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11 Aug 2007 06:02:36 AM |
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OT: So much for christian "compassion" |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours before
it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because
their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf
War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him
for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who
was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service,
when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men
"engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
"We did decline to host the service - not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it - yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Simons said the decision had nothing to do with the obituary. He said the
church offered to pay for another site for the service, made the video and
provided food for more than 100 relatives and friends.
"Even though we could not condone that lifestyle, we went above and beyond
for the family through many acts of love and kindness," Simons said.
Wright called the church's claim about the pictures "a bold-faced lie." She
said she provided numerous family pictures of Sinclair, including some with
his partner, but said none showed men kissing or hugging.
The 5,000-member High Point Church was founded in 2000 by Simons and his
wife, April, whose brother is Joel Osteen, well-known pastor of the
38,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston. Now High Point meets in a
432,000-square-foot facility in Arlington, near Dallas.
Wright said relatives declined the church's offer to hold the service at a
community center because they felt it was an inappropriate venue. It
ultimately was held at a funeral home, but the cancellation still lingered
in some minds, she said.
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On the Net:
High Point Church: http://www.churchunusual.com
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "V" |
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11 Aug 2007 08:02:49 AM |
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On Aug 11, 7:02?am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours before
it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because
their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf
War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him
for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who
was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service,
when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men
"engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
"We did decline to host the service - not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it - yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Simons said the decision had nothing to do with the obituary. He said the
church offered to pay for another site for the service, made the video and
provided food for more than 100 relatives and friends.
"Even though we could not condone that lifestyle, we went above and beyond
for the family through many acts of love and kindness," Simons said.
Wright called the church's claim about the pictures "a bold-faced lie." She
said she provided numerous family pictures of Sinclair, including some with
his partner, but said none showed men kissing or hugging.
The 5,000-member High Point Church was founded in 2000 by Simons and his
wife, April, whose brother is Joel Osteen, well-known pastor of the
38,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston. Now High Point meets in a
432,000-square-foot facility in Arlington, near Dallas.
Wright said relatives declined the church's offer to hold the service at a
community center because they felt it was an inappropriate venue. It
ultimately was held at a funeral home, but the cancellation still lingered
in some minds, she said.
___
On the Net:
High Point Church:http://www.churchunusual.com
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Each religion contains perfection's as well as imperfections. It is up
to the practitioner or end user to use the tools in the right way.
The problem is not the wisdom that is defective.
The problem lies with religious practitioners who are defective in
their practice of this wisdom.
The wisdom works - we don't work the wisdom.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: OT: So much for christian "compassion" |
11 Aug 2007 09:34:01 AM |
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On 11 aug, 15:02, V <vf...@aol.com> wrote:
On Aug 11, 7:02?am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours before
it was to start because the deceased was gay.
Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard
Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister,
Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of
his survivors, she said, it was called off.
"It's a slap in the face. It's like, 'Oh, we're sorry he died, but he's gay
so we can't help you,'" she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because
their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf
War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him
for a heart transplant.
The church's pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who
was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service,
when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men
"engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing."
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have
appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
"We did decline to host the service - not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it - yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Simons said the decision had nothing to do with the obituary. He said the
church offered to pay for another site for the service, made the video and
provided food for more than 100 relatives and friends.
"Even though we could not condone that lifestyle, we went above and beyond
for the family through many acts of love and kindness," Simons said.
Wright called the church's claim about the pictures "a bold-faced lie." She
said she provided numerous family pictures of Sinclair, including some with
his partner, but said none showed men kissing or hugging.
The 5,000-member High Point Church was founded in 2000 by Simons and his
wife, April, whose brother is Joel Osteen, well-known pastor of the
38,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston. Now High Point meets in a
432,000-square-foot facility in Arlington, near Dallas.
Wright said relatives declined the church's offer to hold the service at a
community center because they felt it was an inappropriate venue. It
ultimately was held at a funeral home, but the cancellation still lingered
in some minds, she said.
___
On the Net:
High Point Church:http://www.churchunusual.com
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Each religion contains perfection's as well as imperfections. It is up
to the practitioner or end user to use the tools in the right way.
The problem is not the wisdom that is defective.
The problem lies with religious practitioners who are defective in
their practice of this wisdom.
The wisdom works - we don't work the wisdom.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
I do not think there was any wisdom to practice
Most religion's "wisdom" includes the order to kill homosexuals.
I would say in this case the practisioners practiced what the bible
teaches.
You should study you subjects a litle better.
We have an islamofobic politician in the Netherlands these days
who promotes prohibiting the Quran
He does have a point, but if we grant it,
we should prohibit the bible also.
I think prohibition is not a good idea,
condemn the parts that are wrong,
but do not infringe on the freedom of the press
That said,
we should keep condeming any action,
supporting the condemnable parts,
and not close our eyes for the fact,
that they are part of the "wisdom".
Peter van Velzen
August 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: OT: So much for christian "compassion" |
11 Aug 2007 08:07:42 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
"We did decline to host the service - not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated Press.
"Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it - yes, we would have
declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Um... isn't "discrimination" the process of deciding what to accept or
reject based on some set of criteria? Why not just admit -- "Yeah, we
discriminated on the basis of the corpse's former sexual orientation. So
what?"
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "Smiler" |
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11 Aug 2007 09:02:13 PM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in message
news:13brd51h92au20d@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
"We did decline to host the service - not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated
Press. "Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it - yes, we
would have declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Um... isn't "discrimination" the process of deciding what to accept or
reject based on some set of criteria? Why not just admit -- "Yeah, we
discriminated on the basis of the corpse's former sexual orientation. So
what?"
Because they're 'lying for jeezus' xians and can never admit that they're
wrong.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: OT: So much for christian "compassion" |
12 Aug 2007 12:02:59 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:02:13 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote in message
news:13brd51h92au20d@corp.supernews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
"We did decline to host the service - not based on hatred, not based on
discrimination, but based on principle," Simons told The Associated
Press. "Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it - yes, we
would have declined then. It's not that we didn't love the family."
Um... isn't "discrimination" the process of deciding what to accept or
reject based on some set of criteria? Why not just admit -- "Yeah, we
discriminated on the basis of the corpse's former sexual orientation. So
what?"
Because they're 'lying for jeezus' xians and can never admit that they're
wrong.
Their parasitic mind-meme infection will not let the host admit such.
Seriously.
It is as simple as that.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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11 Aug 2007 07:11:57 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours
before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
He wasn't a member of the church. I can't imagine this is what he would have
wanted. His sister was likely trying to pull a fast one on the church. A
Catholic Church, at least one of the more progressive ones, may not have
objected, but these nondenominational places are generally pretty
conservative.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: So much for christian "compassion" |
11 Aug 2007 07:35:16 AM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:RPednaBBD8UIOiDbnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours
before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
He wasn't a member of the church. I can't imagine this is what he would
have wanted. His sister was likely trying to pull a fast one on the
church. A Catholic Church, at least one of the more progressive ones, may
not have objected, but these nondenominational places are generally pretty
conservative.
I'm sure you're right. I still thought it was an extremely cruel thing to
do to the family though :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Geoff" |
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11 Aug 2007 01:38:15 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:RPednaBBD8UIOiDbnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours
before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
He wasn't a member of the church. I can't imagine this is what he
would have wanted. His sister was likely trying to pull a fast one
on the church. A Catholic Church, at least one of the more
progressive ones, may not have objected, but these nondenominational
places are generally pretty conservative.
I'm sure you're right. I still thought it was an extremely cruel
thing to do to the family though :P
That would be their modus operandi. Christian compassion for "real"
Christians, but damn the rest to Hell.
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| User: "Hatter" |
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11 Aug 2007 09:36:27 PM |
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On Aug 11, 2:38 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:RPednaBBD8UIOiDbnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours
before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
He wasn't a member of the church. I can't imagine this is what he
would have wanted. His sister was likely trying to pull a fast one
on the church. A Catholic Church, at least one of the more
progressive ones, may not have objected, but these nondenominational
places are generally pretty conservative.
I'm sure you're right. I still thought it was an extremely cruel
thing to do to the family though :P
That would be their modus operandi. Christian compassion for "real"
Christians, but damn the rest to Hell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'Real' part where it gets tricky.' Real 'is a definition, that
varies according to the definer, a freind of mine was from a town with
6 baptist churches, all of which were convinced the other 5
congregations were hellbound. What a lot of effort and a lot of hate
to spend on make believe.
Hatter
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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11 Aug 2007 11:45:29 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:36:27 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 11, 2:38 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:RPednaBBD8UIOiDbnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours
before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
He wasn't a member of the church. I can't imagine this is what he
would have wanted. His sister was likely trying to pull a fast one
on the church. A Catholic Church, at least one of the more
progressive ones, may not have objected, but these nondenominational
places are generally pretty conservative.
I'm sure you're right. I still thought it was an extremely cruel
thing to do to the family though :P
That would be their modus operandi. Christian compassion for "real"
Christians, but damn the rest to Hell.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'Real' part where it gets tricky.' Real 'is a definition, that
varies according to the definer, a freind of mine was from a town with
6 baptist churches, all of which were convinced the other 5
congregations were hellbound. What a lot of effort and a lot of hate
to spend on make believe.
It reminds me very much of the primitive tribes in New Guinea.
It's tribalism dressed up in Xtianity.
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| User: "duke" |
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11 Aug 2007 02:17:21 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:11:57 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours
before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
He wasn't a member of the church. I can't imagine this is what he would have
wanted. His sister was likely trying to pull a fast one on the church. A
Catholic Church, at least one of the more progressive ones, may not have
objected, but these nondenominational places are generally pretty
conservative.
It's highly unlikely that any RC Church would have done anything but proceed
with the service.
We are all sinners, including the Pope. Being gay is not a sin; practicing
homosexuality is. As Christians, we are not to judge. The vet could have gone
to confession before he died.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: So much for christian "compassion" |
12 Aug 2007 01:59:52 AM |
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On 11 Aug., 21:17, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:11:57 -0400, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070811/ap_on_re_us/gay_funeral
Church cancels memorial for gay Navy vet
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 16 minutes ago
A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours
before it was to start because the deceased was gay.
He wasn't a member of the church. I can't imagine this is what he would have
wanted. His sister was likely trying to pull a fast one on the church. A
Catholic Church, at least one of the more progressive ones, may not have
objected, but these nondenominational places are generally pretty
conservative.
It's highly unlikely that any RC Church would have done anything but proceed
with the service.
We are all sinners, including the Pope. Being gay is not a sin; practicing
homosexuality is.
No it isn't. Beside, no one "practices" homosexuality.
Do you "practice" being stupid?
As Christians, we are not to judge.
And yet, you do it all the time. More proof that you're only a
christian-wannabe.
The vet could have gone
to confession before he died.
Or he couldn't. Homosexuality isn't a sin.
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| User: "duke" |
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12 Aug 2007 07:28:48 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:59:52 -0700, wrote:
We are all sinners, including the Pope. Being gay is not a sin; practicing
homosexuality is.
No it isn't. Beside, no one "practices" homosexuality.
Doctors have a "practice".
Do you "practice" being stupid?
No, but I practice at telling you that you are.
As Christians, we are not to judge.
And yet, you do it all the time. More proof that you're only a
christian-wannabe.
That's for God to decide.
The vet could have gone
to confession before he died.
Or he couldn't. Homosexuality isn't a sin.
God said it's despicable.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: So much for christian "compassion" |
12 Aug 2007 09:30:25 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:59:52 -0700, wrote:
We are all sinners, including the Pope. Being gay is not a sin;
practicing homosexuality is.
No it isn't. Beside, no one "practices" homosexuality.
Doctors have a "practice".
Which has ***** all to do with anything in this thread.
Do you "practice" being stupid?
No, but I practice at telling you that you are.
Duke needs nop practice at being a moron. The above lame attempt at a
comeback is all you need to confirm this.
As Christians, we are not to judge.
And yet, you do it all the time. More proof that you're only a
christian-wannabe.
That's for God to decide.
What? If your a christian-wannabe?
The vet could have gone
to confession before he died.
Or he couldn't. Homosexuality isn't a sin.
God said it's despicable.
Liar. No one ever heard God say that.
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| User: "duke" |
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12 Aug 2007 11:02:33 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:30:25 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:59:52 -0700, wrote:
We are all sinners, including the Pope. Being gay is not a sin;
practicing homosexuality is.
No it isn't. Beside, no one "practices" homosexuality.
Doctors have a "practice".
Which has ***** all to do with anything in this thread.
SWOOSH - right over your head.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: So much for christian "compassion" |
13 Aug 2007 09:34:03 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:30:25 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:59:52 -0700, wrote:
We are all sinners, including the Pope. Being gay is not a sin;
practicing homosexuality is.
No it isn't. Beside, no one "practices" homosexuality.
Doctors have a "practice".
Which has ***** all to do with anything in this thread.
SWOOSH - right over your head.
Then, instead of being a fucking cryptic twit, be kind enough to explain to
me what the term "practice" as applied to the medical profession has to do
with someone's sexual preference.
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