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"Fester" |
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16 Sep 2004 05:44:42 AM |
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OT: Unfit for Command STILL #1 on NYT |
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the book is
discredited and all the Swifties are liars. They may think that they've
"countered" the allegations made by the Vets, but clearly America doesn't.
Why in the world would people continue to plonk down their hard-earned $$$
to buy a book that they think has been discredited?
P.S. My copy has arrived from Amazon!
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"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgement; and
he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion"
Edmund Burke
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| User: "Dale" |
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16 Sep 2004 10:26:39 AM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the book
is
discredited and all the Swifties are liars. They may think that they've
"countered" the allegations made by the Vets, but clearly America doesn't.
Why in the world would people continue to plonk down their hard-earned $$$
to buy a book that they think has been discredited?
Because they're Republicans? Have the authors made as much as Michael Moore
made on F911 yet?
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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16 Sep 2004 04:58:24 PM |
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Fester wrote:
And we still have the most unfit to command in command
at least until November.
The manwho lied us into a war we are losing
thanks to his lack of leadership.
<FONT FACE="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" SIZE="3">Most senior US military
officers now believe the war on Iraq has turned into a disaster on an
unprecedented scale</FONT>
<B>Sidney Blumenthal <BR>Thursday September 16, 2004<BR><A
HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk">The Guardian</A></B>
<FONT FACE="Geneva,Arial,sans-serif" SIZE="2">'Bring them on!"
President Bush challenged the early Iraqi insurgency in July of last year.
Since then, 812 American soldiers have been killed and 6,290 wounded,
according to the Pentagon. Almost every day, in campaign speeches, Bush
speaks with bravado about how he is "winning" in Iraq. "Our strategy is
succeeding," he boasted to the National Guard convention on Tuesday.
<P>But, according to the US military's leading strategists and prominent
retired generals, Bush's war is already lost. Retired general William Odom,
former head of the National Security Agency, told me: "Bush hasn't found
the WMD. Al-Qaida, it's worse, he's lost on that front. That he's going to
achieve a democracy there? That goal is lost, too. It's lost." He adds:
"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends."
<P>Retired general Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of
US Central Command, told me: "The idea that this is going to go the way
these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're
conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense
of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows
that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong." <P>Jeffrey
Record, professor of strategy at the Air War College, said: "I see no ray
of light on the horizon at all. The worst case has become true. There's no
analogy whatsoever between the situation in Iraq and the advantages we had
after the second world war in Germany and Japan." <div
id="OvertureDivHolder"><div id="OvertureDiv"></div></div><P>W Andrew
Terrill, professor at the Army War College's strategic studies institute -
and the top expert on Iraq there - said: "I don't think that you can kill
the insurgency". According to Terrill, the anti-US insurgency, centred in
the Sunni triangle, and holding several cities and towns - including
Fallujah - is expanding and becoming more capable as a consequence of US
policy. <P>"We have a growing, maturing insurgency group," he told me. "We
see larger and more coordinated military attacks. They are getting better
and they can self-regenerate. The idea there are x number of insurgents,
and that when they're all dead we can get out is wrong. The insurgency has
shown an ability to regenerate itself because there are people willing to
fill the ranks of those who are killed. The political culture is more
hostile to the US presence. The longer we stay, the more they are confirmed
in that view." <P>After the killing of four US contractors in Fallujah,
the marines besieged the city for three weeks in April - the watershed
event for the insurgency. "I think the president ordered the attack on
Fallujah," said General Hoare. "I asked a three-star marine general who
gave the order to go to Fallujah and he wouldn't tell me. I came to the
conclusion that the order came directly from the White House." Then, just
as suddenly, the order was rescinded, and Islamist radicals gained control,
using the city as a base. <P>"If you are a Muslim and the community is
under occupation by a non-Islamic power it becomes a religious requirement
to resist that occupation," Terrill explained. "Most Iraqis consider us
occupiers, not liberators." He describes the religious imagery common now
in Fallujah and the Sunni triangle: "There's talk of angels and the Prophet
Mohammed coming down from heaven to lead the fighting, talk of martyrs
whose bodies are glowing and emanating wonderful scents." <P>"I see no
exit," said Record. "We've been down that road before. It's called
Vietnamisation. The idea that we're going to have an Iraqi force trained to
defeat an enemy we can't defeat stretches the imagination. They will be
tainted by their very association with the foreign occupier. In fact, we
had more time and money in state building in Vietnam than in Iraq."
<P>General Odom said: "This is far graver than Vietnam. There wasn't as
much at stake strategically, though in both cases we mindlessly went ahead
with the war that was not constructive for US aims. But now we're in a
region far more volatile, and we're in much worse shape with our allies."
<P>Terrill believes that any sustained US military offensive against the
no-go areas "could become so controversial that members of the Iraqi
government would feel compelled to resign". Thus, an attempted military
solution would destroy the slightest remaining political legitimacy. "If we
leave and there's no civil war, that's a victory." <P>General Hoare
believes from the information he has received that "a decision has been
made" to attack Fallujah "after the first Tuesday in November. That's the
cynical part of it - after the election. The signs are all there." <P>He
compares any such planned attack to the late Syrian dictator Hafez
al-Asad's razing of the rebel city of Hama. "You could flatten it," said
Hoare. "US military forces would prevail, casualties would be high, there
would be inconclusive results with respect to the bad guys, their
leadership would escape, and civilians would be caught in the middle. I
hate that phrase collateral damage. And they talked about dancing in the
street, a beacon for democracy." <P>General Odom remarked that the tension
between the Bush administration and the senior military officers over Iraqi
was worse than any he has ever seen with any previous government, including
Vietnam. "I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of
defence and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is
a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been
the Iranians and al-Qaida. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our
going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They
defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic." <P><b>·</b>
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
16 Sep 2004 08:03:51 AM |
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In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the book is
discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people. Even right-wing journalists have
conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying sacks of
***** and all military documentation continues to corroborate Kerry's
version of events.
They may think that they've
"countered" the allegations made by the Vets, but clearly America doesn't.
I seem to recall that Ann Coulter also made the bestseller lists when
rightwing patronage organizations placed bulk orders for her books. I
would not be surprised if rightwing organizations are not doing a
similar thing to try to inflate sales numbers with this book. There's
certainly no question that rightard pseudo-news outlets like FUX and
Drugbo radio give the book as much free advertising as possible, also
inflating potential sales beyond what it could probably do on its
merits. But there have been plenty of liberal books at the top the
bestseller list too, and they didn't even have to cheat to do it. Kitty
Kelley's book is #1 on Amazon right now. I guess that means Kitty
Kelley is telling the truth, eh?
Why in the world would people continue to plonk down their hard-earned $$$
to buy a book that they think has been discredited?
P.S. My copy has arrived from Amazon!
Make sure to get Kitty Kelley's book there. It's #1 on their list. For
that matter Bill and Hillary Clinton also produced #1 bestsellers. I
guess that means America believes them too.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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16 Sep 2004 09:25:12 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the
book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of ***** from
the Kerry campaign.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the Kerry
campaign.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim. And now
documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his Silver
Star citation.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Fester" |
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16 Sep 2004 06:03:17 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95666A002F68Cfstone69@207.69.189.191...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the
book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of ***** from
the Kerry campaign.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the Kerry
campaign.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim. And now
documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his Silver
Star citation.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
Last I saw from a piggybacked post, q-ball still thinks the Blather docs are
for real.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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16 Sep 2004 07:06:11 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in
news:VYo2d.9895$n%3.697432@twister.southeast.rr.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95666A002F68Cfstone69@207.69.189.191...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how
the book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited
one charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of *****
from the Kerry campaign.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the
Kerry campaign.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim. And
now documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his
Silver Star citation.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
Last I saw from a piggybacked post, q-ball still thinks the Blather
docs are for real.
There are still a few die-hards out there. Whether they actually believe
it or are just using the issue to keep Bush's Guard Record an "open
issue" is another question.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
16 Sep 2004 10:17:33 PM |
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In article <Xns95666A002F68Cfstone69@207.69.189.191>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the
book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of ***** from
the Kerry campaign.
Your idiotic position is that all of these papers couldn't possibly care
about the evidence, but are just biased toward Kerry. Yet these same
newspapers have given Bush a virtual pass on his own record, not to
mention Bush's dismal failure in Iraq, prison torture scandals, his
hundred billion $ lies about the cost of prescription drug benefits,
etc. So all of these papers who pretty much rubberstamp what Bush says
most of the time and crucify Kerry for the slightest trivia just decided
to help Kerry out here. Get real.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the Kerry
campaign.
Not nearly as many as in Bush's own record.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim.
As usual, your statements are inaccurate, but amazingly, you only claim
to believe Kerry when you think that he says something you want to hear.
What nobody disputes that Kerry was stationed within about 50 miles of
the Cambodian border and frankly, nobody gives a ***** whether he was
patrolling a few miles on one side of the border or the other. The
idiotic smearboat claims that it was impossible for anyone to get
through the five mile wide river channel along the border are not only
transparently false, but suggest that nobody in the entire war,
including special forces, could have been inserted into Cambodia by
boat. That asinine smearboat claim has also been debunked.
And now
documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his Silver
Star citation.
That's why you fail to provide evidence as per usual.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
Not only did the overwhelming majority of these smearboaters not serve
with Kerry or even know him personally during his tours, but they have
even less first-hand knowledge about Kerry's personal activities in the
anti-war movement.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
No Fred, your failure to pay attention does not constitute a diversion
on my part.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
17 Sep 2004 07:39:54 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:17:33 -0600, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns95666A002F68Cfstone69@207.69.189.191>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the
book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of ***** from
the Kerry campaign.
Your idiotic position is that all of these papers couldn't possibly care
about the evidence, but are just biased toward Kerry. Yet these same
newspapers have given Bush a virtual pass on his own record, not to
mention Bush's dismal failure in Iraq, prison torture scandals, his
hundred billion $ lies about the cost of prescription drug benefits,
etc. So all of these papers who pretty much rubberstamp what Bush says
most of the time and crucify Kerry for the slightest trivia just decided
to help Kerry out here. Get real.
It's a revealing projection of what the populat right wing "media" do.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
17 Sep 2004 09:06:26 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb405391263593c98997c@news.individual.net:
In article <Xns95666A002F68Cfstone69@207.69.189.191>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how
the book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited
one charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of *****
from the Kerry campaign.
Your idiotic position is that all of these papers couldn't possibly
care about the evidence, but are just biased toward Kerry. Yet these
same newspapers have given Bush a virtual pass on his own record, not
to mention Bush's dismal failure in Iraq, prison torture scandals, his
hundred billion $ lies about the cost of prescription drug benefits,
etc. So all of these papers who pretty much rubberstamp what Bush
says most of the time and crucify Kerry for the slightest trivia just
decided to help Kerry out here. Get real.
This isn't about Bush, this is about a fraud perpetrated on behalf of
Kerry. Get real yourself.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the
Kerry campaign.
Not nearly as many as in Bush's own record.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim.
As usual, your statements are inaccurate, but amazingly, you only
claim to believe Kerry when you think that he says something you want
to hear. What nobody disputes that Kerry was stationed within about
50 miles of the Cambodian border and frankly, nobody gives a *****
whether he was patrolling a few miles on one side of the border or the
other.
Ah, nobody cares that he lied about it. I see.
The idiotic smearboat claims that it was impossible for anyone
to get through the five mile wide river channel along the border are
not only transparently false, but suggest that nobody in the entire
war, including special forces, could have been inserted into Cambodia
by boat. That asinine smearboat claim has also been debunked.
That never was their claim anyway. Kerry already admitted that he lied
about Cambodia 1968.
And now
documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his Silver
Star citation.
That's why you fail to provide evidence as per usual.
I don't need to provide evidence, the question has been raised and Kerry
has to address it. CBS standard of evidence, until incontrovertible
evidence is provided to the contrary, my claim stands.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
Not only did the overwhelming majority of these smearboaters not serve
with Kerry or even know him personally during his tours, but they have
even less first-hand knowledge about Kerry's personal activities in
the anti-war movement.
Then several key pieces of testimony on Kerry's behalf must also be
discarded.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
No Fred, your failure to pay attention does not constitute a diversion
on my part.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
16 Sep 2004 12:45:11 PM |
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On Thu 16 Sep 2004 09:25:12a, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the
book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of ***** from
the Kerry campaign.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the Kerry
campaign.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim. And now
documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his Silver
Star citation.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
Ah yes, the man who "passed me a flak jacket" and feigned camaraderie when
I objected to the mudslinging going on...
Bit of an hypocrisy problem there, huh, Fred?
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
16 Sep 2004 12:49:51 PM |
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Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in
news:Xns95668372BB67FMekkala@199.45.49.11:
On Thu 16 Sep 2004 09:25:12a, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up,
lit up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting
out:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the
book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of *****
from the Kerry campaign.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the
Kerry campaign.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim. And
now documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his
Silver Star citation.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
Ah yes, the man who "passed me a flak jacket" and feigned camaraderie
when I objected to the mudslinging going on...
Bit of an hypocrisy problem there, huh, Fred?
Ah, yes, the man who got all ***** when I tried to josh him about
getting flamed for his opinion. Tell me all about hypocrisy, Mekkala?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "turk" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
16 Sep 2004 01:27:51 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95668CB35EBDFfstone69@207.69.189.194...
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in
news:Xns95668372BB67FMekkala@199.45.49.11:
On Thu 16 Sep 2004 09:25:12a, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up,
lit up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting
out:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1bb33d1122b3226e98997a@news.individual.net:
In article <u8e2d.1518$zA3.390309@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
not@home.com says...
We keep hearing the talking heads from donkeydom telling us how the
book is discredited and all the Swifties are liars.
Pretty much every major newspaper in the country has discredited one
charge after another by these people.
Pretty much every major newspaper has printed biased pieces of *****
from the Kerry campaign.
Even right-wing journalists
have conceded major inconsistencies in the stories of these lying
sacks of *****
Yes, there have been major inconsistencies in the stories of the
Kerry campaign.
and all military documentation continues to corroborate
Kerry's version of events.
Except for the events that Kerry has been forced to concede to the
SBV's, like the first purple heart and the Cambodia 1968 claim. And
now documents have surfaced that contradict Kerry's account of his
Silver Star citation.
And the military documentation does nothing to controvrt the SBV's on
Kerry's VVAW and Paris activities.
<snip the attempts at diversionary tactics>
Ah yes, the man who "passed me a flak jacket" and feigned camaraderie
when I objected to the mudslinging going on...
Bit of an hypocrisy problem there, huh, Fred?
Ah, yes, the man who got all ***** when I tried to josh him about
getting flamed for his opinion. Tell me all about hypocrisy, Mekkala?
Why aren't you in Afghanistan or Iraq fighting this "war on terror" thing
again?
turk
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
16 Sep 2004 02:30:22 PM |
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On Thu 16 Sep 2004 12:49:51p, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
Ah, yes, the man who got all ***** when I tried to josh him about
getting flamed for his opinion. Tell me all about hypocrisy, Mekkala?
Certainly. For starters, go hunt down a dictionary and find out what the
word "hypocrisy" means.
(Hint: It's doesn't mean "being mean")
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
16 Sep 2004 02:51:59 PM |
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Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in
news:Xns956694C7F3F9BMekkala@199.45.49.11:
On Thu 16 Sep 2004 12:49:51p, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up,
lit up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting
out:
Ah, yes, the man who got all ***** when I tried to josh him
about getting flamed for his opinion. Tell me all about hypocrisy,
Mekkala?
Certainly. For starters, go hunt down a dictionary and find out what
the word "hypocrisy" means.
(Hint: It's doesn't mean "being mean")
Hint back atcha: It doesn't mean "partisan" either.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
20 Sep 2004 10:21:45 AM |
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On Thu 16 Sep 2004 02:51:59p, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
Hint back atcha: It doesn't mean "partisan" either.
No, no, you're right. It doesn't.
What it means, in fact, Fred my buddy-boy, is (for example) being partisan
after pretending to commiserate with those who deplore that kind of
behavior. You see, *that* is hypocrisy, because such a person is
practicing the opposite of what he pretends to preach.
Now, we don't know anyone like that, do we? Oh, wait, yes we do! His name
is Fred.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
20 Sep 2004 10:28:41 AM |
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Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in
news:Xns956A6AC3A942CMekkala@199.45.49.11:
On Thu 16 Sep 2004 02:51:59p, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up,
lit up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting
out:
Hint back atcha: It doesn't mean "partisan" either.
No, no, you're right. It doesn't.
What it means, in fact, Fred my buddy-boy, is (for example) being
partisan after pretending to commiserate with those who deplore that
kind of behavior. You see, *that* is hypocrisy, because such a person
is practicing the opposite of what he pretends to preach.
I told you back then that you had misread my intentions. You're still
doing it. I was joshing you about being sensitive about getting flamed
for being critical of some of the regulars.
Now, we don't know anyone like that, do we? Oh, wait, yes we do! His
name is Fred.
Fine. Have it your way. Deal with it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Kitty Kelley STILL #1 on Amazon. Rightwing bulk order tricks not working |
20 Sep 2004 12:43:57 PM |
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On Mon 20 Sep 2004 10:28:41a, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in
news:Xns956A6AC3A942CMekkala@199.45.49.11:
On Thu 16 Sep 2004 02:51:59p, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up,
lit up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting
out:
Hint back atcha: It doesn't mean "partisan" either.
No, no, you're right. It doesn't.
What it means, in fact, Fred my buddy-boy, is (for example) being
partisan after pretending to commiserate with those who deplore that
kind of behavior. You see, *that* is hypocrisy, because such a person
is practicing the opposite of what he pretends to preach.
I told you back then that you had misread my intentions. You're still
doing it. I was joshing you about being sensitive about getting flamed
for being critical of some of the regulars.
I'm sure.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Unfit for Command STILL #1 on NYT |
16 Sep 2004 07:16:09 AM |
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Well, Fester, as we both know, the number of copies a book sells has
no bearing on the truth or value of its contents. After all, the Bible
is the best selling book of all time. <G>
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: OT: Unfit for Command STILL #1 on NYT |
16 Sep 2004 06:00:47 PM |
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"John Baker" <jbaker1@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:f11jk0liuab2ce1e2ododrfs1bo02rom0n@4ax.com...
Well, Fester, as we both know, the number of copies a book sells has
no bearing on the truth or value of its contents. After all, the Bible
is the best selling book of all time. <G>
Yes, we do know that. I should hope that we both have sense enough to
realize that people vote based upon what they think is true. That is why,
for example, so many pols run at least in part on their support of the
bible.
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