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"stoney" |
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26 Jun 2005 10:26:16 AM |
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OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
http://www.detnews.com/2005/editorial/0506/26/A15-227745.htm
Sunday, June 26, 2005
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
By Nolan Finley / The Detroit News
June is waning, and with it the high school graduation celebrations.
The tassels are flipped; the hats tossed in the air. And soon, the
last of the champagne corks will pop.
Big stinking deal. High school graduation is an archaic ceremony that
carries no significance today. It ought to be scrapped.
Parents are wed to the notion that graduation day marks a rite of
passage into the adult world; that their children have secured a
foothold on the future.
So they snap a few last school pictures to tape on the refrigerator
door, throw parties and shake down about everyone they know for a
check.
But if high school graduation is the last education milestone young
Johnny and Jill mark, then write them off as failures, or more
charitably, as having a high probability of leading a marginal life.
Despite what the local windbag said in that windy commencement speech,
finishing the 12th grade is no more significant than finishing the
10th, or the fourth, or the first. It's just one more year in an
education career that has to extend well beyond the senior year of
high school.
Abe Stokla, this year's valedictorian at Eagleville High School, had
his diploma yanked for saying in his speech: "You have given us the
minimum required attention and education to master any station at any
McDonald's anywhere."
But the kid was telling the truth. High school isn't preparation for a
single career. It's certainly no finish line.
The best a high school graduate can hope for today is to start work in
a menial, low-paying position and hope that on-the-job training will
help him or her move up the economic ladder.
But the odds are the climb will be limited. Over the course of a
lifetime, a college graduate will earn $1 million more on average than
a high school graduate.
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material? Will they even get
the opportunity to drop out of Harvard, as Gates did?
If the traditional, four-year college track isn't in their stars,
they'd better at least be looking at a two-year community college
program, or some other technical or trade school training.
We'd serve our children better if we stopped thinking about education
as K-12, and started talking in terms of K-14 or K-16.
High school should be a staging ground to direct all students into the
next phase of education, and to begin steering them toward careers.
It might be best if we stopped handing out high school diplomas,
stopped even recognizing graduation day. That would deliver the
message that nothing's finished yet.
Hold the applause. Save the speeches and the checks. Keep the
champagne on ice.
Let the celebration begin when there's truly something to celebrate.
Nolan Finley is editorial page editor of The News. Reach him at (313)
222-2064 or
© 2005 Detroit News
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 04:09:34 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot my spending 12 years in the
US Army immediately after high school was a waste.
Many people are not interested in college. There are people who want
to be mechanics and plumbers, or just don't have any ambition at all.
Why try to force everyone into the same college-bound mode? Back in
the early 80s, the California public schools were doing that. We all
had to take courses to meet the UC/Cal State requirements. This meant
that many of the industrial arts courses were cut. So the kids like
me who prefered blue collar work were forced into college-prep courses
we did not want.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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26 Jun 2005 04:24:56 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:486ub1lenck009bhmugng18hh9433eag1m@4ax.com:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot my spending 12 years in the
US Army immediately after high school was a waste.
Many people are not interested in college. There are people who want
to be mechanics and plumbers, or just don't have any ambition at all.
Why try to force everyone into the same college-bound mode? Back in
the early 80s, the California public schools were doing that. We all
had to take courses to meet the UC/Cal State requirements. This meant
that many of the industrial arts courses were cut. So the kids like
me who prefered blue collar work were forced into college-prep courses
we did not want.
And they are again. It sucks to see a good kid tormented by a heavy
academic program that means nothing to him. Teach him to rebuild a
transmission or build a house, and he'd be happy, productive, and
employed. Try to prepare him for a college he will not attend is stupid.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"Dogmatism is puppyism come to its full growth."
-- Douglas Jerrold 1803-1857
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 04:58:15 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot my spending 12 years in the
US Army immediately after high school was a waste.
Many people are not interested in college. There are people who want
to be mechanics and plumbers, or just don't have any ambition at all.
Why try to force everyone into the same college-bound mode? Back in
the early 80s, the California public schools were doing that. We all
had to take courses to meet the UC/Cal State requirements. This meant
that many of the industrial arts courses were cut. So the kids like
me who prefered blue collar work were forced into college-prep courses
we did not want.
Is high scool graduation necessary and sufficient for these?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 06:37:27 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:58:15 +0100, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> drained his beer, leaned back in
the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot my spending 12 years in the
US Army immediately after high school was a waste.
Many people are not interested in college. There are people who want
to be mechanics and plumbers, or just don't have any ambition at all.
Why try to force everyone into the same college-bound mode? Back in
the early 80s, the California public schools were doing that. We all
had to take courses to meet the UC/Cal State requirements. This meant
that many of the industrial arts courses were cut. So the kids like
me who prefered blue collar work were forced into college-prep courses
we did not want.
Is high scool graduation necessary and sufficient for these?
At my twenty year reuniuon I ran into a friend who spent his HS years
working on cars. Solid C average all through school, never even
thought about college.
He's now head mechanic for a Mercedes delarship. Pulls in 70K a year.
I needed a HS Diploma to get my Army enlistment bonus.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "A Ph.d" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 04:17:11 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Jun 2005 09:21:26 AM |
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119820631.253834.29340@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
Suuuurre.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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26 Jun 2005 04:26:32 PM |
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1119820631.253834.29340
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
Chris, you are stupid, and nobody cares what you think.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"There is joy in rationality, happiness in clarity of mind. Free thought
is thrilling and fulfilling--absolutely essential to mental health and
happiness."
-Dan Barker
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| User: "A Ph.d" |
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26 Jun 2005 05:35:41 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1119820631.253834.29340
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
Chris, you are stupid, and nobody cares what you think.
my fans on this forum do; www.army.ca
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Jun 2005 09:21:46 AM |
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1119820631.253834.29340
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
Chris, you are stupid, and nobody cares what you think.
my fans on this forum do; www.army.ca
Who gives a *****?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Jul 2005 03:55:37 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:21:46 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119825341.623072.253740@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1119820631.253834.29340
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
Chris, you are stupid, and nobody cares what you think.
my fans on this forum do; www.army.ca
Who gives a *****?
Chris isn't worth anyone shitting on.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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26 Jun 2005 05:59:08 PM |
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1119825341.623072.253740
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1119820631.253834.29340
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
Chris, you are stupid, and nobody cares what you think.
my fans on this forum do; www.army.ca
If it makes you happy to think that, then go post there.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
If Jesus were among us today, he’d *****-slap George Bush, Mel Gibson,
Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly for using Christ as political cannon-
fodder.
--Thurston Wells
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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26 Jun 2005 05:59:53 PM |
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1119825341.623072.253740
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1119820631.253834.29340
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:26:16 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing
Nice to know that, according to this idiot....
And the valedictorian, too.
Chris, you are stupid, and nobody cares what you think.
my fans on this forum do; www.army.ca
If it makes you happy to think that, then go post there.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
If Jesus were among us today, he’d *****-slap George Bush, Mel Gibson,
Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly for using Christ as political cannon-
fodder.
--Thurston Wells
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| User: "A Ph.d" |
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26 Jun 2005 10:42:01 AM |
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stoney wrote:
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
So what? The list can be used for inspiration. BTW, did you know that
Bill Gates was rumored to have aspbergers?
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material?
If they put their mind to it.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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26 Jun 2005 11:32:15 AM |
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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stoney wrote:
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
So what? The list can be used for inspiration. BTW, did you know that
Bill Gates was rumored to have aspbergers?
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material?
If they put their mind to it.
No.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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26 Jun 2005 02:57:27 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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stoney wrote:
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
So what? The list can be used for inspiration. BTW, did you know that
Bill Gates was rumored to have aspbergers?
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material?
If they put their mind to it.
No.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Bill Gates thoughts on High School:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/MediaCenter/Speeches/BillgSpeeches/BGSpeechNGA-050226.htm
"America's high schools are obsolete.
By obsolete, I don't just mean that our high schools are broken, flawed, and
under-funded - though a case could be made for every one of those points.
By obsolete, I mean that our high schools - even when they're working
exactly as designed - cannot teach our kids what they need to know today.
Training the workforce of tomorrow with the high schools of today is like
trying to teach kids about today's computers on a 50-year-old mainframe. It's
the wrong tool for the times. "
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| User: "tubeguy" |
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26 Jun 2005 06:02:58 PM |
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"Larry Heath" <lgheath@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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stoney wrote:
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
So what? The list can be used for inspiration. BTW, did you know that
Bill Gates was rumored to have aspbergers?
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material?
If they put their mind to it.
No.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Bill Gates thoughts on High School:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/MediaCenter/Speeches/BillgSpeeches/BGSpeechNGA-050226.htm
"America's high schools are obsolete.
By obsolete, I don't just mean that our high schools are broken, flawed,
and under-funded - though a case could be made for every one of those
points.
By obsolete, I mean that our high schools - even when they're working
exactly as designed - cannot teach our kids what they need to know today.
Training the workforce of tomorrow with the high schools of today is like
trying to teach kids about today's computers on a 50-year-old mainframe.
It's the wrong tool for the times. "
I always said "school sucks". I guess I was right.
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Jul 2005 03:46:59 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:57:27 -0400, "Larry Heath"
<lgheath@comcast.net> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119800521.104432.178180@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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stoney wrote:
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
So what? The list can be used for inspiration. BTW, did you know that
Bill Gates was rumored to have aspbergers?
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material?
If they put their mind to it.
No.
Bill Gates thoughts on High School:
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/MediaCenter/Speeches/BillgSpeeches/BGSpeechNGA-050226.htm
"America's high schools are obsolete.
By obsolete, I don't just mean that our high schools are broken, flawed, and
under-funded - though a case could be made for every one of those points.
By obsolete, I mean that our high schools - even when they're working
exactly as designed - cannot teach our kids what they need to know today.
Training the workforce of tomorrow with the high schools of today is like
trying to teach kids about today's computers on a 50-year-old mainframe. It's
the wrong tool for the times. "
IMO, this statement is a key one:
"When I visited High Tech High in San Diego a few years ago, one young
student told me that High Tech High was the first school he’d ever
gone to where being smart was cool..."
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 04:57:15 PM |
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A Ph.d wrote:
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stoney wrote:
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
So what? The list can be used for inspiration. BTW, did you know that
Bill Gates was rumored to have aspbergers?
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material?
If they put their mind to it.
and if they don't?
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| User: "A Ph.d" |
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26 Jun 2005 05:34:12 PM |
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Ash wrote:
A Ph.d wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
stoney wrote:
And don't bother me with a nonsensical recitation of all the people
who excelled in life without a college degree. That list inevitably
starts with Bill Gates, the Microsoft founder and America's richest
dropout.
So what? The list can be used for inspiration. BTW, did you know that
Bill Gates was rumored to have aspbergers?
Take an honest look at that kid of yours who isn't interested in
college. Is he or she really Bill Gates material?
If they put their mind to it.
and if they don't?
Then, they won't be.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 06:35:31 PM |
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On 26 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0700, "A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
and if they don't?
Then, they won't be.
And they take up space in class, get bored, and drag everyone else
down. In my mother's day (my father went to school in England, so it
was quite different) there were technical high schools - we'd call
them magnet schools today - where students who weren't college bound
could be taught a solid trade along side a basic high school
education.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Enkidu the Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 06:44:33 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
news:iseub11ns2v9i22t2o8jrjickvvj3s7i2o@4ax.com:
On 26 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0700, "A Ph.d" <chrisa1981@hotmail.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
and if they don't?
Then, they won't be.
And they take up space in class, get bored, and drag everyone else
down. In my mother's day (my father went to school in England, so it
was quite different) there were technical high schools - we'd call
them magnet schools today - where students who weren't college bound
could be taught a solid trade along side a basic high school
education.
And people like me pay people like them $164 for 45 minutes work. Hell,
I didn't have the tools, didn't know how to make the repair. I paid the
plumber with no complaints. It sucks that we don't provide the variety
of educational opportunities to match the variety of employment
opportunities.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
What men usually ask for when they pray to God is that two and two may
not make four.
-- Russian proverb
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
26 Jun 2005 09:16:40 PM |
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On 26 Jun 2005 23:44:33 GMT, Enkidu the Atheist
<Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
And people like me pay people like them $164 for 45 minutes work. Hell,
I didn't have the tools, didn't know how to make the repair. I paid the
plumber with no complaints. It sucks that we don't provide the variety
of educational opportunities to match the variety of employment
opportunities.
After I got oiut of the Army I did what was expected of me and went to
school, got my BS in Geology, and was utterly miserable.
Nowadys I'm a courier. I spend my days driving, and I love every
minute of it.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Stop the party: High school graduation means nothing |
02 Jul 2005 03:54:46 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:16:40 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On 26 Jun 2005 23:44:33 GMT, Enkidu the Atheist
<Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
And people like me pay people like them $164 for 45 minutes work. Hell,
I didn't have the tools, didn't know how to make the repair. I paid the
plumber with no complaints. It sucks that we don't provide the variety
of educational opportunities to match the variety of employment
opportunities.
After I got oiut of the Army I did what was expected of me and went to
school, got my BS in Geology, and was utterly miserable.
Nowadys I'm a courier. I spend my days driving, and I love every
minute of it.
Curiosity arises. I assume you had a hefty interest in Geology. So,
if I may ask, why the not only misery but utterly miserable?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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