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18 May 2004 09:00:11 AM |
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OT: Medieval Toys Found in London River |
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Medieval Toys Found in London River
Reported by James Owen and written by Sarah Ives, National Geographic
Kids News
Photograph courtesy Museum of London
Tiny cannons and guns, metal figures, and miniature household
objects—lately, the Thames River in London, England, has been looking a
lot like a toy store.
That's because people with metal detectors have been exploring the
riverbank. They've found toys that date back to as early as the 1200s.
And these toys are changing the way historians view medieval kids'
lives.
Before the discoveries, many historians thought that "there wasn't
really such a thing as childhood in the Middle Ages," said Hazel Forysth
of the Museum of London. The Middle Ages, or medieval times, lasted in
Europe from about the year 500 to the year 1500.
Historians thought that parents didn't pay much attention to their kids,
because families were often very large. Plus, many kids died when they
were young.
At the time, everyone—kids and adults—had fairly poor healthcare and
diet. Children who did survive were often sent to work at the age of
six.
Finding the medieval toys has caused some historians to change their
minds.
"Some [medieval] parents were very devoted to their children and gave
them every luxury and pleasure they could afford," Forsyth said.
Toys like the ones found in the Thames River are very rare. Most of
these toys are made of pewter, a metal that decays very easily. But the
stinky mud on the Thames riverbank has very little oxygen. This lack of
oxygen prevents decay and helped preserve the toys.
Want to see what toys kids played with hundreds of years ago? The
medieval toys are touring Britain as part of an exhibition called
"Buried Treasure: Finding Our Past."
These treasures aren't silver or gold. But according to Richard Hobbs of
the British Museum, true treasures are those that shed light on the
past.
- National Geographic Kids News
(c) 2004 National Geographic
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Holly the Heretic" |
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18 May 2004 09:54:54 AM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 07:00:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Medieval Toys Found in London River
Reported by James Owen and written by Sarah Ives, National Geographic
Kids News
Photograph courtesy Museum of London
Tiny cannons and guns, metal figures, and miniature household
objects—lately, the Thames River in London, England, has been looking a
lot like a toy store.
That's because people with metal detectors have been exploring the
riverbank. They've found toys that date back to as early as the 1200s.
And these toys are changing the way historians view medieval kids'
lives.
Before the discoveries, many historians thought that "there wasn't
really such a thing as childhood in the Middle Ages,"
What tosh. I'm middle aged, and I'm still a child :-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Medieval Toys Found in London River |
19 May 2004 01:15:21 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:54:54 +0000 (UTC), Holly the Heretic
<nowhere@nowhere.org>, Message ID:
<au8ka017bfe2o1ktkvbaefafavi0gq8ane@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Tue, 18 May 2004 07:00:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Medieval Toys Found in London River
Reported by James Owen and written by Sarah Ives, National Geographic
Kids News
Photograph courtesy Museum of London
Tiny cannons and guns, metal figures, and miniature household
objects—lately, the Thames River in London, England, has been looking a
lot like a toy store.
That's because people with metal detectors have been exploring the
riverbank. They've found toys that date back to as early as the 1200s.
And these toys are changing the way historians view medieval kids'
lives.
Before the discoveries, many historians thought that "there wasn't
really such a thing as childhood in the Middle Ages,"
What tosh. I'm middle aged, and I'm still a child :-)
Come play with me..... (wicked grin)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Holly the Heretic" |
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20 May 2004 09:05:39 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:15:21 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:54:54 +0000 (UTC), Holly the Heretic
<nowhere@nowhere.org>, Message ID:
<au8ka017bfe2o1ktkvbaefafavi0gq8ane@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Tue, 18 May 2004 07:00:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Medieval Toys Found in London River
Reported by James Owen and written by Sarah Ives, National Geographic
Kids News
Photograph courtesy Museum of London
Tiny cannons and guns, metal figures, and miniature household
objects—lately, the Thames River in London, England, has been looking a
lot like a toy store.
That's because people with metal detectors have been exploring the
riverbank. They've found toys that date back to as early as the 1200s.
And these toys are changing the way historians view medieval kids'
lives.
Before the discoveries, many historians thought that "there wasn't
really such a thing as childhood in the Middle Ages,"
What tosh. I'm middle aged, and I'm still a child :-)
Come play with me..... (wicked grin)
What's the game? I like chess :-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 May 2004 11:47:07 AM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 14:05:39 +0000 (UTC), Holly the Heretic
<nowhere@nowhere.org>, Message ID:
<kqepa0h15tmkpi3tfvp459ptmmkgvqcjdi@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Wed, 19 May 2004 11:15:21 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 14:54:54 +0000 (UTC), Holly the Heretic
<nowhere@nowhere.org>, Message ID:
<au8ka017bfe2o1ktkvbaefafavi0gq8ane@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Tue, 18 May 2004 07:00:11 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Medieval Toys Found in London River
Reported by James Owen and written by Sarah Ives, National Geographic
Kids News
Photograph courtesy Museum of London
Tiny cannons and guns, metal figures, and miniature household
objects—lately, the Thames River in London, England, has been looking a
lot like a toy store.
That's because people with metal detectors have been exploring the
riverbank. They've found toys that date back to as early as the 1200s.
And these toys are changing the way historians view medieval kids'
lives.
Before the discoveries, many historians thought that "there wasn't
really such a thing as childhood in the Middle Ages,"
What tosh. I'm middle aged, and I'm still a child :-)
Come play with me..... (wicked grin)
What's the game? I like chess :-)
twister...... :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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18 May 2004 10:11:33 AM |
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stoney wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Cool!
The three times I've been to London, I've visited the London Museum each
time. It is a *fascinating* place, dedicated to the history of the telling
itself from pre-Roman times to the modern day. Always a treat and well worth
the time to see.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Iain" |
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20 May 2004 08:57:15 AM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<40AA27A5.A4C2DC1F@serv.net>...
stoney wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Cool!
The three times I've been to London, I've visited the London Museum each
time. It is a *fascinating* place, dedicated to the history of the telling
itself from pre-Roman times to the modern day. Always a treat and well worth
the time to see.
London is a shithole. The meuseums and tourist attractions are
interesting enough, but after that you're left with a city that looks
like the surface of the Deathstar and is taken incorrectly to
represent the nation.
~Iain
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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20 May 2004 10:09:50 AM |
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Iain wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<40AA27A5.A4C2DC1F@serv.net>...
stoney wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Cool!
The three times I've been to London, I've visited the London Museum each
time. It is a *fascinating* place, dedicated to the history of the telling
itself from pre-Roman times to the modern day. Always a treat and well worth
the time to see.
London is a shithole. The meuseums and tourist attractions are
interesting enough, but after that you're left with a city that looks
like the surface of the Deathstar and is taken incorrectly to
represent the nation.
London is a very urban city, no more representative of England than New York or Los Angeles
are representative of the US. I like the shopping there, and the history found in The City
and Westminster, but other than my first of three visits to the UK, London was mostly a
place to get last minute souveniers. I go to the London Museum and the British Museum when
I'm there because they are fascinating places to go and, IMO, worth spending a day in
London for. I've also been to:
Canterbury
Brighton
Salisbury
Avesbury
Bath
Cambridge
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Newcastle
York
Hexham
Blackpool
Glastonbury
and miles and miles of some of the loveliest countryside and small towns I've ever seen,
not to mention ancient historic sites like Hadrian's Wall, Rosslyn Chapel, Stonehenge and
Cerne Abbas. My next visit will likely focus on the King Arthur legends and include visits
to Carlisle (legendary site of Camelot), Pendragon Castle, Tintagel and another stop at
Glastonbury.
Did I mention that I like visiting the UK? <g>
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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20 May 2004 11:39:07 AM |
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In article <40ACCA3E.D6B7B199@serv.net>, Gregory Gadow says...
Iain wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<40AA27A5.A4C2DC1F@serv.net>...
stoney wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Cool!
The three times I've been to London, I've visited the London Museum each
time. It is a *fascinating* place, dedicated to the history of the telling
itself from pre-Roman times to the modern day. Always a treat and well worth
the time to see.
London is a shithole. The meuseums and tourist attractions are
interesting enough, but after that you're left with a city that looks
like the surface of the Deathstar and is taken incorrectly to
represent the nation.
London is a very urban city, no more representative of England than New York or Los Angeles
are representative of the US. I like the shopping there, and the history found in The City
and Westminster, but other than my first of three visits to the UK, London was mostly a
place to get last minute souveniers. I go to the London Museum and the British Museum when
I'm there because they are fascinating places to go and, IMO, worth spending a day in
London for. I've also been to:
Canterbury
Brighton
Salisbury
Avesbury
Bath
Cambridge
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Newcastle
York
Hexham
Blackpool
Glastonbury
and miles and miles of some of the loveliest countryside and small towns I've ever seen,
not to mention ancient historic sites like Hadrian's Wall, Rosslyn Chapel, Stonehenge and
Cerne Abbas. My next visit will likely focus on the King Arthur legends and include visits
to Carlisle (legendary site of Camelot), Pendragon Castle, Tintagel and another stop at
Glastonbury.
Did I mention that I like visiting the UK? <g>
Damn - Can I come with you? ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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20 May 2004 02:38:20 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <40ACCA3E.D6B7B199@serv.net>, Gregory Gadow says...
Iain wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<40AA27A5.A4C2DC1F@serv.net>...
stoney wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Cool!
The three times I've been to London, I've visited the London Museum each
time. It is a *fascinating* place, dedicated to the history of the telling
itself from pre-Roman times to the modern day. Always a treat and well worth
the time to see.
London is a shithole. The meuseums and tourist attractions are
interesting enough, but after that you're left with a city that looks
like the surface of the Deathstar and is taken incorrectly to
represent the nation.
London is a very urban city, no more representative of England than New York or Los Angeles
are representative of the US. I like the shopping there, and the history found in The City
and Westminster, but other than my first of three visits to the UK, London was mostly a
place to get last minute souveniers. I go to the London Museum and the British Museum when
I'm there because they are fascinating places to go and, IMO, worth spending a day in
London for. I've also been to:
Canterbury
Brighton
Salisbury
Avesbury
Bath
Cambridge
Edinburgh
Glasgow
Newcastle
York
Hexham
Blackpool
Glastonbury
and miles and miles of some of the loveliest countryside and small towns I've ever seen,
not to mention ancient historic sites like Hadrian's Wall, Rosslyn Chapel, Stonehenge and
Cerne Abbas. My next visit will likely focus on the King Arthur legends and include visits
to Carlisle (legendary site of Camelot), Pendragon Castle, Tintagel and another stop at
Glastonbury.
Did I mention that I like visiting the UK? <g>
Damn - Can I come with you? ;)
As long as you stay in hostels (while in London) and B&Bs (outside of London) and remember to
eat out of grocery stores instead of restaurants, England is not bad, pricewise. I fly round
trip, non-stop between London and Seattle in 9.5 hours for about $1000. (Yeah, I can get those
$500 round trip specials, but only if I fly in to Cleveland at 2am and wait until 6am for my
flight out, travel time of about 22 hours. I'd rather take a direct flight on British Airways
over the Arctic Circle and sleep.) A week of food, lodging, train tickets and admissions has
been around $700 to $1000, depending on where I went and how long I stayed. If I put aside $200
a month, I can pay cash.
And Robyn, you can get a lower air fare, seeing as you live on the east coast. According to
British Airways' website (http://www.britishairways.com), you can leave Newark on Friday, June 6
at 8 am and be in London about 10 pm local time (about 5 hours on the plane.) Leave London at
8:50 am on Sunday, June 13 and be back in Newark at 11:35 am local time. Total cost for the
trip, including security, insurance and "fuel surcharge", your plane ticket is only $670.76.
That's the "expensive season" price, of course. Wait until the first week of October and the
ticket is only $487.76.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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20 May 2004 02:40:50 PM |
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Holy Hannah! I just checked the price from Seattle and the first week of October has a total round
trip ticket cost of only $657.26 flying economy. Great time to travel!
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Holly the Heretic" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Medieval Toys Found in London River |
19 May 2004 02:04:52 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:11:33 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Cool!
The three times I've been to London, I've visited the London Museum each
time. It is a *fascinating* place, dedicated to the history of the telling
itself from pre-Roman times to the modern day. Always a treat and well worth
the time to see.
You should check out the British Museum. It doesn't concentrate on
London's history, but has some spectacular galleries. A good way to
waste a weekend!
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Medieval Toys Found in London River |
19 May 2004 01:16:21 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:11:33 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <40AA27A5.A4C2DC1F@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/content/science/science_news/
Cool!
The three times I've been to London, I've visited the London Museum each
time. It is a *fascinating* place, dedicated to the history of the telling
itself from pre-Roman times to the modern day. Always a treat and well worth
the time to see.
I've been in the Tate Gallery several times, the National Museum,
Parliament, and the HMS Discovery once.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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