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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Fester"
Date: 06 Jul 2007 05:12:18 PM
Object: OT: Our Progress and the nature of Al Qaeda in Iraq
http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/baqubah-update-05-july-2007.htm
<quote>
The big news on the streets today is that the people of Baqubah are
generally ecstatic, although many hold in reserve a serious concern that we
will abandon them again. For many Iraqis, we have morphed from being
invaders to occupiers to members of a tribe. I call it the "al Ameriki
tribe," or "tribe America."
I've seen this kind of progression in Mosul, out in Anbar and other places,
and when I ask our military leaders if they have sensed any shift, many have
said, yes, they too sense that Iraqis view us differently. In the context of
sectarian and tribal strife, we are the tribe that people can-more or less
and with giant caveats-rely on.
....
At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al
Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought
differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah,
al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of
thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11
years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man's words, I saw Wallach go
blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach,
"What did he say?" Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were
sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed.
The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.
</quote>
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User: "Pt. Lurk Pt."

Title: Re: Our Progress and the nature of Al Qaeda in Iraq 06 Jul 2007 11:04:16 PM
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:468ebe43$0$24745$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/baqubah-update-05-july-2007.htm

<quote>
The big news on the streets today is that the people of Baqubah are
generally ecstatic, although many hold in reserve a serious concern that
we will abandon them again. For many Iraqis, we have morphed from being
invaders to occupiers to members of a tribe. I call it the "al Ameriki
tribe," or "tribe America."

I've seen this kind of progression in Mosul, out in Anbar and other
places, and when I ask our military leaders if they have sensed any shift,
many have said, yes, they too sense that Iraqis view us differently. In
the context of sectarian and tribal strife, we are the tribe that people
can-more or less and with giant caveats-rely on.

...

At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al
Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought
differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in
Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to
their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said,
who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man's
words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a
moment. I asked Wallach, "What did he say?" Wallach said that at these
luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was
brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served
the boy to his family.

You missed out the two most pathetically would-be manipulative paragraphs :
-----
Most Iraqis I talk with acknowledge that if it was ever about the oil, it's
not now. Not mostly anyway. It clearly would have been cheaper just to buy
the oil or invade somewhere easier that has more. Similarly, most Iraqis
seem now to realize that we really don't want to stay here, and that many of
us can't wait to get back home. They realize that we are not resolved to
stay, but are impatient to drive down to Kuwait and sail away. And when they
consider the Americans who actually deal with Iraqis every day, the Iraqis
can no longer deny that we really do want them to succeed. But we want them
to succeed without us. We want to see their streets are clean and safe,
their grass is green, and their birds are singing. We want to see that on
television. Not in person. We don't want to be here. We tell them that every
day. It finally has settled in that we are telling the truth.
-----
Like many things in Iraq, the question of whether or not the murderers were
al Qaeda is flawed from beginning. Al Qaeda is not a union, it doesn't issue
passports. What is al Qaeda but the collection of people who claim to be al
Qaeda? Those responsible for murdering and burying those bodies in al Ahamir
(or al Hamira) had the markers of al Qaeda, the same al Qaeda that had
boastfully installed itself as the shadow government of Baqubah. The al
Qaeda who committed atrocities in Afghanistan, New York . . . the list is
long. As for al Ahamir, the massacre "walks like a duck." It happened in
duck headquarters. The people here say the duck did it. The duck laughs.
-----
If any sane person has a question about just what makes the above so
desperately ludicrous, I will explain. Maybe.
L.
.
User: "Fester"

Title: Re: Our Progress and the nature of Al Qaeda in Iraq 07 Jul 2007 05:19:51 PM
"Pt. Lurk" <Pt. Lurk@renvcom.net> wrote in message
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:468ebe43$0$24745$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/baqubah-update-05-july-2007.htm

<quote>
The big news on the streets today is that the people of Baqubah are
generally ecstatic, although many hold in reserve a serious concern that
we will abandon them again. For many Iraqis, we have morphed from being
invaders to occupiers to members of a tribe. I call it the "al Ameriki
tribe," or "tribe America."

I've seen this kind of progression in Mosul, out in Anbar and other
places, and when I ask our military leaders if they have sensed any
shift, many have said, yes, they too sense that Iraqis view us
differently. In the context of sectarian and tribal strife, we are the
tribe that people can-more or less and with giant caveats-rely on.

...

At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al
Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought
differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in
Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to
their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said,
who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man's
words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a
moment. I asked Wallach, "What did he say?" Wallach said that at these
luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was
brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda
served the boy to his family.


You missed out the two most pathetically would-be manipulative paragraphs
:

-----
Most Iraqis I talk with acknowledge that if it was ever about the oil,
it's not now. Not mostly anyway. It clearly would have been cheaper just
to buy the oil or invade somewhere easier that has more. Similarly, most
Iraqis seem now to realize that we really don't want to stay here, and
that many of us can't wait to get back home. They realize that we are not
resolved to stay, but are impatient to drive down to Kuwait and sail away.
And when they consider the Americans who actually deal with Iraqis every
day, the Iraqis can no longer deny that we really do want them to succeed.
But we want them to succeed without us. We want to see their streets are
clean and safe, their grass is green, and their birds are singing. We want
to see that on television. Not in person. We don't want to be here. We
tell them that every day. It finally has settled in that we are telling
the truth.
-----
Like many things in Iraq, the question of whether or not the murderers
were al Qaeda is flawed from beginning. Al Qaeda is not a union, it
doesn't issue passports. What is al Qaeda but the collection of people who
claim to be al Qaeda? Those responsible for murdering and burying those
bodies in al Ahamir (or al Hamira) had the markers of al Qaeda, the same
al Qaeda that had boastfully installed itself as the shadow government of
Baqubah. The al Qaeda who committed atrocities in Afghanistan, New York .
. . the list is long. As for al Ahamir, the massacre "walks like a duck."
It happened in duck headquarters. The people here say the duck did it. The
duck laughs.
-----

If any sane person has a question about just what makes the above so
desperately ludicrous, I will explain. Maybe.

I'm afraid that will require some explanation, as I fail to see what's
ludicrous about it. The fact is that we are fighting an enemy who has used
Titus Andronicus for their role model, only without the justification
supplied to him. There's not much humor in that either.
.



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