <vq1963di9l9667@news.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;


stoney wrote:

Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



Good reply there Fred.


(talk about a loose cannon)....ack.


I saw one environmentalist on the tube saying "If they wouldn't build
houses near the 'wilderness' this fire wouldn't be a problem..."

Except it's actually true, for a different reason than you think.
A large proportion of the people who live out there in the
semi-wilderness *expect* large wild fires- because it happens with a
crtain regularity. The people whose houses got burned down a few years
ago *went* right back and rebuild theeir houses, under exact the same
hill of flammable brushes.
Why do they do that? Because they enjoy living out there-even with the
threat of wild fires.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -357 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 10:42:11 PM
Yang, What About Overrated White Athletes Like Jeremy Shockey? wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:17:27 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


stoney wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:42:34 -0500, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>,
Message ID: <vq1963di9l9667@news.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;



stoney wrote:


Gee, "God" really 'loves' all his worshippers in S. California so much
that he's burning everything in sight.


He's "punishing" the state for listening to the treehuggers when they
said that forest fire management was a government conspiracy with the
logging industry.



Good reply there Fred.


(talk about a loose cannon)....ack.


I saw one environmentalist on the tube saying "If they wouldn't build
houses near the 'wilderness' this fire wouldn't be a problem..."




Except it's actually true, for a different reason than you think.

A large proportion of the people who live out there in the
semi-wilderness *expect* large wild fires- because it happens with a
crtain regularity. The people whose houses got burned down a few years
ago *went* right back and rebuild theeir houses, under exact the same
hill of flammable brushes.

How much insurance do they pay?

Why do they do that? Because they enjoy living out there-even with the
threat of wild fires.

I don't think you can say that of everybody who was affected this time.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 10:55:27 PM
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A large proportion of the people who live out there in the
semi-wilderness *expect* large wild fires- because it happens with a
crtain regularity. The people whose houses got burned down a few years
ago *went* right back and rebuild theeir houses, under exact the same
hill of flammable brushes.


How much insurance do they pay?

Why do they do that? Because they enjoy living out there-even with the
threat of wild fires.


I don't think you can say that of everybody who was affected this time.

The ones who lived in Scripps Ranch? Perhaps. That's suberbia. The ones
in Alpine? Crest? Jamul? Julian? Then they are stupid. I know several
people who lost houses in this round of fires, and all of them knew the
danger. One even kept his important papers in a small fire safe in his
classroom, because he considered such a fire in Descanso inevitable.
Enkidu
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User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 30 Oct 2003 11:52:23 PM
Enkidu wrote:

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[snip]


A large proportion of the people who live out there in the
semi-wilderness *expect* large wild fires- because it happens with a
crtain regularity. The people whose houses got burned down a few years
ago *went* right back and rebuild theeir houses, under exact the same
hill of flammable brushes.


How much insurance do they pay?


Why do they do that? Because they enjoy living out there-even with the
threat of wild fires.


I don't think you can say that of everybody who was affected this time.



The ones who lived in Scripps Ranch? Perhaps. That's suberbia. The ones
in Alpine? Crest? Jamul? Julian? Then they are stupid. I know several
people who lost houses in this round of fires, and all of them knew the
danger. One even kept his important papers in a small fire safe in his
classroom, because he considered such a fire in Descanso inevitable.

Enkidu

People build on flood plains too, and they get flooded out on a regular
basis. That doesn't stop the government from building levees and flood
control dams to limit the damage.
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: OT: California Fires 31 Oct 2003 12:02:47 AM
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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Enkidu wrote:


"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vq3q0t87t5k7a2@news.supernews.com...

[snip]


A large proportion of the people who live out there in the
semi-wilderness *expect* large wild fires- because it happens with a
crtain regularity. The people whose houses got burned down a few years
ago *went* right back and rebuild theeir houses, under exact the same
hill of flammable brushes.


How much insurance do they pay?


Why do they do that? Because they enjoy living out there-even with the
threat of wild fires.


I don't think you can say that of everybody who was affected this time.



The ones who lived in Scripps Ranch? Perhaps. That's suberbia. The
ones in Alpine? Crest? Jamul? Julian? Then they are stupid. I know
several people who lost houses in this round of fires, and all of them
knew the danger. One even kept his important papers in a small fire
safe in his classroom, because he considered such a fire in Descanso
inevitable.

Enkidu


People build on flood plains too, and they get flooded out on a regular
basis. That doesn't stop the government from building levees and flood
control dams to limit the damage.

Yes. There is no "safe" place, just more or less risk, and you have to
live somewhere. Everyone should choose his risks, cover his ***** as best he
can. ( I do wonder why we have federal flood insurance but no federal
earthquake insurance.)
Enkidu
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