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Religions > Atheism |
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"Fester" |
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06 Jan 2004 09:28:16 PM |
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OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
I've heard a lot ovf talk on radio and TV from people trying to compare
Steve Erwin's recent stunt with Roy of Siegfried and Roy. I am of the
opinon that the 2 are highly incomparable for reasons that I haven't heard
discussed. The 2 are marvelously talented animal handlers, of course, but
the similarities end there.
Roy's act and interaction with his cats was based upon trust between he and
his cats. He routinely left himself very vulnerable to attack if the cat
chose to do so, relying on the animal's upbringing and training for safety.
OTOH, Steve Erwin, IMHO, never trusts the wild animals he handles. Rather,
he places his safety (and that of his child in this case) in his knowledge
of what the animal is capable of doing, and his ability to respond to it.
He never trusted the gator not to attack him. He understood very well what
the animal could do and how to avoid danger should it choose to do so.
IMHO, Steve Erwin represented a much smaller risk to himself and his baby
than Roy did to himself and even to his audience. He relied on his skill
and on the gator being a gator. Roy's injuries were sustained when he
interposed to prevent his tiger from possibly attacking someone in the
crowd. It is quite possible that things could have been much worse if he
couldn't keep the cat from attacking the spectator. He relied on the cat
behaving in a predictable manner, and that, IMHO makes all the difference.
IMHO, Erwin's knowledge of animal behavior appeared to be lacking with
regard to his own species. I wish that he would have enjoyed and continued
to raise his baby off camera to avoid the easily forseeable mess that he
caused. Either way, can I hardly imagine the kind of naturalist that this
kid is going to be some day!
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
07 Jan 2004 11:52:27 AM |
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Fester wrote:
I've heard a lot ovf talk on radio and TV from people trying to compare
Steve Erwin's recent stunt with Roy of Siegfried and Roy. I am of the
opinon that the 2 are highly incomparable for reasons that I haven't heard
discussed. The 2 are marvelously talented animal handlers, of course, but
the similarities end there.
Roy's act and interaction with his cats was based upon trust between he
and
his cats. He routinely left himself very vulnerable to attack if the cat
chose to do so, relying on the animal's upbringing and training for
safety.
OTOH, Steve Erwin, IMHO, never trusts the wild animals he handles.
Rather, he places his safety (and that of his child in this case) in his
knowledge of what the animal is capable of doing, and his ability to
respond to it.
He never trusted the gator not to attack him. He understood very well
what the animal could do and how to avoid danger should it choose to do
so.
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa. He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
07 Jan 2004 05:44:48 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
I've heard a lot ovf talk on radio and TV from people trying to compare
Steve Erwin's recent stunt with Roy of Siegfried and Roy. I am of the
opinon that the 2 are highly incomparable for reasons that I haven't
heard
discussed. The 2 are marvelously talented animal handlers, of course,
but
the similarities end there.
Roy's act and interaction with his cats was based upon trust between he
and
his cats. He routinely left himself very vulnerable to attack if the
cat
chose to do so, relying on the animal's upbringing and training for
safety.
OTOH, Steve Erwin, IMHO, never trusts the wild animals he handles.
Rather, he places his safety (and that of his child in this case) in his
knowledge of what the animal is capable of doing, and his ability to
respond to it.
He never trusted the gator not to attack him. He understood very well
what the animal could do and how to avoid danger should it choose to do
so.
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
Thanks for correcting my spelling of his name. You're welcome to your
opinion, I'll stand by mine.
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| User: "Clayton...Tpols Pong Fa Man Bitch" |
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07 Jan 2004 06:41:52 PM |
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"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
I've heard a lot ovf talk on radio and TV from people trying to compare
Steve Erwin's recent stunt with Roy of Siegfried and Roy. I am of the
opinon that the 2 are highly incomparable for reasons that I haven't
heard
discussed. The 2 are marvelously talented animal handlers, of course,
but
the similarities end there.
Roy's act and interaction with his cats was based upon trust between he
and
his cats. He routinely left himself very vulnerable to attack if the
cat
chose to do so, relying on the animal's upbringing and training for
safety.
OTOH, Steve Erwin, IMHO, never trusts the wild animals he handles.
Rather, he places his safety (and that of his child in this case) in his
knowledge of what the animal is capable of doing, and his ability to
respond to it.
He never trusted the gator not to attack him. He understood very well
what the animal could do and how to avoid danger should it choose to do
so.
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
08 Jan 2004 08:30:06 AM |
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In article <3ffca6a6$0$18751$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, Clayton...T'pol's
Pong Fa Man ***** says...
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
I've heard a lot ovf talk on radio and TV from people trying to compare
Steve Erwin's recent stunt with Roy of Siegfried and Roy. I am of the
opinon that the 2 are highly incomparable for reasons that I haven't
heard
discussed. The 2 are marvelously talented animal handlers, of course,
but
the similarities end there.
Roy's act and interaction with his cats was based upon trust between he
and
his cats. He routinely left himself very vulnerable to attack if the
cat
chose to do so, relying on the animal's upbringing and training for
safety.
OTOH, Steve Erwin, IMHO, never trusts the wild animals he handles.
Rather, he places his safety (and that of his child in this case) in his
knowledge of what the animal is capable of doing, and his ability to
respond to it.
He never trusted the gator not to attack him. He understood very well
what the animal could do and how to avoid danger should it choose to do
so.
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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08 Jan 2004 06:49:17 PM |
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In article <OPdLb.21629$85.686@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
Heh. I flat-out puzzled my Dad last weekend when we discovered a bunch
of ladybugs in his living room. I caught every one of them (using an
interesting improvised tool) and escorted them outside.
I do that with every beast I find in my home, other than the ones that
are a threat to me...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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09 Jan 2004 10:12:06 AM |
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In article <nemo0037-650DA9.19491608012004@news05.east.earthlink.net>, *nemo*
says...
In article <OPdLb.21629$85.686@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
Heh. I flat-out puzzled my Dad last weekend when we discovered a bunch
of ladybugs in his living room. I caught every one of them (using an
interesting improvised tool) and escorted them outside.
<chuckle> I do exactly the same thing, unless it's an absolutely huge,
grotesque spider. Then I have to husband shoo it into a cup and dump it
outside.
And what was this interesting improvised tool? :)
I do that with every beast I find in my home, other than the ones that
are a threat to me...
Exactly. The only way wasps get out of my house is in the garbage after being
smashed flat with whatever's available ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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09 Jan 2004 08:06:55 PM |
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In article <qpALb.21787$85.733@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
In article <nemo0037-650DA9.19491608012004@news05.east.earthlink.net>, *nemo*
says...
In article <OPdLb.21629$85.686@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
Heh. I flat-out puzzled my Dad last weekend when we discovered a bunch
of ladybugs in his living room. I caught every one of them (using an
interesting improvised tool) and escorted them outside.
<chuckle> I do exactly the same thing, unless it's an absolutely huge,
grotesque spider.
I've never seen any "grotesque" spiders... at least none I'd describe
that way. I think all of them are cool. Though I don't think'd go
looking to have one crawl on my hand. I only get praying mantises and
such-like for that.
Then I have to husband shoo it into a cup and dump it
outside.
Excellent.
And what was this interesting improvised tool? :)
I suppose it would only work with ladybugs. There's the little broom
with close-set bristles that are plastic and pretty stiff. When I tried
to knock the bugs off their perch on the ceiling, they would fly back to
where they started. I tried sweeping one off, and it disappeared. I
pulled the broom down and discovered the beetle trapped in the
accumulated dust among the bristles, apparently intact and just a little
annoyed.
When I escorted him outside, he flew away, so it looks like it was a
pretty safe capture system. I took out about a half-dozen like that with
no fatalities. {;-)
I do that with every beast I find in my home, other than the ones that
are a threat to me...
Exactly. The only way wasps get out of my house is in the garbage after being
smashed flat with whatever's available ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Fester" |
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09 Jan 2004 08:28:44 PM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-2691DE.21065409012004@news06.east.earthlink.net...
In article <qpALb.21787$85.733@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
In article <nemo0037-650DA9.19491608012004@news05.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo*
says...
In article <OPdLb.21629$85.686@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch
snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much
to my
husband's dismay) :)
Heh. I flat-out puzzled my Dad last weekend when we discovered a bunch
of ladybugs in his living room. I caught every one of them (using an
interesting improvised tool) and escorted them outside.
<chuckle> I do exactly the same thing, unless it's an absolutely huge,
grotesque spider.
I've never seen any "grotesque" spiders... at least none I'd describe
that way. I think all of them are cool. Though I don't think'd go
looking to have one crawl on my hand. I only get praying mantises and
such-like for that.
Then I have to husband shoo it into a cup and dump it
outside.
Excellent.
And what was this interesting improvised tool? :)
I suppose it would only work with ladybugs. There's the little broom
with close-set bristles that are plastic and pretty stiff. When I tried
to knock the bugs off their perch on the ceiling, they would fly back to
where they started. I tried sweeping one off, and it disappeared. I
pulled the broom down and discovered the beetle trapped in the
accumulated dust among the bristles, apparently intact and just a little
annoyed.
When I escorted him outside, he flew away, so it looks like it was a
pretty safe capture system. I took out about a half-dozen like that with
no fatalities. {;-)
I do that with every beast I find in my home, other than the ones that
are a threat to me...
Not me. When I see 'em I squash like ... errr well ... like bugs!
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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08 Jan 2004 09:03:13 AM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man ***** says...
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Fester wrote:
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
Every handled one of these lizards?
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/mirroredlizard.jpg
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Jan 2004 11:04:19 AM |
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In article <b5sqvv0ps23fqrsepdsfdrqfagmibog0i7@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man ***** says...
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Fester wrote:
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
Every handled one of these lizards?
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/mirroredlizard.jpg
What a cutie pie! He sort of looks like a bearded dragon.
No, they don't have those in my neck of the woods. The only lizards I've caught
in NJ are skinks (not skunks, for you wiseasses out there) - That and a lot of
salamanders, not to mention one of the hugest bullfrogs I've ever seen in my
life. Took two hands to pick up that bad boy.
When I lived in Florida, I caught tons of anole lizards and geckos (damn tails
were always falling of these guys) :)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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10 Jan 2004 11:54:28 AM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man ***** says...
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
Ever handled one of these lizards?
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/mirroredlizard.jpg
What a cutie pie! He sort of looks like a bearded dragon.
He could actually "play possum" as far as reptiles go. Luey tossed
him up and down in the air, batted him around for a while, chewed off
part of its tail, and after Luey lost interest, the lizard came back
to life from the dead.
No, they don't have those in my neck of the woods. The only lizards I've caught
in NJ are skinks (not skunks, for you wiseasses out there) - That and a lot of
salamanders, not to mention one of the hugest bullfrogs I've ever seen in my
life. Took two hands to pick up that bad boy.
I assume you're not afraid of handling giant toads as well as giant
bullfrogs? Not afraid of warts, are you?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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10 Jan 2004 12:56:56 PM |
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In article <1me0001qkdirbf9sed1m9oa0lharf4sb2p@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man ***** says...
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
LOL - And this sweet little gal from New Jersey, USA loves to catch snakes,
frogs, toads and lizards as well as the occasional large insect (much to my
husband's dismay) :)
Ever handled one of these lizards?
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/jpg/mirroredlizard.jpg
What a cutie pie! He sort of looks like a bearded dragon.
He could actually "play possum" as far as reptiles go. Luey tossed
him up and down in the air, batted him around for a while, chewed off
part of its tail, and after Luey lost interest, the lizard came back
to life from the dead.
Ah, this is one of Luey's catches. I thought so. Thank goodness he didn't do
the little guy in.
No, they don't have those in my neck of the woods. The only lizards I've caught
in NJ are skinks (not skunks, for you wiseasses out there) - That and a lot of
salamanders, not to mention one of the hugest bullfrogs I've ever seen in my
life. Took two hands to pick up that bad boy.
I assume you're not afraid of handling giant toads as well as giant
bullfrogs? Not afraid of warts, are you?
Hey, I've had five removed from each hand on the same day via the freezing
method and lived to tell the tale (but, talk about PAIN!).
I actually used to be plagued by warts when I was a kid. The last time I had a
wart was over 20 years ago ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Jan 2004 10:07:28 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:41:52 +1000, "Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man
*****" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> posted to alt.atheism:
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
Call TCA - she'll defend you.
--
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Yang" |
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08 Jan 2004 01:57:37 AM |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:41:52 +1000, "Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man
*****" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
All the transplant Aussies here in the US I've talked to absolutely
despise Steve Irwin.
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -485 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Kenny" |
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07 Jan 2004 07:06:55 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:41:52 +1000, Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man *****
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com...
Fester wrote:
I've heard a lot ovf talk on radio and TV from people trying to
compare
Steve Erwin's recent stunt with Roy of Siegfried and Roy. I am of the
opinon that the 2 are highly incomparable for reasons that I haven't
heard
discussed. The 2 are marvelously talented animal handlers, of course,
but
the similarities end there.
Roy's act and interaction with his cats was based upon trust between
he
and
his cats. He routinely left himself very vulnerable to attack if the
cat
chose to do so, relying on the animal's upbringing and training for
safety.
OTOH, Steve Erwin, IMHO, never trusts the wild animals he handles.
Rather, he places his safety (and that of his child in this case) in
his
knowledge of what the animal is capable of doing, and his ability to
respond to it.
He never trusted the gator not to attack him. He understood very well
what the animal could do and how to avoid danger should it choose to
do
so.
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
Crikey, mate, we know he's not like all you fair-dinkum Aussies... ;)
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| User: "Clayton...Tpols Pong Fa Man Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
07 Jan 2004 09:19:29 PM |
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"Kenny" <lordkenneth@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:41:52 +1000, Clayton...T'pol's Pong Fa Man *****
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
"Kevin Anthoney" <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Fester wrote:
I've heard a lot ovf talk on radio and TV from people trying to
compare
Steve Erwin's recent stunt with Roy of Siegfried and Roy. I am of
the
opinon that the 2 are highly incomparable for reasons that I haven't
heard
discussed. The 2 are marvelously talented animal handlers, of
course,
but
the similarities end there.
Roy's act and interaction with his cats was based upon trust between
he
and
his cats. He routinely left himself very vulnerable to attack if the
cat
chose to do so, relying on the animal's upbringing and training for
safety.
OTOH, Steve Erwin, IMHO, never trusts the wild animals he handles.
Rather, he places his safety (and that of his child in this case) in
his
knowledge of what the animal is capable of doing, and his ability to
respond to it.
He never trusted the gator not to attack him. He understood very
well
what the animal could do and how to avoid danger should it choose to
do
so.
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing
into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when
he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the
engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with
a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The trouble is he's making the world think all us Aussie guys are
equally
wild. Hell...I jump on a table when a mouse runs across the floor.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
Crikey, mate, we know he's not like all you fair-dinkum Aussies... ;)
That's another thing....I've never said crikey, fair dinkum or cobber in my
life, other then when I'm pointing out that I don't say them. He talks like
some Bazza McKenzie era English stereotype of an Australian oaf.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
07 Jan 2004 06:23:24 PM |
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In article <20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com>,
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa. He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The man is a danger to himself and (pretty obviously) his children.
Claiming he's "completely in control" of a hungry croc? Riiiight.
Then to parade his one month old son around like a meat puppet, and hold
him up like a trophy -- that's about the most despicable thing I've seen
anyone do with his baby, *including* Michael Jackson's little stunt.
And his interview after the fact... how fucking stupid can he be? "I
would be considered a bad parent if I didn't teach my children how to be
croc-savvey..."
Yeah... you can teach a 1-month-old baby a lot, holding him under your
armpit like a second snack to the croc.
The man should have been arrested.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
08 Jan 2004 04:59:17 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
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In article <20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com>,
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The man is a danger to himself and (pretty obviously) his children.
Claiming he's "completely in control" of a hungry croc? Riiiight.
That's not the claim. Rather, I say that he's completely safe in the croc's
presence, owing to his own skill and knowledge of what the croc is capable
of.
Then to parade his one month old son around like a meat puppet, and hold
him up like a trophy -- that's about the most despicable thing I've seen
anyone do with his baby, *including* Michael Jackson's little stunt.
Pure hysterics, Nemo. The kid would be in much more danger, if he had to
ride in a car in Sydney every day.
And his interview after the fact... how fucking stupid can he be? "I
would be considered a bad parent if I didn't teach my children how to be
croc-savvey..."
IMHO, I think that Irwin is trying to acclamate his kid to the environment
the *he* lives in. People have a natural, instinctive fear of other
predators. As well we should, in most cases. Irwin is trying to raise his
son to have no fear of them. A bad thing for one ill-equipped to handle
them, but a good thing for the naturalist which he hopes his son to become.
Yeah... you can teach a 1-month-old baby a lot, holding him under your
armpit like a second snack to the croc.
The man should have been arrested.
More hysterics. The man is the best in the world at what he does. He knows
full well what tools are needed to be great at it, and is trying to raise a
child who can follow him. It was a PR blunder, but that's it. Considering
all the good that Irwin has done for this world, in terms of educating the
public about nature, I am more than willing to overlook his poor PR move.
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| User: "August Pamplona" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
09 Jan 2004 11:32:10 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-2BA7B1.19232307012004@news03.east.earthlink.net...
In article <20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com>,
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in
Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before
climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it
when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface.
Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts
poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the
engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake
with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The man is a danger to himself and (pretty obviously) his children.
Claiming he's "completely in control" of a hungry croc? Riiiight.
That's not the claim. Rather, I say that he's completely safe in the
croc's
presence, owing to his own skill and knowledge of what the croc is
capable
of.
Anyone who would think he's completely safe would be an idiot
(including Steve Irwin --perhaps he might be the biggest idiot of them
all). There are both false illusions of great danger and illusions of
safety at play in his show. Yes, he really does know what he's doing but
to some non-negligible degree he's also playing the odds and, if he's
not a complete idiot (which is debatable given the baby incident), he
knows it too.
Then to parade his one month old son around like a meat puppet, and
hold
him up like a trophy -- that's about the most despicable thing I've
seen
anyone do with his baby, *including* Michael Jackson's little stunt.
Pure hysterics, Nemo. The kid would be in much more danger, if he
had to
ride in a car in Sydney every day.
*****! Steve Irwin is very good at not being surprised 99% of the
time in his interactions with these creatures. There's also a 1% of the
time when surprises do happen (the fact that surprises do happen and the
fact that he does make mistakes is why there's a section on Animal
Planet devoted to "close calls"). Sometimes this means he has got to
wing it. Sometimes it means he endangers himself or others. Sometimes
the surprises will be so unexpected and hazardous that he might end up
ripping up a shoulder joint trying to control a croc, a croc might
manage to lunch on some helper's buttocks or a croc might decide to
forego the dead chicken and go directly for the wrigley "meal" that
Steve is trying to acclimate to Crocworld. I suspect you overestimate
the risk from driving in Sydney (or the risk from being dangled by
Michael Jackson, for that matter)
And his interview after the fact... how fucking stupid can he be? "I
would be considered a bad parent if I didn't teach my children how
to be
croc-savvey..."
IMHO, I think that Irwin is trying to acclamate his kid to the
environment
the *he* lives in. People have a natural, instinctive fear of other
predators. As well we should, in most cases. Irwin is trying to
raise his
son to have no fear of them.
If true, that in itself is enough to condemn the man. There are some
things people should be fearful of (or, if fear is not a macho enough
word for you, there are things people should have a healthy respect for)
and large wild predatory reptiles with big pointy teeth are amongst
them. In addition to all the danger to the child from all which he
cannot control, this Steve Irwin fellow is, by trivializing this sort of
interaction and making it so unremarkable, setting up the kid for doing
something stupid later in life (all kids do stupid things) in a
situation which allows no margin for error.
A bad thing for one ill-equipped to
handle
them, but a good thing for the naturalist which he hopes his son to
become.
Yeah... you can teach a 1-month-old baby a lot, holding him under
your
armpit like a second snack to the croc.
The man should have been arrested.
More hysterics. The man is the best in the world at what he does. He
knows
There's nothing useful which can be taught to a 1 month old baby
within this context. Even Peek-A-Boo with actual people (never mind
crocodiles) is beyond them at this stage (heck, these little guys don't
even control where and when they poop and pee!).
full well what tools are needed to be great at it, and is trying to
raise a
child who can follow him. It was a PR blunder, but that's it.
Considering
all the good that Irwin has done for this world, in terms of educating
the
public about nature, I am more than willing to overlook his poor PR
move.
August Pamplona
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The waterfall in Java is not wet.
- omegazero2003 on m.f.w.
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'cosmicaug'
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Steve Erwin != Roy |
08 Jan 2004 06:46:48 PM |
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In article <9KaLb.192885$Vu5.15046227@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote:
"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-2BA7B1.19232307012004@news03.east.earthlink.net...
In article <20ae8$3ffc475c$51569c09$24510@nf2.news-service.com>,
Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
My favourite Steve Irwin stunt was when he was hunting crocs in Africa.
He
found a nest, so he waited for the mother to depart before climbing into
the water and digging out a baby. He's just telling us about it when he
looks down to see some air bubbles coming up to the surface. Muttering
"Danger, danger" to the camera, he grabs a long stick and starts poking
around...
Second best was the one where he was balanced precariously on the engine
compartment of a car, trying to fend off a deadly poisonous snake with a
car ariel.
So, yeah, he really knows what he's doing.
The man is a danger to himself and (pretty obviously) his children.
Claiming he's "completely in control" of a hungry croc? Riiiight.
That's not the claim. Rather, I say that he's completely safe in the croc's
presence, owing to his own skill and knowledge of what the croc is capable
of.
You must have missed the interview. Irwin was the one who said he was
"in complete control."
Then to parade his one month old son around like a meat puppet, and hold
him up like a trophy -- that's about the most despicable thing I've seen
anyone do with his baby, *including* Michael Jackson's little stunt.
Pure hysterics, Nemo. The kid would be in much more danger, if he had to
ride in a car in Sydney every day.
So they don't use car seats for infants? Did you see him "walking" his
baby across the lawn? I would be hauled in front of a judge if I tried
that *****.
And his interview after the fact... how fucking stupid can he be? "I
would be considered a bad parent if I didn't teach my children how to be
croc-savvey..."
IMHO, I think that Irwin is trying to acclamate his kid to the environment
the *he* lives in. People have a natural, instinctive fear of other
predators. As well we should, in most cases. Irwin is trying to raise his
son to have no fear of them. A bad thing for one ill-equipped to handle
them, but a good thing for the naturalist which he hopes his son to become.
Irwin is a showman. He enjoys being in the limelight and feeling that
he's in control of everything around him. He needs a good stiff slap
from the authorities to wake him up to what he's doing.
Yeah... you can teach a 1-month-old baby a lot, holding him under your
armpit like a second snack to the croc.
The man should have been arrested.
More hysterics. The man is the best in the world at what he does. He knows
full well what tools are needed to be great at it, and is trying to raise a
child who can follow him. It was a PR blunder, but that's it. Considering
all the good that Irwin has done for this world, in terms of educating the
public about nature, I am more than willing to overlook his poor PR move.
I have no desire to see more Irwin-like idiots parading around the
world. Jacques Cousteau raised his kids to follow in his footsteps, and
you never saw him dangle one of his babies over a shark tank "to
acclimate him." Naturalist? Bloody idiot, more like. Learning how to
manhandle dangerous creatures just so he can impress people with how
much skill and power he has is *not* the way a naturalist does serious
work.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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