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"stoney" |
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11 Nov 2003 04:18:55 PM |
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OT: Posted without comment |
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
KATU 2 News - Portland, Oregon
www.katu.com
Judge releases Parkrose High students
November 8, 2003
PORTLAND - A Multnomah County judge Friday freed a pair of Parkrose High
School sweethearts accused of gun and drug charges because police
gathered evidence illegally.
Police say the cases of Meuy Saechao, 17, and Alex Coopersmith, 16,
highlight serious problems in the Portland suburb.
"Yes, this is a victory for them in court, but where are things going
now?" said Detective Dan Slauson of the Portland Police Bureau who
investigated the case. "That's for the Parkrose community at large to
solve for themselves."
Police characterized their world as "abysmal" -- where drug feuds, gun
thefts and drive-by shootings were carried out in a climate of
tolerance, ignorance and denial by parents.
The two were at the center of an investigation following a series of
fights Sept. 12 at Parkrose High that started over a drug debt.
Three days after the fight, someone fired shots at Coopersmith's Jeep.
Then police got a tip that Coopersmith was growing marijuana in
Saechao's locked bedroom.
Detectives searched Saechao's bedroom and discovered two marijuana
plants, five semiautomatic rifles and a backpack containing
high-capacity ammunition magazines, a pistol and a plastic bag of "pot
brownies." At least four of the six guns had been stolen, said Detective
David Anderson.
But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan Svetkey threw out
all the evidence, ruling that police did not get legal consent to enter
the girl's house or search her room.
Because of that, Deputy District Attorney Susan Howard said in court
Friday she could not proceed with the case.
During their investigation, police arrested four other teenagers on
probation violation and residential robbery charges and are still
looking for 15 to 20 firearms stolen from a Parkrose home in August and
September.
Saechao and Coopersmith have been dating since middle school.
This week, Saechao resumed her role as caretaker of nine younger
siblings.
She has returned to her senior year at Parkrose High, where her attorney
says she had been an honor student.
The teenagers' families chose not to comment on the outcome but planned
to get together for a celebration dinner.
The fights and subsequent investigations shined a spotlight on a problem
that's been in the Parkrose community for some time, said Roy Reynolds,
principal of Parkrose High. The investigation has allowed police to
identify other "nefarious conduct" that they say they're watching
closely.
Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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11 Nov 2003 04:34:26 PM |
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stoney wrote:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
Quote: But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan Svetkey threw out
all the evidence, ruling that police did not get legal consent to enter
the girl's house or search her room.
The Fourth Amendment still stands. If the police were serious about
prosecuting wrong-doing, they would have followed the law.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Nov 2003 11:45:35 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:34:26 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <3FB163F2.9CB9BBC5@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
Quote: But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan Svetkey threw out
all the evidence, ruling that police did not get legal consent to enter
the girl's house or search her room.
The Fourth Amendment still stands. If the police were serious about
prosecuting wrong-doing, they would have followed the law.
I have no problem with the Judge throwing out the case as she should
have. What I thought folks would find interesting was the reaction of
the parents to what their children were involved in. Such is, of
course, dependant upon the newspaper being accurate.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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12 Nov 2003 03:12:50 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:34:26 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <3FB163F2.9CB9BBC5@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
Quote: But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan Svetkey threw out
all the evidence, ruling that police did not get legal consent to enter
the girl's house or search her room.
The Fourth Amendment still stands. If the police were serious about
prosecuting wrong-doing, they would have followed the law.
I have no problem with the Judge throwing out the case as she should
have. What I thought folks would find interesting was the reaction of
the parents to what their children were involved in. Such is, of
course, dependant upon the newspaper being accurate.
I can't imagine it would be too inaccurate. I mean, come on: growing pot plants
in your bedroom? The power bill for the lights alone would be exorbitant, and
what right-thinking parent doesn't at least *look* in their kids' bedrooms from
time to time?
Parents that disinterested in their kids -- or that terrified of what their kids
might be capable of doing to them -- are one of the big things wrong with society
today.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Martin Crisp" |
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12 Nov 2003 04:06:25 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 8:12:50 +1100, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <3FB2A252.90CF64D2@serv.net>):
stoney wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:34:26 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net>, Message ID: <3FB163F2.9CB9BBC5@serv.net>
wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
Quote: But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan
Svetkey threw out all the evidence, ruling that police did
not get legal consent to enter the girl's house or search her
room.
The Fourth Amendment still stands. If the police were serious
about prosecuting wrong-doing, they would have followed the
law.
I have no problem with the Judge throwing out the case as she
should have. What I thought folks would find interesting was
the reaction of the parents to what their children were
involved in. Such is, of course, dependant upon the newspaper
being accurate.
I can't imagine it would be too inaccurate. I mean, come on:
growing pot plants in your bedroom? The power bill for the
lights alone would be exorbitant, and what right-thinking
parent doesn't at least *look* in their kids' bedrooms from
time to time?
If the plants were of any size they wouldn't have needed to look.
"What on earth is that _smell_?"
When a friend was growing a couple of plants in his house (a few
years ago) you could smell them as soon as the front door was
opened.
As to the power bill, that'd depend on what lighting they were
using (though from the article it sounded like a fairly large
setup...).
[Please bear in mind that pot smoking isn't 'as illegal' here as
in the US - http://tinyurl.com/urjs - possession of under 2oz is
generally not prosecuted, though such is at police discretion]
Parents that disinterested in their kids -- or that terrified
of what their kids might be capable of doing to them -- are one
of the big things wrong with society today.
Agreed.
Have Fun
Martin
--
aa #1792
Almost always SMASHed
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| User: "stoney" |
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14 Nov 2003 10:48:15 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:12:50 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <3FB2A252.90CF64D2@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:34:26 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>,
Message ID: <3FB163F2.9CB9BBC5@serv.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney wrote:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
Quote: But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan Svetkey threw out
all the evidence, ruling that police did not get legal consent to enter
the girl's house or search her room.
The Fourth Amendment still stands. If the police were serious about
prosecuting wrong-doing, they would have followed the law.
I have no problem with the Judge throwing out the case as she should
have. What I thought folks would find interesting was the reaction of
the parents to what their children were involved in. Such is, of
course, dependant upon the newspaper being accurate.
I can't imagine it would be too inaccurate. I mean, come on: growing pot plants
in your bedroom? The power bill for the lights alone would be exorbitant, and
what right-thinking parent doesn't at least *look* in their kids' bedrooms from
time to time?
Parents that disinterested in their kids -- or that terrified of what their kids
might be capable of doing to them -- are one of the big things wrong with society
today.
You've hit it in a nutshell.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "towelie" |
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11 Nov 2003 06:46:48 PM |
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TV's Gregory Gadow wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
Quote: But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan Svetkey
threw out
all the evidence, ruling that police did not get legal consent to
enter
the girl's house or search her room.
The Fourth Amendment still stands. If the police were serious about
prosecuting wrong-doing, they would have followed the law.
And they would quit prosecuting victimless "crimes", like allowing a certain
species of plant to grow on one's property.
--
Swayin' to the rhythm of the new world order
Count the bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drum
aa #2133
apatriot #19
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| User: "stoney" |
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12 Nov 2003 11:47:10 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:46:48 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>,
Message ID: <borvtp$1hma5i$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in
alt.atheism;
TV's Gregory Gadow wrote:
stoney wrote:
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=62294
Quote: But last week, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Susan Svetkey
threw out
all the evidence, ruling that police did not get legal consent to
enter
the girl's house or search her room.
The Fourth Amendment still stands. If the police were serious about
prosecuting wrong-doing, they would have followed the law.
And they would quit prosecuting victimless "crimes", like allowing a certain
species of plant to grow on one's property.
No argument from me on that one, either. I have no interest in it, but
others do.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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