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"Fester" |
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08 Jul 2007 09:29:19 AM |
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OT: So how did Algore's party go yesterday? |
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did anyone
show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and cooling our
homes?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: So how did Algore's party go yesterday? |
08 Jul 2007 10:41:59 AM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:4690f4be$0$3165$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did
anyone show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and
cooling our homes?
You mean the gross display of hypocrisy called "Live Earth?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=
466775&in_page_id=1879
"The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the
artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy
consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of carbon
emissions, according to John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com, who
specialises in such calculations.
Throw in the television audience and it comes to a staggering 74,500
tonnes. In comparison, the average Briton produces ten tonnes in a year.
The concert will also generate some 1,025 tonnes of waste at the concert
stadiums - much of which will go directly into landfill sites.
Moreover, the pop stars headlining the concerts are the absolute
antithesis of the message they promote - with Madonna leading the pack
of the worst individual rock star polluters in the world.
Sepermodel Kate Moss, another profligate polluter through her use of
private jets, is producing a T-shirt for the event. Yet, Gore is touting
the concerts as 'carbon neutral'. So how can that be?
Let us start with some facts. Worldwide, an audience of around 1,268,500
is expected to attend the concerts - making it one of the largest global
events in history.
Dr Andrea Collins, an expert in sustainability from Cardiff University,
has researched the impact of such mass gatherings on the environment.
"An event of this size at Wembley - which holds 65,000 at a rock
concert, will generate around 59 tonnes of waste," she says. "That is
largely composed of the rubbish from food and drink consumption."
She found that a Wembley-sized football match generated an 'ecological
footprint' of 3,000 global hectares - an area the size of 4,166 football
pitches. This is the amount of bioproductive land required to absorb the
C02 emissions produced by such an event."
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Carbon-offsetting is, it turns out, how celebrities square green issues
with their extravagant lifestyles and use of private jets.
Jon Bon Jovi has said: "We wrote a cheque, we took care of our footprint
and raised awareness, blah blah blah."
When Gore - who himself spent eight years flying on Air Force Two - was
asked if he had persuaded Madonna to stop using private jets, he said:
'Well, I appreciate and respect her as an artist and as a person, and
there are many artists who are offsetting their role in contributing to
the CO2 build-up, and I understand that.' A rather longwinded way of
saying 'no'.
Madonna has, however, been given an instruction handbook on climate
crisis by Live Earth.
John Rego, the environmental director of Live Earth, says he expects to
purchase at least 3,000 tonnes of carbon credits to off-set the event.
It is believed the organisers will spend in excess of £1million on
carbon offsetting to counter criticism.
Rego explains: "All the events are carbon neutral. We have chosen a
reforestation and reagricultural project in Mozambique. It is a credible
certifiable carbon-diffused project. We are in the process of purchasing
a carbon offset."
Dr Collins says: "Taking a flight and planting a tree does not add up.
It does not make it all right. It is having your cake and eating it."
Dr John Barrett, from the Stockholm Environment Institute at the
University of York, says: "There is a huge irony in flying halfway
across the globe in a private jet, eating up fossil fuel.
"The idea that you can offset the pollution you cause is just
ridiculous. What these people at Live Earth have done is defined their
boundaries to suit themselves, but there is no sense in which this
concert is carbon neutral.
"Planting trees or investing in renewable energy does not reverse the
damage of releasing huge quantities of carbon dioxide into the
environment.
"It is far better not to pollute in the first place. Carbon offsetting
can be a removal of guilt, but it is not an effective one."
Live Earth is encouraging 'citizens of the world' to take small steps:
share a car, plant a shrub, turn off a light or hang out washing rather
than use a dryer.
But Dr Barrett says: "It would be far better for these celebrities to
stay at home. Holding large concerts to highlight environmental concerns
and cut carbon emissions just seems ridiculous. What planet do these
people live on?"
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I wonder how much Pope Al's various holding companies and cutout
coporations made on the deal?
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: OT: So how did Algore's party go yesterday? |
08 Jul 2007 11:08:22 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:4690f4be$0$3165$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did
anyone show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and
cooling our homes?
You mean the gross display of hypocrisy called "Live Earth?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=
466775&in_page_id=1879
"The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the
artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy
consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of
carbon emissions, according to John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com,
who specialises in such calculations.
Gee Fred. Who cares? Anthropogenic carbon has no effect on climate change,
right?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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08 Jul 2007 12:39:37 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:4didnYIVsYRnlgzbnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:4690f4be$0$3165$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it.
Did anyone show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating
and cooling our homes?
You mean the gross display of hypocrisy called "Live Earth?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?
in_article_i
d= 466775&in_page_id=1879
"The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the
artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy
consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of
carbon emissions, according to John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com,
who specialises in such calculations.
Gee Fred. Who cares? Anthropogenic carbon has no effect on climate
change, right?
That's not what Hypocritical Al says. When he lives the way he wants ME
to live then maybe I might consider his message to be something other
than *****.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "John Brockbank" |
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08 Jul 2007 01:49:25 PM |
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< Dr Andrea Collins, an expert in sustainability from Cardiff
University,
has researched the impact of such mass gatherings on the environment.
"An event of this size at Wembley - which holds 65,000 at a rock
concert, will generate around 59 tonnes of waste," she says. "That is
largely composed of the rubbish from food and drink consumption." >
The 'Doctor' and 'expert' seems to think that the 65,000 folk would
not have eaten if they had stayed at home.
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| User: "Fester" |
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08 Jul 2007 03:12:29 PM |
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"John Brockbank" <JohnBrockbank@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1183920565.760750.286370@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
< Dr Andrea Collins, an expert in sustainability from Cardiff
University,
has researched the impact of such mass gatherings on the environment.
"An event of this size at Wembley - which holds 65,000 at a rock
concert, will generate around 59 tonnes of waste," she says. "That is
largely composed of the rubbish from food and drink consumption." >
The 'Doctor' and 'expert' seems to think that the 65,000 folk would
not have eaten if they had stayed at home.
True enough, the fact is that they would have eaten and they would have
driven their cars somewhere and they would have cooled their homes to the
same temperature and on and on. The only real difference is that they would
not have preached to each other and enjoyed a self-indulgent day of smugness
in celebration of how much they care.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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08 Jul 2007 08:27:13 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:49:25 -0700 there was an Ancient John
Brockbank <JohnBrockbank@googlemail.com> who stoppeth one in
alt.atheism
< Dr Andrea Collins, an expert in sustainability from Cardiff
University,
has researched the impact of such mass gatherings on the environment.
"An event of this size at Wembley - which holds 65,000 at a rock
concert, will generate around 59 tonnes of waste," she says. "That is
largely composed of the rubbish from food and drink consumption." >
The 'Doctor' and 'expert' seems to think that the 65,000 folk would
not have eaten if they had stayed at home.
She also ignores that all concessions at Live Earth events used
recyclable materials.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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09 Jul 2007 05:27:49 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:6j3393ta74cf5cgionies1h2trigtulo18@4ax.com:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:49:25 -0700 there was an Ancient John
Brockbank <JohnBrockbank@googlemail.com> who stoppeth one in
alt.atheism
< Dr Andrea Collins, an expert in sustainability from Cardiff
University,
has researched the impact of such mass gatherings on the environment.
"An event of this size at Wembley - which holds 65,000 at a rock
concert, will generate around 59 tonnes of waste," she says. "That is
largely composed of the rubbish from food and drink consumption." >
The 'Doctor' and 'expert' seems to think that the 65,000 folk would
not have eaten if they had stayed at home.
She also ignores that all concessions at Live Earth events used
recyclable materials.
Everything is recyclable, Doug, if you expend enough energy and generate
enough additional waste products in the process. The question is whether
it's worth it to recycle all that useless old Socialist *****.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jul 2007 04:48:34 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:49:25 -0700, John Brockbank wrote:
< Dr Andrea Collins, an expert in sustainability from Cardiff
University,
has researched the impact of such mass gatherings on the environment.
"An event of this size at Wembley - which holds 65,000 at a rock
concert, will generate around 59 tonnes of waste," she says. "That is
largely composed of the rubbish from food and drink consumption." >
The 'Doctor' and 'expert' seems to think that the 65,000 folk would not
have eaten if they had stayed at home.
They also would have stayed in their homes and wouldn't have driven
anywhere...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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| User: "Fester" |
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08 Jul 2007 03:15:21 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99678BACB98BAfreddybear@216.151.153.34...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:4didnYIVsYRnlgzbnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:4690f4be$0$3165$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it.
Did anyone show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating
and cooling our homes?
You mean the gross display of hypocrisy called "Live Earth?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?
in_article_i
d= 466775&in_page_id=1879
"The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the
artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy
consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of
carbon emissions, according to John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com,
who specialises in such calculations.
Gee Fred. Who cares? Anthropogenic carbon has no effect on climate
change, right?
That's not what Hypocritical Al says. When he lives the way he wants ME
to live then maybe I might consider his message to be something other
than *****.
Here's a good one:
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/live%20earth%20johannesburg%20officials%20blame%20climate%20change%20for%20poor%20turn-out_1036572
<quote>
LIVE EARTH JOHANNESBURG OFFICIALS BLAME CLIMATE CHANGE FOR POOR TURN-OUT
Officials at Live Earth Johannesburg have blamed the effects of climate
change for poor audience attendance at Saturday's (07Jul07) South African
event. Organiser John Langford believes extremely cold weather in the
region - it snowed last week (ends06Jul07) for the first time in a quarter
of a century - kept people away from the concert, which starred Joss Stone,
UB40, Angelique Kidjo and Baaba Maal. Speaking before the event, Langford
said, "We're expecting 10,000 here tonight. It's a bit chilly, and we've had
a strange winter... is it climate change? We had snow in Jo'burg last week
for the first time in 25 years." But critics have blamed poor publicity for
the weak turn-out.
</quote>
Anthropogenic global warming made it too cold for the South African greenies
to care enough to attend.
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| User: "Fester" |
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08 Jul 2007 11:23:53 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4didnYIVsYRnlgzbnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:4690f4be$0$3165$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did
anyone show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and
cooling our homes?
You mean the gross display of hypocrisy called "Live Earth?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=
466775&in_page_id=1879
"The total carbon footprint of the event, taking into account the
artists' and spectators' travel to the concert, and the energy
consumption on the day, is likely to be at least 31,500 tonnes of
carbon emissions, according to John Buckley of Carbonfootprint.com,
who specialises in such calculations.
Gee Fred. Who cares? Anthropogenic carbon has no effect on climate change,
right?
Exactly, but don't tell that to the carbo-phobic hypocrites who organized
and participated in the event.
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| User: "" |
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08 Jul 2007 03:27:24 PM |
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On 8 jul, 16:29, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did anyone
show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and cooling our
homes?
No the world is not save.
Shouting "Fire" won't help as long as noone starts fighting it.
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| User: "Fester" |
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08 Jul 2007 04:08:05 PM |
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<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1183926444.030905.104640@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 8 jul, 16:29, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did
anyone
show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and cooling our
homes?
No the world is not save.
Shouting "Fire" won't help as long as noone starts fighting it.
Nor will it help when there is no fire.
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| User: "" |
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11 Jul 2007 05:01:21 AM |
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On 8 jul, 23:08, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1183926444.030905.104640@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 8 jul, 16:29, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did
anyone
show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and cooling our
homes?
No the world is not save.
Shouting "Fire" won't help as long as noone starts fighting it.
Nor will it help when there is no fire.
But there is fire and the fire produces heat and C02
Peter van Velzen
July 2007
Amstelveen
(already 1 meter under sea-level)
The Netherlands
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| User: "Fester" |
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11 Jul 2007 05:14:19 PM |
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<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1184148081.290395.30500@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 8 jul, 23:08, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message
news:1183926444.030905.104640@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 8 jul, 16:29, "Fester" <n...@home.com> wrote:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did
anyone
show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and cooling
our
homes?
No the world is not save.
Shouting "Fire" won't help as long as noone starts fighting it.
Nor will it help when there is no fire.
But there is fire and the fire produces heat and C02
The metaphorical fire that you were referring to is a figment of your
imagination. Yelling fire at figments of one's imagination does nobody any
good.
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| User: "duke" |
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08 Jul 2007 04:28:25 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:29:19 -0400, "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
I heard something about it but didn't bother to watch any of it. Did anyone
show? Is the world safe now so can we go back to heating and cooling our
homes?
He owes the world a whole lot of carbon credits now.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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