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Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Rescuer May Adopt Cat
By GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
ST. JOHNSBURY, VT - A 10-week-old kitten shot twice
with a BB gun is alive due to the efforts of a
good Samaritan out for an early morning walk, Wednesday.
It was the pitiful cries of a wounded kitten which
drew the attention of Jennifer Samperi.
Samperi, who lives on Portland Street, was walking
by the old school on Portland Street at a little
after 2 a.m. when she heard the kitten crying.
She followed the cries to a dumpster by the former
school and saw a bloodied white and caramel colored kitten.
"The blood was fresh," Samperi said. "It looked
like it had recently been thrown in there.
"It freaked me out!" she went on to say. "It made
me sick to think someone could do that."
She pulled the cat out of the dumpster and
sought help for it.
Samperi called the emergency veterinarian's
line and left a message. A staff member at
St. Johnsbury Animal Hospital called her around
8:30 a.m. and told her to bring the kitten in.
Dr. Rob Hoppe said the cat was all covered
with blood when it was brought in. And it was anemic.
Hoppe said the kitten had been shot once in the
head and once in the back end.
Kris Hoppe said the kitten is on antibiotics
and is eating well.
"This certainly falls within the guidelines of
SAD-SAC," she said.
The Save-A-Dog, Save-A-Cat Fund, Kris Hoppe said,
will be paying the cat's medical bills, including
paying for removing the BBs and cleaning the wounds.
"The thing that was significant was there was
blood all over the kitten's body," she said.
"It's an awful thing to do."
The kitten will be kept at the animal hospital
until its wounds are looking better and it
finishes a 10-day antibiotic program.
Samperi said she is going to adopt the kitten
and take it home when it is better.
"I am actually an animal lover," she said.
"I have been telling my kids for months we
were going to get a cat. I never thought it
would be this way."
"We are going to call her special kitty because
she lived despite a loss of blood," Samperi said.
St. Johnsbury Police Sgt. Clem Houde said he will
be investigating who shot the kitten and
threw it into the dumpster.
"If someone just blatantly shot it, it is
cruelty to animals," Houde said. He thinks any
charge would be a misdemeanor charge. He said
there haven't been any recent similar cases.
Houde is urging people with any information about
the shooting to contact him at 748-2314 or
Crime Stoppers at 748-2222.
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27 Jul 2004 01:34:37 PM |
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Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make sense.
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dloubet@io.com
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27 Jul 2004 02:04:19 PM |
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Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make sense.
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we relate
to our own young. I know you said human, but if it were a human infant,
then I am sure your anger would be greater.
I think that people who are animal lovers/pet owners allow
themselves to feel that these pets need us just as an infant would, (We
often call them our 'babies'). Thus the anger.
Just my two cents.
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27 Jul 2004 03:53:24 PM |
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Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make sense.
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we relate
to our own young. I know you said human, but if it were a human infant,
then I am sure your anger would be greater.
I think that people who are animal lovers/pet owners allow
themselves to feel that these pets need us just as an infant would, (We
often call them our 'babies'). Thus the anger.
Just my two cents.
You're probably right.
But allow me to rationalize for a moment. Humans created the domestic cat.
We selectively bred existing species into a perpetually adolescent animal
that served our needs. They were bred to trust us. As their creators, we are
responsible for them, and to betray that trust is a crime against their
entire species as well as our own.
I think it's the betrayal of trust that enrages me more than the suffering
itself.
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Rally" |
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27 Jul 2004 04:04:03 PM |
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2004
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Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make
sense.
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we
relate
to our own young. I know you said human, but if it were a human
infant,
then I am sure your anger would be greater.
I think that people who are animal lovers/pet owners allow
themselves to feel that these pets need us just as an infant would,
(We
often call them our 'babies'). Thus the anger.
Just my two cents.
You're probably right.
But allow me to rationalize for a moment. Humans created the domestic
cat.
We selectively bred existing species into a perpetually adolescent
animal
that served our needs. They were bred to trust us. As their creators,
we are
responsible for them, and to betray that trust is a crime against
their
entire species as well as our own.
I think it's the betrayal of trust that enrages me more than the
suffering
itself.
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
I see your point. Maybe in creating the domestic cat, we have also
inadvertantly created some sort of reciprical imbred emotion into
ourselves in the process. Individuals lacking this trait would be the
ones who perform these acts or have no feeling when hearing of them.
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27 Jul 2004 07:09:11 PM |
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Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make
sense.
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we
relate
to our own young. I know you said human, but if it were a human
infant,
then I am sure your anger would be greater.
I think that people who are animal lovers/pet owners allow
themselves to feel that these pets need us just as an infant would,
(We
often call them our 'babies'). Thus the anger.
Just my two cents.
You're probably right.
But allow me to rationalize for a moment. Humans created the domestic
cat.
We selectively bred existing species into a perpetually adolescent
animal
that served our needs. They were bred to trust us. As their creators,
we are
responsible for them, and to betray that trust is a crime against
their
entire species as well as our own.
I think it's the betrayal of trust that enrages me more than the
suffering
itself.
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
I see your point. Maybe in creating the domestic cat, we have also
inadvertantly created some sort of reciprical imbred emotion into
ourselves in the process. Individuals lacking this trait would be the
ones who perform these acts or have no feeling when hearing of them.
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I'm a cat lover, but I don't really think that humans domesticated the
cat. Still, I think it's much easier to be more pissed at someone
hurting a kitten due to the kitten's pure innocence and helplessness.
Other humans are more likely to "deserve" some mean ***** done to them,
except an innocent child. But there are stiffer laws for harming
humans.
I'm glad this kitten is being taken care of.
I think I'd lose control of myself and do grave harm if I saw who did
this to the kitten. Cowards!! GRRRRRRR!!\
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29 Jul 2004 05:12:53 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:53:24 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
But allow me to rationalize for a moment. Humans created the domestic cat.
We selectively bred existing species into a perpetually adolescent animal
that served our needs. They were bred to trust us. As their creators, we are
responsible for them, and to betray that trust is a crime against their
entire species as well as our own.
I think it's the betrayal of trust that enrages me more than the suffering
itself.
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
You presume? You don't know?
Have you had a cat? Good grief!
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****
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29 Jul 2004 06:17:38 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:53:24 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
But allow me to rationalize for a moment. Humans created the domestic
cat.
We selectively bred existing species into a perpetually adolescent animal
that served our needs. They were bred to trust us. As their creators, we
are
responsible for them, and to betray that trust is a crime against their
entire species as well as our own.
I think it's the betrayal of trust that enrages me more than the
suffering
itself.
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
You presume? You don't know?
I am not 100% certain about anything. I'm not so arrogant and prideful as
you to believe I cannot be wrong.
Have you had a cat?
"Have I had a cat?" What do you mean? I have 4 cats. I have had to take cats
on last trips to the vet, and a part of me dies every time I do.
I have never had a child, nor been very close to one. But I expect that I
would feel rage at the abuse of a child. Both cats and children are
uncomprehending as to why they suffer, and for some reason that tears my
heart out.
Good grief!
Good grief what? You're the ***** that thinks they're going to a better
place. Don't presume to teach us about grief. We're the ones who are forced
to believe they're gone forever, we're the ones who have to face the hideous
waste that is death. I have no idea why you people don't celebrate the death
of loved ones if you really believe they're dancing in heaven with your
beloved Jesus. What's up with that?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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30 Jul 2004 12:31:20 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:17:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
You presume? You don't know?
I am not 100% certain about anything. I'm not so arrogant and prideful as
you to believe I cannot be wrong.
You are one sad morally-challenged individual if you don't know you'de feel worse about a
baby rather than a cat.
Have you had a cat?
"Have I had a cat?" What do you mean? I have 4 cats. I have had to take cats
on last trips to the vet, and a part of me dies every time I do.
Otoh, part of me dies every time I take a child to the doctor.
I have never had a child, nor been very close to one. But I expect that I
would feel rage at the abuse of a child.
You don't know? How crude of you!!!!!
Good grief what? You're the ***** that thinks they're going to a better
place.
Babies, yes, but not cats.
Don't presume to teach us about grief. We're the ones who are forced
to believe they're gone forever, we're the ones who have to face the hideous
waste that is death. I have no idea why you people don't celebrate the death
of loved ones if you really believe they're dancing in heaven with your
beloved Jesus. What's up with that?
We don't know for sure. Only God does. And we respond to the sense of loss, for God told
us that we are to enjoy human life also, until he calls.
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****
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01 Aug 2004 08:58:03 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:17:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
You presume? You don't know?
I am not 100% certain about anything. I'm not so arrogant and prideful as
you to believe I cannot be wrong.
You are one sad morally-challenged individual if you don't know you'de
feel worse about a
baby rather than a cat.
And if I find out I do feel worse, am I still morally challenged? Was I
ever?
Save your insults for when you know something.
Have you had a cat?
"Have I had a cat?" What do you mean? I have 4 cats. I have had to take
cats
on last trips to the vet, and a part of me dies every time I do.
Otoh, part of me dies every time I take a child to the doctor.
Why? You're attempting to heal them. Why should that hurt you? Do you WANT
them to be sick or injured?
How many children have to taken to the doctor?
I have never had a child, nor been very close to one. But I expect that I
would feel rage at the abuse of a child.
You don't know? How crude of you!!!!!
THIS pisses me off and makes me spitting mad:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3877421.stm
Does that count?
Good grief what? You're the ***** that thinks they're going to a better
place.
Babies, yes, but not cats.
I'm talking about babies now.
Don't presume to teach us about grief. We're the ones who are forced
to believe they're gone forever, we're the ones who have to face the
hideous
waste that is death. I have no idea why you people don't celebrate the
death
of loved ones if you really believe they're dancing in heaven with your
beloved Jesus. What's up with that?
We don't know for sure. Only God does.
So in other words, you don't know *****. You don't know who's going to your
heaven and who's not, or why. For all you know, us atheists could all have
front row tickets in heaven to watch you and your Christian ilk burn for
eternity in hell.
So, until you know that you're going to heaven, and why you're going there,
you have no business telling us *****, because, as you say, YOU DON'T KNOW.
So please *****.
And we respond to the sense of loss, for God told
us that we are to enjoy human life also, until he calls.
So you're sad that your loved ones are in a better place? That doesn't sound
very nice.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Aug 2004 03:59:17 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:58:03 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:17:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
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THIS pisses me off and makes me spitting mad:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3877421.stm
Does that count?
Damn superstition!
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30 Jul 2004 07:56:50 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<r71lg019dipcpisrebj1lqn0u2cg344rvu@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:17:38 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
You presume? You don't know?
I am not 100% certain about anything. I'm not so arrogant and prideful as
you to believe I cannot be wrong.
You are one sad morally-challenged individual if you don't know you'de feel worse about a
baby rather than a cat.
We don't see you agnozing about the children dying in that war your
president insisted would save us from terrorism.
Have you had a cat?
"Have I had a cat?" What do you mean? I have 4 cats. I have had to take cats
on last trips to the vet, and a part of me dies every time I do.
Otoh, part of me dies every time I take a child to the doctor.
Which, since you've said you don't have any children, is presumeably
zero times.
I have never had a child, nor been very close to one. But I expect that I
would feel rage at the abuse of a child.
You don't know? How crude of you!!!!!
Why? Again, where's your rage for all the children dying in Bush's
war in Iraq? Next up: Iran.
Good grief what? You're the ***** that thinks they're going to a better
place.
Babies, yes, but not cats.
Then why get upset?
Don't presume to teach us about grief. We're the ones who are forced
to believe they're gone forever, we're the ones who have to face the hideous
waste that is death. I have no idea why you people don't celebrate the death
of loved ones if you really believe they're dancing in heaven with your
beloved Jesus. What's up with that?
We don't know for sure.
You don't know at all.
Only God does.
And since all gods are myths...
And we respond to the sense of loss, for God told
us that we are to enjoy human life also, until he calls.
This doesn't make sense. You claim to know god exists and wants us to
enjoy all the pain he dishes out in this life, but then get upset when
somebody dies and goes to a place where that suffering is presumeably
over? Is your sense of loss about the loss of another victim, that
those people have escaped the suffering you're still burdened with?
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29 Jul 2004 10:10:59 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:53:24 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
But allow me to rationalize for a moment. Humans created the domestic cat.
We selectively bred existing species into a perpetually adolescent animal
that served our needs. They were bred to trust us. As their creators, we are
responsible for them, and to betray that trust is a crime against their
entire species as well as our own.
I think it's the betrayal of trust that enrages me more than the suffering
itself.
I presume I would feel the say way about a child.
You presume? You don't know?
Have you had a cat? Good grief!
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****
One typical difference between theists - especially fundamentalists -
and atheists is that theists are always so certain of things, even
when they don't have the data. A feeling of certainty doesn't mean you
are more likely to be right.
And I wonder... if you felt greater outrage over a kitten, for
whatever reason, would you notice? If it is important to you that you
feel the "right" way, I wonder if you would even admit to your self
how you did feel? If not, you would miss an opportunity to learn
about yourself.
Kermit
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30 Jul 2004 12:27:15 PM |
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On 29 Jul 2004 08:10:59 -0700, (Kermit) wrote:
One typical difference between theists - especially fundamentalists -
and atheists is that theists are always so certain of things, even
when they don't have the data. A feeling of certainty doesn't mean you
are more likely to be right.
But my leadership is certain..
And I wonder... if you felt greater outrage over a kitten, for
whatever reason, would you notice?
I do feel outrage over the senseless harsh treatment of any animal. But a cat is nothing
compared to a human child.
If it is important to you that you
feel the "right" way, I wonder if you would even admit to your self
how you did feel? If not, you would miss an opportunity to learn
about yourself.
Kermit
I already know about myself.
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****
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02 Aug 2004 03:19:46 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 29 Jul 2004 08:10:59 -0700, (Kermit)
wrote:
One typical difference between theists - especially fundamentalists -
and atheists is that theists are always so certain of things, even
when they don't have the data. A feeling of certainty doesn't mean you
are more likely to be right.
But my leadership is certain..
Of what?
And I wonder... if you felt greater outrage over a kitten, for
whatever reason, would you notice?
I do feel outrage over the senseless harsh treatment of any animal. But a
cat is nothing
compared to a human child.
Careful there, your god may think otherwise. You've already admitted you
don't know.
If it is important to you that you
feel the "right" way, I wonder if you would even admit to your self
how you did feel? If not, you would miss an opportunity to learn
about yourself.
Kermit
I already know about myself.
Ahh, the certainty of the close-minded.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: RAGING!!!!! |
30 Jul 2004 07:58:38 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<v31lg05k9g6ks97hfvlpltd368khve6kao@4ax.com>...
On 29 Jul 2004 08:10:59 -0700, (Kermit) wrote:
One typical difference between theists - especially fundamentalists -
and atheists is that theists are always so certain of things, even
when they don't have the data. A feeling of certainty doesn't mean you
are more likely to be right.
But my leadership is certain.
You mean Bush? He'll be gone soon.
And I wonder... if you felt greater outrage over a kitten, for
whatever reason, would you notice?
I do feel outrage over the senseless harsh treatment of any animal. But a cat is nothing
compared to a human child.
Great, then we expect to see you with a picket sign, protesting the
war. And adopt some children while you're at it.
If it is important to you that you
feel the "right" way, I wonder if you would even admit to your self
how you did feel? If not, you would miss an opportunity to learn
about yourself.
Kermit
I already know about myself.
We know about you, too.
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| User: "Andrew Lias" |
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| Title: Re: RAGING!!!!! |
29 Jul 2004 12:54:11 PM |
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"Rally" <Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> wrote in message news:<4106a736$1_2@127.0.0.1>...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make sense.
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we relate
to our own young. I know you said human, but if it were a human infant,
then I am sure your anger would be greater.
I think that people who are animal lovers/pet owners allow
themselves to feel that these pets need us just as an infant would, (We
often call them our 'babies'). Thus the anger.
Just my two cents.
I suspect that's a large part of it. I'd suggest two other factors:
1) A kitten is, quite literally, defenseless. This ties into the
infantilization but where considering animals to be like infants is
emotive, this is an objective observation. The kitten could not
defend itself. In this respect, I suspect that he'd have a similar
reaction to a quadraplegic being shot at with a BB.
2) The damage that a BB does to small animal is much worse than the
damage that would have been done to a person. The cat needed to be
hospitalized. Again, I think that his sympathy for a person shot with
a .22 would be proportionate if not greater. Especially if that
person were also defenseless.
On the whole, what strikes me about this is the sadism for the person
or persons who did this. That mind-set, whether or not it's being
directed at an animal, is callous and dangerous. We should be angry,
and concerned, that such people are walking around. I can only hope
that it's some dumbassed teenager who will, hopefully, grow out of it.
--
Andrew Lias
http://andrewlias.blogspot.com
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: RAGING!!!!! |
03 Aug 2004 03:51:24 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:54:11 -0500, Andrew Lias wrote
(in article <ffc8a152.0407290954.70125755@posting.google.com>):
"Rally" <Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> wrote in message
news:<4106a736$1_2@127.0.0.1>...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:BoadnXxa1YTAPZvcRVn-tA@io.com...
Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make sense.
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we relate
to our own young. I know you said human, but if it were a human infant,
then I am sure your anger would be greater.
I think that people who are animal lovers/pet owners allow
themselves to feel that these pets need us just as an infant would, (We
often call them our 'babies'). Thus the anger.
Just my two cents.
I suspect that's a large part of it. I'd suggest two other factors:
1) A kitten is, quite literally, defenseless. This ties into the
infantilization but where considering animals to be like infants is
emotive, this is an objective observation. The kitten could not
defend itself. In this respect, I suspect that he'd have a similar
reaction to a quadraplegic being shot at with a BB.
2) The damage that a BB does to small animal is much worse than the
damage that would have been done to a person. The cat needed to be
hospitalized. Again, I think that his sympathy for a person shot with
a .22 would be proportionate if not greater. Especially if that
person were also defenseless.
On the whole, what strikes me about this is the sadism for the person
or persons who did this. That mind-set, whether or not it's being
directed at an animal, is callous and dangerous. We should be angry,
and concerned, that such people are walking around. I can only hope
that it's some dumbassed teenager who will, hopefully, grow out of it.
Those who would do such a thing to a kitten would also do it in one form or
another to a human, sooner or later, according to most studies I have run
across.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things, but I've never heard myself
think." - Duke32
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: RAGING!!!!! |
03 Aug 2004 10:03:41 PM |
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Harry F. Leopold wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:54:11 -0500, Andrew Lias wrote
(in article <ffc8a152.0407290954.70125755@posting.google.com>):
"Rally" <Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> wrote in message
news:<4106a736$1_2@127.0.0.1>...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:BoadnXxa1YTAPZvcRVn-tA@io.com...
Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make sense.
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we relate
to our own young. I know you said human, but if it were a human infant,
then I am sure your anger would be greater.
I think that people who are animal lovers/pet owners allow
themselves to feel that these pets need us just as an infant would, (We
often call them our 'babies'). Thus the anger.
Just my two cents.
I suspect that's a large part of it. I'd suggest two other factors:
1) A kitten is, quite literally, defenseless. This ties into the
infantilization but where considering animals to be like infants is
emotive, this is an objective observation. The kitten could not
defend itself. In this respect, I suspect that he'd have a similar
reaction to a quadraplegic being shot at with a BB.
2) The damage that a BB does to small animal is much worse than the
damage that would have been done to a person. The cat needed to be
hospitalized. Again, I think that his sympathy for a person shot with
a .22 would be proportionate if not greater. Especially if that
person were also defenseless.
On the whole, what strikes me about this is the sadism for the person
or persons who did this. That mind-set, whether or not it's being
directed at an animal, is callous and dangerous. We should be angry,
and concerned, that such people are walking around. I can only hope
that it's some dumbassed teenager who will, hopefully, grow out of it.
Those who would do such a thing to a kitten would also do it in one form
or another to a human, sooner or later, according to most studies I have
run across.
That's my understanding as well.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: RAGING!!!!! |
27 Jul 2004 08:13:55 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Rally:
Perhaps because we relate to animals similarly to the way we relate
to our own young.
This is right on the money. Last year I had to put an old dog down. We
keep at least three dogs in the house as part of our family. My brother
had to do the same last week. His comment to me hit the nail on the head.
He said he felt like he had just killed his own child.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that
intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree?
Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. "You eat this apple, you're going to be
as smart as God. We can't have that."
[Frank Zappa]
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: RAGING!!!!! |
27 Jul 2004 04:22:28 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:BoadnXxa1YTAPZvcRVn-tA@io.com...
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.26.00.36.05.885003@localhost.localdomain...
http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/37d14975c
The Caledonian-Record Online Edition · Saturday July 24, 2004
www.caledonianrecord.com
Web Contact:
Ron Fontaine, Webmaster
190 Federal Street, PO Box 8
St. Johnsbury, Vermont 05819
fontainer@caledonian-record.com
Phone: 802-748-8121
Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Why am I more angry over a kitten than a human? It doesn't make sense.
I don't know about you, but we had BB gun fights when I was a kid.
Shooting a kitten, though, is grounds for an ***** kicking.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: RAGING!!!!! |
28 Jul 2004 01:09:13 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.07.26.00.36.05.885003@localhost.localdomain>,
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/37d14975c
The Caledonian-Record Online Edition · Saturday July 24, 2004
www.caledonianrecord.com
Web Contact:
Ron Fontaine, Webmaster
190 Federal Street, PO Box 8
St. Johnsbury, Vermont 05819
fontainer@caledonian-record.com
Phone: 802-748-8121
Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Rescuer May Adopt Cat
By GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
ST. JOHNSBURY, VT - A 10-week-old kitten shot twice
with a BB gun is alive due to the efforts of a
good Samaritan out for an early morning walk, Wednesday.
It was the pitiful cries of a wounded kitten which
drew the attention of Jennifer Samperi.
Samperi, who lives on Portland Street, was walking
by the old school on Portland Street at a little
after 2 a.m. when she heard the kitten crying.
She followed the cries to a dumpster by the former
school and saw a bloodied white and caramel colored kitten.
"The blood was fresh," Samperi said. "It looked
like it had recently been thrown in there.
"It freaked me out!" she went on to say. "It made
me sick to think someone could do that."
She pulled the cat out of the dumpster and
sought help for it.
Samperi called the emergency veterinarian's
line and left a message. A staff member at
St. Johnsbury Animal Hospital called her around
8:30 a.m. and told her to bring the kitten in.
Dr. Rob Hoppe said the cat was all covered
with blood when it was brought in. And it was anemic.
Hoppe said the kitten had been shot once in the
head and once in the back end.
Kris Hoppe said the kitten is on antibiotics
and is eating well.
"This certainly falls within the guidelines of
SAD-SAC," she said.
The Save-A-Dog, Save-A-Cat Fund, Kris Hoppe said,
will be paying the cat's medical bills, including
paying for removing the BBs and cleaning the wounds.
"The thing that was significant was there was
blood all over the kitten's body," she said.
"It's an awful thing to do."
The kitten will be kept at the animal hospital
until its wounds are looking better and it
finishes a 10-day antibiotic program.
Samperi said she is going to adopt the kitten
and take it home when it is better.
"I am actually an animal lover," she said.
"I have been telling my kids for months we
were going to get a cat. I never thought it
would be this way."
"We are going to call her special kitty because
she lived despite a loss of blood," Samperi said.
St. Johnsbury Police Sgt. Clem Houde said he will
be investigating who shot the kitten and
threw it into the dumpster.
"If someone just blatantly shot it, it is
cruelty to animals," Houde said. He thinks any
charge would be a misdemeanor charge. He said
there haven't been any recent similar cases.
Houde is urging people with any information about
the shooting to contact him at 748-2314 or
Crime Stoppers at 748-2222.
SAD-SAC is sponsored by The Caledonian-Record
on behalf of its readers.
The Caledonian-Record is a daily newspaper serving
Northern Vermont and Northern New Hampshire.
Visit our website updated daily at
www.caledonianrecord.com
Normally, I'm not in favor of physical punishment, but in this case,
if they catch the scum who did it...
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: RAGING!!!!! |
28 Jul 2004 06:16:15 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:09:13 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <pan.2004.07.26.00.36.05.885003@localhost.localdomain>,
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/37d14975c
The Caledonian-Record Online Edition · Saturday July 24, 2004
www.caledonianrecord.com
Web Contact:
Ron Fontaine, Webmaster
190 Federal Street, PO Box 8
St. Johnsbury, Vermont 05819
fontainer@caledonian-record.com
Phone: 802-748-8121
Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Rescuer May Adopt Cat
By GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
ST. JOHNSBURY, VT - A 10-week-old kitten shot twice
with a BB gun is alive due to the efforts of a
good Samaritan out for an early morning walk, Wednesday.
It was the pitiful cries of a wounded kitten which
drew the attention of Jennifer Samperi.
[]
"We are going to call her special kitty because
she lived despite a loss of blood," Samperi said.
St. Johnsbury Police Sgt. Clem Houde said he will
be investigating who shot the kitten and
threw it into the dumpster.
"If someone just blatantly shot it, it is
cruelty to animals," Houde said. He thinks any
charge would be a misdemeanor charge. He said
there haven't been any recent similar cases.
Houde is urging people with any information about
the shooting to contact him at 748-2314 or
Crime Stoppers at 748-2222.
SAD-SAC is sponsored by The Caledonian-Record
on behalf of its readers.
The Caledonian-Record is a daily newspaper serving
Northern Vermont and Northern New Hampshire.
Visit our website updated daily at
www.caledonianrecord.com
Normally, I'm not in favor of physical punishment, but in this case,
if they catch the scum who did it...
/cue the picture of the kitten in the window peering through
a rifle scope.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: OT: RAGING!!!!! |
29 Jul 2004 12:28:15 AM |
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In article <pan.2004.07.28.23.16.14.441282@localhost.localdomain>,
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:09:13 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <pan.2004.07.26.00.36.05.885003@localhost.localdomain>,
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/37d14975c
The Caledonian-Record Online Edition · Saturday July 24, 2004
www.caledonianrecord.com
Web Contact:
Ron Fontaine, Webmaster
190 Federal Street, PO Box 8
St. Johnsbury, Vermont 05819
fontainer@caledonian-record.com
Phone: 802-748-8121
Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Rescuer May Adopt Cat
By GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
ST. JOHNSBURY, VT - A 10-week-old kitten shot twice
with a BB gun is alive due to the efforts of a
good Samaritan out for an early morning walk, Wednesday.
It was the pitiful cries of a wounded kitten which
drew the attention of Jennifer Samperi.
[]
"We are going to call her special kitty because
she lived despite a loss of blood," Samperi said.
St. Johnsbury Police Sgt. Clem Houde said he will
be investigating who shot the kitten and
threw it into the dumpster.
"If someone just blatantly shot it, it is
cruelty to animals," Houde said. He thinks any
charge would be a misdemeanor charge. He said
there haven't been any recent similar cases.
Houde is urging people with any information about
the shooting to contact him at 748-2314 or
Crime Stoppers at 748-2222.
SAD-SAC is sponsored by The Caledonian-Record
on behalf of its readers.
The Caledonian-Record is a daily newspaper serving
Northern Vermont and Northern New Hampshire.
Visit our website updated daily at
www.caledonianrecord.com
Normally, I'm not in favor of physical punishment, but in this case,
if they catch the scum who did it...
/cue the picture of the kitten in the window peering through
a rifle scope.
And a hundred people in the background chanting softly: "Shoot. Shoot"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: RAGING!!!!! |
29 Jul 2004 03:59:50 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:28:15 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <pan.2004.07.28.23.16.14.441282@localhost.localdomain>,
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:09:13 -0700, johac wrote:
In article <pan.2004.07.26.00.36.05.885003@localhost.localdomain>,
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
http://www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/top_news/story/37d14975c
The Caledonian-Record Online Edition · Saturday July 24, 2004
www.caledonianrecord.com
Web Contact:
Ron Fontaine, Webmaster
190 Federal Street, PO Box 8
St. Johnsbury, Vermont 05819
fontainer@caledonian-record.com
Phone: 802-748-8121
Small Kitten Doing Better After Being Shot Twice With BB Gun
Rescuer May Adopt Cat
By GARY E. LINDSLEY, Staff Writer
ST. JOHNSBURY, VT - A 10-week-old kitten shot twice
with a BB gun is alive due to the efforts of a
good Samaritan out for an early morning walk, Wednesday.
It was the pitiful cries of a wounded kitten which
drew the attention of Jennifer Samperi.
[]
"We are going to call her special kitty because
she lived despite a loss of blood," Samperi said.
St. Johnsbury Police Sgt. Clem Houde said he will
be investigating who shot the kitten and
threw it into the dumpster.
"If someone just blatantly shot it, it is
cruelty to animals," Houde said. He thinks any
charge would be a misdemeanor charge. He said
there haven't been any recent similar cases.
Houde is urging people with any information about
the shooting to contact him at 748-2314 or
Crime Stoppers at 748-2222.
SAD-SAC is sponsored by The Caledonian-Record
on behalf of its readers.
The Caledonian-Record is a daily newspaper serving
Northern Vermont and Northern New Hampshire.
Visit our website updated daily at
www.caledonianrecord.com
Normally, I'm not in favor of physical punishment, but in this case,
if they catch the scum who did it...
/cue the picture of the kitten in the window peering through
a rifle scope.
And a hundred people in the background chanting softly: "Shoot. Shoot"
Nah.."lead your targets..."
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